DaPack..Fighting Age One Day at a Time

June 15th, 2025 (Sunday)

Weight: 206lbs

Session #1
Deads;**Sumo
3 sets 2 reps 225lbs (DE)
5 sets 1 rep 275lbs, 315lbs, 365lbs, 405lbs, 435lbs

RDL's;
4 sets 7 reps 155lbs, 170lbs, 185lbs, 200lbs

Session #2
Leg Press;
5 sets 7 reps

Lat Pull Downs;
4 sets 13 reps

Face Pulls;
4 sets 13 reps

Going to experiment with deads to and for 5 to 6 weeks switch up the main lift. Next week will be RDL's and deficits.
 
June 16th, 2025 (Monday)

Session #1
Bench;**Pause
5 sets 5 reps 155lbs, 170lbs, 175lbs, 200lbs, 215lbs

Bench;
4 sets 2 reps 230lbs, 245lbs, 260lbs, 275lbs

CGBP's;
4 sets 5 reps 155lbs, 170lbs, 185lbs, 200lbs

Bench;
1 set 50 reps 90lbs

Session #2
Flat Dbl Press;
4 sets 13 reps

Seated Dbl Press;
4 sets 13 reps

Push Downs;
4 sets 13 reps
 
dapack said:
Main reason is I have been on TRT for 12+ years and just really want to know naturally what is going on compared to when I am on TRT. My current dosage is 100 a week and cannot see it helping more than 5% max in the gym but would really like to know how much it does. I always want to compare all the labs when on and not just to see if it where it makes a difference. Results always come back good, though liver been a tad high lately, and honestly for some reason prostrate has been a concern though nothing is there to be worried about. Will probably try and get in early July and most likely will be back on after that. Also, last 8 weeks been on a new prescription that messed be all up and want to make sure all is right because of that.
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How do you intend to quantify the difference since it has been 12 years since you have been off, and you will need several weeks for your own testosterone to have any chance of restoring. No way I would want to let my test crash completely then wait a couple of months with no TRT just to verify that needed TRT is beneficial. Even if you didn't need it previously, after 12 years you more than likely do now, and without a strong focus on resetting with some SERMS, and maybe HCG you probably won't restart at all, or VERY little. What were your natty test levels when you got on the trt, because it will be much lower now after 12 years of suppression. On top of that you will want to let your test rest at whatever level it does get to before drawing bloods if you really want to know what has changed since then. It just sounds like a miserable 4-6 months without TRT just to verify you are getting something out of having normal testosterone levels compared to low ones.

Have you checked into that new medicine to see if it affects liver values? It could be that causing the liver values to rise, and not the testosterone. It would be worth looking into.

Either way, good luck with the experiment. Just make sure if you are going to do it, that you do it right and give the body 6-8 weeks to settle into the new testosterone level after a good recovery period or the whole thing was for nothing.
 
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How do you intend to quantify the difference since it has been 12 years since you have been off, and you will need several weeks for your own testosterone to have any chance of restoring. No way I would want to let my test crash completely then wait a couple of months with no TRT just to verify that needed TRT is beneficial. Even if you didn't need it previously, after 12 years you more than likely do now, and without a strong focus on resetting with some SERMS, and maybe HCG you probably won't restart at all, or VERY little. What were your natty test levels when you got on the trt, because it will be much lower now after 12 years of suppression. On top of that you will want to let your test rest at whatever level it does get to before drawing bloods if you really want to know what has changed since then. It just sounds like a miserable 4-6 months without TRT just to verify you are getting something out of having normal testosterone levels compared to low ones.

Have you checked into that new medicine to see if it affects liver values? It could be that causing the liver values to rise, and not the testosterone. It would be worth looking into.

Either way, good luck with the experiment. Just make sure if you are going to do it, that you do it right and give the body 6-8 weeks to settle into the new testosterone level after a good recovery period or the whole thing was for nothing.
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My liver was always a little elevated, think just how things are, and this new medicine is linked to higher elevation. I have stopped it a couple weeks ago, new prescription, and figured in the next few weeks will go in get some blood work done. My test level is usually sub-100 when not on TRT and at my current does of 100mg and 2.5 days after injection when I get my blood work it sits usually around 450ish.
 
I don't know enough about plummeting test levels or pct after real big cycles but from personal experience if you get serious about this my biggest thought and concern would be mood management. Maybe I'm wrong there and obviously kleen and hyde are the guys to ask but whatever supplements you move to post trt, I'd think that keeping your mood elevated should be a very high priority to avoid depression. especially considering your line of work and how hard it can be on the body and sleep.

For me, state of mind is literally like 99% of my life. if my mood sours, it really ruins life. Gotta work hard to keep that part of me healthy.
 
dapack said:
Main reason is I have been on TRT for 12+ years and just really want to know naturally what is going on compared to when I am on TRT. My current dosage is 100 a week and cannot see it helping more than 5% max in the gym but would really like to know how much it does. I always want to compare all the labs when on and not just to see if it where it makes a difference. Results always come back good, though liver been a tad high lately, and honestly for some reason prostrate has been a concern though nothing is there to be worried about. Will probably try and get in early July and most likely will be back on after that. Also, last 8 weeks been on a new prescription that messed be all up and want to make sure all is right because of that.
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But testosterone is not hard on the liver, certainly not at regular dosages anyway.

This is like doing completely beltless competitive strength training, even though you will always compete with a belt - it’s a waste of time that puts you at extra risk for no potential reward.

Except beyond being a huge derailment to any training progress, you’re also looking at all of the very real health consequences of being hypogonadal. You will lose a lot of muscle that you may well struggle to ever restore without significant AAS use later, which would be entirely counterproductive to the logic of stopping even 100mg TRT.

Dustin07 said:
I don't know enough about plummeting test levels or pct after real big cycles but from personal experience if you get serious about this my biggest thought and concern would be mood management. Maybe I'm wrong there and obviously kleen and hyde are the guys to ask but whatever supplements you move to post trt, I'd think that keeping your mood elevated should be a very high priority to avoid depression. especially considering your line of work and how hard it can be on the body and sleep.

For me, state of mind is literally like 99% of my life. if my mood sours, it really ruins life. Gotta work hard to keep that part of me healthy.
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Yes this is greatly overlooked; people have become suicidal even with the bleakness and lack of dopamine a zero-androgen environment can bring. Cortisol control, things like ashwagandha in products like SNS Stress & Anxiety, Mood Support XT, etc are definitely ideal. Mind and body are linked, and when you feel bad life is bad.
 
Hyde said:
But testosterone is not hard on the liver, certainly not at regular dosages anyway.

This is like doing completely beltless competitive strength training, even though you will always compete with a belt - it’s a waste of time that puts you at extra risk for no potential reward.

Except beyond being a huge derailment to any training progress, you’re also looking at all of the very real health consequences of being hypogonadal. You will lose a lot of muscle that you may well struggle to ever restore without significant AAS use later, which would be entirely counterproductive to the logic of stopping even 100mg TRT.


Yes this is greatly overlooked; people have become suicidal even with the bleakness and lack of dopamine a zero-androgen environment can bring. Cortisol control, things like ashwagandha in products like SNS Stress & Anxiety, Mood Support XT, etc are definitely ideal. Mind and body are linked, and when you feel bad life is bad.
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You make a all good points. If my blood work always comes back pretty good don't know why all of a sudden I got scared about what little I do. Will get blood work order and get back on it this weekend.
 
June 18th, 2025 (Wednesday)

Weight: 206lbs

Front Squats;**Cerberus Sleeves
4 sets 5 reps 135lbs, 135lbs, 135lbs, 155lbs
3 sets 3 reps 170lbs, 185lbs, 205lbs
2 sets 1 rep 215lbs, 230lbs

Squats;**Box, 12"; Cerberus Sleeves
4 sets 5 reps 135lbs

Flat Dbl Press;
5 sets 7 reps

Biceps;
50 reps

Almost every set of fronts ended with a Zecher rep. Lower back was pretty toasty after fronts so did really light work on box squats. First time in like 10 weeks got all my lifts in and now come next week again don't know what I will be able to do. Will concentrate on main lifts and worry about the other stuff if there is time.
 
dapack said:
You make a all good points. If my blood work always comes back pretty good don't know why all of a sudden I got scared about what little I do. Will get blood work order and get back on it this weekend.
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Even with natty supplements I occasionally get burnt out and get a desire to not have any single supplement at all for a month or 6 but it never lasts, by the time I finish off something I'm ready to try something else, lol.
 
dapack said:
You make an all good points. If my blood work always comes back pretty good don't know why all of a sudden I got scared about what little I do. Will get blood work order and get back on it this weekend.
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Essentially, the only health reasons you’d stop a true and low dose of pharmaceutical-grade legitimate testosterone would be something either like prostate cancer, or blood thickness uncontrollable even with methods like phlebotomy, diet adjustment, IP6/chelation, switching to transdermal application, etc.

Bloodwork should always be the first line if you suspect anything, or just peace of mind. It’s not that tough for most to get in 2-4x a year.
 
Hyde said:
Essentially, the only health reasons you’d stop a true and low dose of pharmaceutical-grade legitimate testosterone would be something either like prostate cancer, or blood thickness uncontrollable even with methods like phlebotomy, diet adjustment, IP6/chelation, switching to transdermal application, etc.

Bloodwork should always be the first line if you suspect anything, or just peace of mind. It’s not that tough for most to get in 2-4x a year.
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Got my lipid and a1c blood work back and both are on the higher end of average. Was expecting as much with weight gain, 210lbs this morning. Asked for a full panel but that is all my doctor ordered. Will see if I can get the rest, full panel done. Some reason been worried about prostrate cancer and that is what started this. Never been anything out of the abnormal so think that way though. Maybe just aging is getting into my head.
 
dapack said:
Got my lipid and a1c blood work back and both are on the higher end of average. Was expecting as much with weight gain, 210lbs this morning. Asked for a full panel but that is all my doctor ordered. Will see if I can get the rest, full panel done. Some reason been worried about prostrate cancer and that is what started this. Never been anything out of the abnormal so think that way though. Maybe just aging is getting into my head.
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Yep, that’s what happens when you gain weight & makes sense. Have your PSA (prostate specific antigen) drawn on bloodwork for sure. I pull it annually even at my age just because of gear use, to make sure it’s not high - and at your age, have them do a manual finger exam for polyps. Early detection is key to beating it. My wife’s manager was saved only because he was proactive with his screening.
 
June 29th, 2025 (Sunday)

Average Weekly Weight: 209lbs

Session #1
Bench;
3 sets 7 reps 155lbs, 170lbs, 185lbs
3 sets 5 reps 205lbs, 225lbs, 240lbs
2 sets 3 reps 255lbs, 270lbs
2 sets 1 rep 280lbs, 290lbs

CGBP's;
4 sets 5 reps 135lbs, 155lbs, 165lbs, 185lbs

Bench;**Rest/ Pause
1 set 60 reps

Session #2
Flat Dbl Press;
4 sets 13 reps

Seated Dbl Press;
4 sets 13 reps

Seated Triceps Ext;
4 sets 13 reps

Hopefully can finally get all my lifting sessions in weekly for awhile. Nothing on the calendar for 11 weeks so should be good to go. Gained almost 25lbs in 10 weeks since quitting nicotine and finally not feeling starving all the time. Still feel always hungry but can work with that over starving.
 
dapack said:
June 29th, 2025 (Sunday)

Average Weekly Weight: 209lbs

Session #1
Bench;
3 sets 7 reps 155lbs, 170lbs, 185lbs
3 sets 5 reps 205lbs, 225lbs, 240lbs
2 sets 3 reps 255lbs, 270lbs
2 sets 1 rep 280lbs, 290lbs

CGBP's;
4 sets 5 reps 135lbs, 155lbs, 165lbs, 185lbs

Bench;**Rest/ Pause
1 set 60 reps

Session #2
Flat Dbl Press;
4 sets 13 reps

Seated Dbl Press;
4 sets 13 reps

Seated Triceps Ext;
4 sets 13 reps

Hopefully can finally get all my lifting sessions in weekly for awhile. Nothing on the calendar for 11 weeks so should be good to go. Gained almost 25lbs in 10 weeks since quitting nicotine and finally not feeling starving all the time. Still feel always hungry but can work with that over starving.
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Congrats on quitting nicotine that’s the hardest thing there is! Many health markers will thank you
 
Congratulations. I tend to fight with nicotine myself. It is a back and forth battle for me. My wife, and daughter both have vapes all the time so often after stopping for a while I end up breaking again. If they didn't smell and taste so damn good it would be easier.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Congratulations. I tend to fight with nicotine myself. It is a back and forth battle for me. My wife, and daughter both have vapes all the time so often after stopping for a while I end up breaking again. If they didn't smell and taste so damn good it would be easier.
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I’ve seen more than half the people at the barbell club quit them more than once, and they always get pulled back to sucking down Berry-blowjob or whatever their flavor of the week is. Or loading up on Zyns and such, back and forth.

I’m like don’t you people realize your cardiovascular system could tolerate a lot more gear longterm before death if you cut that useless cardio-toxin out?? 😂 You gotta think about this in terms of steroid milligrams you’re missing out on!
 
Hyde said:
I’ve seen more than half the people at the barbell club quit them more than once, and they always get pulled back to sucking down Berry-blowjob or whatever their flavor of the week is. Or loading up on Zyns and such, back and forth.

I’m like don’t you people realize your cardiovascular system could tolerate a lot more gear longterm before death if you cut that useless cardio-toxin out?? 😂 You gotta think about this in terms of steroid milligrams you’re missing out on!
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There is an RFK video going around where he is saying he needs to get Vapes banned from the States because they make you gay 😂 😂 😂 I mean obv it's AI but it's funny as hell.

even Hubberman talks about the benefits of nicotine but the problem is both the dosage, and the delivery methods.
 
Hyde said:
But testosterone is not hard on the liver, certainly not at regular dosages anyway.

This is like doing completely beltless competitive strength training, even though you will always compete with a belt - it’s a waste of time that puts you at extra risk for no potential reward.

Except beyond being a huge derailment to any training progress, you’re also looking at all of the very real health consequences of being hypogonadal. You will lose a lot of muscle that you may well struggle to ever restore without significant AAS use later, which would be entirely counterproductive to the logic of stopping even 100mg TRT.


Yes this is greatly overlooked; people have become suicidal even with the bleakness and lack of dopamine a zero-androgen environment can bring. Cortisol control, things like ashwagandha in products like SNS Stress & Anxiety, Mood Support XT, etc are definitely ideal. Mind and body are linked, and when you feel bad life is bad.
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SkRaw85 said:
Congrats on quitting nicotine that’s the hardest thing there is! Many health markers will thank you
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Hyde said:
Wallet won’t complain either, once he gets his food bill in check anyway!
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MrKleen73 said:
Congratulations. I tend to fight with nicotine myself. It is a back and forth battle for me. My wife, and daughter both have vapes all the time so often after stopping for a while I end up breaking again. If they didn't smell and taste so damn good it would be easier.
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Thanks. One reason the past 10 weeks or so been messed up lifting. Chantix totally messed me up. Stopped at week 6 because was super depressed, fatigue, agitated.. stuff def worked and have left over if I fall off the wagon but the side effects and having to go through them again is enough to think twice.
 
June 30th, 2025 (Monday)

Squats;**Box 12", Cerberus Sleeves
3 sets 5 reps 135lbs, 155lbs, 175lbs
3 sets 3 reps 195lbs, 215lbs, 235lbs
3 sets 2 reps 255lbs, 275lbs, 290lbs
1 set 1 rep 305lbs

Squats;**Pause
4 sets 5 reps 135lbs, 165lbs, 185lbs, 205lbs

No time for 2nd session. 12" box squats are pretty brutal compare to the 18" one I usually do.
 
July 2nd, 2025 (Wednesday)

Session #1
Deads;**Sumo
2 sets 3 reps 225lbs, 275lbs
5 sets 1 rep 315lbs, 365lbs, 405lbs, 440lbs, 475lbs

RDL's;
4 sets 5 reps 185lbs, 205lbs, 225lbs, 245lbs

OHP's;
2 sets 5 reps 95lbs, 110lbs
1 set 4 reps 125lbs
1 set 3 reps 140lbs
1 set 2 reps 155lbs
1 set 1 rep 170lbs

Session #2
Leg Press;
6 sets 9 reps

Lat Pull Downs;
4 sets 13 reps

Stiff Arm Pull Downs;
4 sets 13 reps

Really confused with how the last 12 weeks have been I could come in and pull 475 with a little extra left, probably +10lbs.
 
dapack said:
Thanks. One reason the past 10 weeks or so been messed up lifting. Chantix totally messed me up. Stopped at week 6 because was super depressed, fatigue, agitated.. stuff def worked and have left over if I fall off the wagon but the side effects and having to go through them again is enough to think twice.
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My buddy used Chantix for a while, but gave up on it because of the sides. It did help him get through the first week but he stopped because he said, Yeah, I don't want to smoke anymore, I don't want to do anything anymore. He said the kicker was his woman wanting sex, and he was like... I don't really feel like it right now.

Obviously that didn't go over too well, she was hurt and felt rejected. He felt so bad he said he was just going to give up on that and hope he was far enough along to stay off of cigarettes. I think he is still a non-smoker, of course it helps that he was the only nicotine user in the house and she encouraged him to stay away. Not actually that easy for someone who plays in a band a few nights a week, and has a few drinks when he does. So pretty impressive still.
 
MrKleen73 said:
He said the kicker was his woman wanting sex, and he was like... I don't really feel like it right now.

Obviously that didn't go over too well, she was hurt and felt rejected.
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this is one of the funniest double edged sword realities of being married lol. you either want it too much or not enough but either way she's going to have an argument in the chamber and ready 😂 😂
 
18” box is way to high for you. 16” is 2” above comp parallel for me at 5’10”, and I only use it for hypertrophy volume.

12” is probably ideal for you to train comp depth consistently.

Dustin07 said:
There is an RFK video going around where he is saying he needs to get Vapes banned from the States because they make you gay 😂 😂 😂 I mean obv it's AI but it's funny as hell.

even Hubberman talks about the benefits of nicotine but the problem is both the dosage, and the delivery methods.
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It is gay 😂

But in all seriousness, Chris Duffin was saying the effective dose of nicotine for all the performance/nootropic benefits is 0.5mg (HALF a milligram) during the necessary task. Everyone is addicted because they’re using 4-20x that at a time, throughout the day.
 
Hyde said:
18” box is way to high for you. 16” is 2” above comp parallel for me at 5’10”, and I only use it for hypertrophy volume.

12” is probably ideal for you to train comp depth consistently.



It is gay 😂

But in all seriousness, Chris Duffin was saying the effective dose of nicotine for all the performance/nootropic benefits is 0.5mg (HALF a milligram) during the necessary task. Everyone is addicted because they’re using 4-20x that at a time, throughout the day.
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Yeah, these damn vapes give you a firehose worth of nicotine. I feel it was easier to quit smoking cigarettes than these vapes.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yeah, these damn vapes give you a firehose worth of nicotine. I feel it was easier to quit smoking cigarettes than these vapes.
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Having never done either but just watching people over the years, that seems to be the consensus. You have to make a decision to light a new cigarette that then has to burn out; there’s a definable consumable unit. But these insidious vapes just let you take a single drag at any moment’s notice, endlessly, like an IV push-button that’s always right at hand. Those bastards knew exactly what they created.

Something that I’ve seen help people cut back is keeping it put away, off their person, so that they have to go use it the way someone would need to go take a smoke break. But even still, you can just vape your ass off then, no metering. And people who switch to lower nicotine concentrations tend to just vape even more to compensate, so cold turkey is the most practical solution.
 
Hyde said:
Having never done either but just watching people over the years, that seems to be the consensus. You have to make a decision to light a new cigarette that then has to burn out; there’s a definable consumable unit. But these insidious vapes just let you take a single drag at any moment’s notice, endlessly, like an IV push-button that’s always right at hand. Those bastards knew exactly what they created.

Something that I’ve seen help people cut back is keeping it put away, off their person, so that they have to go use it the way someone would need to go take a smoke break. But even still, you can just vape your ass off then, no metering. And people who switch to lower nicotine concentrations tend to just vape even more to compensate, so cold turkey is the most practical solution.
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Agreed, and with nicotine, I think cold turkey is honestly the best way to go anyway. The nicotine leaves your system so quickly, after 3 days without using things have already changed drastically, the nicotine is gone, and the drive to hit it as an addiction goes away. Then it just becomes a bad behavioral habit that you have to remind yourself not to touch or it will pull you right back in. It is the habitual behavior stuff that gets you back in at that point, and then the body gets nicotine and addictive behavior returns immediately. I know in my dumbass mind there is always that thought I can have this just this one time, and I will be fine tomorrow, just don't hit it in the morning, and everything will be fine. AS IF!!!!!
 
Hyde said:
18” box is way to high for you. 16” is 2” above comp parallel for me at 5’10”, and I only use it for hypertrophy volume.

12” is probably ideal for you to train comp depth consistently.



It is gay 😂

But in all seriousness, Chris Duffin was saying the effective dose of nicotine for all the performance/nootropic benefits is 0.5mg (HALF a milligram) during the necessary task. Everyone is addicted because they’re using 4-20x that at a time, throughout the day.
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yeah I've seen discussion around the idea of 2 to 4mg tabs of nicotine administered 1-2x's per week potentially as a viable "healthy" use of nicotine.

so then you consider something like zyns at 3-6mg consumed 10x per day, or the vapes all day long... not even close.
 
July 7th, 2025 (Monday)

Average Weekly Weight: 205lbs

Bench;
2 sets 7 reps 155lbs, 170lbs
3 sets 5 reps 185lbs, 205lbs, 225lbs
3 sets 3 reps 240lbs, 255lbs, 270lbs
2 sets 1 rep 280lbs, 290lbs

CGBP;
4 sets 5 reps 135lbs, 155lbs, 170lbs, 190lbs

Bench;**Rest/ Pause
1 set 50 reps 100lbs

Just cannot cut a break. Hurt my left thigh at work on Saturday and doctors said it is swollen and have a deep contusion. It is getting better each day but no lower body happen this week. At least it was just my thigh and my knee is 100% fine.
 
Sorry to hear about the thigh; like you said just muscular is a big silver lining! Nice benching.

Maybe you can still get away with something like good mornings, and/or back extensions holding a barbell depending on where you set the pad (Rubish Raises).

How did the 50-rep set go? I don’t know that I’ve ever done that.
 
I hope your recovery is very quick, and complete!
 
Dustin07 said:
oh man I hope heals up quick!
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Thanks.
Hyde said:
Sorry to hear about the thigh; like you said just muscular is a big silver lining! Nice benching.

Maybe you can still get away with something like good mornings, and/or back extensions holding a barbell depending on where you set the pad (Rubish Raises).

How did the 50-rep set go? I don’t know that I’ve ever done that.
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Really weird how the body is. Week before at 95lbs did in about 6 rest/pause and this session once I hit 26 reps was 2 reps at a time with rest/pause. Probably about about 14 pauses. Pretty grueling but a nice finisher. Pump is huge.
MrKleen73 said:
I hope your recovery is very quick, and complete!
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Thanks. Feeling a lot better and should be good to go. Still sore a little but overall feeling pretty good.
 
That is great to hear!
 
July 14th, 2025 (Monday)

Bench;
2 sets 5 reps 165lbs, 185lbs
2 sets 3 reps 205lbs, 225lbs
2 sets 2 reps 245lbs, 260lbs

1 set 50 reps 100lbs**Rest/Pause

Not much time so did what I could. Last 10 to 12 weeks just cannot get in any kind of groove.
 
dapack said:
July 14th, 2025 (Monday)

Bench;
2 sets 5 reps 165lbs, 185lbs
2 sets 3 reps 205lbs, 225lbs
2 sets 2 reps 245lbs, 260lbs

1 set 50 reps 100lbs**Rest/Pause

Not much time so did what I could. Last 10 to 12 weeks just cannot get in any kind of groove.
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Maybe it is time for a week or so of active recovery, you beat yourself down for so long with the constant peaking, and competing. It might be beneficial to just be active and stay out of the gym for a week or so. Pushing hard and not seeing what you want for it for 10-12 weeks sure seems like you probably need more recovery.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Maybe it is time for a week or so of active recovery, you beat yourself down for so long with the constant peaking, and competing. It might be beneficial to just be active and stay out of the gym for a week or so. Pushing hard and not seeing what you want for it for 10-12 weeks sure seems like you probably need more recovery.
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Being so inconsistent I think is the biggest. How I plan on moving forward should be lighter weights.
 
Dustin07 said:
what did you end up deciding on the TRT? I imagine if you had cut that back at all it would have a substantial short term effect-
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Waiting on my doctor. My liver and kidney came back high on last weeks lab. She wants me to have an ultrasound on my liver. In the past she said if my liver stays high would stop trt. Been 6 weeks I think since my last shot. Hoping justvside effects of the chantix
 
Hopefully so, but if I had to choose between TRT and chantix i know what my choice would be. if it was the testosterone I would think it would have dropped by now because it is not very liver intensive, and by a few weeks after a methylated oral most people's liver seems to be doing okay. So one would think 6 weeks after the shots stopped your levels should be good if not being caused by something else. hoping for the best!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Hopefully so, but if I had to choose between TRT and chantix i know what my choice would be. if it was the testosterone I would think it would have dropped by now because it is not very liver intensive, and by a few weeks after a methylated oral most people's liver seems to be doing okay. So one would think 6 weeks after the shots stopped your levels should be good if not being caused by something else. hoping for the best!
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That is what I am thinking. Hopefully will work itself out in a couple months
 
dapack said:
That is what I am thinking. Hopefully will work itself out in a couple months
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If you are looking at that kind of timeline to figure this out, some 60-72 hour fasts will tune the liver up fast in the absence of continued stressors. Strips the fat out of it, improving insulin resistance and reversing NAFLD, amongst other positive things.
 
Hyde said:
If you are looking at that kind of timeline to figure this out, some 60-72 hour fasts will tune the liver up fast in the absence of continued stressors. Strips the fat out of it, improving insulin resistance and reversing NAFLD, amongst other positive things.
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Never knew that. On the wait list for ultrasound, earliest date is October so hopefully get in sooner. Had some in late Aug but almost 1.5 hrs away.
 
I see a few other chimed in on Chantix, we had a friend who was on it. A few weeks in, she was in the shower and just suddenly had thoughts of killing herself, completely out of character as she was not prone to depression. Instantly dropped it.
As a former all day snuff enthusiast, i gotta say cold turkey is the only way. You got this Pack 💪🏻
 
SkRaw85 said:
I see a few other chimed in on Chantix, we had a friend who was on it. A few weeks in, she was in the shower and just suddenly had thoughts of killing herself, completely out of character as she was not prone to depression. Instantly dropped it.
As a former all day snuff enthusiast, i gotta say cold turkey is the only way. You got this Pack 💪🏻
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Yeah, that stuff hit me hard. At almost 12 weeks so pretty much everything is getting back to normal. They have coffee pouches so been using those when I get an urge for a chew. Appetite is finally back to normal too.
 
dapack said:
They have coffee pouches so been using those when I get an urge for a chew. Appetite is finally back to normal too.
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I think picking up and keeping a lot of gum in your car helps, also sunflower seeds give your mouth something to do but are messy. I'd end up with a tall paper coffee cup completely full of them I'd have to empty out regularly when making long drives for work, lol
 
dapack said:
Yeah, that stuff hit me hard. At almost 12 weeks so pretty much everything is getting back to normal. They have coffee pouches so been using those when I get an urge for a chew. Appetite is finally back to normal too.
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Holt’s alfalfa chew is a good chem free oral fixation too. Used that for a few weeks to “get my fix”. Those other nic free ones taste like garbage.
 
July 21st, 2025 (Sunday)

Session #1
Bench;
2 sets 5 reps 170lbs, 185lbs
2 sets 3 reps 200lbs, 215lbs
2 sets 2 reps 225lbs, 245lbs
2 sets 1 rep 260lbs, 275lbs

OHP's;
1 set 5 reps 95lbs
1 set 4 reps 115lbs
1 set 3 reps 135lbs
1 set 2 reps 150lbs
1 set 1 rep 165lbs

Session #2
Flat Dbl Press;
4 sets 13 reps

Skullies;
4 sets 13 reps

Push Downs;
4 sets 13 reps

Issues with right shoulder so for next 4 weeks no flat barbell work.
 
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