Tell Us What You Would Like to See From SNS & CEL (2022 Edition)
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sns8778
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Makes sense from the nostalgia side of things.
But I think it would create a lot of confusion on the consumer end of things.
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JeremyNG25
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I felt more pain relief at 4800 mg. Absolutely made a difference for me. So 6 capsules a day
aaronuconn
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Thanks for the feedback
Stacks1
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I'm a weirdo when it comes to creatine. I always liked the different creatines because traditional creatine monohydrate gave me stomach issues. After experimenting with different kinds I've found my favorite to be di-creatine malate. Unfortunately, the only company I know that makes it is Bodybuilidng. com. The downside is that there probably isn't much of a market other than me (lol)... but the upside is that there isn't any competition either.
aaronuconn
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Check out Creatine magnesium chelate or Creatine HCI. Tends to alleviate the stomach issues that Creatine mono causes some people. Those are my two favorite designer creatines if I had to choose. I just stick with mono since I have zero issues with it, but definitely feel for y’all that can’t handle it.
SNS puts out both HCI and magnesium chelate Creatine. Think the MCC has been out of stock due to supplier issues. I buy the HCI caps from SNS when I have extended travel and want caps
JKVol
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Have you tried HCL? I’d be really surprised if you had issues with it.
Stacks1
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Appreciate the comments. I haven't tried the HCl but I should. The small issue I have with it is that SNS makes it in capsules, which is fine but I already take plenty of capsules and prefer mixing it with my post workout drink. However, the powder that SNS does make is all flavors which don't blend with my protein powders. If it were flavorless I'd definitely pick it up.
Now I know that sounds stupid... why not just have the protein shake and then mix the creatine separately? Or just take the pills? The short answer is convenience. It's just more convenient to throw it all into my post workout shake rather than adding more pills or another drink to my routine.
JKVol
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I completely get your issue with the caps. There’s one other outfit I’ll buy from when SNS doesn’t have what I need like HCI in bulk.
sns8778
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That's not being a weirdo at all. I can't take Creatine Monohydrate myself without feeling like and looking like I swallowed a dang Volkswagen bc it bloats me so badly.
We offer Creatine HCI Caps and Powder and Magnesium Creatine Chelate powder, which are great options.
It's funny that you mentioned DiCreatine Malate because I was thinking about another source of Creatine to add to Daily Gains, the upcoming daily use ergogenic, and that was one of the ones that I was considering.
I know that we will be using Creatine Magnapower/Magnesium Creatine Chelate in it but I was thinking of adding another type to it and two of the ones I was considering were DiCreatine Malate and Creatine Anhydrous. The reason that I was considering Creatine Anhydrous was bc so many people ask us to do an Ergonine competitor, which Daily Gains basically will be that + more, and they used Anhydrous in Ergonine.
Stacks1
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I would try it regardless of which creatine you use, although I am a fan of dicreatine malate. Out of curiosity, why doesn't your HCl powder come in flavorless form? Just seems more convenient that way to mix it with your protein shake.
sns8778
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Creatine HCI and Magnesium Creatine Chelate are both great options.
And you're correct, when creatine prices went up so drastically, Creatine Magnapower wasn't available for awhile and then when it was again, the price was originally over 5x what it was before - and we just stayed out of stock bc I don't think people would pay that. The price has come back down but its still expensive as compared to before, but we should have it back in stock within a month for two.
Creatine HCI Caps are very popular for us because most people love the convenience of popping a couple of capsules.
We also have Creatine HCI Powder getting ready to be back in stock and will be introducing a couple of new flavors in it. Blue Raspberry is changing to a Blue Raspberry Popsicle flavor, we'll still have Lemon Lime, and we're adding a Watermelon Breeze and a Pink Grapefruit.
sns8778
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Creatine HCI Caps have always greatly outsold the powder for us, I think mainly due to the convenience of being able to take a couple of capsules versus having to mix and drink a drink mix. I use a combination - if I'm in a hurry, the capsules are just such a better option. If I'm sitting and my desk and have the time, I'll make one to drink.
Creatine HCI powder will be back in stock next week and we're adding some new flavors. Blue Raspberry is changing to Blue Raspberry Popsicle, there will still be Lemon Lime, and then we are adding a Watermelon Breeze and a Pink Grapefruit flavor.
BillD
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What dosage would you typically recommend for 190lb male?
sns8778
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I had this one open to reply to when you posted the new one below, so I multi-quoted them both to answer everything for you in one post.
We offer Magnesium Creatine Chelate powder in an unflavored from, although we have been out of stock for reasons explained in an above post about the suppliers prices being through the roof for awhile; but we get asked constantly to offer a flavored powder form in it rather than an unflavored.
Creatine HCI caps have always outsold the powdered form for us because a lot of people consider it more convenient to be able to pop 1 or 2 capsules than have to make a a drink mix.
We do have Creatine HCI powder due back in stock this coming week and have added some new flavors.
A lot of people consider capsules to be the most convenient way to take Creatine HCI because the dosage is so low, it doesn't require a lot of capsules and they can wash them down with their pre-workout or protein shake afterward or whatever/whenever else that they would like to.
I had thought about offering an unflavored Creatine HCI powder for years - I had even had label artwork designed for the label and was going to do one, but in one of these threads a few years ago, I had asked for opinions and everyone wanted new flavors and literally no one, not a single person, said anything positive about offering an unflavored powder, so I had shelved the idea.
I don't like the taste at all of Creatine HCI unflavored so its not one that I would ever use personally honestly; I would go with a flavored powder if I wanted powder or I'd go with the capsules if I wanted convenience.
I've thrown Lemon Lime over in my protein shakes a ton of times and the flavor is so feint I didn't even know it was in there.
Something else that has to be considered overall too is that most people use Creatine HCI either in the morning and then pre or post or they use it pre and post; so they may not always being doing a protein shake to mix unflavored into.
Sorry if overexplained, I just wanted to thoroughly answer your question and explain why we hadn't.
Stacks1
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Interesting. I can give the lemon lime a shot in my protein shake. I use a fruit punch protein powder post workout so maybe it'll taste good. I'm going to try it. Thanks!
sns8778
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1.5 to 3 grams per day total.
Personally, if using it as the only creatine source, I would do 3 grams per day (1.5 grams twice per day) and split my dosage on workout days either morning and then pre or post workout or pre and post workout. On non-workout days, I would split my dosage morning and night.
Each capsule is 750 mg. so that is 1 to 2 capsules twice per day.
Each scoop of powder is 750 mg. so that is 1 to 2 scoops twice per day.
sns8778
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If you use fruit flavored protein you're probably going to love it then. You've got me thinking about trying some of the new flavors mixed with protein myself now.
The flavored powders will be in next week and will be:
- Blue Raspberry is changing to Blue Raspberry Popsicle
- Lemon Lime
- Watermelon Breeze (new flavor)
- Pink Grapefruit (new flavor)
We'll likely do some multi-pack deal of some sort for people wanting to buy containers of more than one flavor to try some of them out, so if you want to click on my profile to 'follow' me on here, you'll see whenever we offer that. It should be by mid-week I'm hoping. I'll also try to remember to post it in this thread as soon as they come in.
3clipseGT
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sns8778
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I hesitate to give even guestimates because of how hard it is to give accurate ETA's now days, but the raw materials are in, have been tested, and its in the production lineup process.
My best guess would be a couple weeks - I'm on my last bottle for myself so I'm going to be quite pissed myself if it doesn't come in soon haha. I feel like the last few months KannaEase and Stress & Anxiety Support have been the biggest factor in keeping me from slapping people haha.
3clipseGT
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Hahahaha yes absolutely! I use it and I have put several people onto it as well and I am scouring the interwebz looking for bottles for myself and these other people
Stacks1
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Yeah those might actually taste pretty good in my shake. I'll definitely give it a shot!
I'm currently taking Growth Factor XT and really like it. Are you still making it because I've noticed it's out of stock at my usual retailers?
sns8778
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Hahahaha yes absolutely! I use it and I have put several people onto it as well and I am scouring the interwebz looking for bottles for myself and these other people
I don't know of anywhere that has any in stock; I wish that I did - but know that I'm rushing this as much as possible bc I definitely need it myself.
I had created a thread just the other day to help people keep up with back in stocks so check this out and subscribe to it:
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I also made myself a note to shoot you a pm as soon as its back in too. I'll probably put together a multi-pack deal for people that want to buy a 6 month or year supply at a discounted price on it so they don't have to worry about running out.
3clipseGT
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Sweet! I subscribed to that thread. That would be awesome, thank you! It’s definitely a life saver for staying out of trouble with the law
3clipseGT
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Sweet! I subscribed to that thread. That would be awesome, thank you! It’s definitely a life saver for staying out of trouble with the law
sns8778
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Sweet! I subscribed to that thread. That would be awesome, thank you! It’s definitely a life saver for staying out of trouble with the law
I can definitely relate and feel that way myself too a lot of the time haha
We're doing some website updates and implementing a new review system on the site - that would make for a great testimonial haha.
sns8778
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Cool. Let me know what you think when you try it - I'm curious how it goes with your protein.
We are hoping to bring Growth Factor XT back within the next 2 months. I'm super picky on the formulation side of things - one of the ingredients is no longer available and most brands would have just took it out or did a quick substitute for it and kept on going, but I spent honestly probably way too much time trying to find the perfect replacement for that one ingredient and testing out some different ingredients and combos.
Everything is done now - formula finalized, new labels done, etc. so we're just waiting for all the raws to arrive and as soon as they do and go through testing, we'll have it back available. I'm super excited to get it back in myself.
3clipseGT
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I can definitely relate and feel that way myself too a lot of the time haha
We're doing some website updates and implementing a new review system on the site - that would make for a great testimonial haha.
Ill keep checking and when its up and running you know id be happy to leave a review stating that! Hahaha
Stacks1
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Yeah stick to the formula - it works. I don't mind waiting if it's the same product! But if you can't get the ingredients I'll try the new formula.
aaronuconn
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Mind me asking what ingredient isn’t available? My assumption was 3-OH-GABA, but that’s just because I haven’t seen it anywhere but Growth Factor XT haha
sns8778
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It's a great formula and that is what took us awhile - testing out different ingredients and different ingredient combinations because I wanted to make sure that it was as good or better.
The new version will have all of the same ingredients of the original + a couple of new ones that I think people will like a lot.
The particular raw material that is no longer available is just literally no longer available - as in there were only a couple of legitimate raw material suppliers that made it and they all stopped during Covid and have no intention of starting back up because there just isn't enough demand for it. We had even looked into having some custom produced but the cost of doing that is so much that it just wouldn't be cost feasible at that point.
The new version will be just as good, if not better than the original. It's one that I'm actually very excited about.
sns8778
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Yes, it is the 3-OH GABA. The reason you didn't see it anywhere else is because it is such an expensive ingredient to use; and very few raw material suppliers offered it or could make it at a reasonable cost. No legit supplier makes it anymore and the cost of having it custom produced was over 4x the original cost and it was already a very expensive ingredient.
It all worked out though bc the new formula is as good, if not better.
sns8778
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Thank you. I really appreciate that. That would be awesome haha.
sns8778
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I'll check to see if this is still readily available.
Just curious - what's your thoughts on this and why you think its a good idea?
I'm not saying that it's not; I'm just asking because I'm curious to hear your or other peoples thoughts on it.
Stacks1
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Well I'm looking forward to it. I haven't tried all your products yet but I have tried a lot. And of all the ones I have tried, Growth Factor XT has to be the most underrated.
SSJ4GOD
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Those old labels were straight fire, honestly I would see people paying a few bucks more per bottle for the “limited retro edition” labels. Also there is just something about wording ending with DROL that make me want to buy it more lol
PoSiTiVeFLoW
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Just joining team SNS - going deep with 4x Inhibit P + 4x Inhibit E (on sale at DPS), for some upcoming NPP runs, but will check those flavored Creatine HCL and noticed the glycerpump sale/code too.
Would SNS ever consider something like Meldonium? Invalid Link Removed - been used by some famous athletes in the past for the oxygen and endurance enhancements. I don't think it's banned in US, just couldn't use it in sports.
Would SNS ever consider something like Meldonium? Invalid Link Removed - been used by some famous athletes in the past for the oxygen and endurance enhancements. I don't think it's banned in US, just couldn't use it in sports.
sns8778
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I definitely agree that it was a very very underrated product.
Most of the people that tried it loved it - it just kind of fell into a unique category and some people just didn't try it to give it a chance.
I loved the great sleep quality and also the really cool vivid dreams.
sns8778
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Those old labels were straight fire, honestly I would see people paying a few bucks more per bottle for the “limited retro edition” labels. Also there is just something about wording ending with DROL that make me want to buy it more lol
I mean, we could probably do it on something as a small run - but it would cost a little more bc there would be a separate label expense, bottle changeover to white, etc.
It would have to be a direct sale only type of thing too so it didn't confuse the crap out of retailers and consumers that didn't even know about CEL then.
Just thinking here, if were going to do something like that, maybe do something like just one or two products with old style labels on them and have a retro style shirt or something like that with a funny 'I remember' or something funny like that.
But my worry would be that it would be something that people would think was cool but wouldn't actually buy and then we'd be stuck with. I hate the idea of a presale on anything, but if ever there was a need for one, that may be it haha.
sns8778
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Thank you. I think you'll love Inhibit-E and Inhibit-P.
For anyone that isn't familiar with the GlycerPump code, I did a limited time sale code for GlycerPump capsules (glycerpump25) in a thread where some of us were discussing how great it is, but also how it does make capsules kind of squishy for lack of a better way to explain it because it pulls moisture in.
The Creatine HCI flavor samples were awesome so I think and hope that you'll like that too.
I'm getting ready tomorrow to do the 2023 version of this thread, so please post in there to follow along too. We have a lot of great products and a lot of cool things coming out throughout the year.
Meldonium is definitely considered a drug and is in no way legal for sale in the US as a supplement.
A lot of people make the mistake of thinking that because a substance isn't scheduled as a controlled substance or approved by the FDA in the US as a prescription that that means it can be sold as a supplement, but that is not correct. The fact that it is a prescription in other countries and the FDA acknowledges it as an unapproved drug here in the US means that a company offering it would be subject to several criminal charges including felony ones.
In addition to potential criminal charges as a company, the company would likely lose their ability to accept credit cards and would lose their insurance bc they would be super high risk of FDA action and lawsuits from athletes.
That would be more of something a company that was already breaking the law like a company still selling sarm's or research chemicals would do because they're already breaking numerous laws and just hoping not to get caught or hoping they'll make enough money to make it worth whatever trouble they do get in when they do. As with most things sold by companies like that, the consumer would also have no way of knowing what they were really getting bc the companies offering something like that wouldn't be able to send it off to legit labs for testing for risk of the labs turning them into the FDA.
On our end, we are an FDA registered GMP compliant company that only uses FDA registered GMP compliant contract manufacturers that adhere to or exceed all levels of compliance and quality testing, so it would definitely not be doable for us.
But I do appreciate the suggestion and idea. I just wanted to thoroughly explain why we could never do something like that.
JeremyNG25
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I use creatine HCL at 3 grams per day. It is a bit more expensive but bypassing the stomach issues is worth it in my opinion.
SSJ4GOD
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I think the idea of a retro pack with a shirt would be dope. Could always start with a simple polling on here to gauge interest. I usually don’t like presales but in this case it would make sense and I would absolutely throw down on a retro pack. Also being a direct sale type of thing I believe would be beneficial because that would more specifically target the audience for the retro run (old timers who remember). Plus you never know, the marketing potential of old labels that remind people of a golden era and the name ending in drol might cause a frenzy of some sort. Then you get people who just buy the pack for the t-shirt as well.
SSJ4GOD
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It’s crazy I have seen this stuff for sale on Amazon lol but god forbid they sell nac
GQdaLEGEND
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honestly with the price increase of mono ..i find it better price point then mono now a days.
im good at 1.5g ..so around $28 lasts me 75days ( if i dont skip any days )
Hyde
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I had to totally stop taking mono because of gut issues with it, so did my wife. And HCL has been out of stock forever, so I’m looking forward to this new batch to see if I can tolerate HCL and bring it back into my supp regiment!
sns8778
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I think and hope that you'll like Creatine HCI powder.
We have had the capsules in but have been out of the powder for a long time so I'll be glad to have it back.
I can't take monohydrate and I really like both MCC and Creatine HCI.
A lot of women love HCI because they don't get the bloating and fluid retention with it.
aaronuconn
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Would you ever consider a “CreaPlex” type supplement? Maybe Creatine anhydrous, MCC, and Creatine HCI? Then you could throw in some Peak ATP and/or ElevATP
sns8778
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I thought about doing a creatine with multiple sources in it for a long time.
If I do though, it probably wouldn't have Creatine HCI in it because a lot of people that like HCI seem to just want HCI; I'm not talking about people on here, just meaning in general.
I had thought about doing a Magnesium Creatine Chelate and then a couple of other sources and had been considering Creatine Anhydrous, DiCreatine Malate, and TriCreatine Orotate.