ramses31
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I excited about the new Libido product, SNS doesn't miss.
Tell Us What You Would Like to See From SNS & CEL (2023 Edition)
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sns8778
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I think that it has the potential to be a good eye health ingredient as part of an overall regimen. If using it in a product, I would consider it a supportive ingredient moreso than an all-star ingredient if that makes sense.
sns8778
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Blackstone is associated with Hi-Tech, as are most of the brands that use the 1 and 4 DHEA ingredients.
I will not use Androsterone in a product. I have probably lost a lot of money over the years by refusing to do so, but there are a lot of people that have a lot of side effects with that ingredient, and it's not something I would ever use personally; and therefore, I just am not willing to use it in a product.
You mentioned Napalm from Avant Labs - you may not know, but I do the raw material sourcing and help with the formulation for Xtreme Performance Gels, which use the old Avant Labs carriers and have already brought back an updated version of one of the old Avant Labs products, Ab-Solved. Ab-Solved has 7-OXO, Resveratrol, Phosphatidylserine, and Punicic Acid and is designed to have an emphasis on visceral fat. Great product.
Speaking of Napalm though, if you liked that, you will be very very happy with some upcoming things from Xtreme Performance Gels over the next couple of months.
Also, on the gels side, Xtreme Performance Gels just recently released Alpha Gel. Here is a link to the intro thread:
Alpha Gel by XPG - Natural Testosterone & Libido Support Gel - Available Now
Natural Testosterone & Libido Support Lean Muscle & Performance Gel Invalid Link Removed Alpha Gel contains ingredients that are commonly used to support an increase in natural testosterone levels and a reducing/balancing effect on estrogen levels in order to support lean muscle...
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The original Anabeta was Anacyclus - which we do offer as Anacyclus XT, and a lot of people have given feedback that its like the original Anabeta. Then the reformulated Anabeta Elite had Symplocos in it, which we use in Recomp20, Anabolic XT, and Cloma-Plex.
I appreciate the ideas. You're welcome to post as many more as you'd like and I'll be glad to reply as I can.
ramses31
Member
Thanks for your input, What supp for eye health you consider to be an all star ? What supp excites you as far as improving eyesight and slowing deterioration ?
Supercellular
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Showing my age here but the very early versions of no xplode and superpump I liked. Everyone loved that and I think Glanbia stopped the Nox cos of vinpocetine maybe funny enough. That OG superpump was good, it wasn’t too heavy in stims but the taste, pumps, the whole package was very popular for a long time. I don’t know how focus xt goes for you man but that stuff was definitely popular around my way.Blackstone is associated with Hi-Tech, as are most of the brands that use the 1 and 4 DHEA ingredients.
I will not use Androsterone in a product. I have probably lost a lot of money over the years by refusing to do so, but there are a lot of people that have a lot of side effects with that ingredient, and it's not something I would ever use personally; and therefore, I just am not willing to use it in a product.
You mentioned Napalm from Avant Labs - you may not know, but I do the raw material sourcing and help with the formulation for Xtreme Performance Gels, which use the old Avant Labs carriers and have already brought back an updated version of one of the old Avant Labs products, Ab-Solved. Ab-Solved has 7-OXO, Resveratrol, Phosphatidylserine, and Punicic Acid and is designed to have an emphasis on visceral fat. Great product.
Speaking of Napalm though, if you liked that, you will be very very happy with some upcoming things from Xtreme Performance Gels over the next couple of months.
Also, on the gels side, Xtreme Performance Gels just recently released Alpha Gel. Here is a link to the intro thread:
Alpha Gel by XPG - Natural Testosterone & Libido Support Gel - Available Now
Natural Testosterone & Libido Support Lean Muscle & Performance Gel Invalid Link Removed Alpha Gel contains ingredients that are commonly used to support an increase in natural testosterone levels and a reducing/balancing effect on estrogen levels in order to support lean muscle...
The original Anabeta was Anacyclus - which we do offer as Anacyclus XT, and a lot of people have given feedback that its like the original Anabeta. Then the reformulated Anabeta Elite had Symplocos in it, which we use in Recomp20, Anabolic XT, and Cloma-Plex.
I appreciate the ideas. You're welcome to post as many more as you'd like and I'll be glad to reply as I can.
sns8778
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To be totally honest with you, there isn't one available that I consider to be a truly great product. That is one of the reasons that I'm so passionate about making one - because there's no eye product myself that I would actually buy and use. The ingredients that I use for eye health I wind up having to buy as single ingredients and taking them together. Which is a huge pain and I know that most people are never going to do - so I wanted to make a vision and eye health formula that people can use to get all of the best ingredients in one.
sns8778
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We should have Focus XT back available soon.
For pump products, we have a variety available and a few more coming out by the end of the year.
SNS VasoForce XT and CEL Super Swole caps are great pre-workout pump products in capsule form.
SNS VasoForce Rush is a great pre-workout pump and energy product available in a capsule form.
Muscle Addiction Pump Addict Ultra Hardcore is a great stimulant based pre-workout powder that delivers great pumps and energy.
By the end of the year, we hope to have CEL Super Swole powder, CEL Stim Edge powder, and a more mainstream type pre-workout available under SNS as well.
N2ofusion
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You can go ahead and sign me up for the 12 pack of that one!
sns8778
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Thank you. I'm very excited about this product because I think it will be best in class and help a lot of people, and also for another special reason that I'll go into more detail about later on; but we'll be donating all profits from it to a special cause.
sns8778
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Cardiovascular Support XT is great for blood flow and venous insufficiency, so it should help with varicose veins and help support keeping new ones from forming.
I had actually thought about doing a product specifically for varicose veins and have the formula finalized for it; I just had been hesitant bc wasn't sure how good it would sell.
sammpedd88
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The OG NO-Xplode was the best! I used it and cellmass for a few years. BSN was on top of the supplement game back in the day. Now SNS has become my go to. Steve has some great products.
akboom87
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Wow I didn’t think of cardiovascular XT. Might have to get on that. My right leg has some big ones has for quite a few years. They seem to be getting a little better with me losing some weight. I would definitely like to keep them at bay best I can.
sns8778
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I would definitely suggest Cardiovascular Support XT.
Even if we did a leg vein specific product at some point, I would view it as being more a product to use with Cardiovascular Support XT because helping with blood flow and vein health in general is crucial to helping prevent varicose veins.
Hyde
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And btw, Cardiovascular Support XT is great for your health overall.
WhatsaBench
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Are we going to see any new releases for the 4th or are you holding them for the "virtual expo" in the middle of the month?
sns8778
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You may see a new Xtreme Performance Gels release next week and a single ingredient SNS Health Series release.
The next big releases for us I'm not sure if will be ready to launch by the time of the virtual expo that you're referring to, but if not, there will be a couple of cool announcements during it.
I had meant to do a new release for Xtreme Performance Gels this week, but had 2 separate personal situations, including a friend of mine dying in an accident the other night, cause me to put my emphasis elsewhere this week. I do plan to hopefully launch the new XPG one next week though.
akboom87
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Sorry to hear about the loss of your friend, thoughts and prayers.
Darkhorse192
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Thanks for always having great sales, man, I truly appreciate it. Maybe is because these supps are all I trust and buy anymore lol.
Darkhorse192
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I take a supp that has Lutein, Bilberry, Beta Carotene, and Zeaxanthin. I do so for "preventative health" if you will so its hard to discern if it actually does anything lol.
WhatsaBench
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I am sorry about your friend I was just asking as I planned to put in an order over the 4th. Thank you.
sns8778
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I understand. And thank you.
I normally do like to release products before the sales, but it just didn't work out that way this year. We have the new XPG one in stock, but I didn't get the chance this week to get it into retailer hands yet.
And for the new SNS and CEL products coming up, we've been in a bigtime balancing act juggling increasing inventory levels to try to keep existing sku's in stock while also releasing new ones. It should be a very exciting rest of the year though and we have some really big, cool, and unique releases planned.
Supercellular
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One thing I always liked was an old protein which was whey isolate with arachidonic acid and creatine in. That stuff was great and makes it easier to use those if it’s all in one product. Or something like athletic ergonine. It’s a pain in the butt having to take a lot of ingredients individually which you need to take long term for best results and that would be a convenient way to take them + protein is the main seller for most companies?
sns8778
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Thank you. I appreciate the suggestion.
That was one of those products from the old days that was a proprietary blend and the feedback never seemed to match what the label says; so it was hard to figure out why that was. On paper, it doesn't look like it should do much of anything honestly as everything in there would have been terribly underdosed - but the feedback on it was pretty good.
Prop blend 1 was 290 mg. of Arginine, Grape Seed, Epimedium, and Naringin. The way prop blends work is that they are supposed to be listed in order - so it could be as much as 287 mg. Arginine and as little as 1 mg. of the others. Or it could have been 290 mg. total divided by 4 which would have been 72.5 mg. of each, or anywhere in between. But basically, those dosages to too low on any of it to really do anything.
Proper blend 2 was 210 mg. of Cocoa extract, caffeine, and theobromine. So, the same situation - not a high enough dose to really make sense to work the way people said it did.
If you want something comparable on the mechanism of action per cocoa extract and some other ingredients, you may want to look at Recomp20 which has 200 mg. of Cocoabuterol per serving along with 2,800 mg. of SR10X. It is very similar to the original Compound20 product.
sns8778
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I remember back in those days myself - but a protein + creatine wouldn't sell well in today's market.
We will be doing a product along the concept of Ergonine. The name will be Daily Gains, and we hope to have it released in the coming months. We have talked about it for some time, but the reason for the delay was the supply chain issues and increased price of a lot of commodity ingredients, just made for a bad time to release it.
Protein is a good seller for companies, but its also a risky thing for companies to do in some cases bc its very low profit, especially after factor in shipping costs - its basically an item that companies offer hoping you'll buy other stuff from them too. I hope that makes sense.
We are looking into doing a protein and I've been considering some different options - whey isolate, whey isolate/micellar casein combination, fruit flavored whey isolate, economical bulk tubs. I'd be curious to see what people would like to see from us in that area.
WhatsaBench
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I know people were talking about t-shirts earlier but I would also be interested in branded gym shorts.
tenorguy33
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I would be a fan of/buy a whey isolate or whey iso/micellar casein combo if you did one.
Fruit flavored whey isolates always sound interesting to me in theory to create some variety and a lighter option but I’ve always felt the consistency has been off no matter what brand I’ve tried. They always seem to have excessive foam, an awkward stickiness to them, and sometimes an off putting mouth feel.
sns8778
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Interesting. No one has ever asked for those before but I would be open to it.
We had done some cheer shorts a few years ago for girls; but it was a very small limited run just to see if people liked them. I thought about doing some of those again at some point. But for some reason, never thought about gym shorts - which is ironic being that I wear athletic shorts a lot myself.
sns8778
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Thank you. I always value your opinion.
I do agree that most fruit flavored whey isolates have the weird foam and stickiness to them - its actually from the process that it has to go through to get them to be able to be fruit flavors, is my understanding. I had looked into that in the past bc I was curious myself why they were all like that.
I want to do a protein, but I'm hesitant to do a protein - because from a company standpoint, one thing that is discouraging or overwhelming is that companies are expected to have a ton of flavors, and the brands that don't have a ton of flavors or huge marketing are the ones that don't sell as well - but we couldn't afford to start with a ton of flavors. I'd be all about reinvesting and adding flavors quickly based on sales, but it would have to start with maybe 3 or 4 and build from there.
Supercellular
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Yeah creatine I get you cos of the cost but ara was a great one, doesn’t even need to be a lot, I think 200-250mg a day is optimal cos taking more I already found no matter what studies Llewelyn and co. Would mention say otherwise, it would always ruin my joints.
Or maybe a protein bar for bodybuilders. Used to be one which was like eating a brick but screw taste, there’s a million copycat low carb bars with 200 cals, nothing for a man wanting 400/500 cals with 40g protein.
Powder wise; I’d want a Wpc 80 with 1-2 natural anabolics in there. I know you don’t like Turkesterone but I found that works. PA too, epicatechin as well (doubles up as a health ingredient) and maybe throw in a pump ingredient like a nitrate cos for sales as well guys will notice it from a few days in.
sns8778
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I think you may be confusing me with someone else - I've never said that I don't like Turkesterone - I'm actually taking Ecdy-Plex right now myself which has Beta Ecdysterone & Turkesterone in it.
It's ARA that I can't take personally because I have an inflammatory autoimmune condition, but I think its a great ingredient for people that can take it. A lot of people love our X-Gels product, which is high potency ARA.
The problem with putting natural anabolics in protein is that different people take different amounts of protein shakes per day - so things either wind up being underdosed or overdosed depending on the amount one consumes. Plus, people have different goals so its important when doing a protein, for us to think about it in terms of what will appeal to the most people.
I love natural anabolics, but I believe in proper dosing and that's why I think its important to offer properly dosed products that people can use to take them the way that they are supposed to.
I do appreciate the suggestion. I just wanted to explain why from a business standpoint, its best for protein to just be protein.
Supercellular
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Ok I must have gotten confused with someone else but the rest makes sense although I think an ergonine type product (no protein) would be good. Speaking for myself it’s too much hassle to separately combine basic ingredients like creatine, beta alanine etc etc. So a product that could just deliver all this in a single scoop would be convenient for me for sure.
Btw with the autoimmune condition, I know it’s off track for what you created the thread for, but I have family with various autoimmune conditions (skin, joint related ones) and my pops also developed one out of the blue in the last few months (he’s 69!).
Weirdly enough I found that a drug treating one condition which it’s licensed for also showed good efficacy for another which doesn’t really have a treatment for at all. Digging into it a bit more, I came across some research on turmeric and a few others that have broad anti-inflammatory effects.
Maybe there’s something worth looking into there for you.
tenorguy33
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Not sure if you’ve seen, but SNS actually already has a great curcumin product called Elite Curcumin(curcumin is the beneficial constituent in turmeric for anti-inflammatory benefits). I’m sure Steve can/will expand more on that.
sns8778
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No worries. I try to stay out of the drama here on AM of people arguing over Arjuna Turkestanica and Beta Ecdysterone because most people on here bashing it don't want to learn anything about it, they just want to be right; so I avoid the subject because you can't teach or educate anyone on a subject they don't want to learn about.
But we offer Ecdy-Plex which has Turkesterone and Beta Ecdysterone in it under CEL, and then we offer them individually under Muscle Addiction as Turkesterone-750 and Beta Ecdysterone-500.
As for a daily use ergogenic, we are going to be offering one - the name will be Daily Gains.
As someone with an autoimmune condition myself, I've done a lot of research on the subject. When it comes to curcumin, we offer our Elite Curcumin product which has 3 clinically researched branded forms of curcumin in it + more.
sns8778
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Thank you. I think that a lot of people on here overlook Elite Curcumin for some reason. It's a very special product and addresses the absorption issues with curcumin from multiple angles.
For anyone interested, the write up is very in depth:
https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/elite-curcumin/
sns8778
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Will do. I'll try to get that set up today - I'll email graphic artist for a 6 bottle and 12 bottle image now.
ELROCK
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You are the man! I will be sure to order it on my next order from you.
thescience
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Id like to see a tribulus aquaticus extract out again. I imagine nobody wants to try and sell it when so many suppliers confuse it with TT. I thought USP labs Prime was epic
sns8778
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We are hoping that it will be back in stock next week or the week after next.
sns8778
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I had actually thought about that at one time, but have never had much demand for it.
The problem with comparison to a lot of the original USP Labs products is not knowing what really was in them.
I know where they got their raws for it, so replicating the Tribulus Aquaticus part wouldn't be a problem - but its really more of a matter of if that's all that was really in there. I'm not saying it was or wasn't, but that's just always the question that one has to wonder about when it comes to some of their old stuff.
thescience
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yeah, they proved to be sketchy in the end, but in the beginning the business was run very differently. werent they growing their own stuff at first? there was also a product called Primal by precision research that followed it that was also totally legit that only had the aquaticus in it. were the incredible effects due to glucocortinoid suppression and calpain inhibition? IDK but it worked for alot of people based on sales and a poll on here
LucasBagoDoce
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A topical/TD L-carnitine gel from XPG would be a staple product for me! Would use it year-round!
sns8778
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No, not at all - they weren't growing their own stuff. That was all old school style marketing BS. I know where they got their Tribulus Aquaticus from and could definitely replicate the raws - what I meant though was that if it was Tribulus Aquaticus that gave those results, then yes, that's doable. But with comparing anything to old USP Labs products, there's the big if as to if that was all that was in there.
For example - you mentioned the Precision Research Tribulus Aquaticus - and yes, I know people that said it was a good product. But I know some people that felt like it was equivalent to the USP Labs one and some people that felt like it wasn't - so that's what I meant about the USP Labs one. I feel like Precisions was equivalent to USP's in regards to Tribulus Aquaticus, but if there was a difference, then it would be in someone that wasn't on the label in the USP one. I hope that makes sense.
If enough people want us to do one, the idea is simple enough to do, no problem. Hardest part would be thinking of a name haha.
sns8778
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Never been asked for that before - I'll look into seeing if that is feasible. I can't remember right off hand if L-Carnitine is a good candidate for a topical or not but will check.
Thank you for the suggestion.
LucasBagoDoce
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I’m honestly not sure either! I believe it has a high molecular weight, but I’m no expert… you would be the guy to ask! Hahaha
The L-carnitine pip hits so hard sometimes… it would be a blessing if a TD version could offer good bioavailability
thescience
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i mean, yeah they couldve spiked it. anything goes when youre dealing with sketchy people. ive heard of companies doing that at exhibitions to lure in vendors. i used the stuff from the day it came out with usplabs until precision research stopped selling it. if it had some kind of back alley anabolic, i didnt suffer any withdrawal effects.
you say you feel the two brands were equivalent with the TA. are you saying you tried both and was a responder?
I assume alot of people nowadays dont know what it is. for some context, it was a supplement known to increase strength and promote being lean by virtue of the shear gain in muscle. i added 90lbs to my bench and squat from it
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