Yes, exactly! That's what my bottle says too and that's what the insert that came in the box says too and after testing, that's what it is alright. It has been tested and confirmed to contain just that. See any problems though?
Like the fact it's not 17a-alkylated! Yeah!! Of course the non-methyl form is going to suck at 7.5mg. No wonder it's not doing anything for people, 100 tabs of this is only like a two day supply at the most, if it's like similar non-methyl compounds. I am not suggesting anybody take 50 tabs though.
What a rip off! But hey, I gotta hand it to them, it is what they say. lol
Lots of drama over at BB.com... This whole thing is getting pathetic.
This is what happens when companies are racing to market with brand new compounds. Are the claims accurate? ... who knows. Everyone in a position to have information has something to loose or gain in most cases. As far as Im concerned, a lot of people have compromised their credibility with all of this unfounded mud slinging and petty rumors w/ no basis. There could very well be some libel going on...
I find it hard to believe that Dsade and RPN would fail to test their product and be selling only a 60% pure one. Although, when pressed for time, CQ could have been sacrificed. I have no idea if its true, but it is hard to believe. If anyone is MORE likely to have rushed in the process it was IBE. They were the ones racing to catch up to RPN and get their competing product on the shelf quickly. Yes, they had the concept previously but had not started full scale production. RPN had a significant time advantage. If I had to pick one, I feel that the likelihood of IBE skimping on QC to get the product out seems the most likely. IBE doesnt seem to have the best rep among industry insiders or some customers. All that oral hexatropin, oratropin stuff they sell is hilarious.
Originally Posted by carcinogen
OK, so with the "findings" from IBE, I retested the Havoc I have with different parameters on the GC/MS. Essentially starting at a low temp and the increasing the oven temp.
What I did find was that there were two peaks. BUT, with the same molecular weights as the dominant peaks (with the highest being 288). What does this mean? It means that the compound breaks down in the injection port and forms two isomers.
I have seen this happen numerous times in the past (i.e. compounds that have acetates, hyrdroxyls etc).
As for Oxyguno - this is another case where the reports just dont add up. I find it hard to believe. These guys aren't dummies. They have been in the industry for a while. I think D may have jumped the gun on the "non-methylated" bit on the forums. I trust Dr. D but this just makes no sense. I'm not saying he made it up, but there could be more to it. It has essentially been said that this is what they intended since its what the label also says. I find it really hard to believe they would let this go to market unmethylated. This is NOT what they intended. The testing is off, the sample is bad, or a portion of their products have a problem. All I know is a novice chemist would know better than to design it like this. There is no way it was meant to be. I hate to think D would report falsely...
The owners have reported that Japan simply ****ed up on the label translation. Why else would there be a "17alpha" unless something was meant to come after it (methyl, ethyl, chloro). It doesn't make sense for them to "design" the product like this and I doubt that an entire batch is not methylated without them noticing. As for D's results, I'm surprised and it makes me wonder a bit.
PA has looked at this product briefly with MS (although he hasnt done a definitive analysis). He said he doesn't see anything initially that shows it to be undoubtedly non-methylated. SFR also seems to have a good rep among the numerous people in the industry that I have spoken with.
The ****ty thing about all of this drama is that we, the consumer, dont even know who to trust anymore. We are the ones keeping you in business and now we have to wonder what we are really taking or if we are even being informed accurately. It makes a mockery of the entire industry...