A log with vague goals

[Smont]

I’ve actually started doing my cardio now every session before I lift weights. I know it’s not optimal for hypertrophy, but it ensures I don’t skip cardio

I use to regularly do 15min on the elliptical before I would lift. I don't believe it to be counterproductive as long as your not drenched in sweat the whole time. At a moderate pace, maybe break a light sweat, I just kind of treated it as my warm-up. After that 15min and then moving on to weights for a hour, my heart rate would stay under the "fat burning zone" but it would be close. It's basically like I lifted and did an hour to an hour and 15 minutes of low intensity cardio at the same time.

Or that's how I justified it lol

 

[MrKleen73]

There is nothing that says you can't use an intra in that situation either that keeps you well fueled during your session if performance is key. The point of cardio is extra energy burned overall. Not the fat you burn during but the deficit you create with it. So if you burn 300 calories, you created a 300 calories deficit, the calories needed from fat to make up the deficit is going to be burned whether you feed during cardio or not. It will just happen later in the day.

Unless doing fasted cardio with yohimbine, there really isn't any magic in fasted cardio in the end. So just do an intra drink if your workouts suffer. No big deal.

 

[Smont]

I wanted to fire this back up. Did some oddball strength training Tuesday and it's got me itching to hit some pr's. First one was pretty gnarly, I combined a few exercises into 1 complex.

You start like a deadlift but as the bar passes your knees you get into a seated position with the bar on top of your thighs, then snake your arms underneath and scoop it up into a zurcher and walk it 10 steps into a rack. The warm up sets I did triple zurchers before the walk but I worked up to 275lbs. Gonna set a goal to hit a 315 zurcher deadlift walk or whatever you wanna call this. For me personally, there's not one part of this that feels dangerous or painful. Maybe a little stress on the knees but nothing worth complaining about. I think this on Tuesdays with a couple push exercises after..... box squats on Thursday with some pull exercises after and maybe finish with a leg press and over the weekend il do a full body that has extra leg work. Gonna be a 3 day thing. Might hit some extra shoulders or arms if I want a extra day.

Anyone got any thoughts on training this way?

 

[Hyde]

I wanted to fire this back up. Did some oddball strength training Tuesday and it's got me itching to hit some pr's. First one was pretty gnarly, I combined a few exercises into 1 complex.

You start like a deadlift but as the bar passes your knees you get into a seated position with the bar on top of your thighs, then snake your arms underneath and scoop it up into a zurcher and walk it 10 steps into a rack. The warm up sets I did triple zurchers before the walk but I worked up to 275lbs. Gonna set a goal to hit a 315 zurcher deadlift walk or whatever you wanna call this. For me personally, there's not one part of this that feels dangerous or painful. Maybe a little stress on the knees but nothing worth complaining about. I think this on Tuesdays with a couple push exercises after..... box squats on Thursday with some pull exercises after and maybe finish with a leg press and over the weekend il do a full body that has extra leg work. Gonna be a 3 day thing. Might hit some extra shoulders or arms if I want a extra day.

Anyone got any thoughts on training this way?

Congratulations; you re-invented Ed Zercher’s squat He had no rack or uprights, so he conventionally deadlifted a barbell into his lap before putting it into the crook of his elbows to then squat. And the Zercher carry is very well-established as a basic front carry - it’s the entire premise behind the Conan’s Wheel Carry strongman event, usually done on a lever around a centrally weighted hub.

The term Zercher deadlift is usually reserved for when you actually deadlift it off the floor with the crooks of your elbows, but this has you in a very deep rounded-back style that is going to be high risk until you have spent a long time building up your tissue endurance in that rounded position. Would not recommend, speaking from experience.

 

[Hyde]

But the good news is, you have great intuition for finding ways to make yourself stronger & harder to kill!

 

[Smont]

Congratulations; you re-invented Ed Zercher’s squat He had no rack or uprights, so he conventionally deadlifted a barbell into his lap before putting it into the crook of his elbows to then squat. And the Zercher carry is very well-established as a basic front carry - it’s the entire premise behind the Conan’s Wheel Carry strongman event, usually done on a lever around a centrally weighted hub.

The term Zercher deadlift is usually reserved for when you actually deadlift it off the floor with the crooks of your elbows, but this has you in a very deep rounded-back style that is going to be high risk until you have spent a long time building up your tissue endurance in that rounded position. Would not recommend, speaking from experience.

Jesus, I didn't know zurcher was part of the creators name and I've never actually heard of him. I kept seeing this kind of zurcher deadlift and it was really hard for me to do, but I'm always looking at strength training for fighters type stuff

and I saw someone else doing zurcher carries and threw it all together in a way I could do it. I'm gonna look up ed zurcher right now.

And dude ya, I feel like this is a incredible real world strength training exercise. Plus it's extra leg training. I like exercises that translate into helping you manhandle other human beings

 

[Smont]

Anyone ever do gladiator DB deadlifts? I'm think of doing these too. Mainly to help with my hip mobility tho, not so much for strength

 

[gphagan1]

Anyone ever do gladiator DB deadlifts? I'm think of doing these too. Mainly to help with my hip mobility tho, not so much for strength

I know what you’re talking about, if that’s the one where you reach across your body to grab the dumbbell beside your opposite leg, and then doing the same with the other side, and then you set them down. I think that’s what you’re talking about, but haven’t done them.

 

[beefyfan]

Is it acceptable board etiquette to post pictures of my log?

 

[Smont]

I know what you’re talking about, if that’s the one where you reach across your body to grab the dumbbell beside your opposite leg, and then doing the same with the other side, and then you set them down. I think that’s what you’re talking about, but haven’t done them.

Yes that's it

 

[Smont]

Is it acceptable board etiquette to post pictures of my log?

Ummmmmm maybe lol, like a link to the log your doing? As long as your not sending is pics of YOUR LOG

 

[Dustin07]

we used to do manmakers, but I hate zerchers just cause the discomfort of the barbell resting there. I'd likely train continental cleans before I'd go back to zerchers personally lol. not cause they're better, just cause more fun for me

 

[gphagan1]

we used to do manmakers, but I hate zerchers just cause the discomfort of the barbell resting there. I'd likely train continental cleans before I'd go back to zerchers personally lol. not cause they're better, just cause more fun for me

Man I like those…talk about an exercise that hits upper and lower, that’s the one.

 

[Dustin07]

Man I like those…talk about an exercise that hits upper and lower, that’s the one.

absolute total destruction lol. I think we used to do them with 55lb db's in wods.

 

[justeat]

@Smont

I know you briefly mentioned your experiences with HCG and Kisspeptin, but any further input on the subject? I had always used HCG right before PCT when coming off a long cycle- or- a month long cycle once or twice a year since I've been on Trt just to keep my HTPA axis awake (kind of like starting a parked car to keep the engine and battery working lol).

I just got a bottle of kisspeptin-10 and am going to give it a go to see my own thoughts, but I am really interested in dosing, and how it affected testicular atrophy and libido. Alone, and compared to HCG.

Any input greatly appreciated!

 

[Smont]

@Smont

I know you briefly mentioned your experiences with HCG and Kisspeptin, but any further input on the subject? I had always used HCG right before PCT when coming off a long cycle- or- a month long cycle once or twice a year since I've been on Trt just to keep my HTPA axis awake (kind of like starting a parked car to keep the engine and battery working lol).

I just got a bottle of kisspeptin-10 and am going to give it a go to see my own thoughts, but I am really interested in dosing, and how it affected testicular atrophy and libido. Alone, and compared to HCG.

Any input greatly appreciated!

I don't get any testicular atrophy from anything so I can't speak on that. I don't know how much it raises testosterone but I felt a uptick in sex drive, that was probably the only noticeable effect I got. I think I was using 250iu eod

 

[sammpedd88]

I don't get any testicular atrophy from anything so I can't speak on that. I don't know how much it raises testosterone but I felt an uptick in sex drive, that was probably the only noticeable effect I got. I think I was using 250iu eod

You got an uptick in sex drive from the HCG? Or the Kisspetin? My wife has been looking for a peptide for libido. She’s tried PT-141 and doesn’t really get anything out of it. Tried two different sources including MA. Not saying MA stuff is bad at all, she’s just not a responder.

 

[beefyfan]

You got an uptick in sex drive from the HCG? Or the Kisspetin? My wife has been looking for a peptide for libido. She’s tried PT-141 and doesn’t really get anything out of it. Tried two different sources including MA. Not saying MA stuff is bad at all, she’s just not a responder.

Maybe instead of watching The Hallmark channel before intimacy try some bbc videos instead. Better have a drip pan near by.

 

[sammpedd88]

Maybe i need to mind my own business and not answer questions not directed to me.

I fixed your comment

 

[beefyfan]

I fixed your comment

LMFAO!

 

[Smont]

You got an uptick in sex drive from the HCG? Or the Kisspetin? My wife has been looking for a peptide for libido. She’s tried PT-141 and doesn’t really get anything out of it. Tried two different sources including MA. Not saying MA stuff is bad at all, she’s just not a responder.

Kisspeptin 10, I don't know enough about it to make suggestions. As far as PT -141 goes, I'm not shocked, that's fairly common because most people are actually non responders. About 60% of men and women are non responders to PT 141, about 25% of men are non responders to cailis and Viagra too. But with PT it's like 66% of men and 62% of women get nothing from it

 

[sammpedd88]

Kisspeptin 10, I don't know enough about it to make suggestions. As far as PT -141 goes, I'm not shocked, that's fairly common because most people are actually non responders. About 60% of men and women are non responders to PT 141, about 25% of men are non responders to cailis and Viagra too. But with PT it's like 66% of men and 62% of women get nothing from it

I did not realize there was such a low response to PT-141. Well off to digging more on kisspeptin and oxytocin. I think oxytocin you have to be careful with due to higher doses causing feeling of trust issues and negative sociability. I don’t need my wife being in that headspace.

 

[Smont]

I did not realize there was such a low response to PT-141. Well off to digging more on kisspeptin and oxytocin. I think oxytocin you have to be careful with due to higher doses causing feeling of trust issues and negative sociability. I don’t need my wife being in that headspace.

Sooooooooo many things that we use around here won't work for everyone and it's not always the majority who have success many of these products. Cailis, Viagra, mirodenafil, ect, all of them lower my BP, all of them give me a better pump in the gym, and none of them work for me like you would expect them to tho. I notice very little difference taking a pde 5 before sex. Now to be fair, I'm kinda always ready to go if I'm in the mood, but I'd expect something noticable and I don't really. I'd say it's easier to go a second round with them, and mirodenafil seems to have a weird delayed effect for me where it doesn't work in the 3--5hour window like I'd expect but then the next day, or the next morning I should say, it seems like it's working, if I take that at night, it's likely I'm going for another round first thing in the morning lol. But it's hard to gauge if it's from that or I just woke up ready for more .

Pt 141 works for me but the dose is a little higher than typical and if I over do it, it won't go away for like 2 hours

 

[sammpedd88]

Sooooooooo many things that we use around here won't work for everyone and it's not always the majority who have success many of these products. Cailis, Viagra, mirodenafil, ect, all of them lower my BP, all of them give me a better pump in the gym, and none of them work for me like you would expect them to tho. I notice very little difference taking a pde 5 before sex. Now to be fair, I'm kinda always ready to go if I'm in the mood, but I'd expect something noticable and I don't really. I'd say it's easier to go a second round with them, and mirodenafil seems to have a weird delayed effect for me where it doesn't work in the 3--5hour window like I'd expect but then the next day, or the next morning I should say, it seems like it's working, if I take that at night, it's likely I'm going for another round first thing in the morning lol. But it's hard to gauge if it's from that or I just woke up ready for more .

Pt 141 works for me but the dose is a little higher than typical and if I over do it, it won't go away for like 2 hours

Yeah I used to love cialis and now it doesn’t have the effect it used to. Viagra still works real well for me. I haven’t given PT-141 enough time to see if I’m a responder or not.

My wife is reading up on the kisspeptin/oxytocin combo to see what’s what with it. She’s will to try just about anything peptide wise. Just hoping she can get into the Dr soon and get her labs done. I’m sure they’re pretty jacked up.

 

[gphagan1]

Yeah I used to love cialis and now it doesn’t have the effect it used to. Viagra still works real well for me. I haven’t given PT-141 enough time to see if I’m a responder or not.

My wife is reading up on the kisspeptin/oxytocin combo to see what’s what with it. She’s will to try just about anything peptide wise. Just hoping she can get into the Dr soon and get her labs done. I’m sure they’re pretty jacked up.

I’ve taken Cialis to help with blood pressure, and both it and Viagra work well at increasing libido for me. My wife, after she went through menopause, had to get estrogen prescribed because hers had gotten so low, and that helped her libido when she started that. I usually always have Viagra and Cialis around, and she has taken half of one of my 100 mg Viagra, so 50, a couple of times, and it turns that girl into an animal.
You probably would want to get your wife’s labs done, just in case her estrogen is low, which will absolutely lower her libido. But if her blood work is good, maybe let her try a low dose of Viagra if she hasn’t already.

 

[Dustin07]

I'd say it's easier to go a second round with them, and mirodenafil seems to have a weird delayed effect for me where it doesn't work in the 3--5hour window like I'd expect but then the next day, or the next morning I should say, it seems like it's working, if I take that at night, it's likely I'm going for another round first thing in the morning lol. But it's hard to gauge if it's from that or I just woke up ready for more .

I sorta subscribe to the idea of use it or lose it. A trip to pound town after a few days a way is going lead to immediate follow up trips to smashville and bangkok. momentum lol

 

[sammpedd88]

I’ve taken Cialis to help with blood pressure, and both it and Viagra work well at increasing libido for me. My wife, after she went through menopause, had to get estrogen prescribed because hers had gotten so low, and that helped her libido when she started that. I usually always have Viagra and Cialis around, and she has taken half of one of my 100 mg Viagra, so 50, a couple of times, and it turns that girl into an animal.
You probably would want to get your wife’s labs done, just in case her estrogen is low, which will absolutely lower her libido. But if her blood work is good, maybe let her try a low dose of Viagra if she hasn’t already.

I think I’m going to see if she wants to try 50mgs of Viagra and see what it does.

 

[Smont]

Fucking around with some new training, seeing what hurts, whats tight, addressing some weakness like legs (specifically my left leg) is a 1/2 inch smaller then the right and I'm training around old knees and shoulders.

Now on with the show. 196lbs. Probably just as lean as when I was 186. Not sure how lol. Probably cuz I hadn't been lifting much and I immediately started lifting again and cut the cardio down to a third of my peak.

Cycle is building up to these doses and I plan on running it for a while. (Might need to start a new year log)

Working up to

Test 600
EQ 450
Npp 150 (NPP is 150 out the gate for 4 to 5 weeks because that's usually about how long I can tolerate it before I'm getting sensitive nips. But if I can manage to avoid that, il run it longer.

When NPP is done I'm probably going to add anadrol and maybe 100mg of tren leading into my birthday in March.

Hopefully I can score 300 units of GH. Last cycle I basically used 100 units per month, I feel like 6-7 units EOD was more effective then 3 units daily. The bolus dose seemed to make me fill out and look nice and full and get crazy pumped this past summer

 

[Smont]

So I did a zurcher deadlift variation with 275 and walked it across about 10 pieces into the rack the other day. That was the first time I've ever tried a heavy searcher or anything like that. I set a goal to do 315, but honestly I think on a good day with enough gas in the tank I could probably do that now. What is a good goal to shoot for with this, does 2x bodyweight sound insane lol. At 200lbs, 1.5x be is no biggie, but to zurcher 400 from the ground and take it for a short walk. Seems a bit much. My all time best regular deadlift was 535, or 508 depending on gym vs comp. I've benched 370 in comp at 198. I can single arm snatch a full size barbell with 115 lbs as of right now.

What kind of numbers should I be chasing on this deadlift -zurcher walk

 

[gphagan1]

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Fucking around with some new training, seeing what hurts, whats tight, addressing some weakness like legs (specifically my left leg) is a 1/2 inch smaller then the right and I'm training around old knees and shoulders.

Now on with the show. 196lbs. Probably just as lean as when I was 186. Not sure how lol. Probably cuz I hadn't been lifting much and I immediately started lifting again and cut the cardio down to a third of my peak.

Cycle is building up to these doses and I plan on running it for a while. (Might need to start a new year log)

Working up to

Test 600
EQ 450
Npp 150 (NPP is 150 out the gate for 4 to 5 weeks because that's usually about how long I can tolerate it before I'm getting sensitive nips. But if I can manage to avoid that, il run it longer.

When NPP is done I'm probably going to add anadrol and maybe 100mg of tren leading into my birthday in March.

Hopefully I can score 300 units of GH. Last cycle I basically used 100 units per month, I feel like 6-7 units EOD was more effective then 3 units daily. The bolus dose seemed to make me fill out and look nice and full and get crazy pumped this past summer

That’s a good full body workout, especially with the Zurchers Deadlifts added in. I bet that Zurcher deadlift walk hit a lot in the whole back, quads, traps and rear delts. Kind of like a Zurcher’s farmer’s carry. Interested what Hyde will say on weight….. I bet anywhere in the 300s is good.
I’m thinking about adding GH to my TRT myself.

 

[LeanEngineer]

I’m thinking about adding GH to my TRT myself.

If you've got the funds to do so definitely wouldn't hurt!

 

[Smont]

When GH is around it's pretty affordable if you really think about it. 200 a kit is standard now. I paid $450 for 3 kits last year at one point.

For HRT purposes I did the math out and running HGH and test from my guy, year round at TRT to trt+ doses, cost me about 1290 to1500. It's like $100-125 a month. I could sneeze that $100 into a slot machine and have it disappear in 5 seconds.

125 a month for trt or trt plus with HGH in the picture is a grand slam

 

[Smont]

That’s a good full body workout, especially with the Zurchers Deadlifts added in. I bet that Zurcher deadlift walk hit a lot in the whole back, quads, traps and rear delts. Kind of like a Zurcher’s farmer’s carry. Interested what Hyde will say on weight….. I bet anywhere in the 300s is good.
I’m thinking about adding GH to my TRT myself.

What would you consider some holy **** numbers for someone my size. Or my weight I should say. I'm only like five nine and a half so 200 lb on me looks a lot different than 200 lb on someone who's like 6 ft 2 lol.

I got to put some update photos up soon too but I think I wanna wait a few weeks because something tells me I'm gonna put on 10-15 over the next month and I want some dramatic changes in the photos.

I haven't pushed up over 210ish in a while so I'm interested to see where that goes.

 

[Hyde]

So I did a zurcher deadlift variation with 275 and walked it across about 10 pieces into the rack the other day. That was the first time I've ever tried a heavy searcher or anything like that. I set a goal to do 315, but honestly I think on a good day with enough gas in the tank I could probably do that now. What is a good goal to shoot for with this, does 2x bodyweight sound insane lol. At 200lbs, 1.5x be is no biggie, but to zurcher 400 from the ground and take it for a short walk. Seems a bit much. My all time best regular deadlift was 535, or 508 depending on gym vs comp. I've benched 370 in comp at 198. I can single arm snatch a full size barbell with 115 lbs as of right now.

What kind of numbers should I be chasing on this deadlift -zurcher walk

My brovice is don’t set limits but don’t rush it either; slowly go up and dominate the weights you handle. Strongman is mainly more dangerous than powerlifting because you are moving in more planes of motion with weight that you might not be prepared for, even though you can deadlift/squat it up fine. It’s more important with your base of strength to be patient.

 

[gphagan1]

What would you consider some holy **** numbers for someone my size. Or my weight I should say. I'm only like five nine and a half so 200 lb on me looks a lot different than 200 lb on someone who's like 6 ft 2 lol.

I got to put some update photos up soon too but I think I wanna wait a few weeks because something tells me I'm gonna put on 10-15 over the next month and I want some dramatic changes in the photos.

I haven't pushed up over 210ish in a while so I'm interested to see where that goes.

You have a strong conventional deadlift, and if you think you could do 315 now, I still think if you hit that 350 to 375 range with that Zurchers walk would be impressive at 200 lbs. body weight. But like Hyde said I would definitely take it slow. And to be honest if you get really good at them, I wouldn’t be surprised if you did hit 400 eventually with how strong your deadlift is.

 

[Smont]

My brovice is don’t set limits but don’t rush it either; slowly go up and dominate the weights you handle. Strongman is mainly more dangerous than powerlifting because you are moving in more planes of motion with weight that you might not be prepared for, even though you can deadlift/squat it up fine. It’s more important with your base of strength to be patient.

I think that's great advice

 

[Smont]

You have a strong conventional deadlift, and if you think you could do 315 now, I still think if you hit that 350 to 375 range with that Zurchers walk would be impressive at 200 lbs. body weight. But like Hyde said I would definitely take it slow. And to be honest if you get really good at them, I wouldn’t be surprised if you did hit 400 eventually with how strong your deadlift is.

I guess my goal will be to just keep improving at it.

I mean, I'm just starting to get into these so I'd imagine I have a lot of room to progress. Il do my best to take it slow.

Knees are sore as hell today! Legs are a tiny bit sore but overall, feel

 

[Smont]

Do any of you guys use icy hot or tigerbalm to warm up your joints? I know a few ppl who put it on before they go to the gym then they start warming up whatever joints they have it on and they swear by it as part of there warm up ritual.

Also. Should I be spending a lot more time warming up with this kind of training? I was cautious the other day and spent almost 20min getting warmed up. Total work was probably a hour and a half. I got mixed responses from the people I talked to but most of them kind of seem like you should warm up more

 

[gphagan1]

I would say you probably should definitely warmup more with this type training. One, because it’s a major multi joint, multi muscle exercise, and two, you’ve had to battle numerous injuries in the past. At my age, with all the different injuries I’ve battled through, I really have to make sure I do plenty of warmups, because if I don’t I just feel stiffer and more prone to injury. And honestly if say I do a little bit too much on warmups, I still see it as beneficial and just view it as a little pre-exhaustion, but still contributing to building. But I bet as you gain more experience with that kind of training that you will get a feel for what’s best for you.
As far as using Icy Hot or Tiger balm pre-workout, I haven’t tried it, but that does make sense.

 

[LeanEngineer]

Do any of you guys use icy hot or tigerbalm to warm up your joints? I know a few ppl who put it on before they go to the gym then they start warming up whatever joints they have it on and they swear by it as part of there warm up ritual.

Also. Should I be spending a lot more time warming up with this kind of training? I was cautious the other day and spent almost 20min getting warmed up. Total work was probably a hour and a half. I got mixed responses from the people I talked to but most of them kind of seem like you should warm up more

As I'm getting older I need to do this as well and spend more time getting warmed up before getting right into it.

 

[Segansational]

Unsure about how to warm up for strongman, but I can tell you I spend 15-20 mins every morning warming up regardless of the workout focus: McGill Big 3 style, foam rolling, rotator cuff banded work. Really believe that's helped keep me largely injury free and able to keep up with 5-6 days per week working out as I've gotten older and still deal with nagging injuries.

 

[Smont]

Unsure about how to warm up for strongman, but I can tell you I spend 15-20 mins every morning warming up regardless of the workout focus: McGill Big 3 style, foam rolling, rotator cuff banded work. Really believe that's helped keep me largely injury free and able to keep up with 5-6 days per week working out as I've gotten older and still deal with nagging injuries.

I do my regular routine warm ups for everything but there typically short. 5min of light stretching and rotator cuff exercises. I do a little extra before legs too. Sometimes throw in some standing bird dogs and hip rotation. Never more then 10min total. The other day was 20.

I think I need to program my warm ups directly into my workout. When the gym is empty, I don't care if my workouts take 2 hours. I try to enjoy my workout time. But sometimes I feel like the warm-ups make me not want to do the actual workout, like I get bored before the workout starts lol.

 

[MrKleen73]

Yes, I find using the liniments, and muscle rubs preworkout to be beneficial. I prefer to get stuff from a feed store made for horses though. They just tend to be a bit more effective overall. The biggest benefit is the increased blood flow into the area, it is like a warm up to the warm up. If you have something that is a bit stiff it will start to loosen up with the increased blood flow. I find it to be quite beneficial although, I often forget about it. I need to order myself another bottle.

I would also take extra care to make sure you are nice and warm, have done some targeted bracing exercises, and maybe even a few lighter weight farmers carries or something to get the hips / lower back working well together before really loading them down and walking with heavier weight. It is the walking part that can get tricky.

 

[Smont]

Yes, I find using the liniments, and muscle rubs preworkout to be beneficial. I prefer to get stuff from a feed store made for horses though. They just tend to be a bit more effective overall. The biggest benefit is the increased blood flow into the area, it is like a warm up to the warm up. If you have something that is a bit stiff it will start to loosen up with the increased blood flow. I find it to be quite beneficial although, I often forget about it. I need to order myself another bottle.

I would also take extra care to make sure you are nice and warm, have done some targeted bracing exercises, and maybe even a few lighter weight farmers carries or something to get the hips / lower back working well together before really loading them down and walking with heavier weight. It is the walking part that can get tricky.

Mind sending a link for the horse rub . Seriously tho il give it a try.

 

[Hyde]

Yeah Jack’s blue heat /McTarnahans horse liniment is a classic. Just a very gentle warming, not hot like a capsaicin. Put that on elbows knees or even shoulders and low back if needed when it’s cold out before warmups. It kind of smells like tums.

Penetrex is a pain-reducing DMSO cream I often use on my arthritic elbow before some bench sessions. Alex Kikel said he sees it a lot with fighters and I have no complaints; smells good and not really greasy. This is just pain relief, not warmup.

 

[MrKleen73]

Yeah Jack’s blue heat /McTarnahans horse liniment is a classic. Just a very gentle warming, not hot like a capsaicin. Put that on elbows knees or even shoulders and low back if needed when it’s cold out before warmups. It kind of smells like tums.

Penetrex is a pain-reducing DMSO cream I often use on my arthritic elbow before some bench sessions. Alex Kikel said he sees it a lot with fighters and I have no complaints; smells good and not really greasy. This is just pain relief, not warmup.

The one I have been getting from the feed store is this one.

Veterinary Liniment

It smells of wintergreen instead of the usual heavy menthol smell. It works pretty much like what Hyde said about the others. Not a SPICY one.

Also, if you get eczema you might want to avoid DMSO, it is pretty hard on the skin and my eczema starts flaring badly within a day, especially this time I of year I couldn't even consider it. My skin is already on the edge.

 

[sammpedd88]

The one I have been getting from the feed store is this one.

Veterinary Liniment

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It smells of wintergreen instead of the usual heavy menthol smell. It works pretty much like what Hyde said about the others. Not a SPICY one.

Also, if you get eczema you might want to avoid DMSO, it is pretty hard on the skin and my eczema starts flaring badly within a day, especially this time I of year I couldn't even consider it. My skin is already on the edge.

Hey @MrKleen73 have you tried the peptide GHK-Cu for your skin? My wife didn’t have eczema but does have really dry skin and it’s terrible this time of the year. She’s been taking it and it’s a huge improvement on the way her skin feels.

 

[Dustin07]

Hey @MrKleen73 have you tried the peptide GHK-Cu for your skin? My wife didn’t have eczema but does have really dry skin and it’s terrible this time of the year. She’s been taking it and it’s a huge improvement on the way her skin feels.

Jennifer Anniston is the poster child for why skin care is so important. just look at what happened to her

 

[sammpedd88]

Jennifer Anniston is the poster child for why skin care is so important. just look at what happened to her

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that’s as wrong as two boys fukking!!

 

[justeat]

Do any of you guys use icy hot or tigerbalm to warm up your joints? I know a few ppl who put it on before they go to the gym then they start warming up whatever joints they have it on and they swear by it as part of there warm up ritual.

Also. Should I be spending a lot more time warming up with this kind of training? I was cautious the other day and spent almost 20min getting warmed up. Total work was probably a hour and a half. I got mixed responses from the people I talked to but most of them kind of seem like you should warm up more

After trying all different types of warmup routines (including no warmup), I've landed on doing 10-15 mins of static stretches before leg day (starting with either squat or DL), and integrated into my warmup sets. If I'm working in the 405 range, my warmup would be:
135x8, 135x8, 225x5, 315x3, 365x1... with a circuit of stretches in between each set. I keep my rep range small to not waste gas, I go for strength on the big compound lifts, so its more for getting my brain and body used to the weight.

For upper body I do some simple static stretches and some light shoulder raises.

I'm sure scientifically there are more efficient ways, but I've found this routine of warmup has kept me relatively injury free for a while!