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A log with vague goals

Smont said:
First meal was 4oz steak, a egg, handful of cheddar and mozzarella mix. A little more then a quarter cup of cottage cheese and some veggies. Coffee w/cream ×3.

Next is a 16oz on the bone pork chop so probably more like 10-11oz and 1/2 cup noodles with sugar free teriyaki, liquid aminos and some sesame seeds
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this is what we ran last night, not as clean but the sliced ribeye was 🔥 🔥

Smont said:
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Actually haven't done the curls yet but it's 100 degrees in here and my class quit early lol
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that 475 pull is awesome! I've beat the **** out of my feet so bad over the years I never lift barefood, even just a tiny bit of padding from my flats helps a lot.

Hyde said:
You probably need a bigger meal prior to these, or some simple carbs during. All of my training sessions are about 100-150 minutes, and I always drink 50g Karbolyn during them, with added sodium & some other stuff. But having that during makes a big difference in helping sustain blood sugar.
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I used to mix mine into aminos for like intraworkout when I was running my 2hr xfit training sessions and I feel like performance pretty much ran at the same RPM the whole time. Or on occasion I might just throw it into preWO. extra sodium I didn't really embrace until you introduced me to it, but now it's just our daily regiment.
 
Dustin07 said:
this is what we ran last night, not as clean but the sliced ribeye was 🔥 🔥



that 475 pull is awesome! I've beat the **** out of my feet so bad over the years I never lift barefood, even just a tiny bit of padding from my flats helps a lot.



I used to mix mine into aminos for like intraworkout when I was running my 2hr xfit training sessions and I feel like performance pretty much ran at the same RPM the whole time. Or on occasion I might just throw it into preWO. extra sodium I didn't really embrace until you introduced me to it, but now it's just our daily regiment.
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The bottoms of my feet actually hurt all the time. I've done a lot of damage myself over the years from jumping off of things and breaking little bones in my feet spraining my ankles and a broken calcaneus at one point.

So my feet just kind of always hurt but I'm used to it I guess
 
Smont said:
The bottoms of my feet actually hurt all the time. I've done a lot of damage myself over the years from jumping off of things and breaking little bones in my feet spraining my ankles and a broken calcaneus at one point.

So my feet just kind of always hurt but I'm used to it I guess
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Yeah some of the stuff you’ve gone through is wild to me, like jumping off a roof onto concrete & whatnot.

I’ve sprained my left ankle bad 3 times when younger, then tripped on a Farmer’s run once with well over 400lbs & tore something in the top of that foot since I was dehydrated - ever since that, I have always had a lot of foot & ankle pain. I’ve also definitely come close to tearing that Achilles, with some tendonitis from heavy truck pull training. So mine has always been an issue as well. It usually aches for a few days after I’ve squat over 400lbs, and when I get up from bed I usually hobble some until that ankle loosens up.

BUT it’s all gotten a lot less painful since switching to wearing zero-drop, unpadded shoes year-round. It’s not an easy transition, but it did help make my feet stronger it seems.
 
Hyde said:
Yeah some of the stuff you’ve gone through is wild to me, like jumping off a roof onto concrete & whatnot.

I’ve sprained my left ankle bad 3 times when younger, then tripped on a Farmer’s run once with well over 400lbs & tore something in the top of that foot since I was dehydrated - ever since that, I have always had a lot of foot & ankle pain. I’ve also definitely come close to tearing that Achilles, with some tendonitis from heavy truck pull training. So mine has always been an issue as well. It usually aches for a few days after I’ve squat over 400lbs, and when I get up from bed I usually hobble some until that ankle loosens up.

BUT it’s all gotten a lot less painful since switching to wearing zero-drop, unpadded shoes year-round. It’s not an easy transition, but it did help make my feet stronger it seems.
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I don't have any special advice but one thing I noticed that really makes my feet feel good is walking barefoot in the grass and my garden. Something about the soft cool ground and it molds to your feet and maybe it's in my head but I swear by it.

Do you have a high arch or flatter foot? My arch is stupid high. Feet look like stilettos 😂
 
Smont said:
I don't have any special advice but one thing I noticed that really makes my feet feel good is walking barefoot in the grass and my garden. Something about the soft cool ground and it molds to your feet and maybe it's in my head but I swear by it.

Do you have a high arch or flatter foot? My arch is stupid high. Feet look like stilettos 😂
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Ahhh see no been flat as a pancake since I was little. Squatting probably hasn’t helped anything either.

But barefoot in grass does always feel great, ever since I was little.
 
My son's birthday and since carbs have been very low.........


Cheat day!!!!!!
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Had coffee and a doughnut while I was at the gym doing shoulders 🤣 🤣 🤣 finished that with a RTD shake, then I had a McDonald's $6 McDouble meal.

Up next is robot sushi?
 
Hyde said:
I don’t know what robot sushi is but that sounds like a great birthday experience in my book!
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I was under the impression the servers were all robots lol. But there's 1 robot server and everyone else is just normal people 😂
 
I stayed at a hotel not too long ago and needed more towels and robot brought them to me :ROFLMAO: I feel like this is going to increase dramatically over the next few years and become the norm.
 
I'm thinking about ordering a new glucose monitor and doing the sugar diet for a week just to see what my blood sugar does, anyone intrigued? And is this why after a carb load I always loose weight the first day lol
 
I'm just reading into this. Sounds like protein will screw up the process so you gotta do legit sugar, soda, candy and fruit for the whole day.

Chase irons is doing this but then adding a meat and rice meal at the end. Says blood sugar spikes and drops back down quickly.

I've read like 50 different things and I'll see a lot of conflicting information but I also see a lot of people who are pretty nutritionally sound saying that it doesn't screw up your blood sugar for some reason.

So I'm really interested in this, not because I like the idea of eating all this useless garbage I just want to see how it affects blood sugar and body composition.

I'd prefer to eat nutritionally dense foods most of the time. And then binge on my sugar and fat combos like Oreos and zebra cakes 😋 lol
 
Smont said:
I'm just reading into this. Sounds like protein will screw up the process so you gotta do legit sugar, soda, candy and fruit for the whole day.

Chase irons is doing this but then adding a meat and rice meal at the end. Says blood sugar spikes and drops back down quickly.

I've read like 50 different things and I'll see a lot of conflicting information but I also see a lot of people who are pretty nutritionally sound saying that it doesn't screw up your blood sugar for some reason.

So I'm really interested in this, not because I like the idea of eating all this useless garbage I just want to see how it affects blood sugar and body composition.

I'd prefer to eat nutritionally dense foods most of the time. And then binge on my sugar and fat combos like Oreos and zebra cakes 😋 lol
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Don’t forget pop tarts!
 
Interested in seeing your results with the sugar diet. I always try to avoid sugary things as I end up crashing an hour later pretty much every time, at least mentally
 
Smont said:
I'm thinking about ordering a new glucose monitor and doing the sugar diet for a week just to see what my blood sugar does, anyone intrigued? And is this why after a carb load I always loose weight the first day lol
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I'm skeptical, but intrigued by this. I was just listening to the Hammer & Chisel podcast where they had on Mark Bell and he was talking about the sugar diet. Seems contrary to just about every bodybuilding nutrition idea out there, but if you do decide to run it - let us know how it goes for you!
 
Joshlm69 said:
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Interested in seeing your results with the sugar diet. I always try to avoid sugary things as I end up crashing an hour later pretty much every time, at least mentally
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the only results I'm really looking for are blood sugar numbers. Ppl are using this diet to cut which seems easy if you stick to fruit, juice and gummy bears. There's very little calories in those things. I would never be able to hit my macros 3500 calories for the day eating bananas apples juice and candy 😂 so I would loose weight fast. But I'm not looking to eat garbage and get no nutrients while trying to load up my cycle to hold on to muscle. No thanks. I'm really just interested to see what it does to my blood sugar sugar level.

This actually isn't a new diet. I've seen ppl use similar styles of eating nothing but fruit and juice to promote gastric emptying but it's a short term thing.
 
Il be honest, I don't think I can even do this diet because it's so opposite of my normal.

I normally start my day with a bunch of coffee with cream and no sugars, meat and eggs is ideal on a off day. I been doing protein oats bowls or Greek yogurt with granola and a pb-fit Pbj on training days.
 
Dustin07 said:
man good luck to you, even a donut makes me feel like absolute trash lol.
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A donut would not be allowed on this diet, fat is not allowed you have to eat nothing but sugar.

This is a legit sugar diet, no protein no fat, just sugar.

If you actually look into the guy who's been promoting this he recommends people drink water mixed with sugar all day lol
 
I definitely think it could lower blood sugar very quickly after a spike. I am not really familiar with the diet at all but I have a lot of knowledge on how insulin and BG interact. I have been looking into that since my family proved to be Type 2 Diabetes prone, over 20 years ago. A sugar spike with nothing else to slow it down is going to be very transient. Of course that has to do with the application, IE timing. I would assume it is not a steady flow of sugar throughout the day but separate "feedings" that allow the blood sugar to swing, drive a big insulin release then causing you to go hypo shortly thereafter. If that were done multiple times a day, I can see it keeping blood sugar lower throughout a decent part of the day.

What is the preferred application of the process?
 
Smont said:
Il be honest, I don't think I can even do this diet because it's so opposite of my normal.

I normally start my day with a bunch of coffee with cream and no sugars, meat and eggs is ideal on an off day. I been doing protein oats bowls or Greek yogurt with granola and a pb-fit Pbj on training days.
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Yeah when I read it, I understood what you were saying about it, and why, but I really did wonder if you could do it, because it is so contrary to the way most of us think. I mean I know we talk about our sweet tooth vices on a cut, but basically having to do mainly sugar would be harder than a standard cut with no junk food to me. I mean you’re the one I got some of the creative ideas for food like substituting Greek yogurt for dressing and creative things with meals so they are not so boring on a cut. So I thought it would be hard because of the way you have already programmed your brain. I mean don’t get me wrong, if you are willing to be the Guinea pig I would be interested, but truthfully I don’t know if I could stick with it, I love my protein too much, and I believe I would be drained of energy by the time I workout in the evenings.🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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gphagan1 said:
Yeah when I read it, I understood what you were saying about it, and why, but I really did wonder if you could do it, because it is so contrary to the way most of us think. I mean I know we talk about our sweet tooth vices on a cut, but basically having to do mainly sugar would be harder than a standard cut with no junk food to me. I mean you’re the one I got some of the creative ideas for food like substituting Greek yogurt for dressing and creative things with meals so they are not so boring on a cut. So I thought it would be hard because of the way you have already programmed your brain. I mean don’t get me wrong, if you are willing to be the Guinea pig I would be interested, but truthfully I don’t know if I could stick with it, I love my protein too much, and I believe I would be drained of energy by the time I workout in the evenings.🤷🏻‍♂️
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I would imagine you would have an pre/intra drink during training to bring BG back up during training. However yeah, I imagine it doesn't feel too good on the body.
 
Like you said, caloric restriction alone should ensure it works for fat loss, and all of the frequent insulin release should help retain muscle somewhat.

I just really don’t want to eat that way. I believe I’d miss savory things and meat too much. That sounds much harder for me to maintain than even a rabbit starvation/PSMF style cut of just protein shakes or meat & veggies for a short period, no fat or carbs. I’m not saying I couldn’t do it for a day or two, if I can fast for a week I can do anything for a week, but it sounds tough to me compared to protein only or a keto diet or extended fasting even.

I’d love to hear your thoughts and results, even just subjective without glucose readings.
 
Anyone who has even slightly any interest in this I urge you to do some research because I don't think anyone in here understands the sugar diet nor do I fully understand it. but this isn't about eating junk food, it's specifically about eating just sugar and avoiding amino acids and leucine and fat to get your body to produce a hormone that it normally cannot produce in the presence of leucine and fat. So your automatically eating less calories cuz let's face it, you can't overeat fruit and gummy bears unless you force yourself. When you remove fat from the equation it's very hard to overeat calories.

So your on lower calories, your getting that initial gastric emptying, and upregulating a fat burning hormone you normally would not.

That's where the fast initial changes would have to come into play through those three things.

I can't imagine anybody would try to do this long-term because of all the nutritional deficiencies and without any protein there's only so long you're going to be able to do this without wasting away.

That's why some people incorporate a meat and rice meal at the end of the day a very lean protein source and just plain white rice. And sometimes there even putting sugar on there rice for more calories 😂.


I mean at the same time this could all just be a bunch of b*******, you can lose weight eating Oreos every day if your entire daily calories was like 8 Oreos lol.

I'd imagine if my days are running off of two bananas two packs of gummy bears and a liter of orange juice that's only like 1500 calories, I'm going to lose weight.

But what I really want to see is what happens to my blood sugar
 
Maybe I'll play around with this in the next day or two just to kind of see what I feel like making it through my morning up into my evening training session on sugar only
 
Hyde said:
Like you said, caloric restriction alone should ensure it works for fat loss, and all of the frequent insulin release should help retain muscle somewhat.

I just really don’t want to eat that way. I believe I’d miss savory things and meat too much. That sounds much harder for me to maintain than even a rabbit starvation/PSMF style cut of just protein shakes or meat & veggies for a short period, no fat or carbs. I’m not saying I couldn’t do it for a day or two, if I can fast for a week I can do anything for a week, but it sounds tough to me compared to protein only or a keto diet or extended fasting even.

I’d love to hear your thoughts and results, even just subjective without glucose readings.
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I'm really just interested myself. Even if this works amazing I still wouldn't be able to recommend it to anybody because it's just so goddamn unhealthy lol.

And like you said I would start to miss all the savory things.
 
Smont said:
I'm really just interested myself. Even if this works amazing I still wouldn't be able to recommend it to anybody because it's just so goddamn unhealthy lol.

And like you said I would start to miss all the savory things.
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I cannot see how it lines up with someone training at all; I don’t see a way for your body to recover any muscle damage besides pulling aminos from other muscles to fix the damaged ones. You would need to do it for stretches between lifting, like extended fasting, just with less results but not feeling so rough.
 
Smont said:
I'd imagine if my days are running off of two bananas two packs of gummy bears and a liter of orange juice that's only like 1500 calories, I'm going to lose weight.
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you could throw in local honey for the added benefits that honey provides if you're going straight sugar anyways.
 
Ahhh. So there is a special formula so to speak. I was only talking about for the blood sugar aspect. Interesting the MOA is adjusting to let a specific hormone to do something. Even though this does not sound like something i would do for very log I am intrigued if that works super well or if it is just the deficit. I also kind of wonder if that benefit outweighs the Thermic Effect from protein consumption, or if this is a case of zooming in too close on something, and losing the big picture.
 
Hyde said:
I cannot see how it lines up with someone training at all; I don’t see a way for your body to recover any muscle damage besides pulling aminos from other muscles to fix the damaged ones. You would need to do it for stretches between lifting, like extended fasting, just with less results but not feeling so rough.
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There's no situation where I see this diet working for anything long term other then being weak, sick and skinny. I definitely think this is a short term "hack" that will probably end up getting horribly abused
 
MrKleen73 said:
Ahhh. So there is a special formula so to speak. I was only talking about for the blood sugar aspect. Interesting the MOA is adjusting to let a specific hormone to do something. Even though this does not sound like something i would do for very log I am intrigued if that works super well or if it is just the deficit. I also kind of wonder if that benefit outweighs the Thermic Effect from protein consumption, or if this is a case of zooming in too close on something, and losing the big picture.
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From everything Im seeing, adding protein hinders the fat loss. But you do finish the day with lean protein

I think this is going to be one of those weird situations where everybody just needs to pretend the rules of dieting don't apply. Because this isn't a sustainable diet. Think about the weird s*** that coaches have people do during peak week or in a carb load that completely disagrees with every rule about nutrition we know.

I think this is going to be a similar situation
 
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Dustin07 said:
you could throw in local honey for the added benefits that honey provides if you're going straight sugar anyways.
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Fruit with honey is on the meal plan 👍👍.

MrKleen73 said:
Ahhh. So there is a special formula so to speak. I was only talking about for the blood sugar aspect. Interesting the MOA is adjusting to let a specific hormone to do something. Even though this does not sound like something i would do for very log I am intrigued if that works super well or if it is just the deficit. I also kind of wonder if that benefit outweighs the Thermic Effect from protein consumption, or if this is a case of zooming in too close on something, and losing the big picture.
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Hyde said:
I cannot see how it lines up with someone training at all; I don’t see a way for your body to recover any muscle damage besides pulling aminos from other muscles to fix the damaged ones. You would need to do it for stretches between lifting, like extended fasting, just with less results but not feeling so rough.
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**** it, tomorrow and Thursday il try it.

I'm gonna go come up with a game plan.

I'm thinking coffee or tea with carbs for breakfast, water and carbs for lunch, coffee or tea with carbs pre workout and a bowl of sugar for dinner.

What could go wrong lol
 
I'm actually 20min into a deep dive on this right now and I missed some key factors. You can finish the day with lean meat and vegetables and a protein shake or whatever to get the protein for the day. I'm gonna shut up till I understand everything better. But it looks like sugar all day and lean meat and vegetables for dinner
 
Tomorrow I'm having black ice coffee with 4 tablespoons of sugar, I'm going to snack on 2 bags of gold bears and some fruit juice at work.
A RTD protein shake before the gym and Gatorade during the gym and I'm going to do a half pound of chicken breast with steamed vegetables and low fat salad dressing. After that I'll have a bowl of cereal with fairlife milk. This only gives me 120ish grams of protein per day. I'm going to do it for 2 days, make notes and Friday is the 4th of July I'm going to be eating food off the grill all day so that'll be a day off, Saturday il eat mostly protein and Sunday Monday Tuesday il go back to the sugar diet with 120pro and make notes again. Then I'll take a day or 2 off and tighten down a little, I'll drop the pre workout protein shake for more sugar lol, and increase my meat with dinner and so on

I'm still reading and trying to understand this. If anybody has any ideas or concerns speak up as Id like to make note of anything and everything you guys wanna know. I came off eq and I'm now on 450 test, 2 unit's of GH and I'm gonna use a little adex when needed. That should help with muscle loss.


 
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I know mark bell is a mastermind with marketing but he also practices what he preaches.

There's a lot of good explanations in this one
I'm only 20min in so long way to go

 
So to make the diet more sustainable (il have to meal prep shop) but I'm already seeing lots of ways we can make this more sustainable.


Breakfast - hot or cold tea with honey, a bagel or low fat bread with jam or honey.

Banana, berries and some low protein sugar based yogurt (any kids yogurt)

Pre and intra workout - fruit juice or Gatorade and gold bears or any kind of candy with glucose syrup or dextrose

Lean meat, a salad with leafy greens and any vegetables, low fat dressing

Protein shake
 
Pasta with marinara sauce
Rice and beans
Cold pasta salad with no oil or added fats

theres lots of ways we can manipulate this and stay completely in the guidelines.

Now I'm getting interested
 
If you are looking to use actual animal protein and not shakes but still eat a lot of protein at night, fish would be my go-to. Way easier to eat 1-1.5lbs lean fish than chicken. Baked lemon pepper tilapia, or tuna with soy sauce. Both also go well with veggies or salads.

I would avoid or really limit the beans with your white rice if you need to avoid protein in the daytime. Pretty easy to go through a can of beans and with enough rice you’re suddenly hitting 40+g bioavailable once you stack them.
 
Hyde said:
If you are looking to use actual animal protein and not shakes but still eat a lot of protein at night, fish would be my go-to. Way easier to eat 1-1.5lbs lean fish than chicken. Baked lemon pepper tilapia, or tuna with soy sauce. Both also go well with veggies or salads.

I would avoid or really limit the beans with your white rice if you need to avoid protein in the daytime. Pretty easy to go through a can of beans and with enough rice you’re suddenly hitting 40+g bioavailable once you stack them.
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I'm not going to be eating rice and beans I was just throwing out there a couple acceptable things that could fit into this, I'm really not huge on fish either unless it's sushi I'm not sure why I just don't like cooked fish. Your right though, even though I don't like white fish it's so easy to shovel it down cuz it just falls apart and it's so light and fluffy.

I really am planning on keeping this pretty simple though. And it's not going to be a long-term diet I'm really just going to f*** around with it for a little bit and see what happens and then wrap it up. Unless for some reason I feel amazing and look amazing, then Iay hang around.

I really just thought this would be a little fun experiment to switch things up a little bit and since this seems to be the Hot topic right now or becoming the Hot topic I figured I should learn with a little bit of first-hand experience before I completely bash the s*** out of it lol.



But after doing a little more reading over the past few hours it looks like some days you want to avoid protein altogether and these days are called sugar fasting days where you eat nothing but sugar.


Then you have days where you eat the sugar stuff all day but still finish the day with protein and vegetables, and then one day a week you eat protein veggies and fat.


So a week might look like

Sugar fasting
Sugar fasting
Sugar during the day meat and vegetables at night
Sugar during the day meat and vegetables at night
Sugar fasting
Meat, fruit, veggies and some fat
Sugar during the day meet and vegetables at night.

This diet doesn't have to be as extreme as all sugar.

You can still have 80-100gm of protein on the days you're eating meat and those guidelines seem to be for a individual who is not an athlete or into weightlifting. You can eat more protein if your body demands more. Kind of like how a sedentary person on keto can't exceed like 20 or 30 g of carbs but someone who trains hard and does cardio can probably eat 80 to 100 g of carbs and stay in ketosis. I know that regularly back in the day I could eat 75 to 100 g of carbs and be in ketosis according to the strips that you piss on lol

Still learning more about this but it doesn't seem as extreme as I originally thought although it's still pretty extreme and a lot of sugar
 
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I'm going to dig into Chase irons take on this next and see how his diet is structured for this. He's a pretty f****** big dude and I know he's not about losing muscle after all this time he spent getting huge.
 
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