How to "pulse" orals

vlad878 said:
well im only doin a 4 week pulse but do u think i can still gain on it and keep all of gains?
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Well, one cycle is one cycle, but there's no reason you wouldn't keep your gains. The pulse is meant for long range, steady cycling, so results are slower but constant.
 
DR.D said:
That sound too bizarre! VD better PM with with the low down before I pop the top on all this, that's all I know. Thanks for the offer my friend, I'll go ahead and order it myself though. What are all the brands of this stuff out right now?
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Not sure about what brands are out with it. I have Generic Labs and Kilosports. Tren Xtreme is out there. Then there are a different type of Tren PH;s Anabolic Formulation TrenaPLEX which is Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dion 25 mg and PharmaGenX FiniGenX Magnumem which is the same as trenaplex thats the only ones that I know of.
 
DR.D said:
If you dose every other day (EOD) like the pulse protocol, you still get about 60% effect and 75% short term sides but only about 40% of the long term sides.
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I know I'm a little late to the dance here but how in the world did you come up with these percentages?
 
Jairster...if you're reading this thread, and I assume you are as you sent me a message on AmSpace with questions about pulsing.

I tried to return the message, but was told you wish not to receive PM's.

So maybe turn that option off or I can answer your questions here. As for the dosing I did, I posted it on this thread. Should be around page 3 or 4.
 
vlad878 said:
im talkin bout injectable winny and dbol
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I assume that it would be fine but why inject when you can take it in pill form. I believe injecting would slow the release of the hormone which would prolong the halflife and I believe the premise behind pulsing is to flood the body with anabolic hormones at potent dosages when you need it most: pre and post workout. And you can accomlish this best with orals. You want to be anabolic as possible aroungd your workout window and have the substances clear your system rather quickly so as to avoid HTPA shutdown among other undesired sides.
 
I am in the 2nd week of my 6-7 week pulse and I'm experimenting a bit... I'm incorporating several different compounds in phases: Max Lmg, Orastan-E, Superdrol, methoxy TST and probably Phera plex. I am working into it nice and slow, for examlpe, last week was 50 mg Max lmg and 75 mg Orastan-e, Pre and post . This week I'm doing: Pre- 10mg sdrol and 25mg Max lmg. and Post: 50mg max lmg and 75mg Orastan-e. Dosing mon. wed. fri and on off days Alpha drive xl and retain taken together 3 times per day.

Next week I'll probably do Pre: 10mg sdrol, 50mg Max lmg and Post: 10mg sdrol, 50mg Max lmg, and 75mg Orastan.

The point to this is I don't want to go very high with anything methylated and I want to see what can be accomplished with low dose methyls and moderately dosed non-methyls configured on a pulse. So far, I like it... Alot. I will probably phase out the sdrol and LMG around week 4 and incorpoate TST and maybe phera. I haven't decided yet...


Any feedback,anyone?? :cheers:
 
DocJ said:
I know I'm a little late to the dance here but how in the world did you come up with these percentages?
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They are 'loose' percentages, based on total dose exposure, clearance times and clinical bloodwork of people using relatively high dose corticosteroids for immune suppression. They can be +/- 20% I'd say based on the parameters which include dose spacing, inherent toxicity and suppression potential of the compound(s) used, half-lives and metabolites, days per wk within 3-4, individual idiosyncrasies, etc..) However, I have seen some real hyper responders lately. I'd consider 10lbs a month a success like this, but some guys are really thriving with 15+ lb gains, at least the first month, and that's just with an oral or two!
 
DR.D so how much did u gain on sum of your pusle cycles i would like to hear about sum of the pulse cycles u did back in the day
 
vlad878 said:
DR.D so how much did u gain on sum of your pusle cycles i would like to hear about sum of the pulse cycles u did back in the day
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I would gain about 10lbs with a bottle of dbol (5mg x 100)

20,30,40,40,40,30,20,10 - 4 wo/wk

I was so paranoid about suppression, I would even pyramid it! :)
 
DR.D said:
You can mix and match for sure. If you're using 2 orals, try taking the more androgenic compound pre-w/o (strength, CNS) and the more anabolic compound post-w/o (recovery, nitrogen retention). Only a rule of thumb though, not always.
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So a pulse of Phera or Ergomax (20mg) and Epi (20Mg), the Phera/Ergo would be taken pre-WO and Epi post-WO?
 
DR.D said:
I would gain about 10lbs with a bottle of dbol (5mg x 100)

20,30,40,40,40,30,20,10 - 4 wo/wk

I was so paranoid about suppression, I would even pyramid it! :)
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Does that mean, e.g. during the first week you took 20mg for each workout day (x4), followed by 30mg and then 40mg etc? Using those figures you would of needed 2 bottles of dbol for the 8 weeks...excuse me if im wrong :confused:
 
RoboGiblets said:
This almost sounds too good to be true.

Not doubting the legitimacy, but would you care to provide any sources so I can intelligently comment on your post?
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Dr. D, I have spent some time reading through this entire thread. I have also read your pulsing protocol on the IBE website. Perhaps I'm a little slow, but I was left feeling a little confused. Your write up on the IBE site discusses off weeks during a pulse cycle. Your write up here does not make mention of off weeks. There was some discussion about off weeks toward the end of the thread, but not enough to really clarify the issue for me.

Pulsing seems like a very interesting approach. I was wondering if you could shed some light on my confusion.
 
You might want to take an OFF week after 4 or 5 weeks to give your body a break from all the bouncin back it has to do.
Its probably not required, but depending on how hard your pushing the doses, you might need that week off to recover more fully durring your pulse.
If your feelign like you just too supressed at some point, you can adjust dosing, or if that supression occurs after a few weeks, you can afford an OFF week without sacrificing any gains whhile letting your natty test get back to more normal levels.. so that at week 8, your not finding yourself too far gone and have to run a PCT.

I think this is what is the Doc may be saying,..
SOmetimes it takes a day or so for him to grace these pages:box:
 
xtraflossy said:
You might want to take an OFF week after 4 or 5 weeks to give your body a break from all the bouncin back it has to do.
Its probably not required, but depending on how hard your pushing the doses, you might need that week off to recover more fully durring your pulse.
If your feelign like you just too supressed at some point, you can adjust dosing, or if that supression occurs after a few weeks, you can afford an OFF week without sacrificing any gains whhile letting your natty test get back to more normal levels.. so that at week 8, your not finding yourself too far gone and have to run a post cycle therapy.

I think this is what is the Doc may be saying,..
SOmetimes it takes a day or so for him to grace these pages:box:
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I'm not looking to push doses much past 30 mg 3 times per week. I'm just looking for a nice little boost.
 
Hey Dr. D, Im new here. In fact this is my first thread.

On to business. I just read the first page or so, and i know you must get these questions all the time, but i was wondering if you could run 2 ph's. One regulary, and the more dangerous one pulsed.

(prostanozol regularly, pheraplex 3x a week)
Day 1-3= 50mg prostanozol/ 10mg pheraplex
Day 4-7= 100 mg prostanozol/ 20 mg pheraplex
Week 2= 100 mg prostanozol/ 30 mg pheraplex
Week 3= 200 mg prostanozol/ 40 mg pheraplex
Week 4= 150 mg prostanozol/ 40 mg pheraplex
Week 5-8= AX PCT/Retain/Mass FX. (dont say Nolva, cause i cant get that stuff)
 
Cordeen said:
So a pulse of Phera or Ergomax (20mg) and Epi (20Mg), the Phera/Ergo would be taken pre-WO and Epi post-WO?
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You go it:cheers: I am running 20mg of Ergo with 20mg of SD. I will prob bump it up to 30mg of each for the rest of the pulse.
 
That One Guy said:
Hey Dr. D, Im new here. In fact this is my first thread.

On to business. I just read the first page or so, and i know you must get these questions all the time, but i was wondering if you could run 2 ph's. One regulary, and the more dangerous one pulsed.

(prostanozol regularly, pheraplex 3x a week)
Day 1-3= 50mg prostanozol/ 10mg pheraplex
Day 4-7= 100 mg prostanozol/ 20 mg pheraplex
Week 2= 100 mg prostanozol/ 30 mg pheraplex
Week 3= 200 mg prostanozol/ 40 mg pheraplex
Week 4= 150 mg prostanozol/ 40 mg pheraplex
Week 5-8= AX post cycle therapy/Retain/Mass FX. (dont say Nolva, cause i cant get that stuff)
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Im no Dr. D so take this for what its worth but I feel this would totally be pointless because the prost would still shut you down, especially when you are also introducing the phera 3 times a week so you if youre going to do this you may as well run a normal cycle. Just my opinion, Dr. D may say otherwise.
 
marshbomb said:
Im no Dr. D so take this for what its worth but I feel this would totally be pointless because the prost would still shut you down, especially when you are also introducing the phera 3 times a week so you if youre going to do this you may as well run a normal cycle. Just my opinion, Dr. D may say otherwise.
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Is it common for a winstrol type PH to cause shutdown? I ran O-E for 4 weeks at 200-250mg and never had any issues.
 
UNCfan1 said:
Is it common for a winstrol type PH to cause shutdown? I ran O-E for 4 weeks at 200-250mg and never had any issues.
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I have heard similiar things to this. No one that I have ever talked to that has ran prostan solo has ever been shutdown, at least thats what they say. I cant say from experience cause I have never used prostan or winny. I think I remember reading something from BIG CAT stating that after a regular winstrol cycle only a very weak post cycle therapy is needed. Maybe someone with more experience with these substances solo can chime in. But it seems to me that suppression or even the shutdown would be very mild considering the very low androgenic values and the anti-e characteristics of the substance. Maybe I am just messed up. These opinions are based solely off of what I have read, I have never used winstrol or prostan.

EDIT: when I said substances I was referring to prostan and winny.
 
haroldjg said:
I have heard similiar things to this. No one that I have ever talked to that has ran prostan solo has ever been shutdown, at least thats what they say. I cant say from experience cause I have never used prostan or winny. I think I remember reading something from BIG CAT stating that after a regular winstrol cycle only a very weak post cycle therapy is needed. Maybe someone with more experience with these substances solo can chime in. But it seems to me that suppression or even the shutdown would be very mild considering the very low androgenic values and the anti-e characteristics of the substance. Maybe I am just messed up. These opinions are based solely off of what I have read, I have never used winstrol or prostan.
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Not sure but I would think any PH has the potential for shutdown especially with something as androgenic as phera introduced but maybe not. id like to hear what D thinks.
 
rodneygit said:
Does that mean, e.g. during the first week you took 20mg for each workout day (x4), followed by 30mg and then 40mg etc? Using those figures you would of needed 2 bottles of dbol for the 8 weeks...excuse me if im wrong :confused:
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Yes, that is correct,

20 x4 first week,
30 x4 second week, etc..

I would NEVER exceed 1 bottle per pulse without taking a little break (and it was sometimes a very little break!) so don't take those figs literally. Generally, I would do 6wks cycles at 4x/wk or 8wk cycles at 3x/wk and the doses would range from 15-40mg as best I can remember dbol, it's been a long time since I used any dbol. Did a lot of methyltest pulses at 10-35mg/dose too. Methyltest is so cheap now, but back then it was at a premium. It cost 4x more than dbol!
 
devil said:
Dr. D, I have spent some time reading through this entire thread. I have also read your pulsing protocol on the IBE website. Perhaps I'm a little slow, but I was left feeling a little confused. Your write up on the IBE site discusses off weeks during a pulse cycle. Your write up here does not make mention of off weeks. There was some discussion about off weeks toward the end of the thread, but not enough to really clarify the issue for me.

Pulsing seems like a very interesting approach. I was wondering if you could shed some light on my confusion.
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I have no idea where that came from. I think a mod mistranscribed my original version or something, because off weeks were not something I ever suggested. It has become an urban myth at this point! I have elaborated on it for people that wanted to try it, but it is not necessary as part of a conventional pulse. Sorry about the confusion, I will go there and try to clean it up.
 
marshbomb said:
Not sure but I would think any PH has the potential for shutdown especially with something as androgenic as phera introduced but maybe not. id like to hear what D thinks.
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You guys are correct, winni reminds me a lot of how M4OHN use to be. The shutdown would occur but take a long time to finally kick in. These are excellent candidates for pulsing. I use to take 8-10mg of M4OHN pre-w/o only during PCT with no probs, kinda like a PCT pulse after a regular cycle. As far as prostan, I'm not 100% sure but think it would probably be fine.
 
That One Guy said:
Hey Dr. D, Im new here. In fact this is my first thread.

On to business. I just read the first page or so, and i know you must get these questions all the time, but i was wondering if you could run 2 ph's. One regulary, and the more dangerous one pulsed.

(prostanozol regularly, pheraplex 3x a week)
Day 1-3= 50mg prostanozol/ 10mg pheraplex
Day 4-7= 100 mg prostanozol/ 20 mg pheraplex
Week 2= 100 mg prostanozol/ 30 mg pheraplex
Week 3= 200 mg prostanozol/ 40 mg pheraplex
Week 4= 150 mg prostanozol/ 40 mg pheraplex
Week 5-8= AX post cycle therapy/Retain/Mass FX. (dont say Nolva, cause i cant get that stuff)
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It would be fine like that to save your liver, but would still promote shutdown faster than a true pulse. I will say this though, I see a day coming when people will cycle test boosters and only pulse methyls simultaneously to augment. For practical example, instead of pulsing Epistane and "adding" Hyperdol on off days, they'll cycle Hyperdrol and only add Epi on w/o days! See what I mean? Like integrating a high potency daily test booster as the staple supp with a pulsed methyl for the extra kick pre & post-w/o when the extra intensity and nutrient loading are at their highest requirements respectively. That would be as safe, efficient and effective as one could possibly achieve if you don't plan to do injectables. The test boosters are that good these days that this could really work. PCTs will be virtually eliminated because equilibrium is maintained during the entire course of the cycle itself.
 
DR.D said:
Yes, that is correct,

20 x4 first week,
30 x4 second week, etc..

I would NEVER exceed 1 bottle per pulse without taking a little break (and it was sometimes a very little break!) so don't take those figs literally. Generally, I would do 6wks cycles at 4x/wk or 8wk cycles at 3x/wk and the doses would range from 15-40mg as best I can remember dbol, it's been a long time since I used any dbol. Did a lot of methyltest pulses at 10-35mg/dose too. Methyltest is so cheap now, but back then it was at a premium. It cost 4x more than dbol!
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Thanks for clearing that up Doc, I will continue following your original example maxing at 40mg x3 a week. :)
 
DR.D said:
It would be fine like that to save your liver, but would still promote shutdown faster than a true pulse. I will say this though, I see a day coming when people will cycle test boosters and only pulse methyls simultaneously to augment. For practical example, instead of pulsing Epistane and "adding" Hyperdol on off days, they'll cycle Hyperdrol and only add Epi on w/o days! See what I mean? Like integrating a high potency daily test booster as the staple supp with a pulsed methyl for the extra kick pre & post-w/o when the extra intensity and nutrient loading are at their highest requirements respectively. That would be as safe, efficient and effective as one could possibly achieve if you don't plan to do injectables. The test boosters are that good these days that this could really work. PCTs will be virtually eliminated because equilibrium is maintained during the entire course of the cycle itself.
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lol- this is basicly what I thought we were all doing to begin with?? :thumbsup:
.. just looking at the glass a half one thing or the other...
 
DR.D said:
I have no idea where that came from. I think a mod mistranscribed my original version or something, because off weeks were not something I ever suggested. It has become an urban myth at this point! I have elaborated on it for people that wanted to try it, but it is not necessary as part of a conventional pulse. Sorry about the confusion, I will go there and try to clean it up.
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Thanks!!!
 
DR.D said:
It would be fine like that to save your liver, but would still promote shutdown faster than a true pulse. I will say this though, I see a day coming when people will cycle test boosters and only pulse methyls simultaneously to augment. For practical example, instead of pulsing Epistane and "adding" Hyperdol on off days, they'll cycle Hyperdrol and only add Epi on w/o days! See what I mean? Like integrating a high potency daily test booster as the staple supp with a pulsed methyl for the extra kick pre & post-w/o when the extra intensity and nutrient loading are at their highest requirements respectively. That would be as safe, efficient and effective as one could possibly achieve if you don't plan to do injectables. The test boosters are that good these days that this could really work. PCTs will be virtually eliminated because equilibrium is maintained during the entire course of the cycle itself.
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I think that this is brilliant! Using this way will allow the exact same results as cycling a couple of times a year, exept without PCT and without risking irreversable liver damage.

You won't get the immediate, extreme results as doing a traditional cycle, but being able to cycle more often and for longer periods of time will allow for the same results over time. Exept that they'd be PERMANENT results.

This transforms the use of oral, methyls into part of a regular workout LIFESTYLE instead of something that you do a couple of times per year.:thumbsup:
 
im on day 6 of my pulse cycle things are doin good today my bench shot up 10lbs


dr.D i have a quick question with methyltest wut kinda gains would u expect im thinkin of gettin sum methyltest to run in a future pulse cycle
 
rickeepoo1 said:
... This transforms the use of oral, methyls into part of a regular workout LIFESTYLE instead of something that you do a couple of times per year.:thumbsup:
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Yes, exactly. It's one thing to be young and reckless and just "go for it" to get big, but if you want to live to be old and big and still healthy, this is the way to go! :)
 
vlad878 said:
im on day 6 of my pulse cycle things are doin good today my bench shot up 10lbs


dr.D i have a quick question with methyltest wut kinda gains would u expect im thinkin of gettin sum methyltest to run in a future pulse cycle
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Good to hear it Vlad!

Great hardness, pumps and aggression but relatively bad as far as rapid shutdown and acne. I would keep it to 25mg or less 3x/wk only. It shuts you down fast but you bounce extra well on it with 2 consecutive off days.
 
So basically Dr. D, you are saying that if i ran hyperdrol normally instead of running prostanozol, and pulsed phera at 30-40 mg, that i could get less shutdown and require less pct than a regular cycle? I love that idea!

Another question: If i did something like what you suggested, do you think i should throw in a test booster after the cycle since you mentioned that i might not need such a strong PCT? Or should i go the regular PCT route with a SERM?
 
I'm happy to say that I've been seeing amazing results recently from pulsing Pheradrol. I began to pulsemy cycle after 12 days of regular cycle at 10 mg/day for the first 5 days and 20 mg/day for the second week.

I took two days off and then began to pulse at 30 mg/day x 4. My first two workout days felt strong, then I took a rest day.
My third workout day, shoulders, felt impressive but I didn't put too much emphasis on how much weight I was increasing.
My fourth workout day, back, felt incredible to me. I was able to lift my previous one rep PR on deads of 415 five times and I was able to best my lat pulldown PR of 210x4 to 210x8 and then 230x4..
I took two days rest and had a chest workout today hoping to maintain the flow I had from the last workout. Starting with 225, I hit 10 reps rather than my expected 6-8, and went on to 245x7 and was 20 pounds above my lifting goals on the bench for the entire workout.

I'm feeling very healthy. I did feel a bit fatigued the on my past two off days but I did have an intense back workout, and a busy weekend. I'm not shutdown at all and I'm very satisfied with my progress so far.
I'm actually liking this more than a regular cycle which would be coming to an end in less than a week if I was on ED. I'm still coming to terms with the fact that if I want to, I can continue to pulse for another three or four weeks without a problem... Not bad at all
 
GettinSwol said:
I'm happy to say that I've been seeing amazing results recently from pulsing Pheradrol. I began to pulsemy cycle after 12 days of regular cycle at 10 mg/day for the first 5 days and 20 mg/day for the second week.

I took two days off and then began to pulse at 30 mg/day x 4. My first two workout days felt strong, then I took a rest day.
My third workout day, shoulders, felt impressive but I didn't put too much emphasis on how much weight I was increasing.
My fourth workout day, back, felt incredible to me. I was able to lift my previous one rep PR on deads of 415 five times and I was able to best my lat pulldown PR of 210x4 to 210x8 and then 230x4..
I took two days rest and had a chest workout today hoping to maintain the flow I had from the last workout. Starting with 225, I hit 10 reps rather than my expected 6-8, and went on to 245x7 and was 20 pounds above my lifting goals on the bench for the entire workout.

I'm feeling very healthy. I did feel a bit fatigued the on my past two off days but I did have an intense back workout, and a busy weekend. I'm not shutdown at all and I'm very satisfied with my progress so far.
I'm actually liking this more than a regular cycle which would be coming to an end in less than a week if I was on ED. I'm still coming to terms with the fact that if I want to, I can continue to pulse for another three or four weeks without a problem... Not bad at all
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After 12 days you probably are shut down pretty good. If it were me, I'd finish up the cycle and do your PCT. Start your next cycle as a pulse. Either that, or come off cycle early (now) do a short PCT, wait at least a month and then start over with an 8-week pulse cycle.
 
rickeepoo1 said:
After 12 days you probably are shut down pretty good. If it were me, I'd finish up the cycle and do your post cycle therapy. Start your next cycle as a pulse. Either that, or come off cycle early (now) do a short PCT, wait at least a month and then start over with an 8-week pulse cycle.
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Hmm... That's not the same type of reply that I got when I asked if it was safe to switch over to a pulse about a week ago.

Does anyone wish to comment any further. I was plannin on just using some retain to combat cortisol when I was done and some RPM to keep me stimulated in the gym. Should I add an ATD or SERM into the mix? And should I consider ending this early?
 
could i pulse dbol while doing a hyperdrolx2/massfx/retain stack?? If so would i need to still take test on off days??
 
when you guys go to this link are you getting directed to a bs ad about D-bolon and some other crap they are trying to peddle? I am being directed to another website when this happens and I have to hit the back button and wait for this page to pull back up. Just wondering
 
Nogrinia said:
when you guys go to this link are you getting directed to a bs ad about D-bolon and some other crap they are trying to peddle? I am being directed to another website when this happens and I have to hit the back button and wait for this page to pull back up. Just wondering
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uhhhhhhhh........nope,.......:think: strange
 
Nogrinia said:
when you guys go to this link are you getting directed to a bs ad about D-bolon and some other crap they are trying to peddle? I am being directed to another website when this happens and I have to hit the back button and wait for this page to pull back up. Just wondering
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You must be clicking on one of the adds just as the page is loading. Like in that split second before it appears.
 
Nogrinia said:
when you guys go to this link are you getting directed to a bs ad about D-bolon and some other crap they are trying to peddle? I am being directed to another website when this happens and I have to hit the back button and wait for this page to pull back up. Just wondering
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You should pulse D-bolon!!

LOL
 
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