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SNS, CEL, & Muscle Addiction Memorial Day Sale Thread:
We are doing a much larger than normal sale this year - 20% to 30% off everything + lots of flash sales and special deals.
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We are doing a much larger than normal sale this year - 20% to 30% off everything + lots of flash sales and special deals.
SNS, CEL, & Muscle Addiction - Memorial Day Sale - 20% to 30% off + Flash Sales!
Happy Memorial Day to everyone, I hope that everyone has a great weekend. Memorial Day Sale Extended thru midnight Sunday June 2nd! This is one of the most extensive sales we've ever done. Scroll thru this thread to find tons of flash sales, specials, and free product offers. SNS -...
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aman88
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I take zma xt every night lol.
sns8778
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Thank you for the question.
I can't go into a lot of details yet, but no, that isn't the difference between them. Neither of them need to be based around workout timing, and neither are meant to be used with any specific type of diet.
Napalm Xtreme and LipoDerm Xtreme are updated formulas of the Avant Labs Napalm and Lipoderm Ultra products, which were two of the original very effective td fat loss products. There will be some common ingredients, but quite a few different ingredients between them. They will be able to be used individually or stacked together.
As the launch becomes closer, we will go into more details about the differences between them.
Since these are technically Avant Labs products, I have to have the go ahead before I can give out too much detailed information on them. I will probably do some of the ingredient write up part, but there will also likely be some of the technical info done on these by Par.
I'm looking very forward to these myself.
thescience
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some interesting ingredients:
1. EubioQuercetin. personally, isoquercetrin is hands down my favorite. i believe anecdotally that it does have a much better halflife than anything else ive tried. i believe the claim is it lasts 12 hours which would blow alot of other forms out of the park; alot of people using it for allergies would want that longer window. no side effects either like i get from some other forms. at 600mg/day though it costs me a fortune
2.) microactive oligonol. im going to try this at 2x dose to see it has any value
3) microactive citrulline: i wonder if there is a financially realistic way to sell this relative to how lifters dose it
4) microPQQ. i know biopqq has a reduced size, not sure how it compares
5) microactive astaxanthin. ive seemingly never absorbed regular astaxanthin
1. EubioQuercetin. personally, isoquercetrin is hands down my favorite. i believe anecdotally that it does have a much better halflife than anything else ive tried. i believe the claim is it lasts 12 hours which would blow alot of other forms out of the park; alot of people using it for allergies would want that longer window. no side effects either like i get from some other forms. at 600mg/day though it costs me a fortune
2.) microactive oligonol. im going to try this at 2x dose to see it has any value
3) microactive citrulline: i wonder if there is a financially realistic way to sell this relative to how lifters dose it
4) microPQQ. i know biopqq has a reduced size, not sure how it compares
5) microactive astaxanthin. ive seemingly never absorbed regular astaxanthin
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sns8778
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For Quercetin, I personally prefer, and we have gotten asked a lot more for Quercefit, which we use in Immune Support XT.
There are a lot of quality issues in the Isoquercetin supply chain, and a lot of products labeling as Isoquercetin are mislabeling in the sense that the raw material may only be for example 40% actual active Isoquercetin and the brands are labeling the total mg as the Isoquercetin content.
I have a good relationship with the MicroActive company. We use their MicroActive Melatonin. We really haven't had a demand for any of their other ingredients. I think some of them are good, and then some are more just marketing; not that they're bad, but not sure they provide a justifiable benefit for the cost on some.
And no, its definitely not realistic to offer MicroActive Citrulline at dosages that lifters thing of it as. It's only 60% actual Citrulline if I remember correctly.
Appreciate the suggestions though. Always open to ideas.
Doubling back to Quercetin for a moment, Quercefit was the obvious choice for Immune Support XT because of their data, and how good it helps for seasonal allergies as well. I was researching different forms for use in a different project, a natural anabolic one, and my original thought was Isoquercetin, but that one is going to be Quercefit as well bc the data is just better and its legit.
Riptor
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Hi sns8778, thanks for your response. What you mentioned here about not being required necessarily around workouts is key - not that I’m implying being lazy in any way and expecting results - but not being obligated to go through the whole rigmarole of showering first, then applying the gel, then waiting 40mins to an hour for it to absorb, then working out and the showering again !
I’ve forced myself to do this in the past purely to get single digit bf results but it’s not time efficient, especially when holding a full time career !! The reason I felt obligated to use transdermals in that way is because they contained Yohimbine HCL and was advised that it didn’t work out the released free fatty acids would just be re-esterified back into the fat cells !
Just a few other questions, is Lipoderm Extreme and Napalm Extreme meant for those around 10 to 12% bf who want to get to single digits?
When is the expected release date(s) for both?
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Yeah, I definitely wouldn't consider doing it that way as necessary - I never used the original Lipoderm Ultra or Napalm that way back when I used them when Avant had them.
The next part of my reply isn't specifically to you; its about what you asked and what I've read some people say about that in the past that isn't true. I'm trying to make the answer as simple as possible for anyone reading and following along or that may read in the future.
I've read of some people making it out like there was some magical ritual or time frame that you have to do things like that in, and its simply not true and not realistically possible for many of us.
With Yohimbine HCI, or anything else that helps release fatty acids to give you the opportunity to burn them again, if they aren't burned then yes, they may stored back as fat again. But that doesn't mean that one has to go through that routine and that you have some magical timeframe that you have to do it in. There is a time frame for anything, but its not like some make it out to be. If you think about it, we aren't just burning calories during our workouts - we are burning calories all day.
I can tell you that for me personally, I either workout first thing in the morning on an empty stomach (if goal is fat loss) or at nighttime if the goal is more focused on building muscle and maximum performance. I will be dosing morning and night, and one dose will be about an hour before my workout on workout days but that's because my dosing will be morning and nighttime every day. So on workout days, I'll time it an hour before my workouts - but that's really the same timing I'll be dosing it on my non-workout days anyway. My primary goal is just splitting my dosages 8 to 12 hours apart. And like at nighttime, I'm not showering, putting it on, waiting, etc. - I'm putting it on at my desk and going to workout. Simple as that.
I hope that helps.
For your next questions:
Is Lipoderm Extreme and Napalm Extreme meant for those around 10 to 12% bf who want to get to single digits?
Lipoderm Xtreme and Napalm Xtreme can be used by people at any body-fat percentage.
Yes, they will be particularly effective for people that have lower body-fact percentages because of allowing to target problem fat areas and because people that are that lean can many times tell a bigger difference in fat loss in specific areas.
But they will also be good for people at any body-fat percentage because no matter how high or low the body-fat percentage, they work the same way in the sense of allowing people to have the chance to burn more fat from their problem areas and burn more body-fat in general.
It's important to remember that these aren't just area specific fat loss - they have systemic benefits as well for total fat burning.
For people in the 10% to 12% range, and especially if they're storing fat in abdominal and love handle problem areas and visceral fat, Ab-Solved is actually a great option because Ab-Solved is a localized carrier and very effective.
Ab-Solved, Lipoderm Ultra, Napalm, and FL7 were the original Avant fat loss lineup.
(There we also Lipoderm-Y, but we really haven't had much demand to bring that back.)
When is the expected release date(s) for both?
I would say probably within the next month.
There were several other products in front of them and they've all been released now, so these are the next XPG products due out. We've discussed releasing both at once or whether to space them out - but even if spaced out, it won't be more than a couple of weeks apart. I'm leaning towards wanting to release them together bc I think a lot of people will stack them.
When they are released, there will be more answers explaining the differences and kind of a Q&A type piece on them. If there are any specific questions that you, or anyone else would like for me to try to have answered in that, you're welcome to let me know. I will say up front though - no dosages are going to be provided - there's nothing about that meant to be deceptive, everything is dosed just as Par and I think it should be. It's just the same as it was with the original Avant ones - way too much work and detail has gone into these formulas and optimizing the carriers to give out the exact dosages.
I'm always a fan of transparent dosing on all capsule and powder products, but I understand with topicals that sometimes not disclosing exact dosages is necessary because it makes them harder to copy or knock off.
baldwanus
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Couple long days at softball had me thinking...
Focus XT Sport. Slightly altered from the normal FXT. Throw in an extra stim boost, electrolytes, and maybe a couple different nootropics like BrainBerry. Purely anecdotal and maybe a little bit of placebroing myself... but I feel like I do have better hand/eye coordination when using it. Was in that STORM pre + one of the variations of C4 cans now.
Focus XT Sport. Slightly altered from the normal FXT. Throw in an extra stim boost, electrolytes, and maybe a couple different nootropics like BrainBerry. Purely anecdotal and maybe a little bit of placebroing myself... but I feel like I do have better hand/eye coordination when using it. Was in that STORM pre + one of the variations of C4 cans now.
sns8778
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That's a great suggestion. I had thought about something like that - a little higher caffeine, electrolytes, etc. I hadn't thought about the Brainberry, but would consider it. I'm not sure how well this would sell, so had thought about doing a 1 flavor limited edition of it to gauge how it goes.
My plan is to hopefully build out the Focus XT lineup:
- Focus XT
- Focus XT - Caffeine Free
- Focus XT Ultra
- Focus XT Xtreme - much higher stim
- Focus XT capsules
We hope to have the first flavors of Focus XT back in stock next month and then how soon the other ideas progress will really just depend on how well it sells when it gets back in stock. The better and quicker it sells, the quicker we can do the other versions.
unitas27
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Yup, I use Mag Threonate in the A.M. and follow-up with Magnapower MCC pre-work out and SNS Creatine HCL post. I also take Albion Mag Lysinate/Glycinate Chelate before bed. I love magnesium (and creatine, lol).
sns8778
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As we get close to the launch of the new Thermagize XT, DPS is blowing out stock on the version they have now.
For anyone that likes a high energy thermogenic, this is a great price:
24.96 for 1 Bottle
44.99 for 2 Bottles
https://www.dpsnutrition.net/search?q=Thermagize+xt&asf=rst
For anyone that likes a high energy thermogenic, this is a great price:
24.96 for 1 Bottle
44.99 for 2 Bottles
https://www.dpsnutrition.net/search?q=Thermagize+xt&asf=rst
ELROCK
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I love how you use the veggie and gelatin caps for products like SNS Immune XT and SNS Joint Support XT. I would love to see other products that we run year round like creatine hcl, stress & anxiety support, cissus get the same veggie capsules instead of the plastic capsules.
sns8778
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We have or are changing over most things to vegetable capsules on future runs. We typically make the change when we run out of labels &/or existing inventory.
Stress & Anxiety Support are Veg Capsules (always have been).
Cissus XT are Veg Capsules (have been for quite awhile).
Creatine HCI Capsules are changing to veg capsules on the next run. We are low stock on the exiting ones, which is part of why we marked them down for the sale, to go ahead and blow them out.
You may be thinking that they weren't based off the 2 you mentioned being clear capsules and those being white, but there are white veg capsules. I prefer white, but we do use clear in some products bc in some things the color of the ingredients may stain the capsules if we use white ones.
The only product I can think of that I don't plan on changing at some point is the new Thermagize XT. That will stay red/white because red/white is part of the branding on that and looks cool. Plus, most people using high energy fat burners aren't concerned with whether its a gelatin or veg capsule. If red/white ever becomes available in veg, will probably change it too.
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aman88
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Thank you. Still works great without the red 40 lol.That's a great example of one that recently changed over to vegetable capsules
sns8778
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Thanks. Nothing in the formula changed, just went from colored gelatin capsules to white veg capsules.
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The Xtreme Performance Gels Memorial Day Special is still active thru June 2nd as well.
Buy 200.00 worth of Xtreme Performance Gels products through any retailer, you can choose one of the following for free:
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- CurcuPrime Gel
- DHEA-50 Gel
- Epicatechin Gel
- MitoBurn Gel
- Pregnenolone Gel
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Muscle Addiction - Sales, Promos, & Free Product Specific Thread:
I wanted to let everyone know that I updated the original post in this thread and that the SNS, CEL, and Muscle Addiction sales have all been extended through midnight Sunday, June 2nd.
There are so many different special offers in the main sale thread, I did a thread specific to Muscle Addiction products for anyone that wanted to see those grouped together.
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I wanted to let everyone know that I updated the original post in this thread and that the SNS, CEL, and Muscle Addiction sales have all been extended through midnight Sunday, June 2nd.
There are so many different special offers in the main sale thread, I did a thread specific to Muscle Addiction products for anyone that wanted to see those grouped together.
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Competitive Edge Labs - Sales, Promos, & Free Product Specific Thread:
I wanted to let everyone know that I updated the original post in this thread and that the SNS, CEL, and Muscle Addiction sales have all been extended through midnight Sunday, June 2nd.
There are so many different special offers in the main sale thread, I did a thread specific to CEL products for anyone that wanted to see those grouped together.
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I wanted to let everyone know that I updated the original post in this thread and that the SNS, CEL, and Muscle Addiction sales have all been extended through midnight Sunday, June 2nd.
There are so many different special offers in the main sale thread, I did a thread specific to CEL products for anyone that wanted to see those grouped together.
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SNS, CEL, & Muscle Addiction Memorial Day Sales - All Extended
Make sure to check this out bc this is one of the most extensive sales we've ever done.
Tons of flash sales, special offers, and product giveaways.
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Make sure to check this out bc this is one of the most extensive sales we've ever done.
Tons of flash sales, special offers, and product giveaways.
SNS, CEL, & Muscle Addiction - Memorial Day Sale - 20% to 30% off + Flash Sales!
Happy Memorial Day to everyone, I hope that everyone has a great weekend. Memorial Day Sale Extended thru midnight Sunday June 2nd! This is one of the most extensive sales we've ever done. Scroll thru this thread to find tons of flash sales, specials, and free product offers. SNS -...
anabolicminds.com
thescience
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Genabolix Methyl Eaa [N-Methyl-DL-Aspartic Acid (NMA)]
i want to try it anyway, no idea if it works.
i want to try it anyway, no idea if it works.
sns8778
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I appreciate the suggestions, but that's one that I could never in good conscience sell.
At one time, we were asked to do that one quite a bit and I probably lost a good amount of money by not offering it, but there are serious safety concerns with that ingredient. That's an ingredient that I would absolutely never put in my body.
There are too many great safe ingredients available to take such a risk on something like that.
Plus, the reason that you rarely see it available anymore is because the feedback wasn't good on it, so most of the companies that did sell it at one time stopped.
thescience
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i saw reviews from other brands where people said they had good sleep or acne. some people said it was good, which is unsatisfyingly vague. i wanted to find good testimony, but i got sick of digging and digging. cant rule it out though. I could see why a company wouldnt want something like this on their hands;, but sort of feel like people who get overexcited from glutamate or nmda have something else going on and the only place people know to point the finger is at the supplement.
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thescience
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i mustve missed it; are we talking about people having seizures or just a bunch of people dumping on Vaughn. it does seem like the kind of ingredient people would abuse; moth to the flame type of scenario.Oh man I remember all the drama from that stuff.
I’m just sitting here patiently (or maybe only trying to be patient…) waiting for some of the endurance products to drop.
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sns8778
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There are so many great, safe ingredients that I'm not sure why anyone would want to try that ingredient. I'm not saying it does or doesn't cause any issues, I'm saying that something with basically no good real world feedback and some serious potential side effects simply isn't worth the risk when there's plenty of good options out there that wouldn't.
I know you like to experiment with things, but I like you, and I hope you'll pass on this one.
This is one I truly wouldn't put in my body or ever be comfortable selling. And for what its worth, I didn't make the decision to be unwilling to sell it bc of any public debates on the ingredient, I make the decision to not be willing to sell it based off of my own research combined with the fact that there were many raw material suppliers that wouldn't even sell this ingredient because they felt it was too dangerous.
Agree. This ingredient had so much drama over it and heated arguments for something that seemed to not really do anything to begin with.
I get heated debates over ingredients if there are great results vs potential sides, but this one seemed like hypothetical possible results vs. no real world results + potential sides; and even if it did work, there were other things without the sides that would have worked better.
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Senactiv XT should be about 8 weeks out I'm hoping.
It will be Senactiv and AstraGin and will allow for people to conveniently try higher doses of Senactiv, which I think a lot of people will really enjoy.
Also, AstraGin has some great new studies on gut health at higher dosing so that will be a nice added benefit.
Danksta710
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Super excited about senactiv. Longevity for athletes.
sns8778
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Senactiv is such a great ingredient that gets so overlooked.
You commonly see how people will talk about Pepti-Plex like its just PeptiStrong or Phosphatidic Acid XT like its just PA and overlook that Senactiv is an important part of those formulas too.
Johnanthab178
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Gonna stack this with Anabolic XT. I wonder if it would potentiate its effects ?
N2ofusion
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Would this higher dose have any benefits for mood? Sometimes these extracts can be quite multifunctional
N2ofusion
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For example, I’d never considered Immune Support Xt as a “mood booster” but after reading that in the new write up, I can definitely feel it on the drive into work when I take it now.
Since Senactiv is from ginseng (right ?) I got the thought that it might support mood as well. Ginseng generally works really well for me
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I want to make sure which one you're referring to - do you mean the Senactiv XT when it comes out?
If so, I think that will be an excellent stack with Anabolic XT.
Senactiv is great for endurance, muscle building, and is also a great longevity supplement.
sns8778
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I think that some people may notice benefits for that. I'm curious how pronounced it will be.
sns8778
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That's great to hear. I'm glad that you're enjoying it and seeing mood boosting properties from it.
Senactiv is a specialized extract from Astragalus and Panax Notoginseng.
sns8778
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This is going to be a big next couple of weeks coming up.
Several exciting major releases.
Recomp20 will be back in stock.
Prime XT will be back in stock (but probably sell out again).
Summer Sale on select products, special offers, and free product giveaways with some multi-packs.
Several exciting major releases.
Recomp20 will be back in stock.
Prime XT will be back in stock (but probably sell out again).
Summer Sale on select products, special offers, and free product giveaways with some multi-packs.
Nac
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Have you divulged everything thats going to be in Cholesterol XT?
GQdaLEGEND
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at the end SNS pleases every member ( no diddy )
Riptor
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Still patiently awaiting release of Lipoderm Xtreme & Napalm Xtreme !! Is there any predicted price point established per bottle, and I’m assuming it’s a 4oz bottle for each?
sns8778
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They will be in the same 100 ml airless bottles that are used for all Xtreme Performance Gels products.
We briefly considered using the old style from back then as a throwback to the original versions, but people really like the ones that are used now, so we decided to keep it uniform.
I don't think the final price point has been established yet. I will check on that though.
Riptor
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Are they a few weeks away from release?
sns8778
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I honestly don't remember what they sold for back in the old days.
I know that the formulas are pretty much everything those were back then + a lot more.
These will be absolutely loaded formulas and a great price for what they are, but they cost a lot to make so they won't be they won't be super cheap. I'd guess the 49.99 to 59.99 range, but that's just a guess.
sns8778
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Yes.
unitas27
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Dang it Steve, where's the C3G?? Lol kidding of course
but excited to hear it we're close on a release. Hope you're well my man.Jeremy1
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I know this is useless information, but I have an old Avant Labs T-Shirt. The weird thing is that I don't believe I had ever used one of their products when they were around. I must have though, otherwise why the t-shirt? I definitely never used a gel or cream product of any kind. I do remember people really liking Napalm and Lipoderm. Looking forward to giving those whirl myself!
sns8778
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That's awesome.
Post a picture of the shirt or pm me a picture of it sometimes if you don't mind.
sns8778
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Dang it Steve, where's the C3G?? Lol kidding of course
Thank you. I hope that you're doing well also.
It's in the works. Have the labels done and everything. Just had a few things in front of it that had to be finished up and also did have to put a few existing sku restocks in front of it.
That's one thing about having so many sku's that sometimes keeping existing ones in stock will wind up pushing back new ones. It's never intentional, just having to prioritize ones that already sell well.
It will be 300 mg. C3G per serving + 25 mg. AstraGin & 10 mg. Bioperine.
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