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Classic Kleen - The Road To Competition Fall 2024

I agree with Jim, GP, & Resolve. Chat with coach and see what solutions he offers. He wants you to win. It means he keeps getting paid and he looks good when you do.
Yeah, I am going to give him a call later today and talk with him. I think a lot of this is just frustration with the setback and the increase in gear making me feel things a bit more intensely than normal. It's good to have a group of friends like in here to bounce things off of and get some feedback from the outside looking in.
 
Dude I still have not wrapped my mind around how much inflation has changed the budget in the past few years. We are getting better at the adjustment, but I'm still dumbfounded at times by how much more I was able to spend sorta willy nilly 3 years ago.
Yeah, it has really gotten bad. I would be sitting fat with "extra" money in my bank right now otherwise. That and like I said, having 3 cars break down so close together was just brutal on the budget all by itself. I almost told my wife no presents for our anniversary or Christmas this year. Things are just too tight. However even though I have no issue making that sacrifice, she would be extremely upset, and heartbroken if I were to do that. When I told her I didn't think we would be able to take our anniversary trip because of the car situation she understandably got very upset. So we did decide to put that trip on a card. I just hate financing things like that. It doesn't make sense financially to me but my wife is more valuable to me than paying some interest. So, we are still going to go.
 
Yeah, I am going to give him a call later today and talk with him. I think a lot of this is just frustration with the setback and the increase in gear making me feel things a bit more intensely than normal. It's good to have a group of friends like in here to bounce things off of and get some feedback from the outside looking in.
Another thing with gear is how quickly your strength increases compared to natural or just TRT. That increased strength along with the gym aggression, is all good, but those muscles will grow in size and strength quicker than your connective tissue can catch up. All the more reason to leave some in the tank and not over do it, which I know you know all this, but I have to remind myself not to get too crazy on a cycle because us over 50 dudes just don’t recover, repair, or heal as quickly as we used to.
 
Another thing with gear is how quickly your strength increases compared to natural or just TRT. That increased strength along with the gym aggression, is all good, but those muscles will grow in size and strength quicker than your connective tissue can catch up. All the more reason to leave some in the tank and not over do it, which I know you know all this, but I have to remind myself not to get too crazy on a cycle because us over 50 dudes just don’t recover, repair, or heal as quickly as we used to.
No doubt, and it is definitely harder to pull back on the reigns while the gear is saying alright LFG!!!
 
PS... OMG I am full! I may have to talk to him about MK to help with appetite. I ate 2 hours ago and still feel like I swallowed a mack truck. LOL About to go do cardio here shortly and it is gonna be rough feeling this full. I will get the job done though.
 
PS... OMG I am full! I may have to talk to him about MK to help with appetite. I ate 2 hours ago and still feel like I swallowed a mack truck. LOL About to go do cardio here shortly and it is gonna be rough feeling this full. I will get the job done though.
Yeah, MK is your friend on a bulk.😎
 
Yeah, MK is your friend on a bulk.😎
Yeah, this took me by surprise, came on all the sudden, but hopefully just gassy and not already feeling the effects of the increased food volume this much. Could definitely have to do with blocking myself up a bitt with the Aleve. I would have normally been to the restroom for a couple downloads by this time of day. I went just now and rabbit pellets, so very likely has something to do with it.
 
11/29/23 - Fasted Weight 200.2 - Down from 200.8 yesterday, still dropping weight from the holiday weekend even with the calorie increase. I was looking pretty tight this morning.

Also, feeling a lot better mentally about the situation. Hissy fit over! Thanks for all the feedback. It's crazy what even an intense cardio session can do for one's mindset. I do think a bit of this was hormonally induced. That, and just the thought of things going wrong after I have already put so much into just getting to a point I could train for this show. Making me want to take control and make sure we don't f me up before I can get to the show. I got my big boy pants back on now. ;)
 
Yeah, it has really gotten bad. I would be sitting fat with "extra" money in my bank right now otherwise. That and like I said, having 3 cars break down so close together was just brutal on the budget all by itself. I almost told my wife no presents for our anniversary or Christmas this year. Things are just too tight. However even though I have no issue making that sacrifice, she would be extremely upset, and heartbroken if I were to do that. When I told her I didn't think we would be able to take our anniversary trip because of the car situation she understandably got very upset. So we did decide to put that trip on a card. I just hate financing things like that. It doesn't make sense financially to me but my wife is more valuable to me than paying some interest. So, we are still going to go.
I'm 100% with you on all points there. A couple years ago I set up a vacation acct and a little money drops in every Monday automagically. I'm so grateful I did that because it really helps me keep a tiny bit squirreled away for travel. The budgeting has become a lot sharper these past 2-3 years. it's just crazy how much tighter things got all the sudden without a decrease in income. but our taxes in WA are insane too. taxes alone are eating me up between $500-1k/month more than 3 years ago.
 
I have been blasting much more in recent years, so I feel it gets easier to anticipate and understand the hormonal aggression & adjust for it. It is not so much a dosage thing - it’s especially whenever doses go up.

But for myself, being on a low dose of Tren, I absolutely already know that if something is bugging me - it’s me. Whatever it is, it wouldn’t be so bad if I wasn’t on Tren. So I can overcompensate because I KNOW I’m the problem, it’s not really that big of a problem. Taking that stance makes it easier to walk away, take a breath, and deliver a calm response.

I feel like I've kind of missed it (because this log moves fast which I guess is a good thing!), but could you briefly recount exactly what your squatting issues tend to be or lead to?

I believe there is a nerve around his t/c-spine that gets set off by acute compression he discovered recently, and when it gets flared up the pain messes with almost all training (that wouldn’t normally set it off).
 
My only complaint is lack of volume. Really felt like I needed more today but not enough time.
I feel like I've kind of missed it (because this log moves fast which I guess is a good thing!), but could you briefly recount exactly what your squatting issues tend to be or lead to?
I have a bulging disc or something in 2 places in my spine, one near the bottom of my neck and one in the T-Spine in the middle of my scapula. When I squat with a barbell lately it has really been aggravating it. Causing referral pain to the point it has taken me to tears, numbness, neck pain. I have been to an ART specialist and a chiropractor and after some testing things they both said I have some sort of disc issue / nerve impingement that is likely a bulging disk. I can do things with the weight on my shoulders like a hack squat and stuff but putting a bar on my spine is just not working out for me anymore. Once it is triggered back work and any upper back extension under weight is painful. Even without weight if it gets too bad. I feel like I caught it and hitting it hard with anti-inflammatories right after it happened kept the inflammation from ever getting too bad. I just didn't wait that night to see how if felt in the morning because I knew it wouldn't be good to just let it swell up overnight.
I'm 100% with you on all points there. A couple years ago I set up a vacation acct and a little money drops in every Monday automagically. I'm so grateful I did that because it really helps me keep a tiny bit squirreled away for travel. The budgeting has become a lot sharper these past 2-3 years. it's just crazy how much tighter things got all the sudden without a decrease in income. but our taxes in WA are insane too. taxes alone are eating me up between $500-1k/month more than 3 years ago.
Yeah, it is insane. I need to set up what you have going on but the first thing would be too use it for my contest this year so I am not putting it on a card and paying interest.

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11/30/23 - Fasted Weight 201.2 lbs - I seem to be staying over 200 this week. It feels good to be a man again! ;)

Shoulders & Triceps - Thursday, Nov 30, 2023 at 4:44am

Shoulder Press (Machine Plates)
Set 1: 135 lbs x 12 @ 9 rpe
Set 2: 120 lbs x 13 @ 10 rpe -
I switched over to the other selection plate shoulder press today to keep my shoulder in a better position for my right labrum since it is still a bit inflamed. I am too thick for the Arsenal so it puts my hands and arms in a bad position. This also definitely hits my anterior delts better for some reason even though it does not converge.

Standing Lateral Raise
Set 1: 30 lbs x 20 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 2: 40 lbs x 15 @ 9 rpe
Set 3: 50 lbs x 10 @ 9.5 rpe
Set 4: 30 lbs x 20 @ 9.5 rpe -
Got one more rep here and think I could have maybe got one more. I need to figure out a way to go up just 5lbs here if possible because a 10lb jump is going to keep me from hitting 20 on that first set.

Incline DB Rear Delt Flyes
Set 1: 20 lbs x 20 @ 8 rpe
Set 2: 20 lbs x 20 @ 9 rpe
Set 3: 20 lbs x 20 @ 10 rpe -
My first two sets my form wasn't quite on so I wasn't getting the same stimulation as usual. My traps were getting too involved. I got it squared away for the last set. I will stay at this weight this next session and see how it goes while really lighting up the rear delts.

Upright Row
Set 1: 100 lbs x 10 @ 10 rpe
Set 2: 60 lbs x 15 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 3: 60 lbs x 15 @ 9 rpe
Set 4: 60 lbs x 15 @ 9.5 rpe -
My left elbow started bothering me, possibly from all the extra forearm work I have been getting using straps instead of my grips. I had to really squeeze the crap out of the bar the last 2 weeks and think it has worn on me a little. I will be using liniment throughout the week and before training to cool it down a bit as well as doing some self myofascial release on it. I will likely go ahead and do some flossing on it, since that normally works really well for my elbows when they get flared up.

Cross Cable Tricep Extension
Set 1: 40 lbs x 15 @ 8 rpe
Set 2: 40 lbs x 15 @ 9.5 rpe
Set 3: 40 lbs x 15 @ 10 rpe -
I got 2 extra reps here at a solid RPE10 on the last one. I really had to turn on the juice to get that last rep!!!

PowerTec Dip Attachment
Set 1: 180 lbs x 20 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 2: 180 lbs x 17 @ 10 rpe [Failure]
- I went for 18 thinking I might have it and be able to increase by a rep but I didn't have it in me after the 2 additional reps on the Cross Cable Extensions.

All in all a good session. I enjoyed myself and got a great pump.

Also my legs did end up getting a little sore from the belt squats which is great news. I am pretty sure my coach will have me do them, or pendulum squats.

Speaking of my coach, I hit him up, unfortunately during a question blackout period this next two weeks, I forgot that he sent a note about. He was able to get his leg fixed up and restarted prep a couple weeks ago. So he has clients peaking this week, and he will be peaking next week. So all questions, unless an emergency, are temporarily being held off on until our check in which will be on Sunday those weekends instead. So, I should have my answers before I start next week's workouts which is perfectly fine with me.
 
I have been blasting much more in recent years, so I feel it gets easier to anticipate and understand the hormonal aggression & adjust for it. It is not so much a dosage thing - it’s especially whenever doses go up.

But for myself, being on a low dose of Tren, I absolutely already know that if something is bugging me - it’s me. Whatever it is, it wouldn’t be so bad if I wasn’t on Tren. So I can overcompensate because I KNOW I’m the problem, it’s not really that big of a problem. Taking that stance makes it easier to walk away, take a breath, and deliver a calm response.



I believe there is a nerve around his t/c-spine that gets set off by acute compression he discovered recently, and when it gets flared up the pain messes with almost all training (that wouldn’t normally set it off).
As you know I haven't cycled much at all recently, and the one I did after my surgery was not a big one, and my steps up were much smaller. This bump is definitely a bigger bump and that effect caught me a little off guard but I began to realize I was over-reacting to the stress of the situation and making things much more urgent then they were. I have been overcompensating at home, and work for sure just to be safe. I will definitely expand that to the rest of my daily undertakings as well, more for my own benefit of not getting worked up than anything else.

Also nice and concise summary of the neck issue.
 
All in all a good session. I enjoyed myself and got a great pump.

that's exactly what I was thinking reading this! good day for cannonball delts!

Yeah, it is insane. I need to set up what you have going on but the first thing would be too use it for my contest this year so I am not putting it on a card and paying interest.

I booked our feb beach trip back in like May or June because it was literally like half price vs if I book today (just checked). I paid a couple hundred more for free cancellation, but saved like $3500 for booking so early. I don't pay until the day I arrive so I actually have x amount of dollars every monday dropping into my Robinhood acct. where it's making 5% interest on cash. this month it surpassed what I need to pay cash in feb for the trip so I'll pay the hotel with my alaska airlines credit card, then pay the credit card off probably while i'm there online, get the miles + no interest fees.

anyways that's just been my little travel hack of the past few years now. seems to help a lot! If I can find more opportunities like this for other locations I'd already be booking. I just pulled up the resort we are staying at and their uber fancy room is $8300 for a week in feb 🤢🤮🤢🤮 all inclusive. But if you book it a year out, it's like $3k. I mean even dropping $25 every monday into the travel acct is $1300 in a year and that's usually enough for plane tickets to mexico for us.
 
only reason I bring that up i think is cause for like the last decade I had wished someone like expedia would run sorta a bank acct or membership option where you could pay like $xx per month or per week into a travel savings credit. Then I just sorta made it up on my own with the robinhood lol
 
only reason I bring that up i think is cause for like the last decade I had wished someone like expedia would run sorta a bank acct or membership option where you could pay like $xx per month or per week into a travel savings credit. Then I just sorta made it up on my own with the robinhood lol
That would be a great idea and then they could make interest off of it as payment for that service since it is in their account at that point. Better you making the interest though.
 
That would be a great idea and then they could make interest off of it as payment for that service since it is in their account at that point. Better you making the interest though.
no joke. at this point they could just keep all their member funds in a high yield cash acct and pull 5% off the money just sitting there. lol
 
Plenty of places to get quality MK. Some people are prone to a water retention but no serious sides I can think of. It helps me sleep better, increases my appetite (a very appreciated side effect when you take adderall, those who also take it know that you lose your appetite and even thirst to a degree.).

If you look up a doctor named Rand McClain, he has some video interviews, even specific ones like mk-677. He knows his **** and he offers some good advice about effects, sides, dosing schedule, etc. I personally use it to supplement my HGH and IGF-1 when it isn't feasible to bring the HGH and IGF-1 to pin.
 
Plenty of places to get quality MK. Some people are prone to a water retention but no serious sides I can think of. It helps me sleep better, increases my appetite (a very appreciated side effect when you take adderall, those who also take it know that you lose your appetite and even thirst to a degree.).

If you look up a doctor named Rand McClain, he has some video interviews, even specific ones like mk-677. He knows his **** and he offers some good advice about effects, sides, dosing schedule, etc. I personally use it to supplement my HGH and IGF-1 when it isn't feasible to bring the HGH and IGF-1 to pin.
I have used it a few times, last time I did it my BP went up over 150 about 3 days later. However, I am in much better shape than I was then so might not be an issue. I actually have some from MA Research Chems which is always GTG! I just haven't added it because my coach hasn't mentioned using it. My appetite is much better today, I am pretty sure I was just backed up from the aleve yesterday making me feel full faster. I will look that guy up though just to see what he has to say.
 
I have used it a few times, last time I did it my BP went up over 150 about 3 days later. However, I am in much better shape than I was then so might not be an issue. I actually have some from MA Research Chems which is always GTG! I just haven't added it because my coach hasn't mentioned using it. My appetite is much better today, I am pretty sure I was just backed up from the aleve yesterday making me feel full faster. I will look that guy up though just to see what he has to say.
Wow, that's a hell of a systolic increase from mk alone. Are you positive it was pure and not cut with something? It's never touched my BP,but then again neither does SD so my BP might be a little bit of an anomaly. I'll link the video I'm referencing, hopefully it's beneficial to you guys :)

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Yeah, it cause a lot of people's BP to increase from the extra water retention. It is pretty common. You probably have pretty stable BP. I already had pre-hypertensive BP, and can hold tons of water. I got on Telmisartan afterwards and got BP under control but I haven't had a reason to use it again since then. My focus has been on recomping, and was fasting a lot too so it didn't make any sense for what I was trying to achieve. Also the time before that it was pretty rough on me, giving me edema in my lower legs. That was at 25mg a day, and took a couple weeks after stopping to get rid of all the water in my calves and ankles.
 
12/1/23 - Fasted Weight 199.8 - Down 1.4lbs from yesterday, and really cleaned up a bit and looked very tight this morning.

Back & Hamstrings, Friday, Dec 01, 2023 at 4:44am

Seated Leg Curl (Machine)
Set 1: 75 lbs x 20 @ 9 rpe
Set 2: 80 lbs x 15 @ 9 rpe
Set 3: 85 lbs x 10 @ 9 rpe
Set 4: 55 lbs x 20 @ 8.5 rpe
- "Up 5lbs on all sets next time"

Arsenal Power Squat Good Mornings
Set 1: 270 lbs x 15 @ 8 rpe
Set 2: 270 lbs x 15 @ 8.5 rpe
- Felt great on hamstrings and glutes. Stopped here to keep upper back safe.

Seated Cable Row - Bar Neutral Grip
Set 1: 70 lbs x 15 RPE 8
Set 2: 70 lbs x 15 RPE 8.5
- Kept this light and controlled to keep from hurting myself. made it about a 2RI

Iso-Lateral Lat Pulldown (Machine)
Set 1: 25 lbs x 12 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 2: 25 lbs x 10 @ 9 rpe
- Really focused on the contraction and mind muscle connection -

Straight Arm Lat Pulldown (Cable) 1 set w/ 2 Rest Pauses
Set 1: 70 lbs x 12 @ 9 rpe
Set 2: 70 lbs x 4 @ 9 rpe
Set 3: 70 lbs x 3 @ 10 rpe
- Nice little burn on the lats.

Today was all about safety, and mild stimulation only. I was not in a position to push anything too hard. I started warming up on the rack pulls but 135 was tugging on where I get my trigger points from the spinal issues. I tried a 2nd warm up set and it simply was not meant to be today. So I went with the good mornings on the power squat machine but kept things very reasonable and felt them out. All in all I did get a good pump so some hypertrophy was had today and more importantly, no regression because I did what I could do very well.

On the way in waiting at a light I was looking to my left for a bit watching for my chance to turn right at the light and my right shoulder and arm went numb. Once I turned my head back it ceased, so I know I am still a bit inflamed. I should be good to go tomorrow for Arms, then I get a day to rest again and think I should be doing pretty good by Monday. Thank goodness so far we have not caused the extremely painful trigger points / referral nerve pain yet. So I don't think it is too bad off. Fingers crossed tonight does not make me a liar.
 
dude i'm sorry the nagging injury is riding you. I keep thinking though this past programming you did in 2023 with lower weight, finding contraction and hypertrophy without heavy risk may be a Godsend in how you have learned to navigate and accomplish what you need with less severe impact.
 
dude i'm sorry the nagging injury is riding you. I keep thinking though this past programming you did in 2023 with lower weight, finding contraction and hypertrophy without heavy risk may be a Godsend in how you have learned to navigate and accomplish what you need with less severe impact.
Yeah, this sentiment is why I am still considering doing my own training. Not out of frustration this time, but out of having a big picture outlook. It is hard to make a lot of progress when injured. However with the bump in gear and me getting to at least an RPE8 on everything we know I stimulated some growth. Just not as much as usual. I did revert to how I was actually lifting the weight, slowed things down, and paused in the stretched position to get the most out of the least risky movement style.

I am about to pop 2 aleve though because my trigger point area is starting to feel a little pain just holding myself in good posture with my scaps retracted.
 
Yeah, this sentiment is why I am still considering doing my own training. Not out of frustration this time, but out of having a big picture outlook. It is hard to make a lot of progress when injured. However with the bump in gear and me getting to at least an RPE8 on everything we know I stimulated some growth. Just not as much as usual. I did revert to how I was actually lifting the weight, slowed things down, and paused in the stretched position to get the most out of the least risky movement style.

I am about to pop 2 aleve though because my trigger point area is starting to feel a little pain just holding myself in good posture with my scaps retracted.

Due to my injuries, Pat has me doing RDL to replace the rack pulls. Can you do those since they would tend to have lighter loading than racks?
 
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Due to my injuries, Pat has me doing RDL to replace the rack pulls. Can you do those since they would tend to have lighter loading than racks?
Right now, I think both of those are off the table. Hoping by next Tuesday I will be able to do the RDL's but right now anything pulling my arms down with weight pulling my yoke down is a little bit suspect and triggers it a little bit, even Db lunges with 30's. So I am sure the RDL's would light it up, the 135 on the rack pull warm ups bit me and that is my first warm up set for RDL's. Again, staying positive and believing I will be about 95% by then, or hoping so based on the level of inflammation left. My shoulder and arm are still going numb if i have to turn my head to the left and hold it there for any amount of time. Happened at my desk a little bit ago. Not too bad though. I will be alright. I am sure this weekend Pat and I will get it all figured out.
 
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Yeah, it cause a lot of people's BP to increase from the extra water retention. It is pretty common. You probably have pretty stable BP. I already had pre-hypertensive BP, and can hold tons of water. I got on Telmisartan afterwards and got BP under control but I haven't had a reason to use it again since then. My focus has been on recomping, and was fasting a lot too so it didn't make any sense for what I was trying to achieve. Also the time before that it was pretty rough on me, giving me edema in my lower legs. That was at 25mg a day, and took a couple weeks after stopping to get rid of all the water in my calves and ankles.
BP was insane on MK But I also don’t trust the source of what I was taking. When I started the MA MK I stopped taking g my BP. I have hypertension but had not been treating my body too well prior to May 1 of this yr. Paternal grandfather had his first heart attack at 40, he passed at 63 and my father was 33. My father had stage 2 hypertension and passed from misdiagnosed pneumonia when he really had multiple bilateral pulmonary emboli. He was 63 and I was 33. Anyone else see the pattern?
 
Right now, I think both of those are off the table. Hoping by next Tuesday I will be able to do the RDL's but right now anything pulling my arms down with weight pulling my yoke down is a little bit suspect and triggers it a little bit, even Db lunges with 30's. So I am sure the RDL's would light it up, the 135 on the rack pull warm ups bit me and that is my first warm up set for RDL's. Again, staying positive and believing I will be about 95% by then, or hoping so based on the level of inflammation left. My shoulder and arm are still going numb if i have to turn my head to the left and hold it there for any amount of time. Happened at my desk a little bit ago. Not too bad though. I will be alright. I am sure this weekend Pat and I will get it all figured out.
Do you have a chiro?
 
On the way in waiting at a light I was looking to my left for a bit watching for my chance to turn right at the light and my right shoulder and arm went numb. Once I turned my head back it ceased, so I know I am still a bit inflamed. I should be good to go tomorrow for Arms, then I get a day to rest again and think I should be doing pretty good by Monday. Thank goodness so far we have not caused the extremely painful trigger points / referral nerve pain yet. So I don't think it is too bad off. Fingers crossed tonight does not make me a liar.

Yikes, doesn't sound good. Especially if it's while driving, but at least you were stopped. Hope nothing serious!
 
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BP was insane on MK But I also don’t trust the source of what I was taking. When I started the MA MK I stopped taking g my BP. I have hypertension but had not been treating my body too well prior to May 1 of this yr. Paternal grandfather had his first heart attack at 40, he passed at 63 and my father was 33. My father had stage 2 hypertension and passed from misdiagnosed pneumonia when he really had multiple bilateral pulmonary emboli. He was 63 and I was 33. Anyone else see the pattern?
Yeah, I do which means you definitely should never stop taking your BP meds, and start doing true cardiovascular work a few times a week if not already. You know, so we can keep ya around,. I mean you just got here!
Do you have a chiro?
I do have one, and if things aren't better next week I will spring for a session. Just have to pay cash right now and of course after 3 cars having to be repaired recently the funds aren't there. Going to end up dropping another grand on a repair this weekend.
 
Yikes, doesn't sound good. Especially if it's while driving, but at least you were stopped. Hope nothing serious!
Just that light half asleep feeling starting at my shoulder cap and down my arm but honestly no lack of function or apparent strength loss. Just like touching your tongue to an almost dead 9 volt battery. You may be too young to have done that but us idiots used to do it to test the battery or just for fun / friend challenges after.
 
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Just that light half asleep feeling starting at my shoulder cap and down my arm but honestly no lack of function or apparent strength loss. Just like touching your tongue to an almost dead 9 volt battery. You may be too young to have done that but us idiots used to do it to test the battery or just for fun / friend challenges after.
Dang man sorry to hear this flaring up on you. Sounds almost what I had going on as far as the arm numbing, but mine I am pretty sure was a pinched nerve in the neck shoulder region.
 
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BP was insane on MK But I also don’t trust the source of what I was taking. When I started the MA MK I stopped taking g my BP. I have hypertension but had not been treating my body too well prior to May 1 of this yr. Paternal grandfather had his first heart attack at 40, he passed at 63 and my father was 33. My father had stage 2 hypertension and passed from misdiagnosed pneumonia when he really had multiple bilateral pulmonary emboli. He was 63 and I was 33. Anyone else see the pattern?

My dad’s dad died at 68, and his dad died at 68 also. My dad was 300lbs of morbid obesity majority of his life since age 18, and just turned 74. He may be on a slew of cardiovascular drugs, but he can legit still drive himself around and goes out every day, even while still being fat.

Modern medicine is an incredible thing, so take your meds & do your cardio - you should expect to break the cycle!
 
Right now, I think both of those are off the table. Hoping by next Tuesday I will be able to do the RDL's but right now anything pulling my arms down with weight pulling my yoke down is a little bit suspect and triggers it a little bit, even Db lunges with 30's. So I am sure the RDL's would light it up, the 135 on the rack pull warm ups bit me and that is my first warm up set for RDL's. Again, staying positive and believing I will be about 95% by then, or hoping so based on the level of inflammation left. My shoulder and arm are still going numb if i have to turn my head to the left and hold it there for any amount of time. Happened at my desk a little bit ago. Not too bad though. I will be alright. I am sure this weekend Pat and I will get it all figured out.
Trying to better understand the position that puts the bad strain on you: are you able to do like bench supported rows or seated machine rows?

On the RDLs I rehabbed at 95lbs and every day warm up with the empty bb.

I can't tell you anything you don't already know better than me, but there are some movements like my arm bars and RDLs that have saved my life at incredibly super duper low weights. I mean can you bend over to tie a shoe? That can be an RDL almost....
 
My dad’s dad died at 68, and his dad died at 68 also. My dad was 300lbs of morbid obesity majority of his life since age 18, and just turned 74. He may be on a slew of cardiovascular drugs, but he can legit still drive himself around and goes out every day, even while still being fat.

Modern medicine is an incredible thing, so take your meds & do your cardio - you should expect to break the cycle!
My father was incredibly healthy. He was a DMD, Merrimack College and Tufts Dental cum laude, and believed more in holistic medicine. lived on Salisbury beach, walked a mile a day in the sand, racquet ball, fish pill, garlic pill, total gym(Thank You Chuck Norris!), didn’t drink, didn’t smoke, only caffeine was from green tea for antioxidant purposes but my mother smoked a carton of Newports a week, and 2 handles of vodka or rum/wk and she has lost mental faculties due to Lewy Body Dementia but her physical health is fine. If I had an option I’d rather go out his way
Time will tell. For now just trying to be healthy.
 
Makes sense we are close to the same body weight.

Yeah, I totally get that. Lucky I was able to carve out some time to prep my meals a little differently. This time I weighed all of my rice, and chicken immediately after cooking, put them into ziploc bags one with a blue mark to signify it was for my larger meal. So now I just go to the kitchen grab a bag of chicken and the correct bag of rice and drop it in the nuker with some salsa and I am done. it is definitely worth the couple of extra minutes to do this instead of just putting it all in one bag and measuring out. Of course our jobs are vastly different and getting to a microwave is basically a no go for you 95% of the time right?

It’s definitely a good way to meal prep. The only downside could be that a certain percentage of the carbohydrates turn into resistant starches when you cool them down for 24 hours. This means instead of 4 calories per gram of carbohydrate, it becomes 2 calories. Whether this is important or not depends on how much one cares about it, and the continuity of it.
 
It’s definitely a good way to meal prep. The only downside could be that a certain percentage of the carbohydrates turn into resistant starches when you cool them down for 24 hours. This means instead of 4 calories per gram of carbohydrate, it becomes 2 calories. Whether this is important or not depends on how much one cares about it, and the continuity of it.
Wait, what is this? Carbs cooled down lose caloric value?
 
Trying to better understand the position that puts the bad strain on you: are you able to do like bench supported rows or seated machine rows?

On the RDLs I rehabbed at 95lbs and every day warm up with the empty bb.

I can't tell you anything you don't already know better than me, but there are some movements like my arm bars and RDLs that have saved my life at incredibly super duper low weights. I mean can you bend over to tie a shoe? That can be an RDL almost....
Honestly, at this point I am not 100% sure of what will trigger it at this moment but I know that actual work sets of Rack Pulls or RDL's are not a go right this minute. I am sure I could do them in some form of recovery capacity. However, I also need to continue to make progress or work the area enough not to lose any progress. So at this point my concern isn't so much what to do to recover. The area needs rest, and allowing the inflammation to go down is what is needed. This isn't a muscular injury, or imbalance but the result of an acute injury where inflammation creates the issue by pressing on the nerve and once that inflammation is gone so is the issue so long as I don't put a bar back on my spine. Right now my concern is what to do for hypertrophy in that area in the meantime.

Tuesday is my next leg day and the next day that should push the area a bit. I have RDLs, and lunges that day. So I will be testing things out then and then doing some extra work on supported rows or some seated cable rows if I find I can not do them. I did try to do the Arsenal Supported Row Bench Rows on back day, and it wasn't too bad but also wasn't a good or non problematic feeling either. So, I felt I was safer with a light cable row to stimulate and get a lot of blood into the area instead after trying them.

My father was incredibly healthy. He was a DMD, Merrimack College and Tufts Dental cum laude, and believed more in holistic medicine. lived on Salisbury beach, walked a mile a day in the sand, racquet ball, fish pill, garlic pill, total gym(Thank You Chuck Norris!), didn’t drink, didn’t smoke, only caffeine was from green tea for antioxidant purposes but my mother smoked a carton of Newports a week, and 2 handles of vodka or rum/wk and she has lost mental faculties due to Lewy Body Dementia but her physical health is fine. If I had an option I’d rather go out his way
Time will tell. For now just trying to be healthy.
Yeah, when it is genetic unfortunately the holistic stuff is just good nutriton practice. It is not medicine and can't offer what the medicines out now do. Not even close in most cases. If so the FDA and Big Pharma would ban them as supplements, and make them a medicine for profit. If you take the medicines you need to help out you should live longer.
It’s definitely a good way to meal prep. The only downside could be that a certain percentage of the carbohydrates turn into resistant starches when you cool them down for 24 hours. This means instead of 4 calories per gram of carbohydrate, it becomes 2 calories. Whether this is important or not depends on how much one cares about it, and the continuity of it.
Very interesting, I was looking and it looks like it might be closer to what was 4g is now 3g, but 25% is still a big discrepancy. Of course that is just from 2 different studies I just went and looked at after you mentioning this. You may be getting your information from newer or more reliable studies. There is also an added benefit to the resistant starches for gut and lower intestinal health from the resistant carbs. Which could allow more of the rice to be digested and free some of the carbs from rice up that might otherwise just be excreted.

I think most importantly as you mentioned though, the key here is consistency. If you have always refrigerated your rice, or at least do so now and continue to do so then keeping that level of consistency is going to mean when you bump carbs up or down you will always be adjusting rice cooked and cooled the same way. So, the results should remain somewhat predictable, because it's nutritional worth should be the same gram per gram.

Do you know of a rice cooker that can keep rice warm for days. I have heard of them but when I look even at the $300+ rice cookers I don't see any touting more than 30 hours. I guess the other option would be to make exactly what I needed nightly, leave it on extended then pack it up in some type of insulated device to keep it hot throughout the day. How do you cook your rice?
Wait, what is this? Carbs cooled down lose caloric value?
Yeah, if you google it you will find a ton of articles, studies and information on it. That being said, I may ask my coach if he has any preference on how I prepare my rice. One thing that was also mentioned is basically that the resistant starches act in the same way as fiber slowing down the absorption rate, and blunting both the glycemic and insulin response. So never cooled rice might be better after a workout if trying to get things in there as quickly as possible.

I was 197.4 lbs today, weight is still dropping back down. I kind of expect to see an increase in calories again this week with that being the case. I think my metabolism is revving up with the big increase in carbs, which caused a pretty good increase in overall volume of training this week for anything not affected by my injury.

I am about to take my pre-workout and head to the gym here in about 30 minutes. It is Arm day, so it should be a fun day at the gym.
 
Body builders have been storing their food for decades after cooking, it seems like if there was a substantial issue/discrepancy there life would be quite different in the fitness world.
 
Body builders have been storing their food for decades after cooking, it seems like if there was a substantial issue/discrepancy there life would be quite different in the fitness world.
Well it goes back to that consistency thing. If most people prep it this way all the time then all of their adjustments are also based on the effects it has on their body of being cooked and stored in that manner. So most people might get one or two servings out of a large preparation of rice that hasn't been cooled for 24+ hours but the rest of the batch is going to pretty much be the same 24hr+ cooled rice which still results in consistency and predictability or outcome.

The studies definitely show this to be true, and cooling the rice for over 24 hours is apparently something recommended to people with diabetes to help with insulin control.
 
Do you know of a rice cooker that can keep rice warm for days. I have heard of them but when I look even at the $300+ rice cookers I don't see any touting more than 30 hours. I guess the other option would be to make exactly what I needed nightly, leave it on extended then pack it up in some type of insulated device to keep it hot throughout the day. How do you cook your rice?
I have over 25 years of experience in food production. Although there is a wide range of specialized equipment available for professionals, I generally don't recommend it due to the high risk of bacterial growth. We typically use such equipment only for sous vide meat or recipes that require several days of heat treatment. Preparing rice in this manner, for instance, can be particularly risky.

Here are some links to hot boxes, some of which have electric heating elements and can be plugged into a car. They are useful for keeping food warm for a few hours.
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I currently prepare my rice and carbohydrates daily, but I need to change this routine. During my bulking phase, preparing carbs for several days at a time was more efficient and easier. I would either portion them out immediately or calculate the calories per portion based on the cooked weight of the rice. This way, I knew exactly how many calories I was consuming with each portion.

Your suggestion to prepare and freeze food in bags is very practical and effective. These can be heated in a hotel microwave when traveling, or you could bring a portable oven or heater from Amazon. A cheap rice cooker or air fryer could also be useful if you're short on prep time.

I avoid buying pre-cooked rice or similar products because I don't trust their processing and nutritional labeling. Producing food like this can be challenging, as the labels often lack accurate information.

I mentioned resistant carbs because that info could offer that extra 0.1% advantage when you’re within 8-12 weeks of a competition. I could imagine that the last part is going to be tough mentally, so I believe that mental preparation could offer some security and a competitive edge.
 
Honestly, at this point I am not 100% sure of what will trigger it at this moment but I know that actual work sets of Rack Pulls or RDL's are not a go right this minute. I am sure I could do them in some form of recovery capacity. However, I also need to continue to make progress or work the area enough not to lose any progress. So at this point my concern isn't so much what to do to recover. The area needs rest, and allowing the inflammation to go down is what is needed. This isn't a muscular injury, or imbalance but the result of an acute injury where inflammation creates the issue by pressing on the nerve and once that inflammation is gone so is the issue so long as I don't put a bar back on my spine. Right now my concern is what to do for hypertrophy in that area in the meantime.

Tuesday is my next leg day and the next day that should push the area a bit. I have RDLs, and lunges that day. So I will be testing things out then and then doing some extra work on supported rows or some seated cable rows if I find I can not do them. I did try to do the Arsenal Supported Row Bench Rows on back day, and it wasn't too bad but also wasn't a good or non problematic feeling either. So, I felt I was safer with a light cable row to stimulate and get a lot of blood into the area instead after trying them.

Yeah, when it is genetic unfortunately the holistic stuff is just good nutriton practice. It is not medicine and can't offer what the medicines out now do. Not even close in most cases. If so the FDA and Big Pharma would ban them as supplements, and make them a medicine for profit. If you take the medicines you need to help out you should live longer.
Very interesting, I was looking and it looks like it might be closer to what was 4g is now 3g, but 25% is still a big discrepancy. Of course that is just from 2 different studies I just went and looked at after you mentioning this. You may be getting your information from newer or more reliable studies. There is also an added benefit to the resistant starches for gut and lower intestinal health from the resistant carbs. Which could allow more of the rice to be digested and free some of the carbs from rice up that might otherwise just be excreted.

I think most importantly as you mentioned though, the key here is consistency. If you have always refrigerated your rice, or at least do so now and continue to do so then keeping that level of consistency is going to mean when you bump carbs up or down you will always be adjusting rice cooked and cooled the same way. So, the results should remain somewhat predictable, because it's nutritional worth should be the same gram per gram.

Do you know of a rice cooker that can keep rice warm for days. I have heard of them but when I look even at the $300+ rice cookers I don't see any touting more than 30 hours. I guess the other option would be to make exactly what I needed nightly, leave it on extended then pack it up in some type of insulated device to keep it hot throughout the day. How do you cook your rice?

Yeah, if you google it you will find a ton of articles, studies and information on it. That being said, I may ask my coach if he has any preference on how I prepare my rice. One thing that was also mentioned is basically that the resistant starches act in the same way as fiber slowing down the absorption rate, and blunting both the glycemic and insulin response. So never cooled rice might be better after a workout if trying to get things in there as quickly as possible.

I was 197.4 lbs today, weight is still dropping back down. I kind of expect to see an increase in calories again this week with that being the case. I think my metabolism is revving up with the big increase in carbs, which caused a pretty good increase in overall volume of training this week for anything not affected by my injury.

I am about to take my pre-workout and head to the gym here in about 30 minutes. It is Arm day, so it should be a fun day at the gym.
I am basic w rice prep. I make 2 servings at a time in a bowl in the mic, then add olive oil AFTER I cook or reheat. Thanks @Hyde for that chestnut!!!
 
I think (as has already been said multiple times) consistency is really all that matters when it comes to this kind of thing.

I think it is important to keep in mind "resistant starches" is a classification system in and of itself and that there are multiple (five) forms of them. The RS3 or retrograde starch is typically what people bring up in this talk about rice, pasta, and I think potatoes (uncooked potatoes are like unripe bananas a different form of resistant starch [RS2])?

Regardless the amount of change to RS will depend on several factors and probably isn't even the same for all rices and other sorts of variables. I honestly am unsure if it is worth worrying about.

Considering most food labels can be off up to 20%, the amount of food you absorb can vary depending on you and the specific foods (and potentially changes over time), various thermic effects of food types and other factors we probably don't even fully understand yet you can definitely lose your mind trying to account for all the variables (and that is only the "in" side of the equation).

So I'll end my comment where I started, if you are monitoring progress and are relatively consistent those things tend to balance out and you should be able to gauge based on your progress if you need "more" or "less" and what exactly that means for each food matters less.

Side note though is that ya for health purposes things like this may have more importance for those trying to improve health markers and similar aspects, but I hope most of the people who would want to worry about this are already eating enough fiber and other health related diet inclusions anyways. ;)
Well said Sir.
I have over 25 years of experience in food production. Although there is a wide range of specialized equipment available for professionals, I generally don't recommend it due to the high risk of bacterial growth. We typically use such equipment only for sous vide meat or recipes that require several days of heat treatment. Preparing rice in this manner, for instance, can be particularly risky.

Here are some links to hot boxes, some of which have electric heating elements and can be plugged into a car. They are useful for keeping food warm for a few hours.
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I currently prepare my rice and carbohydrates daily, but I need to change this routine. During my bulking phase, preparing carbs for several days at a time was more efficient and easier. I would either portion them out immediately or calculate the calories per portion based on the cooked weight of the rice. This way, I knew exactly how many calories I was consuming with each portion.

Your suggestion to prepare and freeze food in bags is very practical and effective. These can be heated in a hotel microwave when traveling, or you could bring a portable oven or heater from Amazon. A cheap rice cooker or air fryer could also be useful if you're short on prep time.

I avoid buying pre-cooked rice or similar products because I don't trust their processing and nutritional labeling. Producing food like this can be challenging, as the labels often lack accurate information.

I mentioned resistant carbs because that info could offer that extra 0.1% advantage when you’re within 8-12 weeks of a competition. I could imagine that the last part is going to be tough mentally, so I believe that mental preparation could offer some security and a competitive edge.
Cool, thanks for the links, and the advice.
I am basic w rice prep. I make 2 servings at a time in a bowl in the mic, then add olive oil AFTER I cook or reheat. Thanks @Hyde for that chestnut!!!
There ya go! It all works.

I am just gonna stick with what I have been doing and not muddy the waters on anything. Coach likes the progress he is seeing and so do I. So, that is enough for me right now as we are ramping up calories and prep doesn't need to become more difficult. Although, I may use the opposite approach as things become harder to eat while we push calories. Making the rice daily sounds like it will aid in speeding up how fast it is processed which would make getting the calories in a little easier.
 
12/2/23 - Fasted Weight 197.4

Arms - Saturday, Dec 02, 2023 at 5:38pm

SA Triceps Rope Extension
Set 1: 40 lbs x 20 @ 9.5 rpe
Set 2: 40 lbs x 15 @ 9 rpe
Set 3: 50 lbs x 10 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 4: 30 lbs x 20 @ 10 rpe
- Just barely got that last one in.

Triceps Kickback (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 20 lbs x 12 @ 9 rpe
Set 2: 20 lbs x 12 @ 9 rpe
Set 3: 20 lbs x 12 @ 10 rpe -
Barely got these in, also this is bothering my shouilder right now. Will ask coach for a temporary replacement suggestion if not I will fill volume with something close to the same stimulus if possible.

EZ Bar Skullcrusher
Set 1: 60 lbs x 15 @ 9.5 rpe
Set 2: 60 lbs x 12 @ 10 rpe
Set 3: 60 lbs x 8 @ 10 rpe [Failure] -
Will stay here, these bars were a lot thicker grip and it the extra volume before wiped me out for these.

Diamond Push Up
Set 1: 12 reps
Set 2: 9 reps
Set 3: 7 reps -
I lost 2 reps on the 2nd set but got them back on the 3rd, so no progress on this move but did not fall back either.

Single Arm Preacher Curl - Hammer Strength Preacher Curl today
Set 1: 45 lbs x 7 @ 9.5 rpe
Set 2: 35 lbs x 7 @ 9.5 rpe
Set 3: 25 lbs x 7 @ 10 rpe -
I don't have a comparison on this exercise but I pushed hard!!!!

EZ Bar Biceps Curl
Set 1: 40 lbs x 15 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 2: 40 lbs x 12 @ 10 rpe [Failure]
Set 3: 40 lbs x 8 @ 10 rpe [Failure] -
I really felt the difference here on the thicker grip, made the movement harder than expected plus slightly different angle / hand placement on this bar so arms were in a different position. Plus I could not do the dead hang very well here so had to retract and depress scaps so basically a different move altogether.

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12/3/23 - Fasted Weight - 200.2 lbs, looking tight and full today.

I still seem to be improving and am going to use aleve all day today to get some more of the swelling down. I have not been using it on training days unless I really need it. No reason to blunt the effects of training so long as it is getting better.
 
Yeah, I do which means you definitely should never stop taking your BP meds, and start doing true cardiovascular work a few times a week if not already. You know, so we can keep ya around,. I mean you just got here!
I do have one, and if things aren't better next week I will spring for a session. Just have to pay cash right now and of course after 3 cars having to be repaired recently the funds aren't there. Going to end up dropping another grand on a repair this weekend.
I’m fortunate that I have a good chiropractor, that’s also a physical therapist for a lot of our local college athletes. I get that impingement in my neck periodically causing numbness or pain in the shoulder blades, but my chiro. always does a great job “cracking” my neck and shoulder blades. I’ve gone to him for years, but I still get that tingling in the head and just feel good when I walk out of his office after each treatment. Hopefully you will be able to find some relief…. I hate nagging injuries.
 
I’m fortunate that I have a good chiropractor, that’s also a physical therapist for a lot of our local college athletes. I get that impingement in my neck periodically causing numbness or pain in the shoulder blades, but my chiro. always does a great job “cracking” my neck and shoulder blades. I’ve gone to him for years, but I still get that tingling in the head and just feel good when I walk out of his office after each treatment. Hopefully you will be able to find some relief…. I hate nagging injuries.
Yeah, going to mine normally helps a bit. I may try to sneak out to him this week and have him give me an adjustment. See if it helps anything. I can toss an extra $50 out there but my ART guy sells his stuff in 4 packs so it is a bit more expensive to go see him.

12/4/23 - Fasted Weight 202.1- I had to crunch my meals closer to each other, and ate my last meal later than usual which tends to result in a higher waking weight for me.

This morning has been a slight source of frustration. My wife and I either both slept through my alarm for the gym, or it didn't go off this morning. So I ended up behind the 8 ball on morning preparations and will have to go to the gym tonight which is not an exciting idea since i get all amped up and it is hard to go to sleep. I may just choose to work out in the evening on Tuesday as well since I may be up too late tonight. Then I can reset Wednesday when i don't have to be up that early since no lifting Wednesday. Also, getting in all of my food when I am not awake and eating from 3:45Am on is hard to do anyway with the volume of rice and meat.

Anyway, I made the best of the situation and took some more aleve when I got up to get any lingering inflammation down before my session. I brought my highest fat containing meal which is normally my evening meal to work and am leaving my largest lowfat carb meal for post workout. So today instead of carbs declining throughout the day they will be moved to the evening around my workout. Not a huge adjustment, but I felt it needed to be made.

I don't know if my diet is changing this week yet, coach had his show on Saturday and wasn't accepting check ins until yesterday so I haven't seen the new recommendations for exercises or if my meal plan is changing just yet. This was something we were warned in advance about. So no big deal.
 
You've been on my mind a lot lately as I've been contemplating and moving towards my Dec cardio goal of 930 minutes. Doing little walks with the dogs etc and finding opportunities in the day to get more in here and there has reminded me a lot of your lunch walks at work. Sorta funny how we start logging for our own historical data and then grab so many tidbits of gold from other peoples logs.


Well it goes back to that consistency thing.
I think (as has already been said multiple times) consistency is really all that matters when it comes to this kind of thing.


I was thinking about that but couldn't find a way to articulate it concisely. But yeah consistency. If you think you're eating 3,500 calories a day very consistently and it turns out it's only 3,000 calories a day because of these drop offs (or the other way around) doesn't really matter because if you're consistent with what you're eating then the data is still going to be helpful in a roundabout way.
 
Oh yeah, I learn something from most logs I am following. That is why I never stop any off topic conversations in my log. Open dialogue allows the opportunities to learn even more from a log. Sometimes even about how to live life, which can sometimes prove to be more valuable than what you learn about fitness in them as well. That's why I love that our tight knit group here in each others logs tend to talk about their lives as well as their workouts.
 
Ya I think people get too obsessed trying to refigure it out all the time. If you’re consistent who cares as long as you make progress.

SBS uses an “assume, estimate or observe” approach. Once you are consistent you don’t need to assume anymore or use formulas to estimate. You just observe what your progress is doing an adjust based on what that tells you. 😁

Kleen is so far into observing status already. 😂
Yeah, no need to reinvent the wheel with the current progress being as good as it is.
 
If you’re consistent who cares as long as you make progress.

totally agree. I just wish I was surrounded more around strength athletes when I was sub 10%, or even legit competitive bodybuilders so I could have intelligently increased calories at a time in my life when 2hrs a day of output was the norm, comfortable and my lifestyle.
 
Yeah, but would you have listened back then? When I was into HIT training, you couldn't tell me that volume training was better. I would be like well it works for you but you would be even better if you were doing what I am... LMAO. A couple surgeries, and some maturing later and I am all about listening and learning anything I can to do things better. However, then I was convinced what I was doing was superior. We all have our seasons, and you may have missed some of the other experiences you have had in life if you had done things differently. I am guessing you are pretty happy with your life now, so no worries. You are making great progress now which is something you might not be doing as well if you were a lot more advanced, and lets be honest the proof of getting better is a huge part of the excitement of what we do. So you get to enjoy that over 40 which is awesome for you now.
 
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