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Building Back Up

Feel pretty good today after the light workout yesterday. Slept great. Pulled muscle in my back improved greatly. That weird choking thing gone. Probably won't take tomorrow light

But, heading to the doctor for blood in stool. Most likely fissure or something benign since I've had a fissure years ago, but can't risk.

Smart move.

Make sure he buys you dinner though first, don’t just give it away!
 
Good to hear you are feeling better. Stick with your plan for the week on the deload. You can only benefit from it. You are not going to be losing any ground and could definitely make room for another longer push if you allow more recovery.
 
Good to hear you are feeling better. Stick with your plan for the week on the deload. You can only benefit from it. You are not going to be losing any ground and could definitely make room for another longer push if you allow more recovery.
For the deload...this might be overthinking it, but is the idea to go easy enough that hypertrophy will not be stimulated?

Also, so far, last week I did...

Thursday: light squat and back workout
Friday: off
Saturday: hard shoulder/pullup workout
Sunday: off
Monday: light close grip bench, lat and arms
Tuesday: off

If I stick to the plan and take tomorrow and Thursday light (and Friday off), should I take Saturday's shoulder and pullup workout light also? Or is that plenty already?
 
that's probably fine, if you're anything like me a "heavy" shoulder workout is still only half of a heavy bench workout, which is only half of a heavy deadlift workout. I'm not sure you "need" to put that much thought into it but I think you'd be plenty safe.

although now that you are overthinking it @akboom87 's idea above is even more interesting to me. your deload is an opportunity to spend time maybe working on mobility drills you haven't done before, throw in some kettlebell armbars. maybe do some sprints, jump rope, light weight prowler, go for a swim, take your wife for a hike etc etc.

My best deload results really always came from a week of no barbell...

you're close to my age and what's funny is with strength being my current top priority, I really am hyperfocused on rest days like never before. when I eventually switch back to a cut I'll drive my system into the ground working out 4-7 days a week with 2 a days but for now I'm more focused on recovery than ever before and that is also leading to hyper focused workouts.
 
@GreenMachineX I think you will be just fine starting things back up Saturday.
 
Started using Macrofactor by the Stronger By Science duo. Really cool app, but not a fan of the price. On the other hand, it has renewed my vigor to cut.
 
Started using Macrofactor by the Stronger By Science duo. Really cool app, but not a fan of the price. On the other hand, it has renewed my vigor to cut.
How much is it?
 
$40 something for 6 months. I guess not too bad, but I'm cheap.
that's pretty high for an app, you'd have to really love it.
My most expensive app by far is duolingo but I keep it because my wife, myself, and my son area all using it.

aside from that I have a boating app thats like $30/year for GPS (basically google maps on water) and anything else is like $1.99/month
 
Also a de load week can be a great time to do some things you don’t always do. Do some neck work, forearms, calves, biceps etc. I have to mix theses in just to keep thing fun for me and break the normal up.
Kind of along these lines...using the warm up before working out to increase the intensity on my hill walks. Today was incline varying from 5-7 at 3.2mph. Not overly hard, but kept my heart rate around 110 for 20 minutes. Got me sweating pretty good though. Couple minute easy walk before and after.

Upper push deload today. Not going to bother logging it.
 
So this is interesting...

I walk up to the bench rack which is next to the leg press. The guy working out on the leg press says "sorry I took all the 45's. I'll be done with them soon, but I figure 225 is pretty heavy for you." :unsure:
 
So this is interesting...

I walk up to the bench rack which is next to the leg press. The guy working out on the leg press says "sorry I took all the 45's. I'll be done with them soon, but I figure 225 is pretty heavy for you." :unsure:
I guess I should add some clarity...

He's also said "that's impressive" to when I was deadlifting 315 for reps without straps. And, he's kind of an odd duck I think anyway.

Or, I'm not as big as I think I am :ROFLMAO:
 
I guess I should add some clarity...

He's also said "that's impressive" to when I was deadlifting 315 for reps without straps. And, he's kind of an odd duck I think anyway.

Or, I'm not as big as I think I am :ROFLMAO:

Without getting to see/hear him, it was probably supposed to be positive. People get all these weird preconceived notions that may or may not line up with reality. One of which is you need to have X muscle or bodyweight to be so strong, where in reality having those only means YOU are stronger than if you had less.

Like I’ve seen enough people do so much incredible stuff at different ages and sizes and drug use or not that I have learned never to assume.
 
I must just be totally different because I think it seems pretty cheap.
all things considered, it is cheap. I just have a hard time spending money on things that are "digital" vs "tangible".
I'm the same way with like amazon movies, and hated the mp3 craze.
 
So this is interesting...

I walk up to the bench rack which is next to the leg press. The guy working out on the leg press says "sorry I took all the 45's. I'll be done with them soon, but I figure 225 is pretty heavy for you." :unsure:
That is when I slapped his Mama for making him! :)

Maybe he has been watching you and knows you are pushing around that weight on your top sets? Still an odd thing to say to someone if you are not friends razzing each other.
all things considered, it is cheap. I just have a hard time spending money on things that are "digital" vs "tangible".
I'm the same way with like amazon movies, and hated the mp3 craze.
I was thinking the same thing being less than at $10 a month, if it comes with plans, full micro, macro, and mineral profiles and the like. Now if it isn't any better than the free MyFitnessPal then it is expensive.

Also... BOOMER!!!! :p
 
I can see it better now, it's like Layne's carbon diet coach but a little cheaper actually

I tend to use free apps but I did pay for the $19.99 lifetime or one year (I can't remember) lose it app

Not for the advice though, for the tracking capabilities. Invalid Link Removed
 
I'm actually sore from benching only 95 lb for 2 x 10, followed by machine incline 2 x 8 x 90 lb. Granted, I took every rep super slow and flexing entire time. But still, whatever.

Today's Workout:

30 minutes LISS (middle 25 minutes were incline 6-8, at 3.2mph). Kept heart rate between 110-120.

Barbell Row 3 x 10 x 95
Squat 5x95, 5x135, 5x185
Neutral Grip Pullup 6 x BW (yay)
Reverse Cable Fly 3 x 8 x 2.5
EZ Curls 3 x 8 x 50
Plank 1 set x 30 seconds

I was actually pretty gassed after the LISS :rolleyes:
But, between doing everything extra super slow and holding peak contraction of every rep, this workout became way harder then I thought it would've been. FTR, Pullups were normal pace, NOT super slow.

Ready to hit shoulders and real pullups hard on Saturday.
 
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I'm actually sore from benching only 95 lb for 2 x 10, followed by machine incline 2 x 8 x 90 lb. Granted, I took every rep super slow and flexing entire time. But still, whatever.

Today's Workout:

30 minutes LISS (middle 25 minutes were incline 6-8, at 3.2mph). Kept heart rate between 110-120.

Barbell Row 3 x 10 x 95
Squat 5x95, 5x135, 5x185
Neutral Grip Pullup 6 x BW (yay)
Reverse Cable Fly 3 x 8 x 2.5
EZ Curls 3 x 8 x 50
Plank 1 set x 30 seconds

I was actually pretty gassed after the LISS :rolleyes:
But, between doing everything extra super slow and holding peak contraction of every rep, this workout became way harder then I thought it would've been. FTR, Pullups were normal pace, NOT super slow.

Ready to hit shoulders and real pullups hard on Saturday.
When it comes to hypertrophy intentionally creating your own internal tension against the weight is going to be more effective and less damaging to connective tissues and joints. So it is not surprising at all you have a bit of DOMS.
 
When it comes to hypertrophy intentionally creating your own internal tension against the weight is going to be more effective and less damaging to connective tissues and joints. So it is not surprising at all you have a bit of DOMS.
Interesting. Does it still count as a "deloaded" workout? Lol
 
Interesting. Does it still count as a "deloaded" workout? Lol
In your situation yeah, I would think it to not be that disruptive to your deload. Although, I do believe that slower tempo training is a little harder on your CNS than doing the same volume faster.
 
Weight: 215.2

With Macrofactor, I realized my kcal were extremely low some days...up to a 1500kcal deficit 😆 No wonder it was so hard by day 3. This week, most days my deficit was 500, and only yesterday 1000, possibly, if going by they're estimated TDEE which was about 3k kcal. A few years ago, I did one of those Bodpod analysis which calculated 3200kcal to maintain my weight, but I was a bit bigger and leaner back then, but same bodyweight. I figure with losing maybe 5-10lbm and 5% higher BF, ~3000kcal is probably right. Anyway, I will most likely have 2 bad meals this weekend.

Also, with yesterday's deficit being about 1000kcal, plus LISS and weights (even though the weight session was "light" by intense), I slept very poorly and feel mild PEM so far today. I am beginning to lean more towards the kcal theory for at least part of the PEM/insomnia symptoms. It can't explain all the PEM/insomnia, because there are definitely days at maintenance kcal that it still happened.
 
Weight: 215.2

With Macrofactor, I realized my kcal were extremely low some days...up to a 1500kcal deficit 😆 No wonder it was so hard by day 3. This week, most days my deficit was 500, and only yesterday 1000, possibly, if going by they're estimated TDEE which was about 3k kcal. A few years ago, I did one of those Bodpod analysis which calculated 3200kcal to maintain my weight, but I was a bit bigger and leaner back then, but same bodyweight. I figure with losing maybe 5-10lbm and 5% higher BF, ~3000kcal is probably right. Anyway, I will most likely have 2 bad meals this weekend.

Also, with yesterday's deficit being about 1000kcal, plus LISS and weights (even though the weight session was "light" by intense), I slept very poorly and feel mild PEM so far today. I am beginning to lean more towards the kcal theory for at least part of the PEM/insomnia symptoms. It can't explain all the PEM/insomnia, because there are definitely days at maintenance kcal that it still happened.
Well yeah, a 1000 calorie deficit, cardio, and a weight training day is going to hit not just your CNS negatively. Does that nutrition program not factor in your training days? If not you should tailor your days to what you are doing. Any time you lift with that PEM issue you are going to take more out of your CNS than others. What is sustainable for your average person won't be true for you. If you are training you need some grub in your situation. I would adjust it to have your low caloric days on rest or cardio only days and be near or at maintenance on most lift days and even a surplus on really taxing days like squatting and dead lifts. Eat for the task, and goal at hand. Sure the overall goal is weight loss but on the lifting days it is muscle growth, or at the minimum retention. Then on rest and cardio days you can build that deficit up.
 
Nice refeed last night at Cheesecake Factory :cool:

Weight: 218.4

Standing OHP 4 x 8, 8, 7, 8 x 130
Neutral Grip Pullup 5, 5, 5, 4
Close Grip Bench 12x95, 10x135, 8x155
BB Shrug 12x95, 10x135, 8x155, 8x165
DB Lateral Raise 3 x 12 x 15's
DB Curl 15x20's
Planks 1 set x 35 seconds

Great workout. Last set taken to failure on everything.
 
Looks like a great and fun session!
 
So, today is DL with CGBP (again), and reverse flies and biceps. I'm having trouble trying to decide what to do for DL training to allow for progress but yet minimize the cns destruction/PEM severity.

BTW, slept until 6am today, and went to bed at 10pm with only 1 or 2 wakeups. Feels magical 😆
 
So, today is DL with CGBP (again), and reverse flies and biceps. I'm having trouble trying to decide what to do for DL training to allow for progress but yet minimize the cns destruction/PEM severity.

BTW, slept until 6am today, and went to bed at 10pm with only 1 or 2 wakeups. Feels magical 😆
Depending on your sticking point RDLs, Good Mornings for mid-pull and lockout issues or Deficit Straight Leg DL for lower end weakness would be good. Just leave a rep or two in the tank. If at the gym then the True Squat machine facing in could work really well.
 
Depending on your sticking point RDLs, Good Mornings for mid-pull and lockout issues or Deficit Straight Leg DL for lower end weakness would be good. Just leave a rep or two in the tank. If at the gym then the True Squat machine facing in could work really well.
Sorry, I meant, I was trying to figure out percentages and such for DL itself. I think I'll stick with 531, but leave 1-2 RIR on the amrap.
 
Yeah that is what I would recommend with them. You can take them farther than the other work sets but avoid RPE10 or failure. An RPE8 every time while going up or getting more reps is still going to drive strength progression if you do it consistently, but with less CNS fatigue.
 
Yeah that is what I would recommend with them. You can take them farther than the other work sets but avoid RPE10 or failure. An RPE8 every time while going up or getting more reps is still going to drive strength progression if you do it consistently, but with less CNS fatigue.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean.

Today's DL Workout will be:
3x275
3x315
3x355 AMRAP

Are you saying do a prescribed and only go rpe8 on the amrap? Or rpe8 on all 3 sets?

Years ago, I would've done 3 to 5 sets of 3x355, instead of amrap.
 
I'm not exactly sure what you mean.

Today's DL Workout will be:
3x275
3x315
3x355 AMRAP

Are you saying do a prescribed and only go rpe8 on the amrap? Or rpe8 on all 3 sets?

Years ago, I would've done 3 to 5 sets of 3x355, instead of amrap.
I mean only the AMRAP and follow the rest of the progression based on the program.

I was just saying as long as you are increasing reps on your AMRAP at an RPE8 effort each time consistently you are still getting the main principle of progression. If your weight or reps go up at and RPE8 you are definitely getting stronger and driving new adaptation. It might be a little slower than if you could do full AMRAP but faster than if your CNS is always beat up and making you have to hold back on the main progression of your programmed weights just to ensure you can do the AMRAP.
 
I mean only the AMRAP and follow the rest of the progression based on the program.

I was just saying as long as you are increasing reps on your AMRAP at an RPE8 effort each time consistently you are still getting the main principle of progression. If your weight or reps go up at and RPE8 you are definitely getting stronger and driving new adaptation. It might be a little slower than if you could do full AMRAP but faster than if your CNS is always beat up and making you have to hold back on the main progression of your programmed weights just to ensure you can do the AMRAP.

This is the only way I can consistently train the deadlift, leaving a little in the tank. When I go to RPE9-10, I will go backwards.

I only go to true max effort in a peaking block, to max out to know exactly what I am capable of and then set a taper down off that to shed the fatigue and super compensate at the meet a month later. This happens less than twice a year probably.
 
This is the only way I can consistently train the deadlift, leaving a little in the tank. When I go to RPE9-10, I will go backwards.

I only go to true max effort in a peaking block, to max out to know exactly what I am capable of and then set a taper down off that to shed the fatigue and super compensate at the meet a month later. This happens less than twice a year probably.
Noted. Thanks. I'll leave 1-2 RIR today.
 
Today's WO:

Close Grip Bench 4 x 8 x 155
Deadlift 5x255, 5x295, 7x335 (amrap)
Inverted Row 7, 7, 7
Reverse Cable Flies 2 x 10, 8 x 5

That amrap DL wrecked me. After each of the next sets of Inverted Row and reverse flies, I felt a bit nauseated, so I just didn't do my last set of reverse flies. Kind of shaky too. Ugh. This is one of those things...should I just man up and finished the sets hard even feeling a little nauseated and shaky, or stopped as soon as I felt that?
Weight: 220.2

CG Bench 4 x 8, 8, 8, 6 x 160
Deadlift 3x275, 3x315, 5x355 (amrap)
Inverted Row 5, 4, 4
Reverse Cable Flies 10x2.5, 8x4, 8x4
Incline DB Curls

Lats were still sore from the neutral grip pull ups 2 days ago, but I worked out anyway. I'm surprised that neutral grip made such a difference vs pronated pull ups. More accurately, I think it was my teres major still sore, up under my arm pit.
Otherwise, I cheated the 3rd rep on the 80% DL set because my hands were so sweaty...it was bad 😆
I may have went true amrap on the last set, but possibly could've got 1 more rep. So much for my plan...

Shaky and sweaty now 😆

Edit: Forgot to mention, that I'm pretty sure I used the bar that is actually 55 lb for my DL, there's one here in the gym but the staff don't know which one it is. So, my amrap may have been @ 365.
 
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This is the only way I can consistently train the deadlift, leaving a little in the tank. When I go to RPE9-10, I will go backwards.

I only go to true max effort in a peaking block, to max out to know exactly what I am capable of and then set a taper down off that to shed the fatigue and super compensate at the meet a month later. This happens less than twice a year probably.
How do you supercompensate?
 
How do you supercompensate?
That is a peaking strategy for lifting the heaviest. You build up to basically almost if not overtraining over the weeks leading up to the meet then a week out you rest or only do lighter limited explosive reps to allow the CNS to recover or actually super compensate because it thinks you are going to go back into that much stress and wants to be ready for it. So you end up having your CNS on hyperdrive the day of the meet.
 
Weight: 220.2

CG Bench 4 x 8, 8, 8, 6 x 160
Deadlift 3x275, 3x315, 5x355 (amrap)
Inverted Row 5, 4, 4
Reverse Cable Flies 10x2.5, 8x4, 8x4
Incline DB Curls

Lats were still sore from the neutral grip pull ups 2 days ago, but I worked out anyway. I'm surprised that neutral grip made such a difference vs pronated pull ups. More accurately, I think it was my teres major still sore, up under my arm pit.
Otherwise, I cheated the 3rd rep on the 80% DL set because my hands were so sweaty...it was bad 😆
I may have went true amrap on the last set, but possibly could've got 1 more rep. So much for my plan...

Shaky and sweaty now 😆

Edit: Forgot to mention, that I'm pretty sure I used the bar that is actually 55 lb for my DL, there's one here in the gym but the staff don't know which one it is. So, my amrap may have been @ 365.
Reviewing my last amrap at 365 (if that's what I did today), I did 5 today, but 4 last time, so yay.
 
That is a peaking strategy for lifting the heaviest. You build up to basically almost if not overtraining over the weeks leading up to the meet then a week out you rest or only do lighter limited explosive reps to allow the CNS to recover or actually super compensate because it thinks you are going to go back into that much stress and wants to be ready for it. So you end up having your CNS on hyperdrive the day of the meet.
This sounds like my normal training lately

Train until I'm dead. Take a week off, Cole back and PR everything. Rinse repeat
 
Feeling decent today. PEM is at a minimum consisting of just feeling a little tired. Slept pretty hard, only woke up a few times. I ate about 3500 kcal yesterday, with maybe 1000 of that coming from cheesecake and double stuff Oreos 😆
 
Feeling decent today. PEM is at a minimum consisting of just feeling a little tired. Slept pretty hard, only woke up a few times. I ate about 3500 kcal yesterday, with maybe 1000 of that coming from cheesecake and double stuff Oreos 😆
Good News! Also YUM!!!
 
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