How to "pulse" orals

[xtraflossy]

If someone is pulsing MWF, on what day should they begin post cycle therapy? It would seem to me that continuing the on cycle support supps through Sat. and Sun. following the last day of dosing, and then starting up PCT on Mon. would make sense, but I am not sure. Or should PCT be ramped up through the weekend?

Example: Last day of dosing is Friday. Taking Restore on off days, so continue Restore on Sat. and Sun. Begin PCT with 6-oxo & DHEA on Monday with a ramp up of the 6-oxo over 2-3 weeks of PCT.

Is this the best way to do it, or is the method dependent upon the substances being used?

Thanks to all for the input.

It seems to me that this has been beatn' to death in this thread. Try to DAFS in here first.
You should be fine with Restore... and theorticly, no/minimum PCT is used.. AT THE END.:lol:

 

[JPM]

If someone is pulsing MWF, on what day should they begin post cycle therapy? It would seem to me that continuing the on cycle support supps through Sat. and Sun. following the last day of dosing, and then starting up PCT on Mon. would make sense, but I am not sure. Or should PCT be ramped up through the weekend?

Example: Last day of dosing is Friday. Taking Restore on off days, so continue Restore on Sat. and Sun. Begin PCT with 6-oxo & DHEA on Monday with a ramp up of the 6-oxo over 2-3 weeks of PCT.

Is this the best way to do it, or is the method dependent upon the substances being used?

Thanks to all for the input.

Good question, I'd like to know as well !

 

[xtraflossy]

Good question, I'd like to know as well !

REALLY?

I wasnty being sarcastic here.
YOU DO PCT AT THE END... it doesn't matter what day you end it on... Monday, Wednesday, OR Friday.
Your taking your support sups on the off days..
So , you also take them the next day after your last pulse day like you have been doing the 6-8 weeks before.

All this has already been discussed in the first few pages of this thread

 

[xtraflossy]

Example: Last day of dosing is Friday. Taking Restore on off days, so continue Restore on Sat. and Sun. Begin post cycle therapy with 6-oxo & DHEA on Monday with a ramp up of the 6-oxo over 2-3 weeks of PCT.

Start your 6 oxo and DHEA (although you shouldn't really need DHEA, the fact that it IS an exogenous hormone aside) Sat along with your Restore.

 

[EctoPower]

Example: Last day of dosing is Friday. Taking Restore on off days, so continue Restore on Sat. and Sun. Begin post cycle therapy with 6-oxo & DHEA on Monday with a ramp up of the 6-oxo over 2-3 weeks of post cycle therapy.

Start your 6 oxo and DHEA (although you shouldn't really need DHEA, the fact that it IS an exogenous hormone aside) Sat along with your Restore.

Sorry if I missed this topic earlier in the thread. I read a great deal of it awhile back and have not been back into it since. I'll rehash it.

That said, why start the 6-oxo on Sat. and take the Restore for 2 more days as well? Would I not be double dipping on the estrogen control?

Anyway, thanks for the feedback.

 

[xtraflossy]

Sorry if I missed this topic earlier in the thread. I read a great deal of it awhile back and have not been back into it since. I'll rehash it.

That said, why start the 6-oxo on Sat. and take the Restore for 2 more days as well? Would I not be double dipping on the estrogen control?

Anyway, thanks for the feedback.

Personally, I dont feel you would need the 6-0x0.
But I am also assuming your bottle of Restore is opened since you have been takign it on OFF days... so Im just saying, your PCT doesnt have to be AS strong had you been ON cycle. So...
Takign a week with the Restore (if thats what you had left) and the 6-oxo shouldnt be a problem.
Takign the two together doesnt present any problems other then any libido issued you may get from ATD.

Double dipping, is kind arelitive anyways. Say who? There are perfectly acceptable PCT products and AI's out there that use more estro control then the two conbined.
It would be like a slightly less effective NHA stack.

You could probably just use the Restore,... but Im guessing you spent a pretty penny on the 6-oxo

 

[Dienekes]

Dr. D,
Really appreciate all the great info you are putting out.
I have a box of Sustevol (mix of Halodrol, Superdrol and PheraPlex) lying around that I really am hesitant to use in a straight cycle, due to the high hepa -toxicity of three stacked methyls. Would this be manageable used in a pulsed cycle? If so how would you implement it? (It breaks down to 43mg per capsule). Also, any thoughts on Novedex XT on off days?

Thanks in advance.......

 

[DR.D]

If one were to take a longer acting serm (clomid,nolvadex) once every 4-days what should dosing look like?

I've never tried it so not sure. I'd say maybe 100mg Clom, 40mg Tam or 90mg Tor per dose as a starting point, you will reach steady state in 16-20 days for all practical purposes.

 

[DR.D]

Dr. D,
Really appreciate all the great info you are putting out.
I have a box of Sustevol (mix of Halodrol, Superdrol and PheraPlex) lying around that I really am hesitant to use in a straight cycle, due to the high hepa -toxicity of three stacked methyls. Would this be manageable used in a pulsed cycle? If so how would you implement it? (It breaks down to 43mg per capsule). Also, any thoughts on Novedex XT on off days?

Thanks in advance.......

I have never used either product, so I am not sure, but it would be a legitimate candidate for pulsing due to it's potentially high toxicity which could be greatly minimized. Start with 1 dose and go to 2 if it feels ok or you don't respond to one. NXT on off days would probably not be a bad idea, but again I don't know what it is, I assume a test booster.

 

[rpen22]

NXT on off days would probably not be a bad idea, but again I don't know what it is, I assume a test booster.

Hey D, Novedex XT is ATD, 3-OHAT, and 3,5,7-trihydroxy-4-methoxyflavone. I'm not sure what that last ingredient really is, however.

 

[devil]

I've never tried it so not sure. I'd say maybe 100mg Clom, 40mg Tam or 90mg Tor per dose as a starting point, you will reach steady state in 16-20 days for all practical purposes.

Would there really be any advantage of going this route over just going with a more traditional PCT at the end of the pulse cycle. I know that the pulse limits shutdown but I really don't feel like taking any chances.

 

[RUNNER 67]

maybe i missed this but is it worthwhile pulsing two non methyls like Bold/Tren (the 19 nor tren). Or are they too slow acting to be a safe pulse.

 

[xtraflossy]

maybe i missed this but is it worthwhile pulsing two non methyls like Bold/Tren (the 19 nor tren). Or are they too slow acting to be a safe pulse.

Timing becomes more of an importance with a non methyl.

Plus, although I personally like to throw in 30mg 19-nor-tren, as ya call it, becasue I really feel it when I use it just once a week, It doesn't have the greatest mass building record.

Personally, I try and stay away from progestins if pulsing, becasue Im afraid that at some point, my magic stick wont work, despite the rebound effect. But this is just one of my fears, and I can not attest to pulsing it with any regularity.

I think there can be a HUGE advantage in non methyl pulsing..
as dosing can be done higher... Faster clear time, even less shutdown (potentially)...
the argument bight become "How much muscle can you build in ~4 hours anyways...
Of course, yo ucan take the 2 doses of compound(s) and have it in your system for an eaqule amount of time as a methyl,..

I would suggest dosing 1 time, slightly higher then 1 daily dose total for 1 compound, or some combination of dose for 2 (depending on the steroid used)
This COULD be run for longer periods of time I suppose, but don't take my word on that.

Short answer. YES, yo ucan pulse those two compounds together and get an effect.

It also depends on your goal

 

[TravisCoSheriff]

Alright Doc, Im 4 weeks in to SD/ErgoMax pluse EOD. 20mg of each. It going really well im having nice gains in the mirror and lift dept. But my testes are starting to shrink and libido is wayyyy down. So I guess my test is suppressed and not bouncing back like it should on "off" days? Anything I should do or just continue for my 8 weeks?

 

[DR.D]

Hey D, Novedex XT is ATD, 3-OHAT, and 3,5,7-trihydroxy-4-methoxyflavone. I'm not sure what that last ingredient really is, however.

It's a flavone, diosmin. Never seen it applied before, traditionally most use chrysin in that capacity. NXT's ingredient profile looks like it should probably do the job though, to some degree at least. Thanks for the info rpen22!

 

[DR.D]

Would there really be any advantage of going this route over just going with a more traditional post cycle therapy at the end of the pulse cycle. I know that the pulse limits shutdown but I really don't feel like taking any chances.

I would honestly use an AI though out the whole pulse if I was that concerned about it, and only consider a SERM if using something that was inherently estrogenic, even without aromatization. Otherwise, just wait and do a regular PCT after the pulse.

 

[DR.D]

Alright Doc, Im 4 weeks in to superdrol/ErgoMax pluse EOD. 20mg of each. It going really well im having nice gains in the mirror and lift dept. But my testes are starting to shrink and libido is wayyyy down. So I guess my test is suppressed and not bouncing back like it should on "off" days? Anything I should do or just continue for my 8 weeks?

I bet it's the ergo, it may be tricky to pulse and still bounce well. First thing I'd do is add a test booster every night just to halt the shutdown process and get my libido back, but at this point, I would probably finish out the cycle and just do a mild but proper pct once done. If results are good, you know it's working, but in the future you know you'll have to change something up for next time. Maybe getting 2 consecutive off days a week, or using an AI on off nights or even nightly. It just takes some experimenting. I'm glad to see you're achieving satisfactory gains at least.

 

[neoborn]

Alright Doc, Im 4 weeks in to superdrol/ErgoMax pluse EOD. 20mg of each. It going really well im having nice gains in the mirror and lift dept. But my testes are starting to shrink and libido is wayyyy down. So I guess my test is suppressed and not bouncing back like it should on "off" days? Anything I should do or just continue for my 8 weeks?

Are you taking anything on your off days? I think the suggestion was some kind of test booster...aka JW or HDX2

 

[TravisCoSheriff]

Are you taking anything on your off days? I think the suggestion was some kind of test booster...aka JW or HDX2

Im going to start I just really started noticing the sides. But happy with the results so far! :thumbsup:

 

[EasyEJL]

Example of a 3x/wk pulse M,W,F:

Week/Dose(mg)
1 (10,20,30)
2 30
3 30-40
4 30-40
5 30-50
6 30-50
7 30-60
8 30-60

Would it likely help or hurt taking a week off in the middle ? something like

Week/Dose(mg)
1 (10,20,30)
2 30
3 30-40
4 40
5 0
6 40
7 40
8 40
9 40
? And in that one week break still using products like powerFull, AP, and one of the tribulus test boosters? this would be with epistane/epidrol/havoc

 

[Riquee]

D:head: rules...

What are your thoughts about liv.52 ak liver care instead of milk thistle during the pusilng/cycles? and what dosing would be best do you think?

There is also a Double Strenght version

Each Liv.52 tablet contains:

Pdrs.
Himsra (Capparis spinosa) 65mg
Kasani (Cichorium intybus) 65mg
Mandur bhasma 33mg
Kakamachi (Solanum nigrum) 32mg
Arjuna (Terminalia arjuna) 32mg
Kasamarda (Cassia occidentalis) 16mg
Biranjasipha (Achillea millefolium) 16mg
Jhavuka (Tamarix gallica) 16mg


Each Liv.52 DS tablet contains:

Pdrs.
Himsra (Capparis spinosa) 130mg
Kasani (Cichorium intybus) 130mg
Mandur bhasma 66mg
Kakamachi (Solanum nigrum) 64mg
Arjuna (Terminalia arjuna) 64mg
Kasamarda (Cassia occidentalis) 32mg
Biranjasipha (Achillea millefolium) 32mg
Jhavuka (Tamarix gallica) 32mg

 

[xtraflossy]

Would it likely help or hurt taking a week off in the middle ? something like

Week/Dose(mg)
1 (10,20,30)
2 30
3 30-40
4 40
5 0
6 40
7 40
8 40
9 40
? And in that one week break still using products like powerFull, AP, and one of the tribulus test boosters? this would be with epistane/epidrol/havoc

I can only help. Since there are no accumlative effects really durring a pulse like there are when you cycle... so taking a week off would only help with further minamizing supression.

 

[EasyEJL]

I can only help. Since there are no accumlative effects really durring a pulse like there are when you cycle... so taking a week off would only help with further minamizing supression.

thats what I was thinking as well. I'm also pondering 11-oxo with it, at light dose (150mg) 2 x ed just for the cortisol properties for a nice overall cut cycle. so i would end up with 1 bottles of epistane + 2 of 11-oxo done that way for the 9 weeks. The price of the 11oxo is the downer, but its fat/cortisol control properties at that dose are pretty astounding.

 

[adil]

I'm going to be start my first cycle in a week. I intend to pulse epistane for 6 weeks

My question is: Is it better running an AI (like ATD) on off days, or as 'PCT'?

 

[xtraflossy]

thats what I was thinking as well. I'm also pondering 11-oxo with it, at light dose (150mg) 2 x ed just for the cortisol properties for a nice overall cut cycle. so i would end up with 1 bottles of epistane + 2 of 11-oxo done that way for the 9 weeks. The price of the 11oxo is the downer, but its fat/cortisol control properties at that dose are pretty astounding.

Get some retain strictly for cortisol, it works and its like $25.

I do not see any advantage to running 11-oxo (at the price) for only cortisol protection.
Now, if you ran it at anabolic doses, you'd probably get something nice out of it..

 

[Bomber]

Dr D.,

I have been lurking for a while hear, and I just got a bottle of Epi and 6-oxo. Can you give me a quick comment on this workout/supplement plan?

I looked around quite a bit on this board and others, but I could not find a w/o like mine, so I had to ask here (and hope I don't get flamed!!!)

Thanks in advance to all of you smart guys out there that help guys like me.

I want to workout every third day, ie: M Th Su We Sa, etc, for the entire cycle.

Should I still just dose on lift days, say building up to 40 mg?

Should I wait to take the 6 oxo after the cycle?

I appreciate everyone's comments!

 

[Bomber]

Xtraflossy? Anyone?

1 minute for input?

 

[DR.D]

... What are your thoughts about liv.52 ak liver care instead of milk thistle during the pusilng/cycles? ...

I've never actually tried it, but I hear good stuff from users, so I'd say it would likely be fine to sub for MT. I do use arjuna (my own custom cholesterol blend) and love it! I take it daily, just for the anti-ischemic and cardioprotective effects. It's perfect for guys like us.

 

[DR.D]

thats what I was thinking as well. I'm also pondering 11-oxo with it, at light dose (150mg) 2 x ed just for the cortisol properties for a nice overall cut cycle. so i would end up with 1 bottles of epistane + 2 of 11-oxo done that way for the 9 weeks. The price of the 11oxo is the downer, but its fat/cortisol control properties at that dose are pretty astounding.

I agree with flossy, the wk in the middle is good if shutdown has just started and you wanna nip it in the bud, or as extra insurance to make sure it doesn't happen.

I also agree the 11-oxo will accelerate fat loss stacked with epi (3AD does stacked with Epi ) but for the cost taking a half dose (like 75mg twice daily) with 2-3 caps Retain is more cost effective and more well rounded anyway for greater synergism.

 

[DR.D]

I'm going to be start my first cycle in a week. I intend to pulse epistane for 6 weeks

My question is: Is it better running an AI (like ATD) on off days, or as 'post cycle therapy'?

It's better to prevent suppression as much as possible in the first place. 25mg ATD at night is generally an effective preventative strategy in my experience, but more than 25mg can hurt libido. If you are libido sensitive, trib/fen or HD2X or some other test booster with a rep for maintaining libido is best used at least on off nights.

 

[DR.D]

Dr D.,

I have been lurking for a while hear, and I just got a bottle of Epi and 6-oxo. Can you give me a quick comment on this workout/supplement plan?

I looked around quite a bit on this board and others, but I could not find a w/o like mine, so I had to ask here (and hope I don't get flamed!!!)

Thanks in advance to all of you smart guys out there that help guys like me.

I want to workout every third day, ie: M Th Su We Sa, etc, for the entire cycle.

Should I still just dose on lift days, say building up to 40 mg?

Should I wait to take the 6 oxo after the cycle?

I appreciate everyone's comments!

Yes, I would dose epi 20mg pre and 20mg post w/o to start, and do maybe 100mg 6-oxo every night or 200mg on off nights only. I think that would work well and pct can totally be avoided with you I believe.

 

[Riquee]

I've never actually tried it, but I hear good stuff from users, so I'd say it would likely be fine to sub for MT. I do use arjuna (my own custom cholesterol blend) and love it! I take it daily, just for the anti-ischemic and cardioprotective effects. It's perfect for guys like us.

Great, thx.. I ll look into arjuna.

 

[adil]

Thanks Doc. What are your opinions on Ultra HOTter? Seems to be a methylated form of ATD. I can get hold of this or rebound XT. Which would you recommend?

 

[Solitude]

Pulsing Havoc & 6-OXO Extreme

Hi Dr. D

My workout program incorporates a cyclic training method. Each cycle last for 20 days and I train 8 times out of that 20 days. After reading your pulsing method, I think this would suit perfectly well for my workout program.

I'm thinking of trying out to pulse Havoc and combine it with 6-OXO Extreme during off days, I chose 6-OXO Extreme, because it has trans-reservatrol which I heard is some kind of a SERM, just for extra insurance.

I plan on using 1 bottle of Havoc (90 Caps) and 2 bottles of 6-OXO Extreme (150 caps). This is how I plan my cycle, please give your critique:

Cycle 1 (Day 1 - Day 20) = 26 caps of havoc & 48 caps of 6-oxo extreme in total
- Training Day 1 = 10 mg before workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 2 = 20 mg before workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 3 = 20 mg before workout and 10 mg after workout
- Training Day 4 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 5 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 6 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 7 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
- Training Day 8 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme

Cycle 2 (Day 21 - Day 40) = 32 caps of havoc & 48 caps of 6-oxo extreme in total
- Training Day 1 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 2 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 3 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
- Training Day 4 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 5 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 6 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 7 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
- Training Day 8 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme

Cycle 3 (Day 41 - Day 60) = 32 caps of havoc & 54 caps of 6-oxo extreme in total
- Training Day 1 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 2 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 3 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
- Training Day 4 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 5 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 6 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 7 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
- Training Day 8 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme


Sorry for the long post, I just thought I better put it in detail to give you a better picture of the layout on my workout timing.

So what do you think of this? Is this cycle safe enough if I don't use post cycle therapy? Any input that you could advice me to improve the cycle?


Thank you in advance

 

[firefighter2032]

Hey Doc, (or anyone that can help)

I have some Ergo 1-ad & 4-ad sitting around that I've been waiting to take. Just curious if they'd be good for the idea of pulsing. If so, what would you recommend for doseing.

Thanks

 

[The Asterion]

Lots of excellent info guys. A few Q's though.
Will pulse a superdrol clone 3x/week (never done a cycle before).

SD pre WO - how long before WO and with food/Shake?
SD post WO - Should it be taken with my post WO shake( whey, carbs) or with my post WO meal an hour after WO?

Will be taking Retain and an AI on off days but I've also got some hyperdrol left from my mass fx cycle, would it be good to take 2 caps in the morning eveyday throughout the cycle?

Any info would be great.

 

[xtraflossy]

Hi Dr. D

My workout program incorporates a cyclic training method. Each cycle last for 20 days and I train 8 times out of that 20 days. After reading your pulsing method, I think this would suit perfectly well for my workout program.

I'm thinking of trying out to pulse Havoc and combine it with 6-OXO Extreme during off days, I chose 6-OXO Extreme, because it has trans-reservatrol which I heard is some kind of a SERM, just for extra insurance.

I plan on using 1 bottle of Havoc (90 Caps) and 2 bottles of 6-OXO Extreme (150 caps). This is how I plan my cycle, please give your critique:

Cycle 1 (Day 1 - Day 20) = 26 caps of havoc & 48 caps of 6-oxo extreme in total
- Training Day 1 = 10 mg before workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 2 = 20 mg before workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 3 = 20 mg before workout and 10 mg after workout
- Training Day 4 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 5 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 6 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 7 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
- Training Day 8 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme

Cycle 2 (Day 21 - Day 40) = 32 caps of havoc & 48 caps of 6-oxo extreme in total
- Training Day 1 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 2 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 3 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
- Training Day 4 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 5 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 6 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 7 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
- Training Day 8 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 4 caps of 6-OXO Extreme

Cycle 3 (Day 41 - Day 60) = 32 caps of havoc & 54 caps of 6-oxo extreme in total
- Training Day 1 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 2 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 3 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
- Training Day 4 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 5 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 6 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
- Training Day 7 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
- Training Day 8 = 20 mg before workout and 20 mg after workout
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme
OFF DAYS = 5 caps of 6-OXO Extreme


Sorry for the long post, I just thought I better put it in detail to give you a better picture of the layout on my workout timing.

So what do you think of this? Is this cycle safe enough if I don't use post cycle therapy? Any input that you could advice me to improve the cycle?


Thank you in advance

I think that you do not have anythign to worry about if your dosing 8 out of 20 days.

I would suggest starting at at LEAST 20mg epi.
... a better suggestion would be 20mg befiore you work out and 10mg after.
You should find that you can use these doses and not have an issue with supression.

In fact, with the time between dosing days, you could be hitting 40mg and probably not run into a problem at all.
You do need to be takign enough compound so that your taking an anabolic dose... I do not see that at 10mg.. 20mg IS possible, in the time frame and dosing schedual you are talking about.

 

[ChuckBooty]

Question for my fellow 'Pulsers'

What, aside from ball-shrinkage' do you look for when determining weather you're getting any 'shutdown' or 'supression'.

 

[xtraflossy]

What, aside from ball-shrinkage' do you look for when determining weather you're getting any 'shutdown' or 'supression'.

It can vary from person to person. I notice that I loose some sexual ability unless Im takign something pretty androgenic, .. and then I need to up the dose some.
There are some things you can't really tell if your being repressed. But I really wouldn't worry too much , but it IS something that "you just feel". Aside from shrinkage, you could never notice it, depending on what your taking.

There are other things like being tired all the time, but that could just be from th ecompound, and not directly related to supression.

You notice it more when you come off cycle of course.
But with pulsing, you can tell almost day to day, so you'll be able t ocompare it to the day before...\

 

[Solitude]

I think that you do not have anythign to worry about if your dosing 8 out of 20 days.

I would suggest starting at at LEAST 20mg epi.
... a better suggestion would be 20mg befiore you work out and 10mg after.
You should find that you can use these doses and not have an issue with supression.

In fact, with the time between dosing days, you could be hitting 40mg and probably not run into a problem at all.
You do need to be takign enough compound so that your taking an anabolic dose... I do not see that at 10mg.. 20mg IS possible, in the time frame and dosing schedual you are talking about.

Thanks bro, yeah the 10 mg, 20 mg and 30 mg dosing was only for the first three workout days, the left over 21 workout days will be dosed at 40 mg. This should be fine without PCT yeah?

 

[xtraflossy]

Thanks bro, yeah the 10 mg, 20 mg and 30 mg dosing was only for the first three workout days, the left over 21 workout days will be dosed at 40 mg. This should be fine without post cycle therapy yeah?

Probably. At least have an AI in there somewhere.
Everyone will respond differently.

 

[Solitude]

Probably. At least have an AI in there somewhere.
Everyone will respond differently.

Yes, the AI would be the 6-OXO Extreme slip in during off days, would that be sufficient?

or is it better to leave out the 6-OXO after the on-cycle instead?

 

[Leggo my Ego]

Yes, the AI would be the 6-OXO Extreme slip in during off days, would that be sufficient?

or is it better to leave out the 6-OXO after the on-cycle instead?

Use the 6-oxo on your off days. This will help prevent any shutdown and eliminate the need for PCT.

 

[Leggo my Ego]

Just to give everyone a point of reference as to the results I have seen with my pulse, which is nothing short of phenominal, here is a before and after. The first was Feb. '07 (212lbs) and the second was taken about 2 weeks ago (224lbs). I got married in feb and for a couple months thereafter, I didnt spend much time in the gym of eat very well. I am 6 weeks into my 10 week pulse. the 1st three weeks, I was pulsing all nonmethyls: TST, max LMG, and Orastan-e. The next 3 weeks Was LMG and Superdrol, and the superdrol the max dose i did in a day was only 20mg for last week, the other two weeks were 10mg per day. This week I cut out the sdrol and and am using Epistane and max LMG. My doses are all on the light to moderate side to avoid any unwanted sides and hopefully get some synergism from the different compounds used. I haven't experienced ANY of the sides I remember from previous PS cycles. I was bulking and I have now switched gears to cutting and I am 219 and noticibly leaner

 

[peece]

Just to give everyone a point of reference as to the results I have seen with my pulse, which is nothing short of phenominal, here is a before and after. The first was Jan. '07 (212lbs) and the second was taken about 2 weeks ago (224lbs). I got married in feb and for a couple months thereafter, I didnt spend much time in the gym of eat very well. I am 6 weeks into my 10 week pulse. the 1st three weeks, I was pulsing all nonmethyls: TST, max LMG, and Orastan-e. The next 3 weeks Was Finigenix and Superdrol, and the superdrol the max dose i did in a day was only 20mg for last week, the other two weeks were 10mg per day. This week I cut out the sdrol and and am using Epistane and max LMG. My doses are all on the light to moderate side to avoid any unwanted sides and hopefully get some synergism from the different compounds used. I haven't experienced ANY of the sides I remember from previous PS cycles. I was bulking and I have now switched gears to cutting and I am 219 and noticibly leaner

Hella nice gains man, congrats to you!

 

[Leggo my Ego]

Hella nice gains man, congrats to you!

Thanks man

 

[UNCfan1]

Thanks man

U have def put on some size my man. Great job!!!:clean:

 

[Solitude]

Use the 6-oxo on your off days. This will help prevent any shutdown and eliminate the need for post cycle therapy.

Do you have a suggestion on how much I should dose the 6-OXO Extreme during off days?

The standard serving is 5 caps (300 mg of 6-OXO), I'm thinking of taking 4 caps, but with the combination of havoc and 6-oxo, I'm concerned that it might be too much of estrogen suppression, and it will lead to very dry joints, so should I drop the dosage to 2 caps a day (120 mg of 6-OXO) instead. What do you think about this? Should I keep the dosage at 4 caps a day or 2 caps should be sufficient?



Thank you


P.S. You seem to be making great progress btw, I can't wait to try out the pulsing method myself.

 

[Leggo my Ego]

U have def put on some size my man. Great job!!!:clean:

Thanks, UNCfan I'll post another pic in a few weeks, the gains are still coming. I dont see myself doing another "conventional" oral cycle again... pulse from here on out baby.

I am truly amazed at the gains I am making at such light dosages. Maybe it is the synergy between the numerous compounds. LOL. But the nice thing is this is only my 4th week of using a methyl and, as stated, I did not exceed 20mg of sdrol. This week is 30mg epi and 100mg max lmg 3x per week.

 

[Leggo my Ego]

Do you have a suggestion on how much I should dose the 6-OXO Extreme during off days?

The standard serving is 5 caps (300 mg of 6-OXO), I'm thinking of taking 4 caps, but with the combination of havoc and 6-oxo, I'm concerned that it might be too much of estrogen suppression, and it will lead to very dry joints, so should I drop the dosage to 2 caps a day (120 mg of 6-OXO) instead. What do you think about this? Should I keep the dosage at 4 caps a day or 2 caps should be sufficient?



Thank you


P.S. You seem to be making great progress btw, I can't wait to try out the pulsing method myself.

I have been using Alpha drive xl (3 caps per day) on my off days and ATD (25mg at night) a few times a week.

I have never used 6-OXO but I assume it is just like any other aromatase inhibitor~ Best when taken right before bed. I personally start my supplement and cycle regimens in a very conservative manner and adjust from there. I would start at 3-4 caps per day and judge from there whether to stay with that dose or to bump it.
I can say that with my current program I am not shut down at all, Balls are swinging low and I'm popping blue steelies even on my off days.

I think the program you posted earlier looks solid and well thought out