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How to "pulse" orals

Ok, so by EOD do you mean simply mon weds and friday, with weekends off, or truly EOD like this: Mon, Weds, Fri, Sun, Tues, Thurs, Sat, Mon again.... Or would that not be ok?
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
Ok, so by EOD do you mean simply mon weds and friday, with weekends off, or truly EOD like this: Mon, Weds, Fri, Sun, Tues, Thurs, Sat, Mon again.... Or would that not be ok?
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1. who are you talking to ?

2. If Dr.D then either 3 x week or 4 x week pulse.

M - W - F

OR

T - T- S

OR

S - M - W

OR

S - T - T

etc etc :)
 
DR D,

Would it be beneficial to take TZ3 ( which is trib ZMA and 6 oxo) on off days if i am pulsing 4x week
in theory i would think it would help the test rebound... or should i just save it for off weeks? (could be a waste i imagine while on the pulse )
 
Hello, this is my first post here on AM. While I may be new to this site I am by no means new to weight lifting or the use of PH/AAS.

I am 23 years old, 5'11'', 201lb, been lifting about 8 years, so far I have used SD, m1p/m1a, halo/winz, prop/pp

I have been reading as much as I can find on pulsing phs which, unfortunately, is not very much. I would like to have some decent gains in size and strength. Obviously dry gains are ideal, but, wet gains are completely acceptable for now. I am thinking of pulsing methyl xt for 6 weeks, dosing 3x per week as follows:

week1: 40mg,40,40
week2: 40,40,40
week3: 60,60,60
week4: 60,60,60
week5: 80,80,80
week6: 80,80,80

I was thinking I would take hyperdrol, hypertest and reduce xt on off days. So, any thoughts? What would you change/do different? Is methyl xt even viable for pulsing? If not, then what might I try given my stats and goals? Thanks
 
FutureKill you should start your own thread in the steroids section. They can be answered there without cluttering up this already large thread. welcome to AM. be patient people will help like i said start your own thread with your Q's
 
That One Guy said:
So basically Dr. D, you are saying that if i ran hyperdrol normally instead of running prostanozol, and pulsed phera at 30-40 mg, that i could get less shutdown and require less post cycle therapy than a regular cycle? I love that idea!

Another question: If i did something like what you suggested, do you think i should throw in a test booster after the cycle since you mentioned that i might not need such a strong PCT? Or should i go the regular PCT route with a SERM?
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With a strong test booster like Hyperdrol as your daily base, to do a smart pulse with a methyl simultaneously you should not need a SERM or PCT at all.
 
GettinSwol said:
... I'm still coming to terms with the fact that if I want to, I can continue to pulse for another three or four weeks without a problem... Not bad at all
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It is a very nice trade off isn't it! Just for how much healthier you feel if nothing else. I'd rather pulse cycle 3 months straight and feel great the whole time that feel toxic by the 6-8'th wk of a regular cycle and keep pushing it. I'm just getting too old for that (lol) but it's great for young guys too because it kind of foolproofs their cycles were they're less likely to hurt themselves while they're still learning about stuff, ya know? That's good for the whole industry, if you know what i mean.
 
lambo said:
DR D,

Would it be beneficial to take TZ3 ( which is trib ZMA and 6 oxo) on off days if i am pulsing 4x week
in theory i would think it would help the test rebound... or should i just save it for off weeks? (could be a waste i imagine while on the pulse )
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No, that would be fine to use. The ZM is good daily and the trib/6-oxo is the off-day test booster that delays shutdown even more. It should only help.
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
1. Sorry, I guess this question is directed at Dr.D

2. Thanks!
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EOD is fine. That comes out to 3,4,3,4 (or 3.5 days/wk) and that's in the normal range that works. 4.5 days/wk is really pushing it in my experience and shut down will still happen with time, but at 3 days/wk you can practically pulse forever. That's why I suggest 3-4x/wk or roughly EOD.
 
DR.D said:
EOD is fine. That comes out to 3,4,3,4 (or 3.5 days/wk) and that's in the normal range that works. 4.5 days/wk is really pushing it in my experience and shut down will still happen with time, but at 3 days/wk you can practically pulse forever. That's why I suggest 3-4x/wk or roughly EOD.
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Dang forever. I will be sending u a pm sometime and maybe we put together another cycle but longer.
 
FutureKill said:
C'mon, where is the love:frustrate ?
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Man, I just looked it up but I have no idea what the stuff is! I'm guessing maybe 3-reduced M1T or something? I'm just not sure because the nomenclature is 'unusual' :) , but yeah, it should theoretically pulse like anything else, I've never tried that product personally though.
 
Hey Dr. D,

I am about to embark on an Oral Turinadrol and Havoc pulse. Would Advanced post cycle therapy from AX be sufficient for PCT afterwards, or should I still use torem?
 
yo dis pulsing stuff is working im even gettin superhardcore pumps on off days DR.d u are the man u should write a book about all dis stuff and sell it i would def buy it

ps wut % of gains after a pulsing cycle is over u think a user could retain roughly 70% mabey?
 
vlad878 said:
yo dis pulsing stuff is working im even gettin superhardcore pumps on off days DR.d u are the man u should write a book about all dis stuff and sell it i would def buy it

ps wut % of gains after a pulsing cycle is over u think a user could retain roughly 70% mabey?
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I am considering pulsing Turinbol at a low dose 10-20mg/day...

What about pulsing with something like clomid on the off days?

Has anyone tried that or staying on the SERM the whole time they pulsed?

-Even if it is not 100% needed, I am thinking it couldn't hurt.?
 
smc252 said:
I am considering pulsing Turinbol at a low dose 10-20mg/day...

What about pulsing with something like clomid on the off days?

Has anyone tried that or staying on the SERM the whole time they pulsed?

-Even if it is not 100% needed, I am thinking it couldn't hurt.?
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bump to this question for Dr. D. I would like to know this too because it seems none of the logs ive seen show anyone using serm during the pulse.
 
I just wanted to mention, that I HAD this 3AD pulse worked out in my head, -the Doc said it looked good, but, I beleive he was runnign it slightly different; where I took anabolic doses one day, and non anabolic doses the next for its other effects...

SO, since 3AD i shaving a little trouble now, I thought Id try it with Havoc.
I take 10mg on my off days (for improved cardio I guess :P) and EoD, I bump it to:
20mg Havoc
60mg M14ADD (dbol)
and ~ 7-15 mg Phera

I am aware that this si a lot of methyl,.. but Im tring to finish things up here....

But I'd like to not that at the end of this week, I still come back the same, and do not feel any more supressed then "normal" fo rthe pulse type cycle.

I very much beleive that My dosing has played a HUGE part in this, as do the compounds I chose.

20mg epi & Phera 1 hour before workout.
dbol directly after workout.

I think the LH increase that epi brings, combined with the LATER dosing of bdol (which really seems to increase LH more so then epi) in the evening leave more of the anti-e effect for when Im going to bed, and helps with the rebound effect.

I beleive this is my last week pulsing. Results have been results,.. not in the neiborhood of what some of you guys out there have expirenced, like 4-6 pounds in a week :sad:
I'll be happy to get 4-6lbs out of the whole thing.

Anyways, I always take weekends off- well, that is, Friday and Saturday.

Just thought I'd share with ya'll. I'll post later in the results thread.
 
To anyone who hasx pulsed i am in week six and my gains stopped in week 3. i gained 10 pounds the first 3 weeks and now i have just flatlined anyone had a similar experience or know what is going on thanks
 
Usuyally only one of two things :)

Adjust training, or diet.

If your getting leaner, up your food.
or...Go heavier on the weights, less reps.

10lbs is pretty good.

I would think for another week, up your diet noticably, and see what happens. Spend the last week cutting if you cant gain.. it being summer and all
 
ok i was looking to run epistane 8 weeks 20,30,40,40,40,40,40,40 and wanted to use 3-ad with it but seeing as 11-oxo is available i wanted to use that instead at 225 2x a day for 8.my question is should i even bother with 11-oxo..it this too low a dose? this is of course a pulse eod
 
wojo said:
ok i was looking to run epistane 8 weeks 20,30,40,40,40,40,40,40 and wanted to use 3-ad with it but seeing as 11-oxo is available i wanted to use that instead at 225 2x a day for 8.my question is should i even bother with 11-oxo..it this too low a dose? this is of course a pulse eod
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Someone just posted in the supplement thread about 11-OXO, he is 9 days in and is having great results. He is not pulsing it but still having good results. U may want to pulse the Epi and run the other thru out.

I believe Mace is pulsing SD and running 3AD thru out.
 
UNCfan1 said:
Someone just posted in the supplement thread about 11-OXO, he is 9 days in and is having great results. He is not pulsing it but still having good results. U may want to pulse the Epi and run the other thru out.

I believe Mace is pulsing superdrol and running 3AD thru out.
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ah forget it,as soon as i posted this i found 2 bottles of max lmg in my cabinet i thought i tossed..gonna throw that in with epistane instead

prob do 30mgs of epi and 20 mgs of lmg for 8 weels eod pulsed..hopefully 3-ad will be available by the time im ready to pulse again
 
smc252 said:
I am considering pulsing Turinbol at a low dose 10-20mg/day...

What about pulsing with something like clomid on the off days?

Has anyone tried that or staying on the SERM the whole time they pulsed?

-Even if it is not 100% needed, I am thinking it couldn't hurt.?
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Bump for this post... I was thinking about this same question
 
RoboGiblets said:
Hey Dr. D,

I am about to embark on an Oral Turinadrol and Havoc pulse. Would Advanced post cycle therapy from AX be sufficient for post cycle therapy afterwards, or should I still use torem?
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Never tried the OT, but Havoc started to shut me down in 2wks of a straight cycle. Advanced P.C.T. is stronger than you might think, it would probably be fine for Havoc on a pulse, but having the tor on hand just in case is the safest bet for certain.

I think what I'm going to try next is running Advanced P.C.T. as my actual cycle/test booster and pulsing an oral with it just to fortify w/o days. That should eliminate any pct requirements afterward, especially if I use something like Epi that doesn't shut me down that fast in the first place. I will let you guys know how it works.
 
vlad878 said:
... ps wut % of gains after a pulsing cycle is over u think a user could retain roughly 70% mabey?
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If you keep training consistently and eating properly, you keep most all of it after a good pulse, especially relative to what you'd expect to retain after a regular cycle.

It's hard to put an actual percent on it, but 70% is not an unreasonable prediction. It just depends on many factors, not just genetic disposition but years of training and level of conditioning and lifestyle factors.
 
smc252 said:
I am considering pulsing Turinbol at a low dose 10-20mg/day...

What about pulsing with something like clomid on the off days?

Has anyone tried that or staying on the SERM the whole time they pulsed?

-Even if it is not 100% needed, I am thinking it couldn't hurt.?
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An AI or a short acting SERM like raloxifene would be perfect on off days, but a SERM like Clomid with a long half-life it not optimally appropriate. I have never tried it, but theoretically you could take a dose of Clomid every 4-5 days while pulsing, but more often than that would really not be required.

If you do decide to add a long acting SERM on off days (meaning 3-4x/wk) then I do suggest adding liver support back into that pulse.
 
xtraflossy said:
... Results have been results,.. not in the neiborhood of what some of you guys out there have expirenced, like 4-6 pounds in a week :sad:
I'll be happy to get 4-6lbs out of the whole thing.

Anyways, I always take weekends off- well, that is, Friday and Saturday.

Just thought I'd share with ya'll. I'll post later in the results thread.
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You have really excelled at this X, I too thought you would have gotten a higher yield with as good as you seemed to grasp this idea, but the true measure of success is not how much you gain but how much you keep. I bet you hold those 4-6lbs, which would not be bad for a guy like you already at a high level of training. Also, it's nice when your balls don't have to go on extended vacations anymore. :) Don't give up on the pulse!
 
wojo said:
ok i was looking to run epistane 8 weeks 20,30,40,40,40,40,40,40 and wanted to use 3-ad with it but seeing as 11-oxo is available i wanted to use that instead at 225 2x a day for 8.my question is should i even bother with 11-oxo..it this too low a dose? this is of course a pulse eod
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I agree with UNC, take the 11-oxo daily while you pulse the Epi. It's not just an anabolic but a good anti-catabolic for off days. 225mg/d may be sufficient for at least the anti-catabolic benefits, if not the anabolic effects.

In my alpha trials with 3AD, I noted excellent anti-catabolic activity at higher doses.
 
wojo said:
ah forget it,as soon as i posted this i found 2 bottles of max lmg in my cabinet i thought i tossed..gonna throw that in with epistane instead

prob do 30mgs of epi and 20 mgs of lmg for 8 weels eod pulsed..hopefully 3-ad will be available by the time im ready to pulse again
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:D

Yes, hopefully!
 
Hello Doctor, hope all is well...

I have a very basic question about pulsing and apologize in advance if this has already been covered.

In theory, most orals have short half-lives, almost always under 1 day. So taking orals on training days makes sense, in theory. However, all users notice that for orals to kick in (if they are used daily, not talking about pulsing) at least a week or two is needed. Now, how can it take up to 2 weeks for an oral to kick in if the half-life is only hours or a day at best? It doesn't make sense. I don;t know the answer to this but something is going on which invalidates the "they stay in your system for a day or less" theory.

That being the case, do you think one would potentially never allow the oral steroid to build up in his system while pulsing and thus miss out on the greatest benefit?

Thanks

Sub7
 
Hey Dr. D, you got me going again. It seems like every year you keep coming up with something interesting to challenge and help me.

I'm on my second day of pulsing Epi. Today I went up to 30mg at 20 + 10. Along with some heavy HS machine Triceps Pushdowns for a new PR of 6 reps at 575 lbs, I also upped my rack extensions by 30 lbs and hit 3 reps @ 330 lbs. My old PR @ 300 lbs went by so smooth and easy that I was amazed. This Pulsing is an ideal approach for us old farts and especially with something like Epi. Thanks.
 
Sub7 said:
Hello Doctor, hope all is well...

I have a very basic question about pulsing and apologize in advance if this has already been covered.

In theory, most orals have short half-lives, almost always under 1 day. So taking orals on training days makes sense, in theory. However, all users notice that for orals to kick in (if they are used daily, not talking about pulsing) at least a week or two is needed. Now, how can it take up to 2 weeks for an oral to kick in if the half-life is only hours or a day at best? It doesn't make sense. I don;t know the answer to this but something is going on which invalidates the "they stay in your system for a day or less" theory.

That being the case, do you think one would potentially never allow the oral steroid to build up in his system while pulsing and thus miss out on the greatest benefit?

Thanks

Sub7
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Yes and no. Methyls average ~6hrs on the half-life, so dosing 3-4x/day is required for steady state and thus 100% anabolic effeciency, this is true, but it is a popular misconception that orals take weeks to kick it. They start immediately, but it may require weeks to observe the cumulative effect. This method only yields about 60% effeciency, but that's the nature of the method and also the reason that you don't have nearly as many sides (because steady state is never achieved) so it just depends on your priorities. If you want the max gain ASAP, then run a regular cycle with a strong PCT. If you are already at an advanced level of training (or a newb) then pulsing may be something you'd like to try a few times to see if it's for you.
 
Hey D, I sent u a PM. I hope u see it. Anyway I guess I could post it here.

I dropped back to 3x a week and was going to extend the cycle 3 more weeks. What do u think about that?
 
Dutchman said:
Hey Dr. D, you got me going again. It seems like every year you keep coming up with something interesting to challenge and help me.

I'm on my second day of pulsing Epi. Today I went up to 30mg at 20 + 10. Along with some heavy HS machine Triceps Pushdowns for a new PR of 6 reps at 575 lbs, I also upped my rack extensions by 30 lbs and hit 3 reps @ 330 lbs. My old PR @ 300 lbs went by so smooth and easy that I was amazed. This Pulsing is an ideal approach for us old farts and especially with something like Epi. Thanks.
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How have you been Dutch?! Good to hear from you again and glad you're already enjoying positive results. Those are some impressive numbers my friend. And yes, pulsing a prostate friendly compound is well suited for us old tymers indeed. ;)
 
UNCfan1 said:
Hey D, I sent u a PM. I hope u see it. Anyway I guess I could post it here.

I dropped back to 3x a week and was going to extend the cycle 3 more weeks. What do u think about that?
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That sounds fine. Sorry about the back-log UNC. I'll check my PM's, review your specifics, and get back at you with a plan.
 
i have a question, on days off of training are you recommending the more androgenc compound taken in the am and the more anabolic compound in the pm like on training days? ex . i am taking max lmg with epistane right now so i would be taking 20 mgs of emax in the am and 30 of epistane pm..or just divide it up like usual and spread it out before 6 pm?
 
wojo said:
i have a question, on days off of training are you recommending the more androgenc compound taken in the am and the more anabolic compound in the pm like on training days? ex . i am taking max lmg with epistane right now so i would be taking 20 mgs of emax in the am and 30 of epistane pm..or just divide it up like usual and spread it out before 6 pm?
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Are u taking the Epi everyday? If so I would take the Emax in the morn and spread the Epi out.
 
DR.D said:
An AI or a short acting SERM like raloxifene would be perfect on off days, but a SERM like Clomid with a long half-life it not optimally appropriate. I have never tried it, but theoretically you could take a dose of Clomid every 4-5 days while pulsing, but more often than that would really not be required.

If you do decide to add a long acting SERM on off days (meaning 3-4x/wk) then I do suggest adding liver support back into that pulse.
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If one were to take a longer acting serm (clomid,nolvadex) once every 4-days what should dosing look like?
 
PCT after a Pulse

If someone is pulsing MWF, on what day should they begin PCT? It would seem to me that continuing the on cycle support supps through Sat. and Sun. following the last day of dosing, and then starting up PCT on Mon. would make sense, but I am not sure. Or should PCT be ramped up through the weekend?

Example: Last day of dosing is Friday. Taking Restore on off days, so continue Restore on Sat. and Sun. Begin PCT with 6-oxo & DHEA on Monday with a ramp up of the 6-oxo over 2-3 weeks of PCT.

Is this the best way to do it, or is the method dependent upon the substances being used?

Thanks to all for the input.
 
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