The dissapearing man

gphagan1 said:
Waiting and taking bloods later sounds like a good plan, because that will give you more of a realistic picture of how things look moving forward. On those low doses, you’ll probably feel pretty good and have some good gym aggression to push that strength. I believe you could get to 405 on bench a little quicker than you think with what you’ve done in the past. Just obviously be careful with injuries. That actually sounds like a good recomp cycle, they all three are good on their own in a recomp and strength but that synergy together with Test just makes it better. I wish my old joints didn’t have issues on Epistane, because it is such a good all purpose oral.
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Id like to run epistane solo one day just to see what the drawbacks on bloods are specificly from epistane. I know whats typical but id like to know exactly.
Hyde said:
He has to work his technique if he wants to go from 370 to 405. That’s almost 10% increase for an already advanced lifter (training age, past drug exposure, etc). Something radical needs to happen to get back to 370s THEN also add another 30+lbs. The drugs will not be radically higher, nor peak bodyweight/muscle size, so getting better at benching is the most feasible way. This is done with increased frequency as well as some technical review/instruction.

It took me 4 years and gaining 13lbs more peak bodyweight to go from 352 to 396. I never benched more than twice a week.

@Smont studies of powerlifters show increased strength benefits of increasing weekly bench frequency up to 4x a week, with 3x being the real money spot, if you can adjust total volume to make that recoverable. But you also need to have a decent technique, so if you can find someone great at benching to teach you or follow some videos that would be ideal.
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You nailed the one factor thats very important. First i gotta get back to 370 lol. I think i can use the 6 weeks to get back to tgat 350-370 area or pass it if i up the bench frequency. 3x week is doable, my buddy actually suggested it bench every other day and have 1 deadlift day and 1 squat day that alternate between benching sessions. I dont have time for being in the gym 6 days a week. But i can to 4 days.

Sonething like tuesday i compitition bench, deadlift, ohp and some fluff.

Thursday squat, weighted chins and close grip bench and some fluff

Saturday i bench with my push workout

Sunday legs and back.

Id get to bench 3x
Deadlift 1x
Ohp 1x
Weighted chins ,1x
Squat 1x

And still hit everything at least 2x a week.

I dont want to over complicate snd get Paralysis by analysis where im too worried about the program and not putting time under the bar.

So i do think il just find a way to squeeze bench into other workouts

The other alternative was do a full body monday, wedensday, friday and just do arms and lagging stuff on the weekends. I know a lot of guys dont like full body, i personally do. Its boring but it always works for me
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yeah good point. I had it in my head his bench was bigger than that for some reason. I think just because I have always been impressed with his bench numbers for someone who isn't powerlifting.
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Hyde said:
Well it’s actually because of this that I think it’s really doable. Theoretically, the crappier his bench technique is now, the better - I have put 15lbs on people’s bench in one session who were making big mistakes, and 30lbs within a month, just from fixing dumb things with feet, hands, wrists, etc. I doubt Smont’s is as bad as he leads on, but if he can get even 10lbs more out of a better technique for him, that’s 10 less he has to add via size or actually getting stronger.

But if there’s any low-hanging fruit, we want to grab it!
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My bench form is basically how you would see a bodybuilder bench through full range of motion, slight pause at the bottom. My tweaks are to prevent shoulder pain. So its not thst i have bad bench form, i just dont bench like a PL and i need to leasn how to. Ive been told if you take someone who benches normal and you get them dialed in with PL form your numbers will go up 15-20lbs without getting stronger and then you should have some newb gains where your improved form makes initial progress. Im talking hearsay and wgatva strength coach told me. Not the greatest bench coach tho. He was strongman 6'3 300lb guy but bench is his worst lift
 
Smont said:
My bench form is basically how you would see a bodybuilder bench through full range of motion, slight pause at the bottom. My tweaks are to prevent shoulder pain. So its not thst i have bad bench form, i just dont bench like a PL and i need to leasn how to. Ive been told if you take someone who benches normal and you get them dialed in with PL form your numbers will go up 15-20lbs without getting stronger and then you should have some newb gains where your improved form makes initial progress. Im talking hearsay and wgatva strength coach told me. Not the greatest bench coach tho. He was strongman 6'3 300lb guy but bench is his worst lift
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Well, his logic holds up. If you can get the chest up better you’re going to shorten ROM AND protect the shoulders better, plus shift muscular emphasis so the new stimulus will definitely be a thing. Within a month it could be stronger even.

This isn’t rocket science. I don’t want to overemphasize form - it’s not going to take a 315 bencher to 500. There’s a lot of muscle that needs to be built for that. But you do still want a reasonably efficient stroke that gives you better leverage; no downsides there.
 
Man some great convo in here, don't have much to add to the info that hasn't been said.
 
Hyde said:
Yeah, started at 50mg and crept it up to 120. Mostly 100mg/wk average. Test & mast were more or less about 1:1 over the run.
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👍💪...just don't think the pip would be worth it to me. That's one thing that surprises me about primo for a drug thats supposed to be "mild" I heard the pip can be pretty gnarly which is why I suspect test p is used for fake primo. Test p always gives a pretty decent pip kick to the injection site
 
After a few sets of squats i did some deadlifts which is normal for me, i dont go hard on both in the same workout. On 365×3 i felt something give im the low back (again 😞) im not injured, i dropped the bar in time. It still seems like anyrhing over 325ish i cant do reps. My form breaks if i dont stop for a few secconds between reps


Is doing 3 singles in a period of say 20 secconds as good as a set of 3? I think i need to do them that way
 
Smont said:
After a few sets of squats i did some deadlifts which is normal for me, i dont go hard on both in the same workout. On 365×3 i felt something give im the low back (again ) im not injured, i dropped the bar in time. It still seems like anyrhing over 325ish i cant do reps. My form breaks if i dont stop for a few secconds between reps


Is doing 3 singles in a period of say 20 secconds as good as a set of 3? I think i need to do them that way
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I think for the sake of protecting your back, doing 3 singles in 30 seconds would be just as good as a set of 3. Question though…when you’re doing a set of 3, are you touching the floor then pulling or are you going to the floor, resetting then pulling for each of the 3 reps?
 
Smont said:
After a few sets of squats i did some deadlifts which is normal for me, i dont go hard on both in the same workout. On 365×3 i felt something give im the low back (again 😞) im not injured, i dropped the bar in time. It still seems like anyrhing over 325ish i cant do reps. My form breaks if i dont stop for a few secconds between reps


Is doing 3 singles in a period of say 20 secconds as good as a set of 3? I think i need to do them that way
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Its called getting old brother...sorry ( no sarcasm I legit feel bad for you I know you like to go heavy)
 
Mikereyn513 said:
Its called getting old brother...sorry ( no sarcasm I legit feel bad for you I know you like to go heavy)
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Its not my age, although my age dont help. Ive had this issue with deadlifts for probably 15 years. I did some damage in my early 20's delivering furniture and appliances. I think thats the root cause. I know age dont help, but age is not the cause
 
sammpedd88 said:
I think for the sake of protecting your back, doing 3 singles in 30 seconds would be just as good as a set of 3. Question though…when you’re doing a set of 3, are you touching the floor then pulling or are you going to the floor, resetting then pulling for each of the 3 reps?
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Full ROM on every rep. But, i think sometimes i dont fully reset. Thats why im thinking of doing it like 3 singles so i have to get ready on every rep
 
Smont said:
Full ROM on every rep. But, i think sometimes i dont fully reset. Thats why im thinking of doing it like 3 singles so i have to get ready on every rep
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I think 3 singles is a good idea, especially if you think you’re not fully resetting. I have to go light on squats for that very reason, back issues (mine is old age), but even with lighter weight and higher reps I have to go slow and focus on resetting on every rep to not create what I call a spring back effect in the lower back, with the change of direction from lowering to pressing back up.
 
gphagan1 said:
I think 3 singles is a good idea, especially if you think you’re not fully resetting. I have to go light on squats for that very reason, back issues (mine is old age), but even with lighter weight and higher reps I have to go slow and focus on resetting on every rep to not create what I call a spring back effect in the lower back, with the change of direction from lowering to pressing back up.
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I think i gotta. My form on deadlifts breaks really fast. I should know better by now 😞 definately a careless move. The funny part is when im lifting with some of the younger guys whos form is bad i constantly remind them to slow down and set up each rep. Then i rip away like a tard lol
 
Smont said:
After a few sets of squats i did some deadlifts which is normal for me, i dont go hard on both in the same workout. On 365×3 i felt something give im the low back (again 😞) im not injured, i dropped the bar in time. It still seems like anyrhing over 325ish i cant do reps. My form breaks if i dont stop for a few secconds between reps


Is doing 3 singles in a period of say 20 secconds as good as a set of 3? I think i need to do them that way
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people say correct form.....then you see the pros fuckin swingin everything! i think 3 in 20 seconds is perfect if thats how it works for you!
 
johnny412 said:
people say correct form.....then you see the pros fuckin swingin everything! i think 3 in 20 seconds is perfect if thats how it works for you!
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I think Those guys been training so long they know how to get a good contraction from anything. And a lot of them are so strong in comparison to the weight there using its easy for them to still have control while repping away. Im sure all the hgh and insulin helps with that too 🤑
 
On the deadlifts you could also just do singles every 30 seconds with that and stop once it gets to be hard just to stay safe. Call that one set.
 
MrKleen73 said:
On the deadlifts you could also just do singles every 30 seconds with that and stop once it gets to be hard just to stay safe. Call that one set.
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Not a bad idea either. I think im gonna cut deadlift back to a few sets 1× week and do my sets like you said. Focus more on squats seccond to bench. In the meantime im gonna do arms tomorrow and back off the weight on a few things till the tightness/soreness goes away
 
Smont said:
Full ROM on every rep. But, i think sometimes i dont fully reset. Thats why im thinking of doing it like 3 singles so i have to get ready on every rep
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Yes I agree. When you bring the weight back down, don’t let go of the bar and just totally reset yourself, set your lats and pull. I think doing that with doubles and triples would be much better and safer for you with your back. Did you ever get a belt? I know you were looking at the Rouge belt I posted a while back.
 
sammpedd88 said:
Yes I agree. When you bring the weight back down, don’t let go of the bar and just totally reset yourself, set your lats and pull. I think doing that with doubles and triples would be much better and safer for you with your back. Did you ever get a belt? I know you were looking at the Rouge belt I posted a while back.
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I already have a belt, but it sucks, i was talking with someone about buying theres and honestly i forgot all about it. Ive been busy and it slipped my mind
 
Get that belt.

Josh Bryant likes timed sets sometimes for his lifters in the offseason. Like as many singles as you can get in 1 minute with a weight you would use for a regular ~30 sec hypertrophy set. Your conditioning will get pushed and you will acquire your total volume in less total “sets”/minutes.

Or you can just focus on full reset every rep the way most powerlifters do. It’s well known touch n go is both worse for building peak strength AND much riskier for injury. If you need absolute constant tension, do RDLs or GMs.

But I can say from experience you will absolutely hypertrophy from full reset deadlifts done in sufficient volume (sets of 6s, 8s, etc).
 
Hyde said:
Get that belt.

Josh Bryant likes timed sets sometimes for his lifters in the offseason. Like as many singles as you can get in 1 minute with a weight you would use for a regular ~30 sec hypertrophy set. Your conditioning will get pushed and you will acquire your total volume in less total “sets”/minutes.

Or you can just focus on full reset every rep the way most powerlifters do. It’s well known touch n go is both worse for building peak strength AND much riskier for injury. If you need absolute constant tension, do RDLs or GMs.

But I can say from experience you will absolutely hypertrophy from full reset deadlifts done in sufficient volume (sets of 6s, 8s, etc).
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Thank all you guys, everyone who chimed in on this was very helpfull.

Heres my last question, i know mikey is gonna say yeaterday lol, but when do you think i give up deadlifts. Id like to do them forever but i cant just keep hurting myself forever on this. I also was thinking hard last night and ive never fuked up training deads witj a partner or group. Its always solo. Maybe i dont deadlift solo because i like to move too quickly through my lifts. And even tho i know better maybe its just smarter to only train traditional deads occosionally. I dont get hurt squatting heavy, or benching heavy. I might get repititive use injury or soreness but i never get hurt mid set on anything but deadlifts and occosionally bent rows. Basically i think i need to leave this lower back alone.

Deadlift less often and make it count when i do them.

Squat more often, maybe use the hex bar or do some barbell hack squats as a deadlift replacement. Both of those are more lower back friendly and will help with leg mass. My legs are actually looking decent lately too. Theres like no fat on them excpt inner thighs. Obviously i could use a little more leg size so maybe this is my win win ?
 
Also, i harvested and cured my plant, i finally got ahold ofvthe guy my dad got the seeds from. Tangerine dream. Pretty good and smells like citrus. Got about a half pound in bags that i have to trim and i only got 2oz prepped. Holy fuckballz its a lot of work to trim them. Now i know why growers pay ppl to trim.

I was given 2 small plants that flowered early but they smell great. Alien mintz x runtz strain. Probably 2-3 oz is all thats coming off of them. Tho. Il post pictures after i get some more trimmed and cured. Im enjoying growing and its so weird that its not illegal here any more lol.
 
Smont said:
Also, i harvested and cured my plant, i finally got ahold ofvthe guy my dad got the seeds from. Tangerine dream. Pretty good and smells like citrus. Got about a half pound in bags that i have to trim and i only got 2oz prepped. Holy fuckballz its a lot of work to trim them. Now i know why growers pay ppl to trim.

I was given 2 small plants that flowered early but they smell great. Alien mintz x runtz strain. Probably 2-3 oz is all thats coming off of them. Tho. Il post pictures after i get some more trimmed and cured. Im enjoying growing and its so weird that its not illegal here any more lol.
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To add on to this, ive taken a break from smoking or eating edibles and sleep is worse then usual dispite feeling fine and rested. Whos got a replacement night time thing i can do.

DISCLAIMER! I HAVE TRIED ALMOST EVERYTHING OTC. IVE NEVER TRIED A SINGLE INGREDIENT PRODUCT THAT WORKS FOR ME. MELATONIN DOES NOTHING FOR ME AT ANY DOSE SO I DONT EVEN BOTHER.

IM not so much looking for a sleep supplement as i am a relaxation type thing. I need a way to wind down at the end of the day. My gears are always spinning. Thc turns the gears down to low speed for me and help me not worry about tomorrow and the 5000 things i need to do.

So insread of sleep suggestions, im looking for more of things you would use to just chill the **** out lol. Like a glass of scotch but im california sober so booze is out. And unhealthy anyways.

Suggestions ?
 
Smont said:
To add on to this, ive taken a break from smoking or eating edibles and sleep is worse then usual dispite feeling fine and rested. Whos got a replacement night time thing i can do.

DISCLAIMER! I HAVE TRIED ALMOST EVERYTHING OTC. IVE NEVER TRIED A SINGLE INGREDIENT PRODUCT THAT WORKS FOR ME. MELATONIN DOES NOTHING FOR ME AT ANY DOSE SO I DONT EVEN BOTHER.

IM not so much looking for a sleep supplement as i am a relaxation type thing. I need a way to wind down at the end of the day. My gears are always spinning. Thc turns the gears down to low speed for me and help me not worry about tomorrow and the 5000 things i need to do.

So insread of sleep suggestions, im looking for more of things you would use to just chill the **** out lol. Like a glass of scotch but im california sober so booze is out. And unhealthy anyways.

Suggestions ?
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Have you tried ashwaganda and L-Theanine? Maybe even throw some magnesium in with it about an hour before bed time. It seems to relax me. I also throw 3 - 5 mgs of melatonin in with it but I know you said it doesn’t work for you.
 
Smont said:
To add on to this, ive taken a break from smoking or eating edibles and sleep is worse then usual dispite feeling fine and rested. Whos got a replacement night time thing i can do.

DISCLAIMER! I HAVE TRIED ALMOST EVERYTHING OTC. IVE NEVER TRIED A SINGLE INGREDIENT PRODUCT THAT WORKS FOR ME. MELATONIN DOES NOTHING FOR ME AT ANY DOSE SO I DONT EVEN BOTHER.

IM not so much looking for a sleep supplement as i am a relaxation type thing. I need a way to wind down at the end of the day. My gears are always spinning. Thc turns the gears down to low speed for me and help me not worry about tomorrow and the 5000 things i need to do.

So insread of sleep suggestions, im looking for more of things you would use to just chill the **** out lol. Like a glass of scotch but im california sober so booze is out. And unhealthy anyways.

Suggestions ?
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Have you looked into Delta-9 gummies?
 
Smont said:
Thank all you guys, everyone who chimed in on this was very helpfull.

Heres my last question, i know mikey is gonna say yeaterday lol, but when do you think i give up deadlifts. Id like to do them forever but i cant just keep hurting myself forever on this. I also was thinking hard last night and ive never fuked up training deads witj a partner or group. Its always solo. Maybe i dont deadlift solo because i like to move too quickly through my lifts. And even tho i know better maybe its just smarter to only train traditional deads occosionally. I dont get hurt squatting heavy, or benching heavy. I might get repititive use injury or soreness but i never get hurt mid set on anything but deadlifts and occosionally bent rows. Basically i think i need to leave this lower back alone.

Deadlift less often and make it count when i do them.

Squat more often, maybe use the hex bar or do some barbell hack squats as a deadlift replacement. Both of those are more lower back friendly and will help with leg mass. My legs are actually looking decent lately too. Theres like no fat on them excpt inner thighs. Obviously i could use a little more leg size so maybe this is my win win ?
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I watched this last night. I am always late to the party and you have prob seen this already. Eddie Hall goes over deadlift form. He starts off the rack, walks the weight back, lowers and does 1st rep “A to B”. He also recommends partials. The opposite of rack pulls. Floor to just above knee high. He may mention that he has deadlifted 500 kilos. More to the point if we played a drinking game called “500 kilos” we’d both need our stomachs pumped 🤣🤣🤣


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PolishHamm3r77 said:
I watched this last night. I am always late to the party and you have prob seen this already. Eddie Hall goes over deadlift form. He starts off the rack, walks the weight back, lowers and does 1st rep “A to B”. He also recommends partials. The opposite of rack pulls. Floor to just above knee high. He may mention that he has deadlifted 500 kilos. More to the point if we played a drinking game called “500 kilos” we’d both need our stomachs pumped 🤣🤣🤣


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Never seen it, il watch it later todayvtho!
 
Back in the day we use to get doughnuts, booze and a barbell and we would take shots and eat doughnuts between sets of deadlifts. First time i pulled over 405 i was shitfaced lol.
 
Yeah I could see that going wrong fast. How was the headache after all that sugar? Damn. I remember Rich Piana and “Big J” doing a bench press and beers contest. I hated beer but a fun vid all the same.
 
Smont said:
Yep, but delta 9 is thc so its not really any different. A lot of the high end flower strains have some delta 9 in them too
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Watched a Lobliner vid on this a while back and he was like “if I eat more than one I’m groggy”. I use to eat a100mg Rice Krispie treat and go to work the next day. Lol. But he also looks the way he does and I look, well, the way I look…
 
Smont said:
Thank all you guys, everyone who chimed in on this was very helpfull.

Heres my last question, i know mikey is gonna say yeaterday lol, but when do you think i give up deadlifts. Id like to do them forever but i cant just keep hurting myself forever on this. I also was thinking hard last night and ive never fuked up training deads witj a partner or group. Its always solo. Maybe i dont deadlift solo because i like to move too quickly through my lifts. And even tho i know better maybe its just smarter to only train traditional deads occosionally. I dont get hurt squatting heavy, or benching heavy. I might get repititive use injury or soreness but i never get hurt mid set on anything but deadlifts and occosionally bent rows. Basically i think i need to leave this lower back alone.

Deadlift less often and make it count when i do them.

Squat more often, maybe use the hex bar or do some barbell hack squats as a deadlift replacement. Both of those are more lower back friendly and will help with leg mass. My legs are actually looking decent lately too. Theres like no fat on them excpt inner thighs. Obviously i could use a little more leg size so maybe this is my win win ?
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How does your back do with the Hex Bar or Trap Bar Deadlift? I changed to those years ago and it really helped my back.
 
gphagan1 said:
How does your back do with the Hex Bar or Trap Bar Deadlift? I changed to those years ago and it really helped my back.
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My back feels fine with those, But honestly god, I do not feel like it translates over to the dead lift and back as much as it translates over to the squat and the leg muscles. So well I can't change to that. It's only gonna help my back in a sense of less injury. But it's not gonna help my back much at all For muscle growth or improving my deadlift. I know There's form adjustments to be made with that exercise to target different things as well. But that's just another learning curve thrown into the equation. So while I will be doing trap our deadlifts, I really do feel like it's gonna improve my squat and not my dead lift. I do like the trap bar for defect dead lifts. But I still feel like it's more of a legs and traps exercise if that even makes sense. 🤷‍♂️
 
gphagan1 said:
How does your back do with the Hex Bar or Trap Bar Deadlift? I changed to those years ago and it really helped my back.
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Talk to text screwed up a lot of my response to your post lol.

My back is safe on trapbar deads

But I feel like it works my legs way more than it works my dead lift. I feel a little bit in the traps and upper back but not much. And I feel dead lifts in my hamstrings and glutes. But with a trap bar it's more quad dominant
 
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Smont said:
To add on to this, ive taken a break from smoking or eating edibles and sleep is worse then usual dispite feeling fine and rested. Whos got a replacement night time thing i can do.

DISCLAIMER! I HAVE TRIED ALMOST EVERYTHING OTC. IVE NEVER TRIED A SINGLE INGREDIENT PRODUCT THAT WORKS FOR ME. MELATONIN DOES NOTHING FOR ME AT ANY DOSE SO I DONT EVEN BOTHER.

IM not so much looking for a sleep supplement as i am a relaxation type thing. I need a way to wind down at the end of the day. My gears are always spinning. Thc turns the gears down to low speed for me and help me not worry about tomorrow and the 5000 things i need to do.

So insread of sleep suggestions, im looking for more of things you would use to just chill the **** out lol. Like a glass of scotch but im california sober so booze is out. And unhealthy anyways.

Suggestions ?
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I'm assuming you've tried Mike's sleep supps? I saw them on the masupps site yesterday. I wish I had an answer for you but I don't. If I did I woukdbe finally gotten clean and sober years before I finally did.
 
Mikereyn513 said:
Wtf is California sober. I'm SoCal born and bread and I've never heard that .
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Weed. Ppl on the east cost who quit drinking or doing hard drugs but still smoke weed we call california sober. Technically your not sober. I just tried to go down the street to the bar i use to hang out at to watch some football, couldnt last 30min. I must have got close talked or pat on the back 40 tines in 20 min
 
Mikereyn513 said:
I'm assuming you've tried Mike's sleep supps? I saw them on the masupps site yesterday. I wish I had an answer for you but I don't. If I did I woukdbe finally gotten clean and sober years before I finally did.
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Ya i use it in combination with other stuff. Its very relaxing and it helps me fall asleep but not stay asleep. I actually perfer to use it on a lazy afternoon and read till i zonk out lol. I have probably 3 servings of it tho.
 
I am the exact same way, don’t really drink anymore but unfortunately weed makes me panic worse but I spend most my nights wound up from the day can’t turn off work/thoughts in general.

Ive also tried damn near every natural option out there without anything giving noticeable relaxation. I am by no means against medication but I finally did what I thought I’d never do and started an SSRI, my anxiety was getting debilitating. No real changes yet but obviously they can take weeks to work. I was so against taking one myself for some reason, but I understand their place in medicine and reluctantly gave in. My wife basically forced me to do something different, nothing was working and I was getting worse by the day.

I say all that just to say I know how you feel and I’ve also tried it all with no luck on anything helping me relax/sleep.
 
Well damn sounds like we all kinda deal with this issue. Mine is staying asleep as well. Been of tren fir 2 months and still can't get past 6 hours. I once if I wake after 5 I'm pretty much screwed. Because I'll lay there with my mind racing. I think a lot of it is knowing I need to go back to sleep and that in and of itself is getting me frustrated which keeps me awake. It's a horrible cycle( no pun intended). My parents tell me it's a part of getting older. When I lived with them I would get up for work at 3am and one of them woukd be awake in the living room watching TV. I always thought it was because they drink heavy every night so they woukd pass out around 10 and then be wide awake 5 hours later. ( that used to happen to me when I drank. One of the many reasons I stopped. )
 
Smont said:
Weed. Ppl on the east cost who quit drinking or doing hard drugs but still smoke weed we call california sober. Technically your not sober. I just tried to go down the street to the bar i use to hang out at to watch some football, couldnt last 30min. I must have got close talked or pat on the back 40 tines in 20 min
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Aghh..yea people call that being sober here. I'm not kidding. There are more people that smoke weed ( or edibles or whatever) than smoke cigarettes
 
I deal w same shiz. My mother, heavy drinker, was same way. I quit smoking bud for 6 wks and I was lucky if I slept 4 hrs a night. If I went to bed at 10 I’d maybe fall asleep by 2. I had no idea how busy my brain was at night. The pot was like a light switch that shut my brain down so I could sleep. Same way when I drank. But passing out for 5 hours is t the same as real sleep. Last night, I fell asleep watching Sat Night Live and was up by 3:15. Dealing w shoulder pain for last few weeks and if I roll over the wrong way I get a shooting pain and I’m up.
 
Even when running the Mk-677 b4 bed I’d sleep like a rock but only 5 or 6 hours. It felt way more restful. Started remembering dreams or at least remembering that I had one
 
I don’t think you need to deadlift at all to build a bodybuilding-worthy back. Whatever deadlifting gives to the back, which is a lot, it can also take from the physique overall as it blows out the waistline. There are no conventional pullers over 800lbs with small waists.

I have heard Fouad and others on his show saying many of them didn’t deadlift anymore or never did seriously for that reason. RDLs if anything with constant tension, and much more for ham development. Yes there are pro bodybuilders who do deadlift seriously, but many also do not.
 
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