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Any issues with using apex alchemy transdermals and Xpg at the same time? I have a apex Epichaos and Xpg pump gel…
 
Cjg said:
Any issues with using apex alchemy transdermals and Xpg at the same time? I have a apex Epichaos and Xpg pump gel…
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@baldwanus answered correctly above (thank you)

We have a lot of people use XPG Epicatechin Gel & Pump Gel together and really like the stack.
 
Ok .. so When taking multiple apex transdermals, can they be applied on top of each other or different locations for each product?
 
Cjg said:
Ok .. so When taking multiple apex transdermals, can they be applied on top of each other or different locations for each product?
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Should generally always use different locations for different products... so like you mentioned using Epichaos and Pump Gel, you could put Pump Gel on your arms, Epichaos on chest/shoulders.
 
baldwanus said:
Should generally always use different locations for different products... so like you mentioned using Epichaos and Pump Gel, you could put Pump Gel on your arms, Epichaos on chest/shoulders.
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Thank you sincerely for helping with these answers. I try to never comment on or mention their products, so I really do appreciate it.
 
sns8778 said:
Thank you sincerely for helping with these answers. I try to never comment on or mention their products, so I really do appreciate it.
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No problem. Love me some transdermals haha, got open XPG and Apex bottles sitting right in front of me :cool:
 
Cjg said:
Ok .. so When taking multiple apex transdermals, can they be applied on top of each other or different locations for each product?
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@baldwanus has done a great job answering your questions.

I wanted you to know that I'm not trying to ignore your questions; I just try to never comment on that company or their products.

That's why in my previous answer, I just answered on it from the perspective of it it were the XPG Epicatechin product.
 
Cjg said:
Ok .. so When taking multiple apex transdermals, can they be applied on top of each other or different locations for each product?
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Just be aware that this thread was started by the owner of SNS, so it’s not too cool to ask questions about other supplement companies in another company sponsored thread.
 
sammpedd88 said:
Just be aware that this thread was started by the owner of SNS, so it’s not too cool to ask questions about other supplement companies in another company sponsored thread.
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Agreed. It, at best, puts people in an awkward situation that is better avoided.
 
akboom87 said:
Was just curious, didn’t know if there would be any benefit compared to caps.
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I think that if anything, it would be less beneficial.

I truly wish I thought it would be a good option, because the MOQ on softgels is massive and at any one time, I have way more money tied up in X-Gels than I wish that I did. I wish that I did think that ordering a drum of liquid ARA and doing it in a topical would be as good bc it would save me a ton of cash flow, but I just don't think it would even be as good.

Plus, I think you'd have to use a lot of it to get to desired dosages. If you think about it, even high concentration oil based ARA oil is only 40% actual arachidonic acid. Right now, a 625 mg. softgel of X-Gels provides 250 mg. actual ARA. But for a topical, the absolute maximum yield and it probably wouldn't be able to hit max yield with this in a td would be 150 mg. total, so 1 ml would only be providing 60 mg. active ARA.

I hope I explained that in a way that made sense. I second guess myself a lot on if I explain some things like that clearly.
 
sns8778 said:
I think that if anything, it would be less beneficial.

I truly wish I thought it would be a good option, because the MOQ on softgels is massive and at any one time, I have way more money tied up in X-Gels than I wish that I did. I wish that I did think that ordering a drum of liquid ARA and doing it in a topical would be as good bc it would save me a ton of cash flow, but I just don't think it would even be as good.

Plus, I think you'd have to use a lot of it to get to desired dosages. If you think about it, even high concentration oil based ARA oil is only 40% actual arachidonic acid. Right now, a 625 mg. softgel of X-Gels provides 250 mg. actual ARA. But for a topical, the absolute maximum yield and it probably wouldn't be able to hit max yield with this in a td would be 150 mg. total, so 1 ml would only be providing 60 mg. active ARA.

I hope I explained that in a way that made sense. I second guess myself a lot on if I explain some things like that clearly.
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Yes that makes sense and that’s why I asked because I was not aware of those details. I have yet to run X gels yet but I plan to at a point when I get to be in a calorie surplus.
 
akboom87 said:
Yes that makes sense and that’s why I asked because I was not aware of those details. I have yet to run X gels yet but I plan to at a point when I get to be in a calorie surplus.
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I think you'll really enjoy X-Gels. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on it when you do run it.
 
baldwanus said:
Check PM's... don't wanna derail this thread again haha.
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ARA topical discussion isn't derailing at all though, if its something you want to discuss.

I'm open to different things that people want - I'm just honest about whether they offer any benefit over the oral options.
 
sns8778 said:
ARA topical discussion isn't derailing at all though, if its something you want to discuss.

I'm open to different things that people want - I'm just honest about whether they offer any benefit over the oral options.
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Without mentioning who, I can think of a topical product that uses ArA currently. Not as the sole ingredient, but part of a blend. Haven't used it/can't speak to results though.
 
baldwanus said:
Without mentioning who, I can think of a topical product that uses ArA currently. Not as the sole ingredient, but part of a blend. Haven't used it/can't speak to results though.
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Yeah, as part of a blend with a ton of other ingredients. I'm not saying anything as to whether that product would or wouldn't work, but I can say that if it does deliver any results, its highly doubtful it would be because of the ARA content bc the ARA content couldn't be very high in it just bc of formulation constraints with topicals.

A big issue I see with that though is what I was explaining above about part of the problem with an ARA topical would be it would be hard to deliver an effective dosage without having to use a lot of ml's per day - and that would be even solo. So if using it with a bunch of other ingredients, that would bring the dose per ml of the actual ARA a lot lower.

The thing is that ARA has good oral bioavailability, so there's no real evidence that going the topical route would decrease the dosage needed per day; which is why I don't think its advantageous over a softgel bc softgels are a convenient and easy way to get the necessary dosing. It would take a lot of ml's to deliver that dosage.

So, to even have a chance at being dosed high enough and effective, the only real way to do an effective dose of a topical ARA solo would be to do it as a stand alone product/ingredient.

Plus, I know from discussing the carrier mechanisms, that if we were going to do a topical ARA, the carrier would have to be customized for the ARA specifically, so that too wouldn't lend itself to being a good option for other ingredients to be added.
 
if you're discussing what I think you are. If I were to speculate about the use case of AA in this scenario, I can't think of a functional aspect of AA other than as a penetration enhancer for potential fat soluble actives. There are studies on fatty acids as penetration enhancers - in a profile with many ingredients, we can speculate the benefits of each...especially at limited doses.

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The benefits of fatty things, they have good bioavailability - no need to use them td, as Steve had stated. But, we do use fatty acids in TD's for other purposes...as cosolvents and as penetration enhancers.
 
two questions will you be having a sale this Easter and will Celloflo6 be be available as a stand alone product.
 
louie2 said:
two questions will you be having a sale this Easter and will Celloflo6 be be available as a stand alone product.
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Sale yes more then likely SNS/CEL will be doing it .. as for the stand alone product sns can confirm when he gets back in a day or 2.

what has been your experience with it so far ?
 
lionking999 said:
couple weeks left of my peptiplex/ecdyplex and was hoping prime may be out by then?
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It shouldn't be long before Prime XT will be available, but I'm not sure of an exact date. But I do know it shouldn't be too long.
 
louie2 said:
two questions will you be having a sale this Easter and will Celloflo6 be be available as a stand alone product.
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I do believe that we will be doing an Easter Sale.

We honestly haven't had any demand for a Cellflo6 as a stand alone product. If we wind up having enough demand for it, we may be open to it.
 
Wimsicle said:
Any idea when the e9 type product will be coming out?
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I'm sorry, I'm drawing a blank. It may be bc I'm sleep deprived from being on the road the last couple days, but not sure what you mean by an e9 type product? Please let me know and I'll be glad to answer.
 
schizm said:
How's the protein coming along @sns8778 ?
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The protein kind of got put on pause because of protein prices going thru the roof the last couple of months. We will still be doing it, but we're waiting for prices to normalize.

If we did a protein right now, the true cost for a 2 lb. would be over 8.00 more per unit than just back in the fall. So it makes the most sense to wait for prices to stabilize a bit.
 
ELROCK said:
Interested in when the new immune support will be released?
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The new Immune Support XT is in stock now and will be released this coming week :)
 
ELROCK said:
Any updates on the single ingredient nootropic product?
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We have one new single ingredient nootropic ingredient that is in production now. I'm not sure an exact ETA bc we always have so much in the production process, but it shouldn't be long.

We also will have Huperzine A back available shortly as well, and we changed to 200 mcg. per capsule.
 
sns8778 said:
We have one new single ingredient nootropic ingredient that is in production now. I'm not sure an exact ETA bc we always have so much in the production process, but it shouldn't be long.

We also will have Huperzine A back available shortly as well, and we changed to 200 mcg. per capsule.
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I think people sleep on Hup A sometimes because it’s one of those ingredients at the bottom of a profile due to only being micrograms. But I have used SNS Huperzine in the past and it’s a great affordable focus booster, whether I threw a cap into a bigger stack or just with my coffee before work.

I still need to try Sabroxy XT! So many supplements, so little time
 
Just a heads up for anyone interested
 

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sns8778 said:
The protein kind of got put on pause because of protein prices going thru the roof the last couple of months. We will still be doing it, but we're waiting for prices to normalize.

If we did a protein right now, the true cost for a 2 lb. would be over 8.00 more per unit than just back in the fall. So it makes the most sense to wait for prices to stabilize a bit.
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ahh, gotcha. That's understandable, but a bummer.
 
sns8778 said:
I'm sorry, I'm drawing a blank. It may be bc I'm sleep deprived from being on the road the last couple days, but not sure what you mean by an e9 type product? Please let me know and I'll be glad to answer.
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I believe he’s talking about PES Ergonine, which means he’s referring to the all in one supplement that I think was being discussed at one point
 
schizm said:
ahh, gotcha. That's understandable, but a bummer.
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Thanks, and yeah, its a bummer for me too bc its a big step for the company and something I'm pretty emotionally invested in. Plus, I drink a heck of a lot of protein and the flavor samples were great - its almost impossible for me to find a vanilla I actually like, and I loved our flavor samples.

But business wise, the worry is paying the inflated price for protein and then the price drop back down and we'd be having to sell at higher prices to go thru the first batch.

Overall, stuff like that is part of doing business in making protein - but can't afford to start off like that.

We've taken the time though to get other things moving and to also get more flavors on the protein perfected and some cool label art being done - to where when we do move forward on it, everything should be smooth to introduce new flavors as we go.
 
mechka_grizli said:
I believe he’s talking about PES Ergonine, which means he’s referring to the all in one supplement that I think was being discussed at one point
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Thanks. I should have realized that. Blonde moment + being sleep deprived on my part haha.

The name of the all-in-one ergonine type product will be Daily Gains.

We just approved the flavor samples for 4 flavors last week and are working on samples for 3 more flavors - we will launch with 3 flavors, and add on from there. The labels are in process right now and we're looking at around an 8 to 12 week lead time on the first run. I know that seems like a long time, but that's the standard lead times for first runs on flavored powders with cGMP manufacturers.
 
sns8778 said:
Thanks. I should have realized that. Blonde moment + being sleep deprived on my part haha.

The name of the all-in-one ergonine type product will be Daily Gains.

We just approved the flavor samples for 4 flavors last week and are working on samples for 3 more flavors - we will launch with 3 flavors, and add on from there. The labels are in process right now and we're looking at around an 8 to 12 week lead time on the first run. I know that seems like a long time, but that's the standard lead times for first runs on flavored powders with cGMP manufacturers.
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Any hints what ingredients will be included in this product? I used to love Ergonine back in the day and would all in on purchasing a replacement in the future when available.
 
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