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MrKleen73
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Well unfortunately they jumped the gun and didn't have approval and cancelled, so I am now waiting to hear about an approval. Frustrating, but it is what it is.
Had some good training over the weekend. I was able to get both my chest and lats a little sore. Just basic sessions broken down into pull, and push options.
My MIL is now in town, so I am trying to see if I can get off. I forgot that my wife was no longer able to take a week off due to changing jobs and not having PTO yet. So, now I am requesting to be able to take tme off while she is here.
Training seems to be going well, and lower volume, higher intensity seems to allow me to get the job done before my trouble areas lose stability due to fatigue.
Dustin07
Legend
you're just a great big 'ol teddy bear these days!
my wife's family are in town visiting next door for the week and my response was a bit different than yours. Since we put that fence up I told my wife "you know what they say about good fences?"
they make good neighbors, ha.
MrKleen73
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We have a running joke where she call's me her favorite child. LOL even bought me a shirt. So, we get along really well, and she does not get in the middle of things and keeps her opinions to herself even if there is an argument or something. So it works out well.
Dustin07
Legend
my wife's aunt is like her mom at this point since both parents have passed. they are polar opposites of us politically ever since about 2020. (prior to COVID it would be funny going to their house cause she's always been liberal, but he used to be conservative. so I told them one time it was fun to watch them argue on the couch cause it was like real life picture in picture, streaming CNN and FOX at the same time
)but anyways if I'm hanging with them, I know well enough I'm not going down any political rabbit holes. I keep things lighter, and if politically dangerous topics come up, I keep to asking questions about science or humanity. I keep it gentler and I avoid arguments.
the ladies however... I swear my wife and her aunt will out of the blue just stick their fingers in politics bees nest to rile eachother up sometimes for no reason whatsoever
they do love each other though, travel together, we do happy hour together, thanksgiving etc so its not like there is a divider, but I have no idea why they have to start those fights ha. (well I probably do but whatever lol)
Segansational
Well-known member
That's a real bummer man, I can't believe they didn't ensure they had the preauthorization from your insurance to do the MRI. Hope you get rescheduled soon enough.
Good to hear about the training progression though. And glad you get along with the MIL. I always got along with my significant other's mothers well too. I'm not sure how you would be in a long term relationship and not get along with the parents. The added stress that would cause!
MrKleen73
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Haha right, I think the conservative husband / liberal wife is a lot more common than most people think. Also, you know every once in a while I think they just seek out chaos and drama!my wife's aunt is like her mom at this point since both parents have passed. they are polar opposites of us politically ever since about 2020. (prior to COVID it would be funny going to their house cause she's always been liberal, but he used to be conservative. so I told them one time it was fun to watch them argue on the couch cause it was like real life picture in picture, streaming CNN and FOX at the same time
but anyways if I'm hanging with them, I know well enough I'm not going down any political rabbit holes. I keep things lighter, and if politically dangerous topics come up, I keep to asking questions about science or humanity. I keep it gentler and I avoid arguments.
the ladies however... I swear my wife and her aunt will out of the blue just stick their fingers in politics bees nest to rile eachother up sometimes for no reason whatsoever
they do love each other though, travel together, we do happy hour together, thanksgiving etc so its not like there is a divider, but I have no idea why they have to start those fights ha. (well I probably do but whatever lol)
Agreed!
My first marriage her father hated me, at one point put a hit out on me to have my legs broke by some of his thug security guys, it was a whole thing. I have a couple pretty wild stories from that period of time in my life. Especially from that situation... So surprise, we didn't make it.
Dustin07
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MrKleen73
Legend
LMFAO!!!
So it was this guy, https://www.openipf.org/u/gilthompson
Strong son of a bitch! This was back in my day where, well just to be real, I was kind of using dancers as sugar mommas. My baby momma was an exotic dancer and I later found out she was cheating on me, and was telling all of the staff there that I was abusive so they wouldn't befriend me and let me know what she was doing. Well, Gil was the owner of the nude bar, and his daughter was working their as the bartender. I had been sitting there talking to her some nights waiting for my girl to get off. So when it came out she was cheating we were up there for New Years Eve, and the guy she had been cheating on me with had ended up sitting down with me and talking and he realized I wasn't this abusive psycho, and felt bad when I told him I know she is sleeping with someone up here she came home with a hickie. So he tells me, it was him but she had been telling everyone I was super abusive and everything so he didn't care about sleeping with her until he realized I wasn't that type of dude. So she comes up and tries to sit in my lap, and I told her to sit in his, we weren't a thing anymore. So I went to the bar sat down and told her what I just found out. Then we pretty much immediately started flirting, by the end of the night during the fireworks we were kissing on top of the roof and my baby momma was balling and having a fit.
Anyway, now you can guess what Gil's impression of me was, especially since I found out she was also telling him all of that. So next thing he knows, this guy he thinks is abusive, and knows doesn't have a job is now moved in with his daughter within 2 days of that point. Add to that he was kind of running a prostitution ring from the club, he was a big time steroid dealer, (like he had an apartment just for all of his steroid supply) and sometimes ran some guns. So a nefarious dude. Well he really didn't want me to be with his daughter, and honestly now, I say that is 100% understandable and appropriate. How he chose to handle it, not so much.
One day we get a call from her Uncle, another not so great dude. He told her that her Dad just let him know that he offered his guys a couple grand to break my legs if I was still with her after this warning. So, he passed that along to us. Well, when I heard that I lost my sh*t, and we drove up to the club and I called him and his security guys out right then and there. Raging, begging any of them to give it their best shot. Got in his face and asked why his big ass was too afraid to do it himself. I begged him to do something. I was like a rabid pitbull. They basically had to have the cops threaten to arrest me to get me to calm down. Oh yeah his security thugs were to like 6'3 350-400 pound fat dudes who were really there more to sell coke and beat people up than be security. I was going off on them, calling them fat asses and pu-cies. Doing anything to get them to get mad enough to do something. C'mon, break my legs now MF'rs!!!
Realistically, I could have got myself shot, beaten severely or worse. However, to a man who lives his life trying to intimidate and show power, I earned a little respect from him by stepping up and not cowering. His daughter also told him anything happened to me she would never speak to him again. We ended up getting married, and in some ways I think it was more to spite him in some ways than her love of me. We stuck together because it was us against him, but after 2 years of that she told me get a job in 2 weeks or get out and be divorced. I had it coming, I had only been dealing weed during that time, no job. I hadn't stepped up to be a man like I promised. I got a job that next day at Wendy's and never turned back. As I got my ish together we became more cordial, and could even hold a conversation but we didn't really like each other. I knew what he had done, and I had explicitly told him what I wanted to do to him. So that kind of creates a permanent wedge. LOL
It's funny at the time, my friends and I all thought I was the man because I had sugar momma's taking care of me, and didn't have to work. Then I became a man, and realized what a loser I had been.
So, that is the story of the time my ex father in law tried to have my legs broken...
Yesterday's session was simple, just hex bar work.
20 minutes of warm up - McGill Big 3, TRX Alphabets and Rows, DB Suitcase carries
Performed with intent, and tempo adjusted to create a lot of tension in the target muscles while focusing on bracing.
Hex Bar Dead Squat - 135x10, 155x5, 175x5 x 3 sets
Hex Bar Deadlifts - 175x5 x 3 sets
I wanted to step up a little on the intensity here. I am still testing capacity and trying to figure out where my working tolerance is for these lifts. I tested the 155 for a 20lb increase and it was super easy, and no real challenge on upper back. So, I decided to give 175 a shot, considering a trip to 185, but I felt that 175 was enough work to stimulate without pressing my luck here. I am going to go to the gym here shortly and finish off my legs, and toss on some beach muscle fun.
Oh yeah, I got the rest of the week off to spend with my MIL, unfortunately I think I am in that being fed too often and the wrong things state again due to family visitors. How do you say no to someone who's love language is service and they want to feed you all the time. Especially making homemade cinnamon rolls, meatloaf and mashed taters, all kinds of comfort foods to try to spoil us. I adjusted this morning by having a cinnamon roll, and 2 scoops of Hexapro protein blend.
Dustin07
Legend
Dude WTF you need to write a book!!!
Jim was in the old forum before dapack and I came over here and he wrote this book, its a damn good read. and he's honest about shitting his pants squatting so I was cracking up. he references drug use and whatnot pretty candidly, its pretty refreshing!
Jim was in the old forum before dapack and I came over here and he wrote this book, its a damn good read. and he's honest about shitting his pants squatting so I was cracking up. he references drug use and whatnot pretty candidly, its pretty refreshing!
um, yeah this is a little too relatable right now. like last week when my wife experiemented with squash blossoms. this is BEFORE she fried them up. delicious though, haha. Yesterday I came home and she had like six loaves of chocolate zuchinni bread made.. basically giant brownies.
MrKleen73
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I may have to check that out. LOL The wild thing is there were so many things i started typing that were starting to branch off into other wild tales... Like in between the 2 years I hadn't worked the thug security guys ended up being plugs I would get an o of snow from and give to these guys to take to the club for 50% of the projected profit margin. Being an entrepreneur and all... LOL My life truly is a wild story of how did he get here, and not in jail or shot.Dude WTF you need to write a book!!!
Jim was in the old forum before dapack and I came over here and he wrote this book, its a damn good read. and he's honest about shitting his pants squatting so I was cracking up. he references drug use and whatnot pretty candidly, its pretty refreshing!
um, yeah this is a little too relatable right now. like last week when my wife experiemented with squash blossoms. this is BEFORE she fried them up. delicious though, haha. Yesterday I came home and she had like six loaves of chocolate zuchinni bread made.. basically giant brownies.
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After my brother was shot and killed at my 21st birthday party I went through a f it, nothing matters much anymore spiral because I blamed myself since he was shot at my bday party trying to protect me. So I went a little wild, drank, drugged, and dealt drugs for a bit. However that period of life left me with some doozies of stories. I don't regret any of it, because it made me who I am, and brought me to my wife and family.
Oh yeah, IU had forgotten how strong he was but that 602 bench was the world record for the masters 242 class at the time. I forgot he squatted and deadlifted that much.Now that’s a helluva story! I’d hear the abridged version but those details were epic!
He was a strong sonofabitch, no doubt. Maybe I should take more gear
He trained Anthony Clark for a good while, not sure if any of you all have been following PL long enough to know him, but Anthony was such a good dude, I remember watching him bend and break bars at the golds I was a PT at, having to help spot on occasion if one of the PL group didn't show up. He used to go to the High schools and deadlift cars and stuff talking about don't take drugs while being a walking steroid. LOL His size was almost unfortunate though, he could get winded walking across a room he was so big. You could hear every breathe he took, it was sad but not a surprise when he passed at 38.
Okay, I am an now hour away from a bowl of 93/7 spaghetti meat sauce and pasta. About to knock down 1.5 scoops of Pump Addict, and head to the gym here in about 30 minutes to get some work in.
Hyde
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Yeah and that 602 was at a time when the shirt technology was still fairly primitive - most guys were working hard to get 10% or so. You were absolutely a 5-550lb raw bencher to make 600 back in that era, no doubt. There simply was no competition besides singe-ply suits and shirts, everyone used them and they didn’t help so radically. The deadlifts always told the truth too, because you can’t really get anything out of them, maybe 20lbs.
Oh man if you don’t know who Anthony Clark was, you don’t know **** about powerlifting history, no doubt a major icon! Reverse grip bench, no less!!!
gphagan1
Legend
That was a wild story, and it did read like I was reading an excerpt out of an action novel. Actually sounds like it could be a pretty cool movie. Honestly though man the way your brother was murdered, and at your 21 birthday party no doubt, was horrible. No wonder it pushed you over the edge, but it’s awesome seeing the man, husband, and father you’ve become….that’s the ultimate victory.
Segansational
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Dang man. Truly don't know what others have been through in life. Glad you came out on the other side, but that is wild man. Lucky too brother, as that could've ended up very differently.
MrKleen73
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Sorry I have been away, when work gets busy it gets busy, and out of respect for the wife and kids I try not to spend much time on the forums at home. There was a period of time when I was repping companies, that I dedicated so much time to it that she began to resent the forums, even though she was still supportive of why I was doing it. So, I changed my behavior, the last thing I want any of them to think is that I am neglecting them.
You can probably tell by the verboseness of my posts that I enjoy writing. Hell, talking, for that matter. LOL
I have tossed around the idea of trying to write a book or something someday. I wrote a couple of short stories when I was younger. One of them was published in The Reader's Digest. Remember that old thing? That was pretty cool, I also had some poetry published in some magazine I don't remember the name of now. So I enjoy it, just need to do it every once in a while. See if something I would actually like to pursue.
Yeah, for sure could have gone worse. I have had a gun pointed at me multiple times, and had one to my head 3 times in my life, so not even the scariest things I have been through. Well the night my brother got shot was also one of the times I had a gun to my head. On top of that, I have been woken up by SWAT and DEA banging on my door with machine guns and full tactical gear. They didn't come for me, but apparently I had a few warrants for failure to appear for traffic violations. So I went to jail in February in my boxers, no shoes or socks... Found out one of the guys who had been there doing tattoos the night before was like on the top 10 most wanted lists for some wild crap. So someone tipped them he was there and they had like 25 of them. The funny thing is I had taken a lot of acid the night before like 3-4 hits, and I still had a bit of that surreal things are not quite right feeling at 6AM when they damn near took the door off the hinges and started yelling over a bullhorn. So it was even more intense to me.
Yeah, Anthony was such a good guy, and I saw that reverse grip bench many times.
LOL right, yeah man, I have so many wild stories. I put myself in a lot of interesting situations, especially being super impulsive, and high risk tolerance, if not enjoyment of risky situations. I was jumping off my roof for fun at 7 or 8 years old.lol this got wild. Leading off with his freakish lifts definitely toned down the wildness of the rest of the story though
Thanks @gphagan1 that really means a lot. (bolded)That was a wild story, and it did read like I was reading an excerpt out of an action novel. Actually sounds like it could be a pretty cool movie. Honestly though man the way your brother was murdered, and at your 21 birthday party no doubt, was horrible. No wonder it pushed you over the edge, but it’s awesome seeing the man, husband, and father you’ve become….that’s the ultimate victory.
You can probably tell by the verboseness of my posts that I enjoy writing. Hell, talking, for that matter. LOL
I have tossed around the idea of trying to write a book or something someday. I wrote a couple of short stories when I was younger. One of them was published in The Reader's Digest. Remember that old thing? That was pretty cool, I also had some poetry published in some magazine I don't remember the name of now. So I enjoy it, just need to do it every once in a while. See if something I would actually like to pursue.
Thanks, yeah a pretty wild and eventful life no doubt, but you know I don't regret a lot of it. At least the things I did. I became pretty resilient finding my way.
Yeah, for sure could have gone worse. I have had a gun pointed at me multiple times, and had one to my head 3 times in my life, so not even the scariest things I have been through. Well the night my brother got shot was also one of the times I had a gun to my head. On top of that, I have been woken up by SWAT and DEA banging on my door with machine guns and full tactical gear. They didn't come for me, but apparently I had a few warrants for failure to appear for traffic violations. So I went to jail in February in my boxers, no shoes or socks... Found out one of the guys who had been there doing tattoos the night before was like on the top 10 most wanted lists for some wild crap. So someone tipped them he was there and they had like 25 of them. The funny thing is I had taken a lot of acid the night before like 3-4 hits, and I still had a bit of that surreal things are not quite right feeling at 6AM when they damn near took the door off the hinges and started yelling over a bullhorn. So it was even more intense to me.
akboom87
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Somewild times man! Pretty sure my parents still have a tub full of readers digests. I don’t know why but when I think of readers digest I can still hear Paul Harvey on the radio, “and now you know, the rest of the story.”
MrKleen73
Legend
What is funny is I got on here to give an status update and got distracted. The last week and a half I have been pushing things harder anywhere I can. I decided what I love is the hard work, the fight, and I really need that to truly enjoy my training. I am not really worried about the neck and all of the nerve pain any longer as long as I am careful with things that cause problems. Also the issue with my AC joint, and my collarbone and therefor shoulder being unstable is simply not going to go away any time soon. So I can't keep babying it so much. I need to refrain from things that cause pain, but kick ass otherwise.
So the last 2 weeks I have really been testing limits and pushing harder in the gym.
Basically been pushing things as hard as I can on anything I feel I can safely, going to one rep before form failure, then either adding in long range partials, or 2 rest pauses on the last set of exercises depending on the movement or situation. Legs have been more sets per exercise, less exercises kind of thing. Been doing 2 compound movements
Today is a full body Muscle Round day. Then I wait a day or two and start over depending on how my shoulder is feeling. It click, pops, and snags now when I have to protract it under force. It's like the distal end of my collarbone is loosely attached, and just gets pushed around as I move through certain ranges of motion. Surprisingly it is not as painful as one would think, unless it gets really out of place like it did with overhead press last week. However it being this loose is causing more guarding, so my trap, pec, and right side of my neck and scalines get super tight when it gets pushed, but it is not something I can't work around. The way I see it, I might as well just push as hard as I can on what I can and get as much enjoyment out of training as I can.
We are 2 weeks in and I am maintaining well with MIL around making food all the time. I am not making much in the way of progress but not really backsliding, and the calories aren't hurting my training so... I am not going to stress and will clean things up once she heads back home this weekend.
So the last 2 weeks I have really been testing limits and pushing harder in the gym.
Basically been pushing things as hard as I can on anything I feel I can safely, going to one rep before form failure, then either adding in long range partials, or 2 rest pauses on the last set of exercises depending on the movement or situation. Legs have been more sets per exercise, less exercises kind of thing. Been doing 2 compound movements
Today is a full body Muscle Round day. Then I wait a day or two and start over depending on how my shoulder is feeling. It click, pops, and snags now when I have to protract it under force. It's like the distal end of my collarbone is loosely attached, and just gets pushed around as I move through certain ranges of motion. Surprisingly it is not as painful as one would think, unless it gets really out of place like it did with overhead press last week. However it being this loose is causing more guarding, so my trap, pec, and right side of my neck and scalines get super tight when it gets pushed, but it is not something I can't work around. The way I see it, I might as well just push as hard as I can on what I can and get as much enjoyment out of training as I can.
We are 2 weeks in and I am maintaining well with MIL around making food all the time. I am not making much in the way of progress but not really backsliding, and the calories aren't hurting my training so... I am not going to stress and will clean things up once she heads back home this weekend.
gphagan1
Legend
You’re like me brother….the hard work is what’s fun, mentally satisfying as well as physically. I think it makes sense, because you have found your parameters of your injuries and how you can safely train around them. And besides continuing to build the muscles around any injury area should only help in the long run. So you might as well enjoy yourself.
Rockslide
Member
I have come to the same realization over the years. Gotta work around the stuff I can and decide what level of wear and tear is safe to push through and what to work around. If I just stop my physical and mental health always suffer. More often than not this treats me well and I don’t end up making things worse and the same clinical timeframe for it to recover seems to not change. If I strain something bad and have to eliminate that muscle group all together , I’m going to find a weakness I’ve neglected due to time constraints and make it up, etc
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MrKleen73
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Yeah, I need to be able to push on something hard, otherwise I get board and disenchanted with the whole process. It is just frustrating at that point.You’re like me brother….the hard work is what’s fun, mentally satisfying as well as physically. I think it makes sense, because you have found your parameters of your injuries and how you can safely train around them. And besides continuing to build the muscles around any injury area should only help in the long run. So you might as well enjoy yourself.
Yeah, once you get to a certain age, and or level of old injuries it is kind of a rolling situation between this, that, and the other. So you have to do what you can when you can and do it hard enough to make it enjoyable.
Today is a non training day. I will either go for my walk, or do some cardio at lunch, then have an appointment for PT/Chiro this evening, and am going to go ahead and ask him to send the orders to the other place that will do the MRI for $450 instead of waiting until insurance agrees. Even though I have been in treatment for months for my neck and shoulder they want another 6 weeks of PT on my shoulder before even considering approving and even then said they would not approve the dye which I know I need because I have an anchor in my arm that creates a dead spot in the image...
I just want to know what the deal is, and what needs done to fix this. Is it a tear that must be repaired, or something we might be able to heal with prolotherapy or Stem cells. Plus I am close to my deductible so if I need something major, I want to get through the requirements in time to do something this year before I go into another years deductible.
gphagan1
Legend
Man I feel you on that, wanting to get stuff done to take advantage of your deductible. It kills me how the insurance companies make you jump through hoops to get something done even though the Doctors say you need it. They dictate too much on what the Doctors are allowed to do and it’s ridiculous, because the Doctors are the experts on your case. And to be honest sometimes I wonder if during the last few months of the year that they look for any reason to delay approval knowing we have to start all over in January building our deductible back up.
Hopefully they will approve you for your MRI so your doctor can get a jump on your treatment.
MrKleen73
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Oh, I am skipping waiting. I am going to pay the $450 out of pocket to get the MRI done, and if we find something insurance has to deal with regarding surgery, then we will present that. If not, I will be trying to figure out what things I can do outside of surgery to repair the area. To me the 450 is worth it and I will be using my FSA anyway so it make sense to use it there rather than play the delay and push away game.Man I feel you on that, wanting to get stuff done to take advantage of your deductible. It kills me how the insurance companies make you jump through hoops to get something done even though the Doctors say you need it. They dictate too much on what the Doctors are allowed to do and it’s ridiculous, because the Doctors are the experts on your case. And to be honest sometimes I wonder if during the last few months of the year that they look for any reason to delay approval knowing we have to start all over in January building our deductible back up.
Hopefully they will approve you for your MRI so your doctor can get a jump on your treatment.
akboom87
Well-known member
Smart move! And yeah that’s a great price for a MRI!
MrKleen73
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Agreed! With this one being so cheap part of me wants to have the bottom part of my neck done as well just to know what I am dealing with.
Agreed, when he told me I was shocked, I truly expected 650-800 for with and without contrast dye.
I got my walk in yesterday, it was nice, and things went well at PT/Chiro. We found that he can get my collar bone to reseat a little better using the table drops rather than the manual manipulation. Just a lot more force being applied with the drop and sudden stop with him pushing down on it. It seems to spread the bones enough that it falls back into place and feels a lot better for a little bit. This was the 2nd time since he did it and I specifically asked for it, telling him it really seemed to help more and a little longer than the other methods he has been trying to get it to settle back into place with.
I know the way I paint the picture you would think that my bone is just flopping around, but it isn't that at all, but it moves around just enough to bump into the surrounding bones in general movement, seems it is almost always popping, clicking, and ticking due to however much play it has on that distal end. It isn't always painful, but not comfortable either. When it goes too far out of place is when my whole shoulder, and trap on the right side will go into a massive guarding phase, and sometimes stay that way for hours, even days at a lower level. It was guarding so bad last week during my injections that it was squeezing the lidocaine back out as soon as she removed the needle.
The fact I am still getting in what I would consider productive training is impressive. I just have to mind movements that involve protracting the shoulder once my arm is at parallel of above my shoulder girdle. So I am not going to stop working hard.
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MrKleen73
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No doubt, I know my last one for my shoulder, my portion was like $1400 since some of it was deductible, and then the 10% on top of that. So they probably charged a lot more.
Yeah, I can see why, you need a bit of impact to move that much meat back into place. I will say it was like night and day difference in how effectively it moved my collar bone.All the strongman chiros at competitions use table drops for almost everything. When you want something done seriously, POW!Like a WWE ring
Dustin07
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I think mine was similar, I can't remember the exact details it was probably 12+ years ago. I don't even remember exactly why they did it and the decision at the time was that I had "chronic appendicitus" lol. basically the appendix had inflamed and scarred a couple times, maybe, but final outcome was "do nothing". another worthy medical bill in the books, ha.
MrKleen73
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Had a decent training session yesterday, opted for a top to bottom push session.
WU + 20 minutes General movement, Quadruped Complex, TRX Complex
Swiss Bar Floor Press - 4 sets + 2RP on last set, top set 165x9 + RP 3, RP 1
Dips 10, 10, 12 RP4, RP2
McGill Big 3
Leg Press 4 sets @250 = Top set 15ish, RP 7, RP 5 - No rep count, just perceived effort.
I was moving slow out there in the garage, so dang hot, but I got a good one in. I was soaked when I went back into the house, had to take the shirt off before I went in because it was dripping.
I am still trying to figure out how I want to shape my training moving forward. I am contemplating something similar to this, but adding a couple fluff movement, but also keep going back and forth with other attractive options. here is some of what I am considering.
One, similar to above, Upper and Lower Push and Pull days. I think something like 3-5 exercises per session, and making them alternate. Probably having 2 different push and pull plans, one vertical, and one horizontal based.
Could be something like Monday, Wednesday, Friday, or Tuesday. Thursday, Saturday rolling schedule so push and pulls both get 2 sessions a week every other week. So it would increase frequency a bit, but still allow for more recovery. Legs are intentionally placed last as they can wipe me out in the beginning of a session, and everything else becomes sub par, but I can muster and push legs hard at the end and get all the stimulation I need. I don't need bodybuilder size legs anymore, I just don't want small legs.
Push 1 Horizontal Focus + Biceps
Floor Press, Stretch Push Ups
Super Set Lateral Raises, Biceps
Leg Press, Bulgarian SS
Pull 1 Vertical Focus + Triceps
Pull Ups, Lat Pull Downs, or Straight Arm Lat Pulldowns
Superset Rear Delts, Cable Cross Triceps Ext
Hex Bar Dead lifts, Lying Leg Curls
Push 2 Vertical Focus + Biceps
Dips, Landmine Press
Super Set Medial Delts, Curls
Front / Goblet Squats, Leg Extensions
Pull 2 Horizontal Focus + Triceps
Supported Rows, Recline Rows,
Super Set Rear Delts, Triceps Ext
Hip Thrust, TRX Leg Curl or Slider Leg Curls
I ain't gonna lie, it was hard doing the lower body after the upper last night. Not quite a full body, but this really tested my work capacity, which is still much lower than I prefer..
WU + 20 minutes General movement, Quadruped Complex, TRX Complex
Swiss Bar Floor Press - 4 sets + 2RP on last set, top set 165x9 + RP 3, RP 1
Dips 10, 10, 12 RP4, RP2
McGill Big 3
Leg Press 4 sets @250 = Top set 15ish, RP 7, RP 5 - No rep count, just perceived effort.
I was moving slow out there in the garage, so dang hot, but I got a good one in. I was soaked when I went back into the house, had to take the shirt off before I went in because it was dripping.
I am still trying to figure out how I want to shape my training moving forward. I am contemplating something similar to this, but adding a couple fluff movement, but also keep going back and forth with other attractive options. here is some of what I am considering.
One, similar to above, Upper and Lower Push and Pull days. I think something like 3-5 exercises per session, and making them alternate. Probably having 2 different push and pull plans, one vertical, and one horizontal based.
Could be something like Monday, Wednesday, Friday, or Tuesday. Thursday, Saturday rolling schedule so push and pulls both get 2 sessions a week every other week. So it would increase frequency a bit, but still allow for more recovery. Legs are intentionally placed last as they can wipe me out in the beginning of a session, and everything else becomes sub par, but I can muster and push legs hard at the end and get all the stimulation I need. I don't need bodybuilder size legs anymore, I just don't want small legs.
Push 1 Horizontal Focus + Biceps
Floor Press, Stretch Push Ups
Super Set Lateral Raises, Biceps
Leg Press, Bulgarian SS
Pull 1 Vertical Focus + Triceps
Pull Ups, Lat Pull Downs, or Straight Arm Lat Pulldowns
Superset Rear Delts, Cable Cross Triceps Ext
Hex Bar Dead lifts, Lying Leg Curls
Push 2 Vertical Focus + Biceps
Dips, Landmine Press
Super Set Medial Delts, Curls
Front / Goblet Squats, Leg Extensions
Pull 2 Horizontal Focus + Triceps
Supported Rows, Recline Rows,
Super Set Rear Delts, Triceps Ext
Hip Thrust, TRX Leg Curl or Slider Leg Curls
I ain't gonna lie, it was hard doing the lower body after the upper last night. Not quite a full body, but this really tested my work capacity, which is still much lower than I prefer..
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MrKleen73
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I was considering trying to knock out my pull session yesterday since I have PT tonight, but I was so exhausted when I got home. I ended up taking a nap, waking up for dinner and then going to lay back down. A big part of that was I did my walk outside yesterday and it was close to 100 with high humidity, in the direct sun, and it took a lot out of me, and only getting 4 hours of sleep the night before didn't help. Even though I took my pre-workout at 3:30 for some reason it decided to stick around until midnight for some reason. Not common for me, but it happens on occasion.
I am probably going to go do the upper body portion of the pull session at lunch, and then hit the hinge work at home once I get home to squeeze everything in this week.
I am probably going to go do the upper body portion of the pull session at lunch, and then hit the hinge work at home once I get home to squeeze everything in this week.
Dustin07
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Naps rule!
do you find its harder to actually nap with ADHD? I basically stopped napping when I met my wife (LOL) now days it seems like when I want to sit down to rest like that, I've developed enough of her ADD that my brain can't relax until the body is full trashed cause there's always something else that needs to be done lol.
do you find its harder to actually nap with ADHD? I basically stopped napping when I met my wife (LOL) now days it seems like when I want to sit down to rest like that, I've developed enough of her ADD that my brain can't relax until the body is full trashed cause there's always something else that needs to be done lol.
MrKleen73
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Not really, however, when I decide to take a nap I am normally physically gone already. Also in true ADHD form, I do not pay attention to things I am not really interested in doing. They typically don't even cross my mind. I have to set up reminders to remember to get those type of things done. Often even when I do think of them, I get distracted and forget about them before I end up getting started. So I have back up reminders to ensure I get those things done. That being the case, Honey-do lists and challenging tasks I don't enjoy are typically not running through my mind. Even when they do, the default thought is I can do that in a minute, then the minute never seems to come and it is two hours later and I have wasted time with nonsense.
Sounds to me like you have a bit of the opposite going on. Like having things to do, and not doing them bothers you enough to keep your mind racing. Mine will just reach a point and can shut down as long as i have something to distract me, that I am not interested in enough to get wrapped up in. I have a lot of movies and the like I can put on that I know well enough to just have on in the background so they keep my mind from going off into tangents that might keep me awake.
Dustin07
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your candid description sorta cracked me up but I totally understand what you're saying. my lifting buddy with the very severe adhd and I had a talk about it one day and IIRC one of the things he talked about was the misery of routine and doing the exact same things in the exact same order every day and I was like WTF are you talking about LOL I could tell you not only the exact order of my morning from alarm > piss > brush teeth > shower > contacts > red light > deodorant > socks > etc but also the exact break down of the exact order that I do those individual tasks, like the exact order of shower > wet head/armpits > shampoo, but don't rinse > soap everything > rinse > soap hands again cause my next step is to get out and put my contacts in, etc hahahaha its like a battle of autism vs adhd for he and I
my wife didn't buy it for the longest time but now days she's recognized it and is a bit more aware (sympathetic??) to how much I struggle with changes in plans, excess amounts of house guests, etc lol.Sorta, I think some of it stems from still courting my wife in a way. I think I worked hard to impress/earn her in those early years and there is some residual obligations mentally because she is very ADHD, where I feel like if I'm not busy working then I'm letting her down I think. I'm not really entirely sure what thats all about, if she's gone I'll 100% try to sneak in 30 minutes of a video game especially with my son, and totally geek out. but there seems to be a small part of me that still feels i need to always show her how hard I'm working I think
but going back to the autist side, once the sun goes down and we've communicated the checklist is done, boy oh boy once my bed hits the pillow I'm typically out pretty fast. Only things that typically keep me from sleeping are excessive stressors that pop up in real life from time to time.
gphagan1
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That sounds more like OCD….that’s me. I pay attention to every detail, and it has to be done right or it bugs me. Of course I think that helps make me a good Engineer as well.I could tell you not only the exact order of my morning from alarm > piss > brush teeth > shower > contacts > red light > deodorant > socks > etc but also the exact break down of the exact order that I do those individual tasks, like the exact order of shower > wet head/armpits > shampoo, but don't rinse > soap everything > rinse > soap hands again cause my next step is to get out and put my contacts in, etc hahahaha its like a battle of autism vs adhd for he and I
MrKleen73
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Isn't it odd how people are wired so differently. I am super go with the flow, outside of people crossing my boundaries that is. I honestly have a hard time maintaining a schedule or doing things regularly. In fact 90% of the ADHD self help out there requires that you do certain processes over and over, and I find them useless because if i could manage those things over and over. I wouldn't need them in the first place. I forget, get overwhelmed, or just don't see the value which all lead to not doing the things. On top of that, I am kind of notification blind, I got so many notifications that my mind just stopped paying attention to any reminders or anything that is not persistent. A ding, or buzz of my phone will not even make me look at it. I had to train myself not to check everytime something went off because it would pull me off task but now a simple reminder can easily go unnoticed. I have honestly thought about making and ADHD app based on the common things to help people with ADHD but making the reminders persistent and annoying. Then call it Pester, so it won't go away completely until you actually mark a task complete. It just gets more annoying with each iteration of a reminder until you get the job done.
Now stuff i really enjoy, those are hard for me to quit, even when I know I need to be doing something else. That dang lack of executive function crap is a biatch!!! The only thing that breaks me out often is being close to a deadline and feeling the pressure to get something done. Hence why you see me giving myself ultimatums, like if I don't get in shape for this contest, I have to get on stage fat. I don't make this goal I have to do something embarrasing to me publicly. I need a hard deadline that gives me something to lose.
Also, my wife values me more for my affection and emotional support than tasks and the like. She is the one who is a little more OCD in our relationship. So she tends to help keep me pointed in the right direction. She is the worrier, and I am the if it is going to happen it is going to happen why waste energy worrying about something. So our roles are reversed a bit.
Also, when have you known me not to be candid. LOL!!!!
Now stuff i really enjoy, those are hard for me to quit, even when I know I need to be doing something else. That dang lack of executive function crap is a biatch!!! The only thing that breaks me out often is being close to a deadline and feeling the pressure to get something done. Hence why you see me giving myself ultimatums, like if I don't get in shape for this contest, I have to get on stage fat. I don't make this goal I have to do something embarrasing to me publicly. I need a hard deadline that gives me something to lose.
Also, my wife values me more for my affection and emotional support than tasks and the like. She is the one who is a little more OCD in our relationship. So she tends to help keep me pointed in the right direction. She is the worrier, and I am the if it is going to happen it is going to happen why waste energy worrying about something. So our roles are reversed a bit.
Also, when have you known me not to be candid. LOL!!!!
Ha, how funny I mentioned the OCD then saw the new post and refreshed it to see you mentioning OCD. LOL The odd thing is I love to plan, and pay a ridiculous amount of attention to detail when doing so. I just don't pay attention to details of things I am not interested in.That sounds more like OCD….that’s me. I pay attention to every detail, and it has to be done right or it bugs me. Of course I think that helps make me a good Engineer as well.
Dustin07
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I feel like adhd and above avg intelligence often go hand in hand.
Some of the brightest guys I know are very ADD/ADHD and I have seen this exact approach countless times.
"did you do this?"
"no, its dumb, I'm not doing that"
"fair enough"
MrKleen73
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It really is a thing, I didn't even realize it until I read it in an ADHD self help book and was like, yeah, that is so true. I can't tell you how often I avoid, forget, or ignore things I consider to be ceremonial rather than required for a task.I feel like adhd and above avg intelligence often go hand in hand.
Some of the brightest guys I know are very ADD/ADHD and I have seen this exact approach countless times.
"did you do this?"
"no, its dumb, I'm not doing that"
"fair enough"
I have often thought if I could just harness my intelligence that makes my dysfunctional ass still able to function very well in normal society while spending half of the time at best actually doing a task compared to others. I would be very successful. Of course by the time I am doing it, the pressure is on, and others are panicking and I am now in my wheelhouse. I respond to high stress situations like a champ. I am the calm one in the face of chaos, and failure, that is when my switch actually gets flipped. If I could access that part of me without the pressure of a looming deadline or handling an emergency I would be doing something far more productive with my time. Having a level of success I can only imagine.
That not being the case, I am grateful for my level of intelligence. It saves me in a pinch, and really shines when plan making because I tend to cut out all of the fluff, and look for the most efficient way to do something. It has to be efficient so I am not adverse to actually enacting the plan.
Dustin07
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that is not how balance works, God's plan is careful to ensure laser like focus goes to the idiots and the geniuses maintain enough distraction so that both parties end up with similar results
gphagan1
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Now wait a minute, I wouldn’t say laser focus belongs to the idiots. Some of your best engineers have laser focus, and we’re definitely not idiots. We all have gifts, and there are intelligent people with adhd, ocd, and without…and there are also idiots that have those conditions and that don’t. I think it’s more like adhd people don’t understand how ocd people operate so it doesn’t make sense and vice versa. But we all have gifts and weaknesses, and the truly “smart people” learn how to excel with their gifts and how to work around their weaknesses. We just have to embrace who we are with our strengths and weaknesses, and do the best with our abilities and it should all work out in the end.that is not how balance works, God's plan is careful to ensure laser like focus goes to the idiots and the geniuses maintain enough distraction so that both parties end up with similar results
Dustin07
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lol of course thats trueNow wait a minute, I wouldn’t say laser focus belongs to the idiots. Some of your best engineers have laser focus, and we’re definitely not idiots. We all have gifts, and there are intelligent people with adhd, ocd, and without…and there are also idiots that have those conditions and that don’t. I think it’s more like adhd people don’t understand how ocd people operate so it doesn’t make sense and vice versa. But we all have gifts and weaknesses, and the truly “smart people” learn how to excel with their gifts and how to work around their weaknesses. We just have to embrace who we are with our strengths and weaknesses, and do the best with our abilities and it should all work out in the end.
I like to look at athletes and those super stars in academia and elsewhere and then micro circles around us. my wife often looks at my step daughers, one can play any instrument in about 5 minutes, pick up a new language, aced math without trying, is an absolutely amazing artist, and has zero drive to do any of those things
the other one has busted her butt on every endeavor she's ever worked at to accomplish half as much. I told her that's exactly like my little brother and I. he could throw a spiral 100 yards, first time he picked up a bat he hit a homerun, learned how to squat in January, went A2G with 365lbs in March, should have been playing pro soccer but "meh, I didn't feel like it" and then there's me, who's much more like the step daughter haha.I always say when you see those superstars like Ohtani, Jordon, Woods, etc those are those crazy times where God was like, I'm going to mix it up this time and give this one both the drive and the talent.
Dustin07
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this is also so true
spice of life right there
MrKleen73
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Love it, not sure it works that way, but I like the genius part!that is not how balance works, God's plan is careful to ensure laser like focus goes to the idiots and the geniuses maintain enough distraction so that both parties end up with similar results
Agreed and honestly, I have some of the strongest almost unbreakable focus and attention to things I enjoy. To the point I have to force myself to stop doing things I like to do the things I need to. They call it super focus or hyper focus. I just need to learn how to harness it and make it work for me on things I am not that interested in or enjoy. I am proud of where I am and what I have achieved, but know I have the potential for much more. I just don't place a high value on a lot of the things that would motivate most others to get there. I am not very materialistic, or have a high sense of pride in achievements. However, I can't tell you how many times I have been told my relationship with my wife, and or kids are "Relationship goals" and that is what I value most in the world.Now wait a minute, I wouldn’t say laser focus belongs to the idiots. Some of your best engineers have laser focus, and we’re definitely not idiots. We all have gifts, and there are intelligent people with adhd, ocd, and without…and there are also idiots that have those conditions and that don’t. I think it’s more like adhd people don’t understand how ocd people operate so it doesn’t make sense and vice versa. But we all have gifts and weaknesses, and the truly “smart people” learn how to excel with their gifts and how to work around their weaknesses. We just have to embrace who we are with our strengths and weaknesses, and do the best with our abilities and it should all work out in the end.
MrKleen73
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Yes, this sounds a lot like me. I have always picked things up super quickly get an understanding of a lesson halfway through and become bored as it was being finished explaining. I have had a very natural athleticism and pick new things up quickly. Once good at something enough to satisfy my desire to learn it, I often drop it like I hadn't invested time in getting good at it. I have always kind of though part of my issue is starting at things good enough I was one of the best already and never bothering practicing because i was happy with being better than most with little effort over being the best but having to work extremely hard for it. I was never big on practicing anything. Especially if I had a natural talent for it.lol of course thats true
I like to look at athletes and those super stars in academia and elsewhere and then micro circles around us. my wife often looks at my step daughers, one can play any instrument in about 5 minutes, pick up a new language, aced math without trying, is an absolutely amazing artist, and has zero drive to do any of those things
I always say when you see those superstars like Ohtani, Jordon, Woods, etc those are those crazy times where God was like, I'm going to mix it up this time and give this one both the drive and the talent.
gphagan1
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Yeah, I believe God helps us balance each other out. My wife has adhd and I am ocd but we work great together and balance each other out. My oldest son has ADHD, my middle son OCD, and my youngest son has neither, but they are all a success. My oldest has to try hard to focus and finish a task, but he is great under pressure. His major weakness is he has an addictive personality, especially with alcohol, that he has battled since he was young, because that’s how he coped, but when he realized it did him and is family no good, he started working hard to get better and not give into the temptation. My middle son does great on finishing tasks and making sure it’s done right, but he has to be careful that he isn’t overbearing to others. My youngest son has been in the army since he was 18, he is 36 now, but he could of easily been a counselor because he is so good with people, and has a wisdom and understanding beyond his years. Even when he was young he was the peacemaker of the three…his older brothers would butt heads all the time and end up in fights, and he many times would break them up and help them reason through their issues.lol of course thats true
I like to look at athletes and those super stars in academia and elsewhere and then micro circles around us. my wife often looks at my step daughers, one can play any instrument in about 5 minutes, pick up a new language, aced math without trying, is an absolutely amazing artist, and has zero drive to do any of those things
I always say when you see those superstars like Ohtani, Jordon, Woods, etc those are those crazy times where God was like, I'm going to mix it up this time and give this one both the drive and the talent.
MrKleen73
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Agreed, there is something to the whole opposites attract, and I think a lot of it is the balance that it offers. Like I mentioned yesterday I think. My wife keeps me pointed in the right direction and prods me supportively when needed. I empathize with her, and help keep her from going over the edge considering she is naturally a little high strung as to where I am naturally not a worrier. We compliment and balance each other out very well.
That being said, out of my 3 kids, they all have ADHD but one of them is a super acheiver. However it is because he found what he loves, and uses his superfocus to be an amazing software engineer and now AI guru. His other areas of life, he is almost just like me. However him loving something lucrative has him set up for the win. Then some of the things his entrepreneurial grandfather instilled in him really made a big difference too.
Dustin07
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brother I'm so guilty of this myself and I really miss my drumset! My dad always said I'm just like my mom with hobbies and interests. It's like a circle that gets a little bigger every year where I add something new that I have to become hyperfocused on, totally master, then set aside to go back into the circle and start the rotation over again lol. he's probably just waiting to hear when I'm back in a band or on a mens softball team at this point
this is my household entirely
same, except in reverse
I think it was monday when my wife said "I know you've had a lot of extroverting the past four days". Now, nothing changed, the house didn't clear out, and nobody brought me a cookie, but the fact that she recognized it was huge
. Since she is the adhd one in my house one thing I have learned with her generally is just to say yes to every idea she has and let the beauty in her mind unfold. generally speaking, she will move on to something else. sometimes, I spend 6 months building that something in the rain. other times my house is filled with 8 different kinds of baked goods i'm dying just typing that out as I picture the bagels, sourdough, pretzels, zuchini bread, and brownies at home right now lol!!!