dapack
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Thinking the rest will do good.
DaPack..Fighting Age One Day at a Time
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dapack
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July 21st, 2025 (Monday)
Weight: 200lbs
Session #1
Squats;**SBD Sleeves
2 sets 5 reps 155lbs, 205lbs
2 sets 3 reps 225lbs, 250lbs
2 sets 2 rep 275lbs, 295lbs
2 sets 1 rep 315lbs, 335lbs
Session #2
Leg Press;
7 sets 13 reps
Leg Curls;
4 sets 13 reps
Leg Ext;
4 sets 13 reps
Been 7 weeks since I did actual squats considering everything happy to get what I did. Since April been rough training and ever weeks seems like something. Thinking right now baseline bench is 275-285 and squats are 345-355. Emailed my doctor again, 3rd time, for labs on my test level so hopefully this time they will approve them. Told them been on TRT for 12 to 13 years and never been a long period, 7 weeks, where I had it tested without outside factors playing a role. Found a local place for $160 but $15 is a lot better.
Weight: 200lbs
Session #1
Squats;**SBD Sleeves
2 sets 5 reps 155lbs, 205lbs
2 sets 3 reps 225lbs, 250lbs
2 sets 2 rep 275lbs, 295lbs
2 sets 1 rep 315lbs, 335lbs
Session #2
Leg Press;
7 sets 13 reps
Leg Curls;
4 sets 13 reps
Leg Ext;
4 sets 13 reps
Been 7 weeks since I did actual squats considering everything happy to get what I did. Since April been rough training and ever weeks seems like something. Thinking right now baseline bench is 275-285 and squats are 345-355. Emailed my doctor again, 3rd time, for labs on my test level so hopefully this time they will approve them. Told them been on TRT for 12 to 13 years and never been a long period, 7 weeks, where I had it tested without outside factors playing a role. Found a local place for $160 but $15 is a lot better.
Hyde
Legend
Ulta lab tests you can order anything you like ala carte and have a Quest pull it. Can probably get total and free t for less than $160 I’d think.
dapack
Well-known member
Thanks for the help. My doctor finally put the order in for it. Recommend early morning so will have to wait until next Monday but at least will only cost $15 now.
dapack
Well-known member
July 23rd, 2025 (Wednesday)
Session #1
Deads;**Sumo
2 sets 3 reps 225lbs, 275lbs
4 sets 1 rep 315lbs, 365lbs, 405lbs, 440lbs
1 set 0 reps 475lbs
Session #2
Leg Press;
4 sets 13 reps
Lat Pull Downs;
4 sets 13 reps
Seated Rows;
4 sets 13 reps
Stiff Arm Pull Downs;
4 sets 13 reps
The way 440 moved going to say right now 455 is my max for deads. Hopefully can get back on track and start getting my numbers back up.
Session #1
Deads;**Sumo
2 sets 3 reps 225lbs, 275lbs
4 sets 1 rep 315lbs, 365lbs, 405lbs, 440lbs
1 set 0 reps 475lbs
Session #2
Leg Press;
4 sets 13 reps
Lat Pull Downs;
4 sets 13 reps
Seated Rows;
4 sets 13 reps
Stiff Arm Pull Downs;
4 sets 13 reps
The way 440 moved going to say right now 455 is my max for deads. Hopefully can get back on track and start getting my numbers back up.
dapack
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The gym that puts the best meets on out here is switching to NPL for the next couple instead of USPA. Don't know if all their meets will be NPL but really don't know how I fell about it. Last year 8,000+ completed in USPA compared to 300+. Plus is lots of just their meets to choose from. The list of up coming meets
Hyde
Legend
If it’s the same promoters running them, what I’ve found is that’s what makes the experience - that is more important than fed. But if it’s new promoters, it will be a gamble.
dapack
Well-known member
Makes sense. They put on the best meets out here hands down. They always run smooth
Hyde
Legend
Fed choice is important basically if you want to do Nationals (or Worlds), but otherwise assuming you’re okay with the equipment and lifting standards expected in a fed, the specific promoter and region is much more relevant to finding a good local meet.
How organized they are, do you agree with the judging, is there a good energy, what is the lifter population like, etc.
Sounds like that place probably has it good!
dapack
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July 28th, 2025 (Monday)
Squats;**Front, Cerberus Sleeves
2 sets 5 reps 155lbs, 185lbs
2 sets 3 reps 205lbs, 225lbs
2 sets 2 reps 245lbs, 265lbs
2 sets 1 rep 285lbs, 305lbs
Leg Press;
5 sets 13 reps
Tight on time last 2 days but finally at least got 2 weeks in a row of working out on my main lifts. Went in this morning for blood work for my test levels and I don't know what my doctor ordered but they took 7 vials. They did mention more tests, different tests, for liver and kidney's so maybe that is it. Guess will know in a couple days when I get them back.
Squats;**Front, Cerberus Sleeves
2 sets 5 reps 155lbs, 185lbs
2 sets 3 reps 205lbs, 225lbs
2 sets 2 reps 245lbs, 265lbs
2 sets 1 rep 285lbs, 305lbs
Leg Press;
5 sets 13 reps
Tight on time last 2 days but finally at least got 2 weeks in a row of working out on my main lifts. Went in this morning for blood work for my test levels and I don't know what my doctor ordered but they took 7 vials. They did mention more tests, different tests, for liver and kidney's so maybe that is it. Guess will know in a couple days when I get them back.
dapack
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July 30th, 2025 (Wednesday)
Session #1
Deads**Sumo
1 set 7 reps 225lbs
1 set 5 reps 275lbs
1 set 3 reps 315lbs
1 set 2 reps 365lbs
3 sets 1 rep 405lbs, 425lbs, 455lbs
Incline Press;
1 set 7 reps 135lbs
1 set 5 reps 155lbs
1 set 3 reps 185lbs
1 set 2 reps 205lbs
2 sets 1 rep 225lbs, 235lbs
Session #2
Lat Pull Downs;
4 sets 13 reps
Face Pulls;
4 sets 13 reps
Seated Rows;
4 sets 13 reps
Stiff Arn Pull Downs;
4 sets 13 reps
Leg Press;
5 sets 13 reps
Session #1
Deads**Sumo
1 set 7 reps 225lbs
1 set 5 reps 275lbs
1 set 3 reps 315lbs
1 set 2 reps 365lbs
3 sets 1 rep 405lbs, 425lbs, 455lbs
Incline Press;
1 set 7 reps 135lbs
1 set 5 reps 155lbs
1 set 3 reps 185lbs
1 set 2 reps 205lbs
2 sets 1 rep 225lbs, 235lbs
Session #2
Lat Pull Downs;
4 sets 13 reps
Face Pulls;
4 sets 13 reps
Seated Rows;
4 sets 13 reps
Stiff Arn Pull Downs;
4 sets 13 reps
Leg Press;
5 sets 13 reps
dapack
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August 4th, 2025 (Monday)
Session #1
Squats;**Pause/ Cerberus Sleeves
2 sets 5 reps 155lbs, 185lbs
2 sets 3 reps 205lbs, 225lbs
2 sets 2 reps 245lbs, 260lbs
2 sets 1 rep 275lbs, 290lbs
OHP's;
5 sets 5 reps 95lbs, 105lbs, 115lbs, 125lbs, 135lbs
Flat Dbl Press;
6 sets 7 reps
Session #2
Leg Press;
5 sets 13 reps
Flat Dbl Press;
4 sets 13 reps
Push Downs;
4 sets 13 reps
Session #1
Squats;**Pause/ Cerberus Sleeves
2 sets 5 reps 155lbs, 185lbs
2 sets 3 reps 205lbs, 225lbs
2 sets 2 reps 245lbs, 260lbs
2 sets 1 rep 275lbs, 290lbs
OHP's;
5 sets 5 reps 95lbs, 105lbs, 115lbs, 125lbs, 135lbs
Flat Dbl Press;
6 sets 7 reps
Session #2
Leg Press;
5 sets 13 reps
Flat Dbl Press;
4 sets 13 reps
Push Downs;
4 sets 13 reps
Dustin07
Legend
how long have you been off the TRT now?
I really don't know anything about rehabbing low T after many years of the TRT like you've done, but I know that the natty stuff I've used from @sns8778 has been great for symptoms. I can't verify that the T boosting products have "boosted" my testosterone because I haven't tested before and after but a lot of the simple things like his M-Test and alpha gel have definitely given me very alpha/high t feelings/symptoms like strong libido and overall better moods etc.
I really don't know anything about rehabbing low T after many years of the TRT like you've done, but I know that the natty stuff I've used from @sns8778 has been great for symptoms. I can't verify that the T boosting products have "boosted" my testosterone because I haven't tested before and after but a lot of the simple things like his M-Test and alpha gel have definitely given me very alpha/high t feelings/symptoms like strong libido and overall better moods etc.
lol this cracked me up
dapack
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Was 9 weeks I think after stopping and blood draw. Been taking some stuff to help get me to a new norm but don't know if it helps or not. Mood/ energy is definitely lower but use to it now and Libido is gone. Still waiting for more test to determine if I will go back on. Def not matter what will be late September if I do.how long have you been off the TRT now?
I really don't know anything about rehabbing low T after many years of the TRT like you've done, but I know that the natty stuff I've used from @sns8778 has been great for symptoms. I can't verify that the T boosting products have "boosted" my testosterone because I haven't tested before and after but a lot of the simple things like his M-Test and alpha gel have definitely given me very alpha/high t feelings/symptoms like strong libido and overall better moods etc.
lol this cracked me up
Hyde
Legend
Why are you doing this to yourself? Get the damn cystatin c and GGT panels yourself from somewhere online; you can get tested in a few days from now at a Quest. You can have accurate measurements of kidney health and liver damage in less than a week for probably under $100, but you’re walking around for months with a limp dick to save $80 on bloodwork?
Testosterone doesn’t damage the liver.
Testosterone doesn’t damage the liver.
dapack
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Will look into that. Doctors always told me being on trt can damage liver and since was high got freaked out. I know moving forward my levels will always suck unless I am on trt. Was waiting for this result just to confirm and the ultrasound on liver. Going on vacation in September and figured when I get back would be good time to jump back on. That is the main reason for wating until then. Did like 8 other blood tests and all came back good. So Def get back on soon
MrKleen73
Legend
Unfortunately that is the exact bloodwork I expected to see after being on TRT for so long. I thought of going to Clomid for TRT a while back, but after really looking into the likelihood of restarting my HPTA it just didn't make sense to put myself or my family through the hormone rollercoaster. I hope you figure things out, because I am with Hyde on this one.
Why wait until after your vacation to start feeling your best? I am confused on that one. If you have a script you can take your stuff with you so why would you want to wait to begin feeling better? It might just be me, but I would want my test high and happy on vacation. You saved for this trip to be the best experience, you gonna cut it short now?
Why wait until after your vacation to start feeling your best? I am confused on that one. If you have a script you can take your stuff with you so why would you want to wait to begin feeling better? It might just be me, but I would want my test high and happy on vacation. You saved for this trip to be the best experience, you gonna cut it short now?
dapack
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True. After reading Hydes post again I agree. Going to start tonight and will get back on 100mgs a week. Really in the end don't think 100mgs a week is doing anything in the gym but out of the gym is the key.
Dustin07
Legend
hoping you see a positive response from getting back on!
Hyde
Legend
This is what you need to do - for your actual health, physical and mental.
Physiological levels of testosterone and estrogen are important for cardiovascular, neurological, and optimal emotional health. Plus, while I appreciate having no libido isn’t actually a problem for yourself when you’re in that place, it does ultimately reduce your affection towards your partner, which can undermine your relationship subtly. You still love her just as much, she’s still your queen, but women need to FEEL your attention sometimes too. And that doesn’t happen as much when you could just care less about the intimacy.
I’d agree the difference in low to mid test may not make may not make much of a noticeable difference in the gym now, but the amount of muscle and physical capacity you’d have a year from now would certainly be compromised.
Dustin07
Legend
I've had this talk with my wife since women are obviously constantly dealing with libido issues and I've even told her that it's probably the shittiest experience to me. I can deal with bouts of depression, anger, etc but having no drive definitely makes me feel like something is missing. I'm fortunate that right now the natty stuff I get from Steve does plenty for me in that department but when people tell me they have no libido I definitely feel for them because it's like the most basic human instinct, imo.
Hyde
Legend
When you come off into a post cycle time, it’s common with test crashed to have no drive. And if using a SERM, especially Clomid, it can be even worse for some time. It’s really more like apathy, just no interest. More like simply not being thirsty, but our sexuality is also a core component of humanity. So while it may not bother someone very much actually, as it makes things less complicated, it does mess with the way they interact with others & form relationships (or not).
dapack
Well-known member
Hyde. A lot of what you said makes sense. My wife says l have not been myself in a while. The chantix messed with me and after that stopped trt. So since about mid April with all that. Will be interesting in a couple weeks comparing now to after a few weeks back on trt
Hyde
Legend
Be ready in case you get a surge of libido, or even become more assertive/excitable in daily life. My observation is it’s the changes in androgen levels that can cause this moreso than any particular dose. When you go on or up the dose in general, that’s when to really watch your behavior. But self-awareness usually makes it easy to handle.
Dustin07
Legend
is that typically a temporary swing as the body adjusts or an overall lifestyle improvement once on a permenant dose? I have a buddy close to 70 I've mentioned who has been on TRT for over a decade and I see these traits in him still to this day. I watch him closely cause to me he seems like the poster of a successful TRT administration in later years. especially when he's in a group with same aged men who are not.
Hyde
Legend
When you up the dose from what you are used to, that’s when you will be most likely to experience new behavior. Once you have been at a given protocol for some weeks, you tend to get used to it more-so (and also likely developed better coping strategies for your routine interactions).
So if someone is taking a load of gear, they might have a hard time regulating their emotions. But it will be much harder when they first go to that dose vs 6 weeks into it.
MrKleen73
Legend
I agree completely here. It is the initial bumps that have to be monitored. That first week or so is challenging, then things tend to stabilize until you bump the dose again. Smaller jumps aren't too bad, but they all seem to have an adjustment period.
dapack
Well-known member
Doing x2 a week at 50mgs. Def will keep watch on my mood swings.
dapack
Well-known member
August 10th, 2025 (Sunday)
Session #1
OHP's;
1 set 9 reps 75lbs
1 set 7 reps 95lbs
1 set 5 reps 115lbs
1 set 3 reps 135lbs
1 set 2 reps 145lbs
1 set 1 rep 155lbs
Flat Dbl Press;
7 sets 7 reps
Session #2
Flat Dbl Press;
4 sets 13 reps
Seated Dbl Press;
4 sets 13 reps
Skullies;
4 sets 13 reps
Push Downs;
4 sets 13 reps
Session #1
OHP's;
1 set 9 reps 75lbs
1 set 7 reps 95lbs
1 set 5 reps 115lbs
1 set 3 reps 135lbs
1 set 2 reps 145lbs
1 set 1 rep 155lbs
Flat Dbl Press;
7 sets 7 reps
Session #2
Flat Dbl Press;
4 sets 13 reps
Seated Dbl Press;
4 sets 13 reps
Skullies;
4 sets 13 reps
Push Downs;
4 sets 13 reps
dapack
Well-known member
A lot depends on the day. Days off sun/mon usually 1st will be 10ish and 2nd around 2ish. Wednesday when I do a double about 45mins in between. So far mood is improving a little and energy.
dapack
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August 13th, 2025 (Wednesday)
Deads;**Sumo
7 sets 3 reps 225lbs, 225lbs, 225lbs, 275lbs, 315lbs, 365lbs, 405lbs
Incline Press;
5 sets 5 reps 135lbs, 150lbs, 165lbs, 185lbs, 200lbs
Lat Pull Downs;
4 sets 11 reps
Seated Rows;
4 sets 13 reps
Straight Arm Pull Downs;
4 sets 13 reps
At least got 2 workouts in for the week. Not happy with strength but with the inconsistency it is to be expected.
Deads;**Sumo
7 sets 3 reps 225lbs, 225lbs, 225lbs, 275lbs, 315lbs, 365lbs, 405lbs
Incline Press;
5 sets 5 reps 135lbs, 150lbs, 165lbs, 185lbs, 200lbs
Lat Pull Downs;
4 sets 11 reps
Seated Rows;
4 sets 13 reps
Straight Arm Pull Downs;
4 sets 13 reps
At least got 2 workouts in for the week. Not happy with strength but with the inconsistency it is to be expected.
dapack
Well-known member
August 17th, 2025 (Sunday)
Average Weekly Weight: 197lbs
Bench;
1 set 9 reps 170lbs
1 set 7 reps 185lbs
1 set 5 reps 205lbs
1 set 3 reps 225lbs
1 set 2 reps 240lbs
1 set 1 rep 255lbs
Bench;**Pause/ Feet Up
7 sets 7 reps 135lbs
Been since coming out of covid that I have been this weak, though it was a lot worse. At least the one positive is that I can only get stronger from here.
Average Weekly Weight: 197lbs
Bench;
1 set 9 reps 170lbs
1 set 7 reps 185lbs
1 set 5 reps 205lbs
1 set 3 reps 225lbs
1 set 2 reps 240lbs
1 set 1 rep 255lbs
Bench;**Pause/ Feet Up
7 sets 7 reps 135lbs
Been since coming out of covid that I have been this weak, though it was a lot worse. At least the one positive is that I can only get stronger from here.
dapack
Well-known member
LOL honestly didn't think 100mgs a week would cause this sort of issues. Thought worst case a little dip in numbers, maybe 5% at the most. At least got what I wanted in the end and that was to see how much being on/ off trt really does effect my overall life. Never thought 100mgs would do this much.Turns out, men actually do need testosterone to function optimally
dapack
Well-known member
August 18th, 2025 (Monday)
Squats;**Front/ Cerberus Squats
2 sets 7 reps 115lbs, 115lbs
2 sets 5 reps 125lbs, 135lbs
2 sets 3 reps 145lbs, 155lbs
2 sets 2 reps 160lbs, 165lbs
2 sets 1 rep 175lbs, 185lbs
OHP's;
5 sets 5 reps 95lbs
Wasn't until last few sets left in fronts that I got it down how to hold it. Overall not a bad workout.
Squats;**Front/ Cerberus Squats
2 sets 7 reps 115lbs, 115lbs
2 sets 5 reps 125lbs, 135lbs
2 sets 3 reps 145lbs, 155lbs
2 sets 2 reps 160lbs, 165lbs
2 sets 1 rep 175lbs, 185lbs
OHP's;
5 sets 5 reps 95lbs
Wasn't until last few sets left in fronts that I got it down how to hold it. Overall not a bad workout.
Dustin07
Legend
I don't know a lot about TRT but maybe you are a strong responder in the way that I am to a lot of stuff. I have really felt like I responded strong to pretty much every minor compound I have taken. With the anavar having been my favorite, but even right now I'm only on the entirely natty stack anabolic XT and alpha one and it's night and day different using these two natural supplements vs a few weeks ago when I was taking absolutely nothing...
dapack
Well-known member
Maybe that is. Guess it does effect a lot of different things and when combined it is a huge difference.
Hyde
Legend
The reason “only 100mgs” is making such a profound impact here is because it’s correcting a severe deficiency. DaPack is in andropause - he does not make his own testosterone in any sufficient quantity. People can exist on 64oz of fluid/day for a long time in the right scenarios, but if you don’t drink for 3 days at all you’re probably going to die soon.
Furthermore, drinking a gallon per day doesn’t double your health or vitality, but it can certainly improve things somewhat further. Hormones are a bit like that. You can do a lot on a little, but if you have none at all then things can really start to go to hell - and taking more isn’t going to be multiplicative.
dapack
Well-known member
Makes sense like that. When yiu have zero doesn't take a lot to move things in the right direction
MrKleen73
Legend
Yep, when you are at 38, it only takes getting to 76 to 2x, and to get to even 600 that is pretty much 16x what your natural levels are. So yeah, it is going to be a substantial difference.
dapack
Well-known member
August 20th, 2025 (Wednesday)
Session #1
Deads;**Sumo
4 sets 3 reps 225lbs (DE)
6 sets 2 reps 275lbs, 300lbs, 325lbs, 350lbs, 375lbs, 400lbs
Incline Press;
5 sets 3 reps 135lbs, 155lbs, 170lbs, 185lbs, 200lbs
1 set 2 reps 215lbs
Session #2
Leg Press;
5 sets 9 reps
Lat Pull Downs;
4 sets 13 reps
Face Pulls;
4 sets 13 reps
Seated Rows;
3 sets 13 reps
Stiff Arm Pull Downs;
3 sets 13 reps
Cannot remember the last time 400x2 was actually hard. As long as I stay healthy still planning on doing the meet Dec 6th which would be 10 weeks out after I get back from vacation in Sept. Will be probably one of my worst meets but every meet has it's own storyline to it, so not worried about what may happen.
Session #1
Deads;**Sumo
4 sets 3 reps 225lbs (DE)
6 sets 2 reps 275lbs, 300lbs, 325lbs, 350lbs, 375lbs, 400lbs
Incline Press;
5 sets 3 reps 135lbs, 155lbs, 170lbs, 185lbs, 200lbs
1 set 2 reps 215lbs
Session #2
Leg Press;
5 sets 9 reps
Lat Pull Downs;
4 sets 13 reps
Face Pulls;
4 sets 13 reps
Seated Rows;
3 sets 13 reps
Stiff Arm Pull Downs;
3 sets 13 reps
Cannot remember the last time 400x2 was actually hard. As long as I stay healthy still planning on doing the meet Dec 6th which would be 10 weeks out after I get back from vacation in Sept. Will be probably one of my worst meets but every meet has it's own storyline to it, so not worried about what may happen.