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A log with vague goals

Cowboy.Spirit said:
That’s awesome to hear!! First person accounts are the best to learn from. What form did you take it in and from where if you’re allowed to say.

What is that passage from? A study? If so can you link it or site it? I would love to read it.
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Here’s a small write up.

Stable Gastric Pentadecapeptide BPC 157, Robert’s Stomach Cytoprotection/Adaptive Cytoprotection/Organoprotection, and Selye’s Stress Coping Response: Progress, Achievements, and the Future - PMC

We reviewed again the significance of the stable gastric pentadecapeptide BPC 157 as a likely mediator of Robert’s stomach cytoprotection/adaptive cytoprotection and organoprotection and as novel mediator of Selye’s stress coping response to ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
Cowboy.Spirit said:
That’s awesome to hear!! First person accounts are the best to learn from. What form did you take it in and from where if you’re allowed to say.

What is that passage from? A study? If so can you link it or site it? I would love to read it.
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Also my integrative dr is big on using this for stomach and gastric issues as well.
 
Cowboy.Spirit said:
That’s awesome to hear!! First person accounts are the best to learn from. What form did you take it in and from where if you’re allowed to say.

What is that passage from? A study? If so can you link it or site it? I would love to read it.
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It was MA Research BPC 157…..the same as you inject.
 
Cowboy.Spirit said:
That’s awesome to hear!! First person accounts are the best to learn from. What form did you take it in and from where if you’re allowed to say.

What is that passage from? A study? If so can you link it or site it? I would love to read it.
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If you’re interested I can pm you a link to an actual oral form of BPC that works well for stomach issues but it is pricy.
 
Yeah to be ultra clear: BPC orally is only useful for gut issues; it does not go systemic and help anything else. But if you do have gut issues, oral BPC is a proven safe option to try. Many swear by it for that, same as I would for joint pain/anti-inflammatory when injected locally.
 

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This is just a random free AI I just messed around with but......

Here's my first attempt to use AI to further understand insulin for body building type purposes.

Obviously I'm not going to just assume AI is correct. But I'm thinking stuff like this can dramatically speed up how fast I get down the rabbit hole.

Now I'm going to elaborate and see how many variables I can add.

And I'm going to choose another AI app and ask all the exact same questions and see how they match up.



Anyways, is anyone doing anything like this to do research deep dives. Like I'm sure everybody's asking questions on these things but has anyone been using them to do the research for them and then just back checking the research?

If so how's it been working for you.


At first glance it looks like it's giving safe rational doses and the situations it's applying them are exactly how I've seen them laid out many times before so I know it's heading in the right direction at least.
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Oh, and also @subweevil once I got you here, would you like to start a conversation here on 3ad. I'm not concerned with how good it may or may not be at building muscle or burning fat but everybody seems to say that the mental effects from it are fantastic and that's what I would like the direction of this conversation to go if you done mind. If it really is non suppressive and non-toxic I don't see any reason I shouldn't throw it in with my TRT and dermacrine on my cut. Im interested in the feel good aspects. I know you've already told me about it but I figured if we get the conversation going here maybe I can get some other people's opinions and feedback as well
 
Smont said:
Oh, and also @subweevil once I got you here, would you like to start a conversation here on 3ad. I'm not concerned with how good it may or may not be at building muscle or burning fat but everybody seems to say that the mental effects from it are fantastic and that's what I would like the direction of this conversation to go if you done mind. If it really is non suppressive and non-toxic I don't see any reason I shouldn't throw it in with my TRT and dermacrine on my cut. Im interested in the feel good aspects. I know you've already told me about it but I figured if we get the conversation going here maybe I can get some other people's opinions and feedback as well
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First off, much respect, man. It's an honor, and I'm happy to break down my experience with 3ad for you or anyone else.

The main reason I run it isn't even for the gym, it's for the incredible nootropic effects, the mood lift, and the sleep quality. All the physical stuff is just icing on the cake. Simply put, it makes everyday life feel better. You’re more energized, mentally sharp, rested and just firing on all cylinders.

The gym benefits are definitely there, too, my sleep is deeper, pumps are more pronounced, muscles have a slight denser, fuller look, and my intra set recovery is a faster. I noticed this a hell of a lot more when I ran it solo. When stacked, the magic gets a little watered down and I suspect it’s because it’s working to counteract the sides from other compounds.

I absolutely love this stuff. I’ve used both the transdermal and the oral versions from solid companies, had zero issues, and can highly recommend both.

Coming off wasn't a physical struggle to get back to normal. The hard part was mental, as I wrestle with demons everyday. I was seriously bummed to feel that "on top of the world" feeling fade away. It keeps you so motivated and level-headed, even deep in a cut, without any noticeable side effects. Losing the "life gains" was tougher than losing the gym gains, if that makes sense. As for strength, I didn't really lose anything that bumping my calories back to maintenance couldn't immediately fix. The gains are 100% keepable as long as you eat right and keep crushing it.

My PCT was a few weeks of enclomiphene and Torem, it was total overkill, but that’s how I operate.

Someday, I'm hoping to run it at maintenance.
 
Consider looking into nebivolol/bystolic if you are considering a beta blocker . Youre pressures are good so not sure how well you will tolerate it. It has some theoretical benefits over other beta blockers . It doesn’t suppress melatonin production, it it’s more cardioselective than other beta blockers at low doses so less likely to cause hypotension considering your pressures aren’t high, it’s a beta 3 agonist so while it probably won’t cause fat loss it also isn’t going to cause fat gain/block lipolysis, less likely to cause ED because it’s relatively cardioselective, and can block alpha receptors at higher doses

Metoprolol might be a little more selective for heart rate reduction and less BP effects but could potentially also have more of the other side effects (sleep/sex/etc)

The nice thing about nebivolol is it’s cardioselective at low doses then sprinkles in the good effects of other beta blockers like propranolol and carvedilol at higher doses without some of the less favorable side effects those drugs have
 
Rockslide said:
Consider looking into nebivolol/bystolic if you are considering a beta blocker . Youre pressures are good so not sure how well you will tolerate it. It has some theoretical benefits over other beta blockers . It doesn’t suppress melatonin production, it it’s more cardioselective than other beta blockers at low doses so less likely to cause hypotension considering your pressures aren’t high, it’s a beta 3 agonist so while it probably won’t cause fat loss it also isn’t going to cause fat gain/block lipolysis, less likely to cause ED because it’s relatively cardioselective, and can block alpha receptors at higher doses

Metoprolol might be a little more selective for heart rate reduction and less BP effects but could potentially also have more of the other side effects (sleep/sex/etc)

The nice thing about nebivolol is it’s cardioselective at low doses then sprinkles in the good effects of other beta blockers like propranolol and carvedilol at higher doses without some of the less favorable side effects those drugs have
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I actually have nebivolol on the way, I'm hoping a little 2.5-5mg dose will lower the resting heart rate enough to feel a difference, calm down and maybe reduce a little anxiety as this dose shouldn't affect BP too much. I may end up just taking 2.5 daily to start and play it by ear, or by heart rate I guess...

This is from my initial search and I actually have a client on the stuff so im gonna get some user feedback from him as well
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I took a little SLU and carderine and hit the gym this morning.

Three rounds jumping rope
Two rounds double end bag
Two rounds Shadow boxing with 3 lb dumbbells
Five rounds heavy bag
One round bare knuckle heavy bag (cool down round) low intensity on the bare knuckle.

Giant set of.......
Wide grip chins
45° incline dumbbell press
Rear delt fly
Side lateral raises × 4 sets

Super set of .......
Behind the neck press
Behind the neck pulldowns x 4 sets

Super set of......
Incline dumbbell hammer curls and overhead tricep extensions with the same dumbbells x 4 sets

I'm backing off most heavy stuff for a bit just for extra recovery to put twords my running and sparring.

I'm going to see if anybody wants to record some sparring and put it on YouTube. Maybe il be a weirdo and use YouTube to video log my cut and training (fat chance il do it) + guys are really sensitive if they have a bad spar and they don't want it online. I get that. Maybe I can upload it to a less popular type video app like rumble, then nobody will know it's there anyways 😂


3.5 hours later

Jogging 2 miles


Meal 1 was coffee cream and 30gm whey

Intra eaa's

Meal 2 steak, eggs, white rice, water

Post jog 30 gm whey

Meal 3 filet wrapped in bacon, white rice, eaa in water

Meal 4 is dinner, gonna do burgers and sweet potato fries, maybe a salad.

Il do my best not to smash a box of poptarts tonight but no promises lol


The reason every meal is beef today was just because I happen to buy 20 lb of beef Friday, I also cooked up a 10 lb package of chicken and it was all rubbery I had to throw it all in the garbage. 😢
 
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I can't teach you a thing about anything training related.... but the rubber chicken? Happens more with larger breasts. Try to get packs that have less weight. I have good luck doing that
 
jfigliuolo said:
I can't teach you a thing about anything training related.... but the rubber chicken? Happens more with larger breasts. Try to get packs that have less weight. I have good luck doing that
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Normally just to be safe I fillet them and beat the s*** out of them with a meat mallet, but I was in a rush.

Normally I do look to avoid those mutant ones but I also eat a lot of meat, so sometimes the $1.99 a pound stuff has to be my choice lol.

I will say anytime I've ever remembered to fillet them and beat the s*** out it with a meat mallet I haven't had that rubber issue
 
akboom87 said:
What is a good punching bag one that could hang in the garage and not have to wear gloves?
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Honestly you don't want to hit the bag without gloves too much. A lot of people think that it toughens up your hands and wrists but typically it does more damage than good especially if you don't know how to throw nice sharp punches. It definitely will toughen up the skin on your knuckles but don't go be in the s*** out that bag or you're going to roll your wrist and f*** your hands up. I would look into a bag that you can fill with water but definitely don't want to cheapo bag for water, if you're going to punch it bear-handed they make a sleeve that goes around the bag and it's made out of the material like a waist trainer. That will protect your hands a little bit better. But if you were trying to toughen up the skin that would defeat the purpose as well.

All I'm getting at is you might want to get a pair of gloves and some quick wraps. If you give me a second I'll link you a couple different things
 
Smont said:
Honestly you don't want to hit the bag without gloves too much. A lot of people think that it toughens up your hands and wrists but typically it does more damage than good especially if you don't know how to throw nice sharp punches. It definitely will toughen up the skin on your knuckles but don't go be in the s*** out that bag or you're going to roll your wrist and f*** your hands up. I would look into a bag that you can fill with water but definitely don't want to cheapo bag for water, if you're going to punch it bear-handed they make a sleeve that goes around the bag and it's made out of the material like a waist trainer. That will protect your hands a little bit better. But if you were trying to toughen up the skin that would defeat the purpose as well.

All I'm getting at is you might want to get a pair of gloves and some quick wraps. If you give me a second I'll link you a couple different things
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Second this, great advice right there. Bag bite, as we call it is real and sucks, so do messed up wrists.
 
That's a really good 100 lb water bag, that spring will absorb a lot of the shock on you and the house, and there's a cheap little set of bag gloves I think everything comes out to $250.

When you actually click on it I believe it goes to the 70 lb bag and you have options for 70-100-150 and 200, even a 70 is decent I like the hundred pound bag better. A 200 lb bag would be cool but it's going to take up a lot of space and it's going to be really hard to pick it up and hang it on the ceiling lol
 
Smont said:
That's a really good 100 lb water bag, that spring will absorb a lot of the shock on you and the house, and there's a cheap little set of bag gloves I think everything comes out to $250.

When you actually click on it I believe it goes to the 70 lb bag and you have options for 70-100-150 and 200, even a 70 is decent I like the hundred pound bag better. A 200 lb bag would be cool but it's going to take up a lot of space and it's going to be really hard to pick it up and hang it on the ceiling lol
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Awesome I’ll check out a 70 one and make a mount to go around the rafter. Didn’t know about the glove aspect so will definitely go with gloves!
 
akboom87 said:
Awesome I’ll check out a 70 one and make a mount to go around the rafter. Didn’t know about the glove aspect so will definitely go with gloves!
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I would, even a comfortable pair of MMA gloves is better then going bare knuckle all the time. They also make quick wrap or quick release hand wraps where instead of having to wrap the old school way your hand just kind of slides in and then you pull something tight around the wrist for a little extra support.

I like them for easy access to get them on and off but the wrist support from regular hand wraps is much better.
 
Remember with insulin you match the dose you need based on your nutrition used - you do not arbitrarily choose a dose of insulin then take X carbs to cover it unless you want to get fat. Calories still exist, unbeknownst to AI apparently lol
 
Hyde said:
Remember with insulin you match the dose you need based on your nutrition used - you do not arbitrarily choose a dose of insulin then take X carbs to cover it unless you want to get fat. Calories still exist, unbeknownst to AI apparently lol
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The research is mostly just research, I very much understand how to apply insulin to a diet, obviously I need to figure out myself as well because everyone's insulin needs are not going to be the same per gram of carbohydrates or however you want to figure it out. But anyone who follows a diet wouldn't be able to add extra carbs to match their insulin or they'd be going off their diet. Hence why you would get fat that way.

The insulin is mostly for my high carbohydrate days, the carbohydrates are a set amount and the insulin is to cover the excess load.

Some of the things I need to do is self-experimenting to see how many carbs I can handle on a high carb day again, I'm sure it's different than it was a few years ago or last year even. Let's say I can still handle 400-500 G of carbs per day but my high day calls for 700, I'm going to use the amount of insulin needed for that excess of carbs.

These aren't real numbers I'm just pulling them out of thin air.

I do know that the last time I dieted down and carb loaded and ran a couple trials around 600 G of carbs was when I'd be spilling over. I'm going to do something like that again to figure it out but also monitor my glucose and then start low.

Another random example but.....

Let's say I'm eating 800 gm carbs tomorrow and I consume 400 through the day, 200 more pre - intra workout and 200 with the post-workout meal.

Again these are completely random numbers.

In this situation I would probably apply the insulin at the post workout meal, I may use 5 units to start with this 200gm of carbs. Monitor how BG gets effected, take notes and make adjustments.

I have some experience with long acting slin, and I've used short acting slin a few random times to see what happens, I also have used the IGF variants like slin many times. (I was actually listening to the gorilla chemist the other day) He mentioned the similarities to slin and the IGF and how using IGF lr3 with insulin makes you need much less insulin.

I'm just rambling through my ADHD right now but for the most part I think I have it covered. But I wanna read as much as I can still, look at what others do too
 
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Smont said:
The research is mostly just research, I very much understand how to apply insulin to a diet, obviously I need to figure out myself as well because everyone's insulin needs are not going to be the same per gram of carbohydrates or however you want to figure it out. But anyone who follows a diet wouldn't be able to add extra carbs to match their insulin or they'd be going off their diet. Hence why you would get fat that way.

The insulin is mostly for my high carbohydrate days, the carbohydrates are a set amount and the insulin is to cover the excess load.

Some of the things I need to do is self-experimenting to see how many carbs I can handle on a high carb day again, I'm sure it's different than it was a few years ago or last year even. Let's say I can still handle 400-500 G of carbs per day but my high day calls for 700, I'm going to use the amount of insulin needed for that excess of carbs.

These aren't real numbers I'm just pulling them out of thin air.

I do know that the last time I dieted down and carb loaded and ran a couple trials around 600 G of carbs was when I'd be spilling over. I'm going to do something like that again to figure it out but also monitor my glucose and then start low.

Another random example but.....

Let's say I'm eating 800 gm carbs tomorrow and I consume 400 through the day, 200 more pre - intra workout and 200 with the post-workout meal.

Again these are completely random numbers.

In this situation I would probably apply the insulin at the post workout meal, I may use 5 units to start with this 200gm of carbs. Monitor how BG gets effected, take notes and make adjustments.

I have some experience with long acting slin, and I've used short acting slin a few random times to see what happens, I also have used the IGF variants like slin many times. (I was actually listening to the gorilla chemist the other day) He mentioned the similarities to slin and the IGF and how using IGF lr3 with insulin makes you need much less insulin.

I'm just rambling through my ADHD right now but for the most part I think I have it covered. But I wanna read as much as I can still, look at what others do too
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I know YOU know, but I’m saying that when people just ask AI, they aren’t going to necessarily get a lot of that important contextual information that helps guide/explain when/why you would use X dose in that fashion. It’s like the people that just read 500 test is a good first cycle online, so they go for it. No context.

PostWO is probably the least necessary time to use insulin, unless your bolus is particularly large then, because that’s the one time of day you have all the increased GLUT4 translocation as a result of training - it will shuttle glucose independent of insulin in whatever muscles were trained hard.

I’m not saying it’s not an ideal time, and we’re talking about only 5iu with 200g carbs post, but it’s the time that needs the least assistance to manage blood sugar, compared to say that 2nd meal of 100g earlier in a high day.
 

Hyde said:
I know YOU know, but I’m saying that when people just ask AI, they aren’t going to necessarily get a lot of that important contextual information that helps guide/explain when/why you would use X dose in that fashion. It’s like the people that just read 500 test is a good first cycle online, so they go for it. No context.

PostWO is probably the least necessary time to use insulin, unless your bolus is particularly large then, because that’s the one time of day you have all the increased GLUT4 translocation as a result of training - it will shuttle glucose independent of insulin in whatever muscles were trained hard.

I’m not saying it’s not an ideal time, and we’re talking about only 5iu with 200g carbs post, but it’s the time that needs the least assistance to manage blood sugar, compared to say that 2nd meal of 100g earlier in a high day.
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I had a bunch of stuff typed up to explain things in detail and theoretically if I was in a certain position to start and macros vs slin but it wasn't coming across correct when I read it back. At some point il DM you on it because it's probably going to be a back and forth conversation that would be better suited for when I'm actually about to start the slin.

It got me thinking tho, my high days will likely need 100gm carbs per meal plus the bolus around the workout. Id probably be best using fast acting at each meal.

I'm gonna put my ideas on hold until I get closer to using it or il forget half the conversation.

I was talking to my buddy and his last cycle he was using humalog 3x day everyday. His diet was 3 meals of just protein and carbs 75p/150c , 1 shake that was just two scoops whey + water and protein and fat before bed. He was using 10iu humalog at each of the 3 carb meals.

He was also on 10units of HGH per day and is 48 years old and possibly type 2, made me think of Paul Barnett, which also made me think about Roman Fritz. So lots of differences between the two of us, I wouldn't follow his plan but it got me thinking, some of these big guys need like 800+ carbs some days. I think Roman Frits said his high day is 1500carbs in the off-season 😂, how much insulin do you need for that!
 
Smont said:
I had a bunch of stuff typed up to explain things in detail and theoretically if I was in a certain position to start and macros vs slin but it wasn't coming across correct when I read it back. At some point il DM you on it because it's probably going to be a back and forth conversation that would be better suited for when I'm actually about to start the slin.

It got me thinking tho, my high days will likely need 100gm carbs per meal plus the bolus around the workout. Id probably be best using fast acting at each meal.

I'm gonna put my ideas on hold until I get closer to using it or il forget half the conversation.

I was talking to my buddy and his last cycle he was using humalog 3x day everyday. His diet was 3 meals of just protein and carbs 75p/150c , 1 shake that was just two scoops whey + water and protein and fat before bed. He was using 10iu humalog at each of the 3 carb meals.

He was also on 10units of HGH per day and is 48 years old and possibly type 2, made me think of Paul Barnett, which also made me think about Roman Fritz. So lots of differences between the two of us, I wouldn't follow his plan but it got me thinking, some of these big guys need like 800+ carbs some days. I think Roman Frits said his high day is 1500carbs in the off-season 😂, how much insulin do you need for that!
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Yeah that’s kind of the rub isn’t it - these guys are so averse to using fat in the diet and they can’t stomach more protein, so they try to fill all of the bulk of the calories with carbs. Combining that with extended significant GH use makes you diabetic!

You will also promote diabetes if you combine significant saturated fats with plenty of carbs. High saturated fats is only really cardiovascularly safe in a keto/lower insulin environment.

So there has to be this balance where you use more healthy fats with significant carbs to make up the extra necessary fuel, and really moderate GH and insulin/IGF1 exposure. Which real bodybuilding is not concerned with moderation for longterm, unfortunately.
 
Hyde said:
Yeah that’s kind of the rub isn’t it - these guys are so averse to using fat in the diet and they can’t stomach more protein, so they try to fill all of the bulk of the calories with carbs. Combining that with extended significant GH use makes you diabetic!

You will also promote diabetes if you combine significant saturated fats with plenty of carbs. High saturated fats is only really cardiovascularly safe in a keto/lower insulin environment.

So there has to be this balance where you use more healthy fats with significant carbs to make up the extra necessary fuel, and really moderate GH and insulin/IGF1 exposure. Which real bodybuilding is not concerned with moderation for longterm, unfortunately.
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You think pounding carbs and fat with skin and GH is a why pulumbo looked so weird, he was a big GH and slin guy and when he talks about what his diet was it had to be hundreds of grams of fat on top of the normal bro diet. Like he would eat chicken and rice 6 times a day but he would also have McDonald's and Chinese food twice a day. Even though we've seen lots of distended stomachs, his was different looking. And it got to a point where his physique just started mutating into something weird looking and misshapen 😂
 
Smont said:
You think pounding carbs and fat with skin and GH is a why pulumbo looked so weird, he was a big GH and slin guy and when he talks about what his diet was it had to be hundreds of grams of fat on top of the normal bro diet. Like he would eat chicken and rice 6 times a day but he would also have McDonald's and Chinese food twice a day. Even though we've seen lots of distended stomachs, his was different looking. And it got to a point where his physique just started mutating into something weird looking and misshapen 😂
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I believe it’s twofold: the massive quantities of food do distend the gut continually over time, and insulin resistance causing visceral fat storage (which, to your point, is easier when there’s lots of dietary fat present). Big GH use means big IGF1 levels, and big insulin use to manage that diabetes/insulin resistance (and drive more size/growth) both contribute to all that visceral fat storage. You see the same thing with gen pop diabetics; they just don’t have the titanic musculature overlay above their visceral fat (or low subq bodyfat above it obviously).

We know now that GH, Insulin & IGF1 use don’t grow your organs. In large amounts they will make you diabetic & promote visceral fat accumulation when storage is needed - as well as NAFLD.
 
Hope all is well Brother!
 
Smont said:
I'm like 40 year old child, I know 😂
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I would be kid in a toy store in your back yard! With the way these buds are looking, we are going to have to change your ID from Smont to King Keef!!!!
 
Smont said:
Day 1. 7am wake up. 15min fasted cardio while the coffee pot is brewing.

8am protein shake and start the work day.

Tonight I got some basic strength training and conditioning for 45min and high intensity cardio via heavy bag and double end bag-6rounds https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/lift-run-bang-6-week-cut.340322/
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That’s a good routine for fasted cardio. I probably need to start doing that but currently I only do cardio 2-3 time a week and jog for about 20-30 minutes steady state.
 
LeanEngineer said:
That’s a good routine for fasted cardio. I probably need to start doing that but currently I only do cardio 2-3 time a week and jog for about 20-30 minutes steady state.
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I wish I was doing it daily, I get lazy with it, especially when I'm doing cardio in the evening. But that daily morning fasted cardio, even 15min. It's a great way to start the day and sets you up for good habits. Now I feel obligated, gonna get back on that daily as I've been only doing it on my days off from work up till now
 
I’ve actually started doing my cardio now every session before I lift weights. I know it’s not optimal for hypertrophy, but it ensures I don’t skip cardio
 
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