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Predator. However, some people in the this thread might want to sell you a bottle of theirs as a bunch of people didn’t like it at all. I bought tubs off a few people on here
Damn I wish I saw your post before I purchased from predator. I picked up a tub of Doomsday and a bottle of thermal spark. The OG thermal spark was one of my all time favorite so I should be able to compare it to this new version.
 
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Damn I wish I saw your post before I purchased from predator. I picked up a tub of Doomsday and a bottle of thermal spark. The OG thermal spark was one of my all time favorite so I should be able to compare it to this new version.
Well if you end up not liking it there is a good chance I will just buy it off you
 
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Random thought, but I wish I could find a retailer with tubs of SCL F-Bomb in stock. The only US-based retailer that had it sold out of it within a day or two of it blowing up on Reddit, and they never got any back in stock. The only other online retailers that sell it are based in Russia, as far as I can find.
 
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How is the Doomsday Hardcore for anyone who has tried?

Still haven’t gotten to sample yet, but I’m also one of the few who liked Doomsday.

Have tried the new Thermal Spark. Agree 100% with @BigGame84 that it’s OG good…..got mine from Eva’s as well….
Doomsday hardcore taste like og frenzy for those who remembers.

How it feel like? I let you know after tonight sparring session is done.

I have tried the hardcore sample only one time before. But then i was on a heavy antibiotic cure. So this is my first test with a healthy body.
 
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How is the Doomsday Hardcore for anyone who has tried?

Still haven’t gotten to sample yet, but I’m also one of the few who liked Doomsday.

Have tried the new Thermal Spark. Agree 100% with @BigGame84 that it’s OG good…..got mine from Eva’s as well….
How would you describe your Doomsday experience? Thanks in advance!
 

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So I ordered the TS and 4 sample packs of the new hardcore wow I never bought the first version of doomsday but both of the TS and the sample packs blew my head off really strong at least for me. I didn't take them the same day spaced a couple days apart.
 

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Hey someone reviewed the scl f bomb on Reddit said it was no bueno!!! Glad I didn't jump on it doesn't seem like a preworkout
 

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Received my thermal spark today. Probably won’t try until next week. I got a deal on Adderex from HiTech and tried it today. It’s interesting. It has solid focus. Kicked in about an hour after I took it but lasted for like 6 hours. There were weird times where the focus wore off or I felt a bit off and tired then out of nowhere it would kick in again
you try the thermal yet?
 
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How would you describe your Doomsday experience? Thanks in advance!
I really like Doomsday. It worked for me like Excelsior (focus wise) minus the appetite suppression and any anxiety effects. To be fair, I don’t use more than 0.5-0.75 or max 1 scoop of excelsior, so I didn’t experience those anxiety effects as pronounced as others maybe.

That being said, it’s not for everyone and some people hate it. It kicks in more once you start training at the gym, have always had a good lifting/training session with it, no complaints here.

That Thermal Spark though….. Top 5 supplement all time IMO and new batch is 🔥
 

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I really like Doomsday. It worked for me like Excelsior (focus wise) minus the appetite suppression and any anxiety effects. To be fair, I don’t use more than 0.5-0.75 or max 1 scoop of excelsior, so I didn’t experience those anxiety effects as pronounced as others maybe.

That being said, it’s not for everyone and some people hate it. It kicks in more once you start training at the gym, have always had a good lifting/training session with it, no complaints here.

That Thermal Spark though….. Top 5 supplement all time IMO and new batch is 🔥
ahhhhhh imperials gonna get my money again
 
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Doomsday hardcore is way stronger. But not sure if better then the original
 
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I really like Doomsday. It worked for me like Excelsior (focus wise) minus the appetite suppression and any anxiety effects. To be fair, I don’t use more than 0.5-0.75 or max 1 scoop of excelsior, so I didn’t experience those anxiety effects as pronounced as others maybe.

That being said, it’s not for everyone and some people hate it. It kicks in more once you start training at the gym, have always had a good lifting/training session with it, no complaints here.

That Thermal Spark though….. Top 5 supplement all time IMO and new batch is 🔥
How do you think Doomsday will work for focus and energy at work? Is it a long lasting experience?
 
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Man.. doomsday is so strange. If you dont want to push yourself past the comfortable part of training, its probably one of the least good PWO.

But if you are driven, and want to push further, then this is probably the best PWO since OG Craze. As far as opening the doors past what you think is your last round on the heavy bag, your last set on the weight, or whatever.

Its not a pwo who gonna wake up your lazy ass to push you into training.

Its about mental drive and focus.
 
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Yeah sometimes the stim hits hard but for me it’s always a decent stim but not like getting hit with a bolt of lightning. The long lasting focus is unmatched though
 
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you try the thermal yet?
Took it about an hour ago. One I got from predator. So far a nice clean boost in energy. Nothing insane but good mood, focus, and energy. Was holding off because I thought it would be something insane but so far it’s pleasant. I will keep everyone updated
 
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Took it about an hour ago. One I got from predator. So far a nice clean boost in energy. Nothing insane but good mood, focus, and energy. Was holding off because I thought it would be something insane but so far it’s pleasant. I will keep everyone updated
So an update, this had good focus, good energy, no crash. However, based upon how so many described the original thermal spark I don’t think this is anything close. I opened a second cap about 4 hours later and took 2/3 of it. Reminds me a lot of my black hydrazine but maybe better. Powder looks the same with brown powder and white flakes. Tasted Maybe slightly more type. Doesn’t seem to line up with what the guys who bought it from the local shop got. Maybe they are different
 
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So an update, this had good focus, good energy, no crash. However, based upon how so many described the original thermal spark I don’t think this is anything close. I opened a second cap about 4 hours later and took 2/3 of it. Reminds me a lot of my black hydrazine but maybe better. Powder looks the same with brown powder and white flakes. Tasted Maybe slightly more type. Doesn’t seem to line up with what the guys who bought it from the local shop got. Maybe they are different
All my thermal spark came from Eva’s. Their excelsior they got in alongside it as well is also really good…..
 
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Took it about an hour ago. One I got from predator. So far a nice clean boost in energy. Nothing insane but good mood, focus, and energy. Was holding off because I thought it would be something insane but so far it’s pleasant. I will keep everyone updated
That’s exactly how I felt with the OG. It should last about 5 hours. I get mine on Friday so I can compare with the OG. I am also getting doomsday in and I will probably try that first.
 

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Hey in every ones opinion how much is a 6/24 tub worth now a days? What about a 5/ 24?
 
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Hardcore kinda make me impatient and a bit bad temper between sets and even after the session.

Original doomsday is better because of it only work when you train hard. Not before and after.

Thats probably why many claim in dont work. Because they train lazy, or because what they really want is meth in a box.
 
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Hey in every ones opinion how much is a 6/24 tub worth now a days? What about a 5/ 24?
Market prices depend on supply and demand and what somebody actually is willing to pay.

Personally I think it is madness paying any top dollar for any old tub.
I actually bought an O.G Craze for 200US about 10 years ago and felt a bit ashamed of that lol but it was one of the really strong jaw lock inducing tubs and I remember dosing that along with a cap of Gaspari detonate and heading down to some archaelogy class at University and being a bit more than comfortably over focused lol.
 
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Hardcore kinda make me impatient and a bit bad temper between sets and even after the session.

Original doomsday is better because of it only work when you train hard. Not before and after.

Thats probably why many claim in dont work. Because they train lazy, or because what they really want is meth in a box.
How similar was it to doomsday or other preworkouts you have tried? Angry and bad tempered I thought would help someone whose a fighter, I remember frenzy was a pre which gave me that kinda angry feeling..
 
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Although batches vary I think some kind of permatolerance more or less has set it with most users
of old Excelsior depending on usage etc.....

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This explains a lot for variance in effect with preworkouts. I was reading some of the reviews for the preworkouts mentioned in this post and can see predator has posted a few saying it is not the same, weaker now etc while others rave about it so it's not like they are only showing 5* reviews which you normally see on supplement sites. I would bet the ones reporting bad reviews are likely the guys with stimulant overuse histories + probably a lot of people using these "advanced' preworkouts for reasons that have nothing to do with fitness and everything to do with looking for a legal high type feeling. Forums these days seem to be dominated by guys who are like the latter group. Only the older cats here seem to be about the former.
 
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I personally like it, would say it’s good for at least 4hrs (IMO and from my experience)….
Would echo this, at a low dose of 3/4 scoop I find it does a nice job. Any more and I think the focus is too much though.
 

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To be honest I took things quite seriously and at one stage had 6 different tubs of Excelsior open at one point. And there were obvious differences and certain actives missing in some tubs but generally still some permatolerance will also set in.
I even blindfolded myself trying to to know beforehand what batch I drank lol
Placebo effect could explain all that though.
 
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I am trying Doomsday for the first time tomorrow! What does do you guys suggest? I was thinking full scoop right from the start or should I ease into it with a 0.75 scoop?
 

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I am trying Doomsday for the first time tomorrow! What does do you guys suggest? I was thinking full scoop right from the start or should I ease into it with a 0.75 scoop?
I initially tried a little over 1 scoop (this was the original "non-Hardcore" edition) when the product first came out back in the summer and felt absolutely nothing. Unless you are extremely sensitive to virtually any ingredients that a PWO might include, I would take at least a full scoop but still expect to feel nothing.
 

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I am trying Doomsday for the first time tomorrow! What does do you guys suggest? I was thinking full scoop right from the start or should I ease into it with a 0.75 scoop?
You’re gonna get people say less than a full scoop will work to people saying if you take 4 scoops it will do nothing. I don’t think it’s so much the dose but more what you’re gonna use it for and how you approach training.

IMO, a lot of the guys who don’t like it are probably not training at all or half ass their sessions at best. People leaving reviews and talking about mood, euphoria, and nothing about training is a bit of a giveaway. If you’re one of those types I’d suggest not opening it and sell it to Carolina kid cos for sure you’re not gonna get anything even remotely resembling a high.

Then there’s another group who want a hard stim feeling which makes them restless, jacks up their heart rate and activate their fight or flight response. think the typical user of Crack, OG Jack3d. This group is very active on this thread and they won’t like it so again I’d not bother with it if that’s you cos it’ll feel like you’ve had a decent tasting energy drink probably and that’s it.

I think the final group who seem to like it appears to be guys who only dose stims at a moderate level, tend to be older, aren’t really looking for any drug type effects and quite a few of them I think have reported similar results like:

1) being underwhelmed when they drink it
2) no real energy
3) a bit of focus

(Doomsday hardcore delivers more on those three fwiw)

4) When they are training they’ll notice without being amped up that it feels easier to get more reps out
5) Find they can increase volume per workout (extra sets)
6) Find they can maintain a higher level of performance for longer (hence the extra sets and reps)
7) faster recovery between sets probably cos HR not as high

I think point 7 is where hard stim preworkouts fail and it’s weird people seem to think they are great cos if your hr is 170 after a set of squats you’ll need 5-10min rest to be able to perform a second set adequately. The point of training should be to be able to perform at a high level set after set, effort after effort and that means HR needs to be at a low enough level at the start of a set or sparring session, run etc that you can produce a good effort.

Sorry for the long post, but if you’re in group 3 I’d try 1 scoop empty stomach to start and adjust up or down after. I’d avoid having it after 6pm cos despite what people say about it being “stim-free” it’ll keep you awake for at least 6 hrs after.
 
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I am trying Doomsday for the first time tomorrow! What does do you guys suggest? I was thinking full scoop right from the start or should I ease into it with a 0.75 scoop?
Hey man. Depends on the training. If you gonna push yourself, then start with a big rounded scoop.

I never understood the need for a pwo if you gonna do a basic lifting session. The ones where you lift something heavy for 5-10 times, then chill and talk to your buddies, before doing the next set.

But if you gonna do something that demands explosive power, cardio, and mental drive.. like martial arts, crossfit, sprints, or anything in that category, then a pwo like doomsday is perfect.

Just dont sit and wait for it to "kick in".. because it wont, unless you start to train hard. Hard trening releases the good stuff inside doomsday.
 
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I did 1 flat scoop and I am really enjoying it. I finished a longer workout with some extra accessory sets at the end. Now I steel feel the energy and focus. I am in a positive mood like increases wellbeing sort of thing no euphoria. It feels super smooth and pretty long lasting. I will report back on how long it lasts and if there is any type of crash afterwards.
 
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I did 1 flat scoop and I am really enjoying it. I finished a longer workout with some extra accessory sets at the end. Now I steel feel the energy and focus. I am in a positive mood like increases wellbeing sort of thing no euphoria. It feels super smooth and pretty long lasting. I will report back on how long it lasts and if there is any type of crash afterwards.
usually the same experience I have, good to know!

When I lift, I am usually doing supersets vs. powerlifting single muscle group per day these days, and I find Doomsday works well (IMO, for me) for this regimen.

Nothing works for everybody, so understand those who don’t like. OG JACK3D was great but I was much more of an OG CRAZE fan, mainly due to hating the Beta Alanine tingles.

OG JACK3D would let you just crush any session in the gym, but had an aggressive feel to it mood swing wise IMO. But others swear by it vs. OG CRAZE to this day 🤷🏼‍♂️

Doesn’t matter IMO how people train, if they find something that works for them, that’s all that matters….
 
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I did 1 flat scoop and I am really enjoying it. I finished a longer workout with some extra accessory sets at the end. Now I steel feel the energy and focus. I am in a positive mood like increases wellbeing sort of thing no euphoria. It feels super smooth and pretty long lasting. I will report back on how long it lasts and if there is any type of crash afterwards.
This is exactly how it is for me. Sometimes a little Euphoria but just smooth long lasting focused energy.

And with the new Thermal Spark seems to last a decent length too. But to me, it’s really nothing too strong. I have a certain stim tolerance but nothing crazy. I don’t do anything over 300mg caffeine. It works and it feels pretty clean but not like what I’ve heard about old batches
 
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Nah. Me being superior is all me. Not because of some powder in a box.

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I am sure a lot of ppl here don't train properly or else they are just genetically not made for bodybuilding and end up spending lots of cash on supplements of all types. I scroll through that reddit preworkout board and you see all these guys posting pics of dozens of pre's, none of them ever seem to talk about lifting or really have much of an opinion beyond high stim = good. I am old school and remember when you could get ephedrine...nobody doubts it is strong but that stuff would ruin performance for me. Loss of skill/co-ordination and making it very hard to recover cos your HR stays elevated.
 

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