Hyde’s Strength Odyssey

Hyde said:
7/12/24 - Day 23
BW 231.0

Weighed 237.0 yesterday, but I am 38 hours deep into a fast. We’re going to stay with my wife’s coach up north tonight before they help judge a strongman show tomorrow, so I haven’t decided if I’ll eat with everyone tonight or just keep it going.

I did the 10 total shots of incrementing 11-20mg Tren Ace over the fasting days in the previous 2 weeks along with replacement test, but this week has only been 120mg test e.

Today I took 30mg/6 caps of the OG Olympus Labs “Ostarine”, which I’ve heard likely isn’t even truly that (probably some dose of LGD). I had half a bottle, 121 caps: if I ramp it 1 cap daily I will finish at 80mg on day 11. Purely an experiment, and I intend to finish it off or throw it out if I abort.
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I ran theirs at 40mg and it did me decently back then, but it shut me down, so it being LGD sounds like a possibility. Also my wife tried using it and it was too much for her, had her all worked up and aggressive which it should not do.
 
MrKleen73 said:
I ran theirs at 40mg and it did me decently back then, but it shut me down, so it being LGD sounds like a possibility. Also my wife tried using it and it was too much for her, had her all worked up and aggressive which it should not do.
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35mg today, 40 tomorrow! We’ll keep climbing til it breaks

BennyMagoo79 said:
You sound healthy and happy! Happy for you mate.
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Life has been very good besides not lifting, so it’s hard to be ungrateful when everything else is so great! It was my week to take my son to gymnastics the other night, and it’s so awesome getting to watch him grow & learn & laugh 🥲

I sure am looking forward to lifting some again though, just the whole process of training!
 
7/14/24 - Day 25
BW 238.0

McKenzie Pushups
Cat Camel
Nerve Flossing
10 min walk
McGill Curlups
Bird Dogs
Rolling Side Planks
Glute Bridges, Single-leg GB

24” Stepups
1x8

Squat, powerbar
45 2x10
95 3x5

Bench
45x15,5
95,135x10

Feet-up Bench
185 3x5, 1x10
205,235x5
275x1

Trapbar Deadlift, Rogue 6” hi handle
155 3x5

Lat Pulldown warmups
77,147x12

V-grip Chin-ups
3x10

CS Plate-loaded Row
60/side 2x12

The first portion is something that has been done daily recently, except walks are 15 or 30 minutes. The day before this I also did some balance work & 40 total reps on a 65lb cambered SSB. Squatting is feeling very good and natural, so it has taken a lot of restraint to keep the weight off. But I am sticking to the plan, taking my time with progression.

Felt my nerve in the full bench position, so I just did some feet up work. It’s a longer ROM and much less stable, but the muscles get to work just as hard. I could definitely tell I’ve lost 10lbs when I was hanging from the chin-up bar!
 
Good stuff, I bet most of your body is feeling excellent!
 
7/16/24 - Day 27

McKenzie Pushups
Cat Camel
Nerve Flossing
10 min walk
McGill Curlups
Bird Dogs
Rolling Side Planks

Squat, powerbar
45 2x10
115 3x5

DB Split Squats
25,30x12

KB Suitcase Carries

Squats are feeling really great. Been wearing my new Tyr L-1 lifters this week for them, and I’m finding the transition to be very organic. I don’t think I understood enough about squat mechanics years back to truly be able to use them properly, but now it seems second nature. Looking forward to a plate next exposure

50mg Osta today.
 
Nice session, lets keep it pain free!
 
7/17/24 - Day 28
BW 237.4

McKenzie Pushups
Cat Camel
Nerve Flossing
10 min walk
McGill Curlups
Bird Dogs
Rolling Side Planks

Bench
45,95x15
135,185,205x5
225 2x5
245,255x5

Seated One-arm DB Press
30,40,45,50x15

Lat Pulldown warmup

Pull-ups/V-grip Chin-ups
12/13

Trapbar Deadlift, Rogue 6” hi handle
135,205x5

ss w/ Shrugs
135,205x20

Been 4 weeks since I pinched a nerve; rehab has gone very well since IMO. Today was sort of “the first day back in the gym” mentally for me - still nothing too challenging, but beginning to really use my muscles again. Not the pulls; I’ll have to be very patient with squats & deads. but I was getting a real pump on the shoulder pressing, chins, & shrugs.

55mg/11 caps of the OL Osta today, so that probably didn’t hurt the pumps.
 
Hyde said:
7/17/24 - Day 28
BW 237.4

McKenzie Pushups
Cat Camel
Nerve Flossing
10 min walk
McGill Curlups
Bird Dogs
Rolling Side Planks

Bench
45,95x15
135,185,205x5
225 2x5
245,255x5

Seated One-arm DB Press
30,40,45,50x15

Lat Pulldown warmup

Pull-ups/V-grip Chin-ups
12/13

Trapbar Deadlift, Rogue 6” hi handle
135,205x5

ss w/ Shrugs
135,205x20

Been 4 weeks since I pinched a nerve; rehab has gone very well since IMO. Today was sort of “the first day back in the gym” mentally for me - still nothing too challenging, but beginning to really use my muscles again. Not the pulls; I’ll have to be very patient with squats & deads. but I was getting a real pump on the shoulder pressing, chins, & shrugs.

55mg/11 caps of the OL Osta today, so that probably didn’t hurt the pumps.
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Awesome man, good to see you pumping iron again.💪👍
 
Hyde said:
Felt my nerve in the full bench position, so I just did some feet up work. It’s a longer ROM and much less stable, but the muscles get to work just as hard. I could definitely tell I’ve lost 10lbs when I was hanging from the chin-up bar!
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Hyde said:
Been 4 weeks since I pinched a nerve; rehab has gone very well since IMO. Today was sort of “the first day back in the gym”
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how is pain/symptoms? is it gone, or just mild?
 
Dustin07 said:
how is pain/symptoms? is it gone, or just mild?
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There’s no pain in my back. But there was nerve pain in my right glute that ran down my leg. That has become much less frequent, and much less pronounced whenever I do feel it. I would say that it was tolerable, but that was not the issue - if the nerve is tingling or hurting, it means the nerve signal is being diminished. You will progressively lose muscle activation, function, and strength if the nerve continues to be impeded. So the strength athlete cannot ignore it longterm. You can limp by for a short time, but things will only decline if you don’t turn it around.

ART doc also says that nerve pain tends to lag by a few weeks, so even if everything is good for an extended period it can take time for that to diminish. But it certainly has, and I can tell my glute is beginning to fire better on that side again. My single leg glute bridge isn’t as strong, so there is still a deficit, but it’s improving.
 
Sounds like the healing is moving right along as planned. Good stuff!
 
7/19/24 - Day 30
BW 237.4

McKenzie Pushups
Cat Camel
Nerve Flossing
10 min walk
McGill Curlups
Bird Dogs
Rolling Side Planks

Banded Clamshells
2x20

Band Pullaparts
Mini 4x20

Squat, powerbar
45 2x10
135x6
185 3x6

DB Suitcase Carries
65,75

Squats were very enjoyable this morning. Talked with ART doc yesterday and we think it’s time to begin loading the squat incrementally, discussing parameters for evaluation, etc. I’m still 10lbs leaner than a month ago from all the fasting, which has been great to be able to wear my XL shirts comfortably again. I also noticed in the shower my calves are undeniably more jacked, probably from all the walking getting added in.

Osta is up to 65mg/day today, and I haven’t taken any test in over a week (last shot was 60mg previous Thursday). My joints irrefutably feel better & click less than just a week ago. Libido and erectile function have also been very strong, round the clock. No lack of appetite, no acid reflux, no issues at all this week on the Osta. So far so good!
 
Sounds like the osta is treating you decently. Nice work on the squats sounds like they felt really good too!
 
Hyde said:
7/19/24 - Day 30
BW 237.4

McKenzie Pushups
Cat Camel
Nerve Flossing
10 min walk
McGill Curlups
Bird Dogs
Rolling Side Planks

Banded Clamshells
2x20

Band Pullaparts
Mini 4x20

Squat, powerbar
45 2x10
135x6
185 3x6

DB Suitcase Carries
65,75

Squats were very enjoyable this morning. Talked with ART doc yesterday and we think it’s time to begin loading the squat incrementally, discussing parameters for evaluation, etc. I’m still 10lbs leaner than a month ago from all the fasting, which has been great to be able to wear my XL shirts comfortably again. I also noticed in the shower my calves are undeniably more jacked, probably from all the walking getting added in.

Osta is up to 65mg/day today, and I haven’t taken any test in over a week (last shot was 60mg previous Thursday). My joints irrefutably feel better & click less than just a week ago. Libido and erectile function have also been very strong, round the clock. No lack of appetite, no acid reflux, no issues at all this week on the Osta. So far so good!
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That always feels good when you can say “no issues at all this week”. It’s really good your ART Doc is so in tune with you and your goals, and has an understanding of the safest way to ramp up to get you back. And man at 237 lbs you probably have abs peeking through again.💪
 
gphagan1 said:
That always feels good when you can say “no issues at all this week”. It’s really good your ART Doc is so in tune with you and your goals, and has an understanding of the safest way to ramp up to get you back. And man at 237 lbs you probably have abs peeking through again.
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When I turn to the side, you can see some rib, but that’s about it lol. Not lean at all, but boy the fasting really did trim the love handles down appreciably. I definitely look better in and out of clothes.
 
I bet your visceral fat has dropped like crazy from the fasting. I have finally reached a point that although not fasting the visceral fat is starting to really come down. Making my vacuum look better, and waist thinner from all angles.
 
7/21/24 - Day 32

McKenzie Pushups
Cat Camel
Nerve Flossing
10 min walk
McGill Curlups
Bird Dogs
Rolling Side Planks

Bench, powerbar
45x15,5
95,135,185x10
225,255,265,275,285,295x5

Widegrip Swissbar Bench
35,125,175x15
195x14

Felt good to knock the dust off the power bar in my garage today. When I stopped benching a month ago, my estimated 1RM was around 345, maybe 350. Today I benched 295x5 with at least another in the tank…indicating I’m good for at least 345, despite being a solid 9lbs lighter. My shirt sleeves aren’t fitting as tight, but my tricep horseshoe and delts look much more jacked than before. I don’t think I’ve lost any appreciable upper body muscle this month, between the microdosed Tren when fasting and then Ostarine this last 10 days.

75mg OL Osta today; tomorrow is the last day.
 
Bench is looking stout, dude, and after some serious weight loss, impressive as always! What’s the motivation for dropping weight?
 
PolishHamm3r77 said:
Impressive bench!!!
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It’s no PR, but it’s decent for me at this size and a good place to start!

jinxie said:
Bench is looking stout, dude, and after some serious weight loss, impressive as always! What’s the motivation for dropping weight?
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I have been rehabbing my back, so since I wasn’t lifting I was fasting a lot. Might as well be less fat, plus fasting lowers inflammation way faster.
 
I love hearing that things are on the up and up with you. Awesome to hear about your recovery, and rapid composition changes. Never surprising to hear your plans are working well. Your execution is always impressive regardless of what season of lifting or recovery you are in.
 
Segansational said:
Wow, 75 mg osta? That's like a super mega dose. No sides?
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80mg yesterday for the final day, day 11 (began at 30/6 caps, adding a 5mg cap daily).

It is indeed a very high dose compared to what they were marketed at, and most SARMs are considered worthless by experienced PED users. But it does seem like most of them do seem quite a bit more potent when they are taken at doses actually found effective for traditional oral steroids. Consider Oxandrolone was sold in 2.5mg tablets…yet men routinely take 50mg/day, sometimes even up to 100/day, in a larger stack. They did human trials giving Rad140 at 50, 100, & 150mg/day to women with breast cancer. They determined 50mg was generally well-tolerated by most of them - 350/wk IN WOMEN. Which is a low dose compared to what they used Anadrol at in women. Lots of traditional orals end up being fairly potent around 50/day. S23 and Rad definitely are for me

So if we actually just take traditional doses, how do these play out?

I will say that my libido has been getting absolutely distracting & insatiable once the dose got over 60/day of the Osta. I also took a single shot of 60mg test last week, and it caused a lot of aromatization - I would not run Ostarine with anything over 120mg/wk of testosterone, and I think 50-60mg Osta daily seemed like a really solid sweetspot where it was helping promote better composition & solid recovery without the raging libido. Strength impact isn’t really something I can judge at the moment, but I do know I can bench just as much as prior.

The last consideration is…you can’t really trust an OG Olympus Labs SARM product to be what it claims it was. Especially something like Ostarine that is allegedly more expensive, it’s just as likely it had something like LGD or who knows what in it for better profit margin. I’ve heard high dosed LGD is good for strength, so if I get to test that ever we will see how it compares.
 
7/23/24 - Day 34
BW 236.4

McKenzie Pushups
Cat Camel
Nerve Flossing
10 min walk
McGill Curlups
Bird Dogs
Rolling Side Planks

Squat, SSB
65 2x10
115,155x5
205x5,8,8

Kabuki Hi Handle Trapbar
55x20
145,195,245,275x5

Lat Pulldown
70,130,180,210,220,230x5

Lying Leg Curl
45x20
70 2x10

First morning back at the barbell club in nearly 5 weeks. The lifting felt fine & easy, so I’m hoping to squat some more come Friday if nothing gives me any indication by then to hold off.
 
Hyde said:
7/23/24 - Day 34
BW 236.4

McKenzie Pushups
Cat Camel
Nerve Flossing
10 min walk
McGill Curlups
Bird Dogs
Rolling Side Planks

Squat, SSB
65 2x10
115,155x5
205x5,8,8

Kabuki Hi Handle Trapbar
55x20
145,195,245,275x5

Lat Pulldown
70,130,180,210,220,230x5

Lying Leg Curl
45x20
70 2x10

First morning back at the barbell club in nearly 5 weeks. The lifting felt fine & easy, so I’m hoping to squat some more come Friday if nothing gives me any indication by then to hold off.
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Back under the bar!!!! NICE!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hyde said:
7/23/24 - Day 34
BW 236.4

McKenzie Pushups
Cat Camel
Nerve Flossing
10 min walk
McGill Curlups
Bird Dogs
Rolling Side Planks

Squat, SSB
65 2x10
115,155x5
205x5,8,8

Kabuki Hi Handle Trapbar
55x20
145,195,245,275x5

Lat Pulldown
70,130,180,210,220,230x5

Lying Leg Curl
45x20
70 2x10

First morning back at the barbell club in nearly 5 weeks. The lifting felt fine & easy, so I’m hoping to squat some more come Friday if nothing gives me any indication by then to hold off.
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Good to see you lifting some weight….hopefully everything is healing up quickly so you’ll be able to start getting back into the groove.👍
 
Sounds like the osta run has been an interesting little experiment that seemed to provide just what you needed right now.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Sounds like the osta run has been an interesting little experiment that seemed to provide just what you needed right now.
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Yeah it was cool; it’s been in the back of my mind for literally years every time I saw that bottle - this curiosity. There was no other good application for it, no situation it ever made sense normally, where there weren’t better tools.

But I was finally in a situation where my lipids would already be compromised some, but my overall health good, and lots of time ahead to recover lipids with no contest on the horizon, with no desire for strength enhancement, and with a desire for improved nitrogen retention but also no need or effort being spent to build/increase lean mass. That’s a damn narrow use case lol!

I can’t argue against the truth that it was an entirely unnecessary risk/stressor, but I feel it was minor given the short exposure while doubling up my Kidney Assist, NAC & TUDCA - and I enjoyed the experiment
 
7/24/24 - Day 35

McKenzie Pushups
Cat Camel
Nerve Flossing
10 min walk
McGill Curlups
Bird Dogs
KB Suitcase Carries

Band Pullaparts
Mini 3x25

Dynamic Bench,
Wide NG 2-board height on Rogue MG4
45x10
135 2x5
+doubled micros
135 5x5

One-arm Seated DB OHP
25,35,45x15
55x13
60x12
65x10

Low Incline DB Bench
80x12,15

HS CSR, various grips
45x20
90 5x20

Didn’t feel very strong, but my muscles were definitely pumping up powerfully and achieved a good hypertrophy effect last night. I think I will probably not do speed bench next week; there’s a lot of things I could bring up right now that might help my bench but honestly my technique probably isn’t one of them.
 
7/26/24 - Day 37
BW 237.0

McKenzie Pushups
Cat Camel
Nerve Flossing
10 min walk
McGill Curlups
Bird Dogs
Rolling Side Planks

Squat, Duffalo bar
55,105x10
145,195x6
235 2x6
255x6

Kabuki Hi Handle Trapbar
+standing on 1” mats
55x20
145,195,245,295x5

Leg Extensions
45 4x25

ss w/ Lying Leg Curl
45 2x25

Finally back over my bodyweight on squats, and every set just continues to improve my technique & restore strength. ART doc said my low back muscles felt like butter yesterday, totally relaxed, & advised to add an inch of ROM back on Trapbar pulls given how good things are progressing (which felt great this morning).
 
Something I have played with in the past, but didn’t really like, was a Protein-Sparing Modified Fast. We know enough about fasting now, and I have enough personal experience, to know you don’t need to keep aminos acid present in the blood to spare muscle if you actually just fast completely. And truly fasting retains more muscle than low-cal diets (more GH, less cortisol), in addition to less hunger.

That all being said, I personally cannot productively train or recover while fasting, and extended fasting is ultimately an inconvenience to my schedule taken beyond about 2 days of no eating at a stretch, which only lets me train 3 days/wk safely with respect still paid to my wife’s training & family life.

So I began a PSMF yesterday, which was a great first 24 hours - hoping to do this for at least a couple weeks if it agrees with my gut. No magic, just a consistent significant daily deficit on a set diet of shakes that require no cooking/minimal prep no matter how run down I get. This is my take on Jamie Lewis’s Feast & Famine recomp protocol, 2-4 weeks crash deficit of just shakes followed by a similar span of a surplus phase, hopefully leaving you better at a similar bodyweight over time. This lets me keep my full training schedule, stay on my full support supplement protocol, and not worry about trace calories during my feeding window. I can also choose to incorporate a free family meal flexibly if desired, without worrying about timing of breaking my fast.
 
That is actually a lot to take in for a seemingly simple approach. I'm going to read up more on that to see how that varies with some of what I have done, but it sounds like a solid approach. I absolutely never encourage anyone to lift fasted, but I have a few times on my own as an experiement and found that say a surplus on Sunday, led to a very solid training day on Monday and some increased fat burning/weight loss if I opted to fast from dinner Sunday till Tuesday. Historically I felt like the anti inflammatory effect of fasting on my rest/recovery days was quite successful though. (eating on training days, 30hr+ fasts on recovery days).

Hyde said:
Something I have played with in the past, but didn’t really like, was a Protein-Sparing Modified Fast. We know enough about fasting now, and I have enough personal experience, to know you don’t need to keep aminos acid present in the blood to spare muscle if you actually just fast completely
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it's a mind blowing thing. But then you think of primal man and it really starts to make sense.
 
Dustin07 said:
That is actually a lot to take in for a seemingly simple approach. I'm going to read up more on that to see how that varies with some of what I have done, but it sounds like a solid approach. I absolutely never encourage anyone to lift fasted, but I have a few times on my own as an experiement and found that say a surplus on Sunday, led to a very solid training day on Monday and some increased fat burning/weight loss if I opted to fast from dinner Sunday till Tuesday. Historically I felt like the anti inflammatory effect of fasting on my rest/recovery days was quite successful though. (eating on training days, 30hr+ fasts on recovery days).



it's a mind blowing thing. But then you think of primal man and it really starts to make sense.
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I have been doing almost all of my morning workouts fasted since I’ve been rehabbing (you don’t need elevated blood sugar if you’re not doing anything to tank it!). Today’s was as well, but between the newly added salt, high stim, GW & Carnitine, I felt tremendous. I’ll detail my new protocol below.

Your last point is why Jamie migrated towards that, because historically people naturally go through lean periods where you don’t eat a lot and other times you pork back up. That yin & yang is natural, and we’re adapted for it. But in less the last 100 years, that has gone away, so the pounds just continue to accrue for most, if you don’t spend some time working it off (or keep a tight regiment year round). Remarkably common sense - have a balance and pay your dues.
 
PSMF

Diet (1,840 cals, 224g p , 20g collagen, 45g f, 130g c, 48g fiber):
4-5 shakes over 8-10 hours comprising of:
-8 scoops BSN Syntha6
-2 scoops Mutant Pro
-2 scoops collagen peptides
-100g Greek yogurt

Sauerkraut, cucumber, peppers, carrots, spinach, salt as desired

PEDs:
100mcg T4
5mg Var 2x/day
20mcg Clen (never preWO)
2iu GH
30mg Test E
10mg GW
Naringin, Hesperiden

500mg L-Carn inj, 12.5mg Ephedrine & Ninja Mode on training mornings (3/wk)
-or-
SNS Thermogize XT, Choline Citrate & XPG Carn gel on non-training mornings (4/wk)

Caffeine, green tea, ephedrine as desired
 
I began everything yesterday except the Clen & T4. I waited until a couple hours postWO today to add Clen (I never take Clen pre, as the elevated heart rate inhibits my training), and I will begin T4 tomorrow morning first thing to see how I respond.
 
7/27/24 - Day 38
BW 234.4

Today is day 3 of the PSMF. Introduced the 20mcg of Clen yesterday late morning; not sure I’ll keep up with it, harsh as it is. But I do recall accommodating quickly the couple times I’ve played with it, so going to hang on for the moment to give it a chance.

Between that, the squat/pull session prior, and spending hours walking around the county fair last night so my son could ride all the rides, it definitely whooshed some glycogen out. Not a bad way to get some extra activity in though - my son had a blast!

Added 50mcg of T4 this morning; I’ll bump to 100 Monday if it goes fine.
 
Hyde said:
7/27/24 - Day 38
BW 234.4

Today is day 3 of the PSMF. Introduced the 20mcg of Clen yesterday late morning; not sure I’ll keep up with it, harsh as it is. But I do recall accommodating quickly the couple times I’ve played with it, so going to hang on for the moment to give it a chance.

Between that, the squat/pull session prior, and spending hours walking around the county fair last night so my son could ride all the rides, it definitely whooshed some glycogen out. Not a bad way to get some extra activity in though - my son had a blast!

Added 50mcg of T4 this morning; I’ll bump to 100 Monday if it goes fine.
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I am made of questions right now. Are you trying to increase the power to weight ratio? Get into a lower weight class? Taking up body building?
 
PolishHamm3r77 said:
I am made of questions right now. Are you trying to increase the power to weight ratio? Get into a lower weight class? Taking up body building?
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Yes lol

Powerlifting as a sport is weightclass-based.

Leaner you are, better you grow muscle as you regain weight - an improved bias towards muscle gain over fat. Having more muscle at a given weight for an individual means greater strength potential.

All weight gain helps you become stronger, but muscle drastically increases strength compared to how much a similar weight of fat & water will.

In my case, I can’t lift heavy right now anyway. I don’t need 5,500 calories to squat or pull a few plates. So I should shed excess fat now when training weights are light, in preparation for when I will need to eat big again to be my absolute biggest & strongest.

Plus, being fat sucks. It’s bad for your health, and you look & feel worse.
 
PolishHamm3r77 said:
So it takes mass to move mass. But clean/lean mass will aromatize less when u “hit the gas peddle” w gear
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Yes, and you have more contractile tissue per lb of bodyweight to produce actual force.

Gaining fat is an inevitable part of bulking up. And you will lift your biggest weights bulked up quite significantly. I am speaking from direct experience - I am strongest at my biggest, but every time I’ve leaned out, I had more total muscle mass when I got heavy again, and I put up bigger numbers.
 
Hyde said:
Yes, and you have more contractile tissue per lb of bodyweight to produce actual force.

Gaining fat is an inevitable part of bulking up. And you will lift your biggest weights bulked up quite significantly. I am speaking from direct experience - I am strongest at my biggest, but every time I’ve leaned out, I had more total muscle mass when I got heavy again, and I put up bigger numbers.
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Does Robert Oberst not subscribe to this school of thought?
 
Hyde said:
PSMF

Diet (1,840 cals, 224g p , 20g collagen, 45g f, 130g c, 48g fiber):
4-5 shakes over 8-10 hours comprising of:
-8 scoops BSN Syntha6
-2 scoops Mutant Pro
-2 scoops collagen peptides
-100g Greek yogurt

Sauerkraut, cucumber, peppers, carrots, spinach, salt as desired

PEDs:
100mcg T4
5mg Var 2x/day
20mcg Clen (never preWO)
2iu GH
30mg Test E
10mg GW
Naringin, Hesperiden

500mg L-Carn inj, 12.5mg Ephedrine & Ninja Mode on training mornings (3/wk)
-or-
SNS Thermogize XT, Choline Citrate & XPG Carn gel on non-training mornings (4/wk)

Caffeine, green tea, ephedrine as desired
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This cycle seems legit. Need to find some GW. Never tried clen, a little hesitant to tbh, but maybe...
 
Hyde said:
Yes, and you have more contractile tissue per lb of bodyweight to produce actual force.

Gaining fat is an inevitable part of bulking up. And you will lift your biggest weights bulked up quite significantly. I am speaking from direct experience - I am strongest at my biggest, but every time I’ve leaned out, I had more total muscle mass when I got heavy again, and I put up bigger numbers.
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More or less under yours and Kleens guidance this has been my experience these past couple years as I repeatedly bulk to 200-207, cut to 189ish, rinse and repeat. Each time I come back to 200 my PR is a little higher.

Definitely stronger when heavier, but stronger each time I hit the same peak weight. And I love walking around feeling more like a rhino.

Only downfall for me is at 200 I do notice the snoring, sleep apnea, sore feet, sweatiness etc. It feels good to cut a few lbs and just feel healthier. But it also feels awesome to be at peak strength and size. It's a constant rollercoaster mind F
 
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