Tell Us What You Would Like to See From SNS & CEL (2023 Edition)

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I hope that everyone had a wonderful holiday and that their New Years is off to a great start.

Each year, I do a thread asking for suggestions as to what products that people would like to see from us as well as what ingredients that they’re interested in or would like to see included in formulas.

I really enjoy helping people and interacting with people and hearing their ideas, answering questions, and throwing around ideas with them.

I look forward to hearing any ideas that people would like to see from SNS, Competitive Edge Labs, or Muscle Addiction in 2023.

Also, you can feel free to share any ideas that you’d like to see from Xtreme Performance Gels and I’ll be glad to pass them along.

Feel free to suggest single ingredient and/or combination ideas.

Thanks, and I look forward to seeing everyone's ideas.
 
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I’m a little hesitant to do this post because I hope this doesn’t turn into be getting beat up over ETA’s – so I’ll say up front that I don’t have exact ETA’s because exact ETA’s are impossible in this industry because there are so many things that can cause delays.

If I do give an ETA on something, even if I mention a hopeful month or even a hopeful quarter that it may be released, I want to emphasize that it is an estimate and that there are a lot of factors that can influence it.

Also, I want to emphasize that our main focus is getting existing sku’s back in stock and increasing inventory levels of existing products to meet demand and increasing inventory levels is going to be prioritized over launching new sku’s.

We will still be coming out with a lot of cool stuff, but it will be more strategic.

And, not everything that we have in the works is listed here, there will be some cool surprises along the way as well; including a couple of major projects that I'm not ready to reveal the details on yet.

If all goes well, here are some of the things that we hope to bring out during 2023, but realistically some of it may carry over into 2024.

SNS – Single Ingredient Products:
  • Fadogia XT
  • Cistanche XT
  • Theracurmin XT
SNS Health Series Formulas:
  • Kidney Assist XT
  • Cardiovascular Support XT
  • Cholesterol Support XT
  • Sleep Shot XT – a flavored powder sleep and relaxation formula
  • Sleep Support XT – a melatonin free sleep support product for people that don’t like melatonin
  • Prostate Support XT
  • Libido Boost XT
  • Digestive health formula – the formula is complete and is a very high-end premium formula that contains a lot of clinically researched branded ingredients. Trying to figure out a good name.
SNS – Sports Nutrition Series (capsules):
  • Nighttime Fat Loss Formula
  • VasoForce Burn – a potent fat burning pre-workout in a convenient capsule form
  • Growth Factor XT – new version to be released hopefully Q1 of 2023
SNS – Sports Nutrition Series (flavored powders):
  • SNS Daily Gains – the daily use ergogenic
  • SNS Hydration Product – great formula; trying to decide on a great name
  • EAA Formula - great formula; trying to decide on a great name
  • Pre-Workout Powder
Competitive Edge Labs:
  • Stim Edge – high-stim pre-workout
  • Super Swole Powder – new version
  • Intra Formula – absolutely loaded formula
  • Thermogenic Pre-Workout formula – absolutely loaded formula
  • Pre-Workout Powder - there will be Super Swole (Stim Free), Stim Edge (high stim), and then this one that we aren’t ready to release the name for yet that will be a very comprehensive pre-workout formula that will have stims but moreso dosed for the average person rather than being as strong as Stim Edge.
  • CEL Nattybolic – this was teased in 2022 but we decided to hold off on it because of some exciting new developments on the raw material side of things.
Muscle Addiction:
  • Amino Intensity – a hardcore twist on the traditional amino energizing category.
  • Stim Addict – a high stimulant product that will be very unique and versatile
  • Pump Fix – stimulant free pre-workout different from the SNS & CEL ones
Focus XT:
  • The first step is getting Focus XT back in stock and we expect flavors to hopefully start coming back in stock in February and coming in consistently until we have them all back in stock.
  • Then we will be releasing some new flavors.
  • Then, we have some other exciting things coming under Focus XT that I think that a lot of people are really going to love. I have no ETA on this – the concepts are done, but the first priority is getting the existing flavors back in stock first.
^^^ I am open to ideas, suggestions, and hopes for anything that anyone would like to see related to any of the above formulas.
 
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Now, to hopefully get this thread started and have some fun with it, here are some questions and ideas for discussion:

Have ideas for anything you’d like to see included in any of the above formulas? Let us know.

Have ideas for flavors or flavors you’d like to see for any of the above flavored powder products? Let us know.

Flavors are finalized for some but definitely open to ideas for the ones that aren’t and also for future flavors.

The goal is to launch with 2 or 3 flavors per product and then add additional flavors based on demand.

Have any suggestions for products or types of products that I don’t have listed? Please let me know.

Want to help with naming ideas for a couple of products?

We are trying to figure out good names for:
  • An SNS hydration product
  • An SNS EAA/Intra product
  • SNS Digestive Health Formula
Keep in mind that the names need to be indicative of what the products are and need to be catchy, as in mainstream marketability for them.
 
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Also, would anyone like to see (as in would it actually be something that you would buy regularly):
  • A CEL Anabolic Sleep Formula
  • A CEL Fat Burning/Endurance Formula
    • This would be a very unique formula that would be the closest thing to a legal, compliant, and safe natural version of Cardarine.
    • Note that I am not directly comparing it to Cardarine because I don’t compare supplements to illegal drugs or research chemicals; I’m just using that as an example of what the intended goals of the product would be.
  • SNS Mushroom Product
    • My thought is doing both a capsule and powder version of this if we do one, that way we would have a capsule version for people that don’t want to take a powder, and a powder version for people that don’t mind the powder and want a higher dose.
I look forward to hearing everyone's opinions, thoughts, and ideas.
 
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I don't mind answering questions about out of stocks and ETA's in this thread as long as people are respectful about it, but here is a link to a thread that was created especially for that topic that you can post in and subscribe to in order to find out when things are back in stock:

 
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Reserved - will be used to put information in about new product releases when they happen.
 
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Reserved - will be used to put information in about new product releases when they happen.
 
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I also wanted to put a link here to a thread I had created a little while ago asking people to let us know what they would like to see in a multi-vitamin formula:


Please feel free to post in that thread or any ideas in this one.
 
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Another idea that I had that I'll mention here because something close to it got mentioned in another thread, but would anyone be interested in a multi-herb formula focused on overall health and different aspects of health - kind of like the herbal equivalent of a multi-vitamin?
 

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I would be interested to see what you would target with a mushroom supplement because you have a lot of options. I bought several bottles of the peak02 capsules so if it was an upgrade or replacement of that I would be in.
 

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For flavoring IMO, hard to beat watermelon in general. I always get that flavor when available.

Can you give any details on daily gains?
 

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Now, to hopefully get this thread started and have some fun with it, here are some questions and ideas for discussion:

Have ideas for anything you’d like to see included in any of the above formulas? Let us know.

Have ideas for flavors or flavors you’d like to see for any of the above flavored powder products? Let us know.

Flavors are finalized for some but definitely open to ideas for the ones that aren’t and also for future flavors.

The goal is to launch with 2 or 3 flavors per product and then add additional flavors based on demand.

Have any suggestions for products or types of products that I don’t have listed? Please let me know.

Want to help with naming ideas for a couple of products?

We are trying to figure out good names for:
  • An SNS hydration product
  • An SNS EAA/Intra product
  • SNS Digestive Health Formula
Keep in mind that the names need to be indicative of what the products are and need to be catchy, as in mainstream marketability for them.
I’m interested in degestive formula…started using 5% nutrition Diges-ten and it’s been an absolute lifesaver for $20 a month. I’m finally regular and not bloated 24/7
 

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I am really excited about Cardiovascular Support xt, sleep shot xt, the digestion product, daily gains, the hydration product and I would be VERY interested in the endurance/fat burning product. I am sure I would try some of the other products too. These are just some that I will buy for sure.

Some other products I would be interested in would be some for seasonal allergy support, dream support and eye health support.

For the digestion support, would it be an overall digestive health product or more specialized? I am interested in support for acid reflux and leaky gut. Digestive enzymes for breaking down fat and protein would be nice too.
 

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I am really excited about Cardiovascular Support xt, sleep shot xt, the digestion product, daily gains, the hydration product and I would be VERY interested in the endurance/fat burning product. I am sure I would try some of the other products too. These are just some that I will buy for sure.

Some other products I would be interested in would be some for seasonal allergy support, dream support and eye health support.

For the digestion support, would it be an overall digestive health product or more specialized? I am interested in support for acid reflux and leaky gut. Digestive enzymes for breaking down fat and protein would be nice too.
Highly recommend you check out 5% digesten while you wait for Steve to drop his product.
 
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Hardcore test booster that approaches the line but just barely stops short of crossing it.
Does this mean anything? What is this supposed to mean?
I agree that that is vague and could mean a lot of different things, but for the purposes of my post and this thread, I'm going to turn it into a positive and take it to mean that he is asking us to make a product that is the most hardcore natural testosterone booster available but that is natural and compliant - and that's great, because we already have several options that fit that perfectly.

Competitive Edge Labs - M-Test:
  • Hardcore Natural Testosterone Booster & longtime forum favorite
  • Multi-faceted approach to testosterone support
  • Great feedback for increasing natural testosterone levels, enhancing libido, vitality, improving recovery, & just overall feeling better, and much more.
  • Contains multiple ingredients that have been shown in clinical studies to increase both free & total testosterone levels
  • KSM-66, Fadogia, Tongkat Ali, PrimaVie, Divana-Plex (Divanil), + more

Competitive Edge Labs - Cloma-Plex:
  • Natural Testosterone Booster
  • Natural Anabolic Muscle Builder
  • Powerful Estrogen Control Support
  • Lean Muscle & Strength Gains
  • Improved Body-Composition
  • Libido, Vitality, & Enhanced Sexual Desire
  • Potent Anabolic & Anti-Catabolic Benefits
  • Phytonutrient Aromatase Inhibitor Support
  • Optimal Testosterone to Estrogen Ratio
  • Increases in Free & Total Testosterone Levels
  • Positive Mood & Improved Sense of Well-Being
  • 8 High End Active Ingredients, Many of Which are Backed by Numerous Clinical Studies
  • Contains SR10X Symplocos/Lodhra, SA3X Spilanthes, Cistanche (min. 30% echinacoside), E. Cottonii, Ellagic Acid, Panax Ginseng, Apigenin, & Bioperine
  • Great feedback including enhancing positive mood, increased motivation, great improvements in libido, & much more

SNS Optimize-T:
  • Clinical Strength Natural Testosterone Booster
  • Supports Increases in Free & Total Testosterone Levels
  • Natural Male Hormone Support
  • Sexual Health & Libido, Longevity, Vitality, & Energy
  • Positive Mood & Improved Sense of Well-Being
  • Lean Muscle, Strength, & Improved Recovery
  • Fat Loss & Improved Body-Composition
  • Anti-Aging Properties
  • Clinically Researched Key Ingredients
  • Contains 8 Clinically Researched Branded Ingredients
  • SA3X Spilanthes, Furosap, Tongkat Ali (Bionutricia extract std. to min. 2% Eurycomanone), PrimaVie, S7, Boron, & more

SNS Anabolic XT:
  • The feedback for this product speaks for itself
  • This is more of a natural anabolic muscle builder with testosterone boosting properties rather than a straight natural testosterone booster.
  • Incredible Lean Muscle Gains
  • Hardcore Strength Gains
  • Fat Loss & Improved Body-Composition
  • Improved Recovery Between Sets & Between Workouts
  • Increased Endurance/Reduced Fatigue
  • Improved Libido, Vitality, & Stamina
  • Great Feedback on Improved Positive Mood and Increased Motivation
  • Longevity & Anti-Aging Properties
  • Potent Anabolic & Anti-Catabolic Benefits
  • 9 High End Active Ingredients - Clinically Researched Key Ingredients

All 4 of these products include ingredients that have been shown in clinical studies to increase natural testosterone levels and any of the 3 of them are great products individually or can be stacked together if people would like to.

In addition to these, we also offer a lot of other great natural testosterone boosting ingredients as single ingredient products that people can use and try on their own or incorporate with the above products. These options include:
Oh, and a couple other notable formulas:

CEL PCT Assist - great natural testosterone booster and libido enhancer:


Muscle Addiction Test Fix - great natural testosterone booster & libido enhancer:



So, while we're always on the lookout for new ingredients and do have quite a new more natural anabolics available that aren't mentioned here & exciting ones to come, I think we have the category of hardcore natural test boosters pretty well covered :)
 
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I’m interested in degestive formula…started using 5% nutrition Diges-ten and it’s been an absolute lifesaver for $20 a month. I’m finally regular and not bloated 24/7
Highly recommend you check out 5% digesten while you wait for Steve to drop his product.
That product isn't a bad product and I'm glad that its helping you, but its basically just a digestive enzyme product.

I'm certainly open to doing a digestive enzyme product and had already been thinking about one and working on a formula for one; I'm actually hoping that the digestive health product options we have lined up will go well as their are several digestive health type products that I would like to do.

But the digestive support formula that I mentioned in the initial post is a much more advanced digestive health product that addressed a wide variety of gut and digestive health issues and is focused on total overall gut health and addressing the root causes of a range of digestive problems. It is so comprehensive that even the branded ingredient companies that have seen the formulas are super excited about this - a good analogy for it is that it will be like the Anabolic XT of gut health formulas in terms of effectiveness.
 
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A restock on Phosphatidic acid-XT
Phosphatidic Acid XT should be back in stock within the next couple of weeks.

Here is a link to the out of stocks/back in stock status thread - that and the product specific intro and discussion threads, plus following us on social media are the best way to keep up with things coming back in stock.


In that thread, I go into a lot of detail as to the reasons that things may be out of stock that people don't see or realize - especially with first runs of new products and how its very difficult to gauge 2nd and 3rd runs until a company knows how they are going to sell and how many they need to order, how long independent product testing can take, etc.

I can absolutely promise you that no one wants any out of stock products, especially good selling ones to be back in stock more than we do as a company and more than I do personally :)
 
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For flavoring IMO, hard to beat watermelon in general. I always get that flavor when available.

Can you give any details on daily gains?
Thank you for the suggestion.

I can confirm that we will be doing a watermelon flavor in several of the flavored products that we are coming out with this year and actually just received in the first one - Watermelon Breeze is a new flavor that we added to our Creatine HCI powder lineup and it just came in. I'll get it listed hopefully over the weekend.

We will also likely be doing a Watermelon Lime flavor in a couple of things.

Daily Gains is the name for the daily use ergogenic and is basically going to include a lot of the staple ingredients for muscle building that need to be taken daily.

There are a lot of great ingredients that have a lot of muscle building and performance enhancing potential that companies use in pre-workouts as 'window dressing' and as a sales pitch, but where the real research on them shows them needing to be used daily for best results.

I don't want to give out ingredients on this yet because I just made another formula change to it and every time I do that, we have to get another flavor sample done to make sure it still tastes good - but I'm definitely open to hearing suggestions that people would like to see in one.

A big challenge with Daily Gains has been that I could just keep adding and adding ingredients but after a certain point, no one would buy it bc of the price if I did that; so we have to set a price of what we want it to sell for based on what we think people are willing to pay and then offer the best product that we possibly can for that price point.
 

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That product isn't a bad product and I'm glad that its helping you, but its basically just a digestive enzyme product.

I'm certainly open to doing a digestive enzyme product and had already been thinking about one and working on a formula for one; I'm actually hoping that the digestive health product options we have lined up will go well as their are several digestive health type products that I would like to do.

But the digestive support formula that I mentioned in the initial post is a much more advanced digestive health product that addressed a wide variety of gut and digestive health issues and is focused on total overall gut health and addressing the root causes of a range of digestive problems. It is so comprehensive that even the branded ingredient companies that have seen the formulas are super excited about this - a good analogy for it is that it will be like the Anabolic XT of gut health formulas in terms of effectiveness.
I’m excited to check it out!
 
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I am really excited about Cardiovascular Support xt, sleep shot xt, the digestion product, daily gains, the hydration product and I would be VERY interested in the endurance/fat burning product. I am sure I would try some of the other products too. These are just some that I will buy for sure.

Some other products I would be interested in would be some for seasonal allergy support, dream support and eye health support.

For the digestion support, would it be an overall digestive health product or more specialized? I am interested in support for acid reflux and leaky gut. Digestive enzymes for breaking down fat and protein would be nice too.
Thank you for the feedback. I really appreciate it.

Cardiovascular Support XT is a great formula and will be a very special product - its one that I'm really excited about because it has so much potential to help so many people in so many different ways.

Sleep Shot XT - I love and had been wanting to do this for awhile and am super excited about.

The digestive health product is something truly special and never has been done before - in the sense of so many clinically researched branded ingredients being used together in one digestive health formula to address so many different aspects of digestive health.

Daily Gains - I'm very excited about too bc it will really allow people to get the best results out of a lot of supplements that they may be getting in pre-workouts but really need to be used daily for best results.

Hydration product - great formula, great product - I just can't think of a good marketable name for it. It's really important for a product like this to have a marketable name because in order to be viable, it needs to be successful with athletes and people outside the bodybuilding community. LMNT and Liquid IV are great examples of names and branding that have been super successful in that market space.

Endurance/Fat Burning product - thank you for your feedback. I have a great formula designed for this, I just wanted to get some opinions from people on if they would actually buy it and if it would be something they would use regularly.

Seasonal allergy support - I love the idea but its a tough category because most people don't use or even think to look for natural alternatives for them and just head straight to the drugstore and buy allergy meds. But I'm definitely open to doing one if enough people are interested.

Dream Support - I had thought about doing a lucid dreaming product as I absolutely love vivid dreams. The ingredients that help people with that tend to vary a lot from person to person so that makes it more difficult; but I have had a formula designed for this for awhile and could do a small run of it whenever I feel like enough people may be interested. We had even gotten some of the ingredients individually and tried them in different combinations and it works great for most people. The only iffy one was Huperzine A bc while it helps a lot of people with vivid dreams, the occasional person can't take it too close to bedtime without it keeping them awake.

Eye Health Support - I have a great formula for this and I just forgot to mention it in that post. There's a good chance it may get released this year as part of the Health Series.

Digestive Health:

The first product is going to be a very comprehensive digestive support formula that is going to be a very special and very unique product that nothing like it has ever been done before in terms of putting together this comprehensive of a formula for digestive health all in one product.

I hope that it does well and if it does, I would like to expand the digestive health support offerings to include an enzyme formula, a leaky gut specific formula, and several other types of formulas that the formulas are already completed for and I'm just not ready to reveal yet because some have never been done before all in one product.

The digestive health product started as one product and became literally years worth of research and evolved into several different formulas, many of which are so unique that we've considered doing a digestive health sub-brand of SNS devoted to it. The reason for a sub-brand is that one could do a website devoted specifically to those products without people being overwhelmed by all the other types. For example, my grandmother would love a digestive health formula but as soon as she sees a banner for Anabolic XT on the homepage, she's not looking any further haha.
 
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I haqve mentioned before, it would be a blend of what you have in the sense of Urolithin B, epicatechin, phosphatidic acid, spermadine all in 1 supplement.

Something you could literally take daily to just raise your baseline up a few notches.
 
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Phosphatidic Acid XT should be back in stock within the next couple of weeks.

Here is a link to the out of stocks/back in stock status thread - that and the product specific intro and discussion threads, plus following us on social media are the best way to keep up with things coming back in stock.


In that thread, I go into a lot of detail as to the reasons that things may be out of stock that people don't see or realize - especially with first runs of new products and how its very difficult to gauge 2nd and 3rd runs until a company knows how they are going to sell and how many they need to order, how long independent product testing can take, etc.

I can absolutely promise you that no one wants any out of stock products, especially good selling ones to be back in stock more than we do as a company and more than I do personally :)
Sorry brother, I’m just stoking the fire. Lol
 
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Sorry brother, I’m just stoking the fire. Lol
Thank you - I'm not upset with you, I know you didn't mean anything bad by it, which is why I replied nicely to you about it.

I'm not upset with you as my interactions with you have been positive in the past and I know that you probably don't realize the extent of the situation and how fed up I am with people on here's negative and mean spirited and antagonistic comments about the out of stock situation in general.

I appreciate people that are genuinely enthusiastic and excited and want to try things - but that hasn't been the case with a lot of the negative and hateful remarks on here in the last couple of months about it.

I have a good sense of humor overall, but towards people's comments on stuff like this - not yours, as I realize you likely didn't know about how bad its gotten, but that's why I'm explaining it.

To some people on here, they may think they're just joking or being funny - but what's some people's idea of being funny or just stoking at something - to me is being antagonistic (after I've asked nicely numerous times for people's smartass comments to stop) and them joking about and taking disrespectful cheap shots at and making light of something that affects my livelihood, something that I've put years of my life into, and making jokes about things that negatively affect my ability to live my life, help people, and take care of my daughter as a single dad.

Last year was the most challenging year of my life both mentally and physically - I was hit by a car, almost died, spend a long period in a wheelchair, and since then have been trying to learn how to walk again - all while working 70+ hours a week and trying to keep these companies open and recovery financially and still take the time to help everyone on here that I can.

I'll be totally transparent and say that its bothered me on a personal level to the point to where the reason that that thread that I posted the link to was created was because I'd told the Admin that I was done posting here because of it. He asked if I would create one thread and just reply with a link to it and give the place one last chancing before stopping.

That's the reason that I posted the link to that thread in post #5 above - because if this thread becomes negative &/or becomes about people making remarks about out of stocks, I'm going to have the Admin delete it.
 
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I would be interested to see what you would target with a mushroom supplement because you have a lot of options. I bought several bottles of the peak02 capsules so if it was an upgrade or replacement of that I would be in.
We should hopefully have PEAK02 caps back in stock within the next couple of weeks.

The idea for the mushroom product isn't along the lines of something like PEAK02; the idea was offering say 8 to 10 of the most popular mushrooms in one product and having good forms of and dosages of of each. A lot of the mushroom formulas available now days have a little of all of them but not really enough of any of them, so the idea would be for example, and this is just an example - to have say 500 mg. of each type in the capsule product and maybe 1,000 mg. of each type in the powder version. Like a true multi-mushroom formula at good dosages.
 
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I haqve mentioned before, it would be a blend of what you have in the sense of Urolithin B, epicatechin, phosphatidic acid, spermadine all in 1 supplement.

Something you could literally take daily to just raise your baseline up a few notches.
I like the general idea of that but the problem with it would be that it would be so expensive that a lot of people wouldn't buy it and I feel that it may be a better option for people to be able to purchase some of those separately and stack them how they'd like to.

I have been considering doing a very comprehensive anti-aging/longevity formula that would contain spermidine and a lot of other anti-aging/longevity ingredients all in one product. I have considered doing 3 separate formulas to keep costs down and make it more affordable for people - such as a telomere formula, a mitochondria formula, and a senescence formula. But on the other hand, there is some overlap there and its had me pondering and wondering about just saying screw it and going all out and doing the absolute ultimate anti-aging/longevity formula and not holding back based on cost and just letting the final price fall where it may. I've seen quite a few products in that price range selling for 150 to 200 a month and are honestly nothing compared to some of the formula concepts I've put together for one.
 
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I deeply apologize if I offended you in anyway. I’m very sorry. I was only eager to try your product I was not trying to be offensive at all.
Peace my friend. 🙏🏼
 
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Hello.
Are you considering to include byroviron in any product ? or maybe a solo product.

Looks like an interesting ingredient.

Have a good night
 
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I deeply apologize if I offended you in anyway. I’m very sorry. I was only eager to try your product I was not trying to be offensive at all.
Peace my friend. 🙏🏼
You didn't and I appreciate it you caring. I knew you either were excited or just joking and that's why I replied to you nicely about it and linked you to that thread.

When you posted the post about 'stoking the fire', that's where I wanted to take the opportunity to explain that I did know that you were joking by that but there has been a lot of mean spiritedness on here lately that hasn't been; I wanted you to know that I know that you didn't mean it negatively and also that my post towards you wasn't negative either.

In these threads, I'm normally pretty humorous and joke and interact a lot because that's my personality - but I wanted to go ahead and address in general to anyone else - that I was fine with people asking when something would be back in stock and even set up a thread to help people keep track of it - but that I was done with people being disrespectful to me over it and that if this thread became people making sarcastic remarks and being antagonistic about it, I would just have it deleted.

Me and you are good - no offense taken at all - I just didn't want others to chime in and be mean spirited.
 
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I like the general idea of that but the problem with it would be that it would be so expensive that a lot of people wouldn't buy it and I feel that it may be a better option for people to be able to purchase some of those separately and stack them how they'd like to.

I have been considering doing a very comprehensive anti-aging/longevity formula that would contain spermidine and a lot of other anti-aging/longevity ingredients all in one product. I have considered doing 3 separate formulas to keep costs down and make it more affordable for people - such as a telomere formula, a mitochondria formula, and a senescence formula. But on the other hand, there is some overlap there and its had me pondering and wondering about just saying screw it and going all out and doing the absolute ultimate anti-aging/longevity formula and not holding back based on cost and just letting the final price fall where it may. I've seen quite a few products in that price range selling for 150 to 200 a month and are honestly nothing compared to some of the formula concepts I've put together for one.
Yeah, it would be expensive...I understand.

But the longevity....that is a big yes from me!
 
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Yeah, it would be expensive...I understand.

But the longevity....that is a big yes from me!
Yeah, I thought about making 3 separate products and people being able to pick one or stack them to make them cheaper, but then there was so much overlap that I thought maybe just do an all in one but yeah, the price would be pretty high. Then I thought, maybe do one just overall the best damn anti-aging/longevity product period for the people than can afford it and still do simpler but great formulas under the health series at a great price.

I also thought about doing some single ingredient options or simple combos like Spermidine, Astragaloside IV, Fisetin, Telos95 + Spermidine, and some other ideas.
 

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Thank you for Cistanche XT coming ,we are really looking forward to.
Single ingredients would be interested in DHEA XT and Pregnenolone XT and maybe those two together in one.
Finally muscle building product in one covering all major pathways of natural muscle building :
- MTOR pathway ( phosphatidic acid XT or Korean Mistletoe )
- cAMP pathway ( Symplocos Racemosa Extract )
- Follistatin/ Myostatin pathway ( Epicatechin or E.Cava ).
Something like Anabolic XT+ Anabolic Effect or Anabolic XT+ PA XT , but not needed to ingest 12 pills/day!
 
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But the digestive support formula that I mentioned in the initial post is a much more advanced digestive health product that addressed a wide variety of gut and digestive health issues and is focused on total overall gut health and addressing the root causes of a range of digestive problems. It is so comprehensive that even the branded ingredient companies that have seen the formulas are super excited about this - a good analogy for it is that it will be like the Anabolic XT of gut health formulas in terms of effectiveness.
Quite intrigued.
 

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Also, would anyone like to see (as in would it actually be something that you would buy regularly):
  • A CEL Anabolic Sleep Formula
  • A CEL Fat Burning/Endurance Formula
    • This would be a very unique formula that would be the closest thing to a legal, compliant, and safe natural version of Cardarine.
    • Note that I am not directly comparing it to Cardarine because I don’t compare supplements to illegal drugs or research chemicals; I’m just using that as an example of what the intended goals of the product would be.
  • SNS Mushroom Product
    • My thought is doing both a capsule and powder version of this if we do one, that way we would have a capsule version for people that don’t want to take a powder, and a powder version for people that don’t mind the powder and want a higher dose.
I look forward to hearing everyone's opinions, thoughts, and ideas.
I love these ideas, especially the second 2.
 
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Yeah, I thought about making 3 separate products and people being able to pick one or stack them to make them cheaper, but then there was so much overlap that I thought maybe just do an all in one but yeah, the price would be pretty high. Then I thought, maybe do one just overall the best damn anti-aging/longevity product period for the people than can afford it and still do simpler but great formulas under the health series at a great price.

I also thought about doing some single ingredient options or simple combos like Spermidine, Astragaloside IV, Fisetin, Telos95 + Spermidine, and some other ideas.
I do like an all in 1 with: Uro B, Spermidine, Astragalus, Fisetin and Telos95 would be amazing. Even at a higher than normal per bottle price point like $100 i would be something i would take every day.
 
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Hello.
Are you considering to include byroviron in any product ? or maybe a solo product.

Looks like an interesting ingredient.

Have a good night
I've read up on it in the past but its not one that we've ever been asked for very much.

You're welcome to pm me any information on it that you think is interesting.

Some of the information on the Byroviron in the beginning was a bit confusing because some brands spoke of it as a patented ingredient which led other brands to thinking that they couldn't use it; but if I'm not mistaken, the ingredient itself isn't patented, just the name itself is trademarked by Nutracap - not that there is anything wrong with that, it just means the ingredient itself is fine to use, you just might have to have products made by them to use the trademarked name.
 
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Thank you for Cistanche XT coming ,we are really looking forward to.
Single ingredients would be interested in DHEA XT and Pregnenolone XT and maybe those two together in one.
Finally muscle building product in one covering all major pathways of natural muscle building :
- MTOR pathway ( phosphatidic acid XT or Korean Mistletoe )
- cAMP pathway ( Symplocos Racemosa Extract )
- Follistatin/ Myostatin pathway ( Epicatechin or E.Cava ).
Something like Anabolic XT+ Anabolic Effect or Anabolic XT+ PA XT , but not needed to ingest 12 pills/day!
Thank you. I'm glad to hear that you're looking forward to Cistanche XT, we should have that one released very soon.

I would be open to a DHEA and Pregnenolone or a combination of them if enough people wanted them.

In regards to wanting something like all of those together but not having to take a lot of capsules per day, that's unfortunately simply impossible - and for reasons that many times marketing based brands exploit and take advantage of - we all would prefer to take as few capsules as possible, and that leads some brands to use a lot of different ingredients in a product as 'window dressing' and either use them in prop blends or dose them so low that they wouldn't be effective in order to keep costs down and also to keep the number of capsules needed per day to a minimum; but its unfortunate because it then leads some consumers to believe they are taking ingredients that they aren't taking enough of for it to matter.

The reason is that you can only fit x amount of milligrams of material in a particular size capsule. On average, the general rule for multi-ingredient formulas is that you can fit around 750 mg. in a size 00 capsule and sometimes with single ingredients you may can fit 800'ish. But that is a general rule and for many things it may be less because of raw material density and how 'fluffy' a raw material is.

We offer a great range of products in the categories that you asking about, as you mentioned yourself.
  • Anabolic XT - contains SR10X Symplocos, Eucommia Ulmoides, Ecklonia Cava, SA3X Spilanthes, G70X Panax Ginseng, Cistanche, Black Ginger Extract, AstraGin, and Bioperine (requires 6 capsules)
  • Phosphatidic Acid XT - 1,500 mg. Mediator Phosphatidic Acid (750 mg. PA), Senactiv, Apigenin, AstraGin, & Bioperine (requires 4 caps)
  • Recomp20 - contains SR10X Symplocos + Cocoabuterol (requires 4 capsules)
  • Anabolic Effect - contains 2,000 mg. Korean Mistletoe, Eriobotrya Japonica, Rehmannaie Radix, PrimaVie, Senactiv, S7, & AstraGin (requires 6 capsules)
  • Epi-Plex - Epicatechin & Bioperine (Piperine) (1 capsule per dose)
There isn't any product on that list that we use more capsules for than absolutely necessary.

You mentioned some specific examples such as:
- Anabolic XT + Anabolic Effect - this would require 12 capsules whether they were two separate products or all in one formula.
- Anabolic XT + Phosphatidic Acid XT - this would require 10 capsules whether they were two separate products or all in one formula

I hope that all of that makes sense.
 
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I do like an all in 1 with: Uro B, Spermidine, Astragalus, Fisetin and Telos95 would be amazing. Even at a higher than normal per bottle price point like $100 i would be something i would take every day.
If we were to do that, it would have those + a lot more too.

We would go with Astragaloside IV though, not regular astragalus - that's kind of a pet peeve of mine is I hate seeing brands try to pass off 12.00 per kg. Astragalus as Astragaloside IV (which is expensive) by saying contains Astragaloside IV - yes it does, but not enough to make a difference.
 
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Bromantane would be nice.
Glad to see you posting in the thread and I look forward to hopefully seeing more ideas.

Bromantane is a drug though, not a supplement so there's no way we could do that one.
 
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If we were to do that, it would have those + a lot more too.

We would go with Astragaloside IV though, not regular astragalus - that's kind of a pet peeve of mine is I hate seeing brands try to pass off 12.00 per kg. Astragalus as Astragaloside IV (which is expensive) by saying contains Astragaloside IV - yes it does, but not enough to make a difference.
Would love to see you all put out a longevity/anti-aging product that retails around $80-100/month. With your sourcing expertise, I feel it’d be the best on the market. Probably more loaded than the products that costs like $129/month
 
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If we were to do that, it would have those + a lot more too.

We would go with Astragaloside IV though, not regular astragalus - that's kind of a pet peeve of mine is I hate seeing brands try to pass off 12.00 per kg. Astragalus as Astragaloside IV (which is expensive) by saying contains Astragaloside IV - yes it does, but not enough to make a difference.
I hear you! IV is the the gold standard, followed by Astragalus standardized to a certain % of polysaccarides distantly followed by just astragalus which is basically useless in the doses given.

Tangentially, we need to be skeptical of all the expensive registered versions of things. In most cases a standardized version is just as good at a lower price. Good example is using piperine vs Bioperine. Give me the non-branded but standardized version giving the same effective dose at the lower price all the time.
 
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Want to help with naming ideas for a couple of products?

We are trying to figure out good names for:
  • An SNS hydration product
  • An SNS EAA/Intra product
  • SNS Digestive Health Formula
Keep in mind that the names need to be indicative of what the products are and need to be catchy, as in mainstream marketability for them.
- Moist XT doesn’t exactly roll of the tongue does it . With that being said, I truly think the best name for the hydration prodcut might just be Hydrate XT. I could even see Saturate XT.

- Intra-Build XT

- Gastric Support Xt sounds terrible, so again I think Digestion Support XT might be the best move. I think most of the health series will appeal to the older crowd and a simpler name may be best
 
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We are trying to figure out good names for:
  • An SNS hydration product
  • An SNS EAA/Intra product
  • SNS Digestive Health Formula
Just popping in to say these are likely the products I would most use out of the upcoming line up, so glad to see they're up first!

Also, ETA? I kid, I kid
 

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Very excited about all the new stim, endurance, and fat loss products. At the end of the day that’s always the first thing I open up my wallet for.

Any mind blowing new ingredients tucked in there?

Although you have it solo something like Sabroxy might also go great into a pre.
 

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Thanks for the new thread and taking the time to listen. That’s an awesome pipeline so far! I’ll categorize my thoughts as follows:

What else would I buy that you haven’t suggested yet?
  • Ginseng-XT, with a good mix of high quality extracts.
  • Fiber XT focusing more on fullness and slower glucose absorption.
  • Sustained Release beta alanine, this looks promising but what’s available has been marked up to the moon.
  • Super-Stim XT- if possible something cap based without a lot of caffeine. Like the Eria caps but a couple new / different ingredients. I assumed the products in queue were already caffeinated
Products you’ve mentioned that I want to add a comment on:
  • Creatine complex, you mentioned by tri-creatine Malate / orotate or some other forms? I know it’s cheesy to have 10 for the sake of 10 but I thought 5% Crea-Ten was a great idea overall, including the absorption components
  • Grape bubblegum energized aminos. I know you’re bringing a lot of good new flavors but wasn’t sure if that flavor is in the line for that product or not

 

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What I'd like to see from CEL is M-Test back in stock. LOL. Only I'm not joking. I like the look of Test Fix from Muscle Addiction but it's $10 more for 2 bottles and doesn't have quite the profile as M-Test. What I'd like to see from Muscle Addiction is something like Test Fix Plus. Add 25mg's of arimistane to Test Fix and wham. You've got a deal.

With the recent publicity that Tongkat and Fadogia have been getting especially after Huberman went on Rogan and talked about it, is that why M-Test is hard to keep stocked up on?
 

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What I'd like to see from CEL is M-Test back in stock. LOL. Only I'm not joking. I like the look of Test Fix from Muscle Addiction but it's $10 more for 2 bottles and doesn't have quite the profile as M-Test. What I'd like to see from Muscle Addiction is something like Test Fix Plus. Add 25mg's of arimistane to Test Fix and wham. You've got a deal.

With the recent publicity that Tongkat and Fadogia have been getting especially after Huberman went on Rogan and talked about it, is that why M-Test is hard to keep stocked up on?
Steve has been very open in these threads that he is busting his @$$ to get everything back in-stock as fast as possible. People busting his balls isn’t going to make it come out faster, just keep him from posting on here.

He is the one losing money when a product can’t be purchased.
There are so many supply logistics and issues involved and with how many SKUs they have only so many things can be run at a time. Thankfully for us, he isn’t willing to cut corners just to get stuff restocked quicker. They will come out as soon as he can possibly get them out.

I don’t think this is unique to supplement companies though. Every time I go to the grocery store I will see certain products out for weeks. Personally, my fix has been to just stock up on stuff when available or on sale that way if it’s something I use regularly or really want/need I’m safe for a few months until a restock.

Not trying to be confrontational, I just don’t want Steve to stop posting here because he’s tired of people using these threads to beat him up over things out of his control. He has mentioned previously that he is almost done.
 

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Side note, I have used the TestFix product and it’s a good product. I get similar benefits as I do from M-Test. I already take KSM-66 and boron daily as staples so it’s almost the same. I’m not a huge fan of armistane anymore but Muscle Addiction does have a cheap armistane product that could easily be added if you prefer. I believe it’s called Eradicate-E.
 

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