Nac
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Hey, it worked for Markus Ruhl.
masteron e/trestolone ace low dose...first cycle
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Hey, it worked for Markus Ruhl.
BCseacow83
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I vote for: Foundational Native Hormonal Platform from which you then build your "cycle" "stack"
Drunken Master
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so a little update
i went up with the trest dose too 100mg a week, some days ago, and already get what i take as slight gyno flareup / estrogen symptoms despite ralox. the symptoms are slight but non permanent "stabs" or pinching sensations in my chest from time to time. not my nipple. my chest, like close to the nipples below the skin. my nipples are normal. is that what i think it is/something serious or may be not/something else? i think i will go back to 75 mg and kick up the mast. very soon i will throw in some epistane too. like in the last 4 weeks.
if i decide to get off... i still don't know if i need HCG or not to stay on. HCG is off limits for me as far as obtaining it. can someone comment on that? does it matter if i take HCG or not when i stay on?
the cycle goes pretty good even though it doesn't blow my socks off. everything is normal besides some bursts of anger, no sleeping or blood pressure problems. the mast didn't seem to really kick in yet or seems to be pretty meaningless..but i'm not on it for long, so it might not have kicked in
i gained about 4kg pretty quick on a deficit, like within 2-3 days of injecting. that's the water. i'm on a deficit and working very hard on my job like i said.and i stay at 94kg (90 is where instarted) i'm pretty sure i'm recomping and carrying 4kg of water though
my workouts consist of full body every other day but unlike natty i go harder and to failure and doing more sets like usual. i usually do sets of 5 until i fail. like 6-7 sets of 5 and failing on the last one. and doing a lot of sets of 12 for the small muscles every other day and lateral raises every day which i usually not do.
the negative thing is, i already destroyed 4 ampoules by accident. 3 because i had them in my back pocket and sat on them. 1 because i drew them up in a drawing syringe at exactly the 1ml, had a drawing syringe with exactly 1ml of mast in it and got them mixed up and to throw both away cause they both look and smell the same (clear liquid that smells like raw potatoes), so i will run out somewhere down the line more sooner than late
if i will stay on i will probably switch to test prop or test E, for ysome reason li like tbe idea of test prop better. injecting and injection volume doesn't bother me in the least, like all people who not do oral only and have a wrong idea will probably know, injecting is nothing. the descreptancy between reality and what i thought it would be is due to the needle going inside of the flesh much easier as you think as somone who has never injected before.
i went up with the trest dose too 100mg a week, some days ago, and already get what i take as slight gyno flareup / estrogen symptoms despite ralox. the symptoms are slight but non permanent "stabs" or pinching sensations in my chest from time to time. not my nipple. my chest, like close to the nipples below the skin. my nipples are normal. is that what i think it is/something serious or may be not/something else? i think i will go back to 75 mg and kick up the mast. very soon i will throw in some epistane too. like in the last 4 weeks.
if i decide to get off... i still don't know if i need HCG or not to stay on. HCG is off limits for me as far as obtaining it. can someone comment on that? does it matter if i take HCG or not when i stay on?
the cycle goes pretty good even though it doesn't blow my socks off. everything is normal besides some bursts of anger, no sleeping or blood pressure problems. the mast didn't seem to really kick in yet or seems to be pretty meaningless..but i'm not on it for long, so it might not have kicked in
i gained about 4kg pretty quick on a deficit, like within 2-3 days of injecting. that's the water. i'm on a deficit and working very hard on my job like i said.and i stay at 94kg (90 is where instarted) i'm pretty sure i'm recomping and carrying 4kg of water though
my workouts consist of full body every other day but unlike natty i go harder and to failure and doing more sets like usual. i usually do sets of 5 until i fail. like 6-7 sets of 5 and failing on the last one. and doing a lot of sets of 12 for the small muscles every other day and lateral raises every day which i usually not do.
the negative thing is, i already destroyed 4 ampoules by accident. 3 because i had them in my back pocket and sat on them. 1 because i drew them up in a drawing syringe at exactly the 1ml, had a drawing syringe with exactly 1ml of mast in it and got them mixed up and to throw both away cause they both look and smell the same (clear liquid that smells like raw potatoes), so i will run out somewhere down the line more sooner than late
if i will stay on i will probably switch to test prop or test E, for ysome reason li like tbe idea of test prop better. injecting and injection volume doesn't bother me in the least, like all people who not do oral only and have a wrong idea will probably know, injecting is nothing. the descreptancy between reality and what i thought it would be is due to the needle going inside of the flesh much easier as you think as somone who has never injected before.
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Hyde
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Glad the pinning is going well; it’s almost always a mental barrier on some level for guys at some point.
If you are getting pains on the chest near the areola that is indeed glandular tissue forming, the beginnings of real gyno tissue. Back down the Trest, up the mast, up the Ralox if possible and maybe consider a bit more AI until things are under control.
They’re steroids, not magic, and if you are in a deficit you can’t expect tons of gains.
If you are getting pains on the chest near the areola that is indeed glandular tissue forming, the beginnings of real gyno tissue. Back down the Trest, up the mast, up the Ralox if possible and maybe consider a bit more AI until things are under control.
They’re steroids, not magic, and if you are in a deficit you can’t expect tons of gains.
Hyde
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Yeah for me all 19-nors crank prolactin fast.
300mg B6 or 100mg P5P dosed twice a day (so 600 or 200mg total, respectively) is a good cheap first line of attack.
gphagan1
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Yeah I’ve been fortunate that I never really had issues with 19-nors, but I always started taking Inhibit P about a month before a cycle, and really didn’t have to have much AI, if any, but I also know that is not normal for most.
That’s why I rarely give advice on 19-nors, and generally try to discourage others from using them. Only because I’ve seen so many guys have sides, including a couple of buddies that developed gyno, and one started to lactate. The one that lactated actually was taking Prami, but he was taking 300mg of Trest Ace a week, the other didn’t take anything and developed Gyno pretty quickly. Thankfully Ralox helped both, and neither one will touch 19-nors again. There’s so many good compounds out there, you really don’t need them.
Hyde
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No, but someone gave me a bunch of Trest Ace, and I was already sitting on a couple bottles, so it’s always in the back of my mind
I’ve only done a handful of preWO 15mg shots, probably 5 total last cycle. That stuff hits hard. Zero surprise guys were pinning a 6ml/wk and ended up with gyno; imagine being surprised about fighting gyno at 1,800mg of test e/wk. I have no idea where so many guys got the notion they should whack a full cc per day.
gphagan1
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LOL…The dude that upped it to 300 hit a best 550 lbs bench, and was training for a bench competition….I told him, “look at the bright side, in between benches you can run a tube from one of your nipples and get Trest milk in between benches. It’s probably a higher protein source with a little anabolic kick.”No, but someone gave me a bunch of Trest Ace, and I was already sitting on a couple bottles, so it’s always in the back of my mind
I’ve only done a handful of preWO 15mg shots, probably 5 total last cycle. That stuff hits hard. Zero surprise guys were pinning a 6ml/wk and ended up with gyno; imagine being surprised about fighting gyno at 1,800mg of test e/wk. I have no idea where so many guys got the notion they should whack a full cc per day.
Hyde
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LOL…The dude that upped it to 300 hit a best 550 lbs bench, and was training for a bench competition….I told him, “look at the bright side, in between benches you can run a tube from one of your nipples and get Trest milk in between benches. It’s probably a higher protein source with a little anabolic kick.”
I’m not saying it’s not going to be more effective, just that it’s going to be crazy to control for most. I’ve heard that Chris Duffin was allegedly using 100mg/day when he went to do his 1,000lb squat for reps stunt. 2CC every single day, again just allegedly.
SkRaw85
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LOL…The dude that upped it to 300 hit a best 550 lbs bench, and was training for a bench competition….I told him, “look at the bright side, in between benches you can run a tube from one of your nipples and get Trest milk in between benches. It’s probably a higher protein source with a little anabolic kick.”
I almost puked up my 5k calorie breakfast by the visual I got from this.
SkRaw85
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I’m not saying it’s not going to be more effective, just that it’s going to be crazy to control for most. I’ve heard that Chris Duffin was allegedly using 100mg/day when he went to do his 1,000lb squat for reps stunt. 2CC every single day, again just allegedly.
Some people just handle compounds like no other
Drunken Master
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i think i go back down with the trest and to 50mg or even less and kick up the masteron to 750mg or even more. thats probably more the cycle that i intended. i don't really like what the trest does with my mind. the females at work start looking differently. otherwise i'm married to a 35 year old 200 pound woman by the end of the cycle
do you think i should train more? can i make myself real sore every other day, or is it even on trest too much
and i'm actually on inhibit P the whole cycle
i take 60mg ralox right now should i kick it up to.120mg or will i get side effects from it?
but i feel that pinching in my chest only a few times a day, for a few moments, i think i'm going to be ok. i lowered the dose already and had no pinches today
what about staying on roids without hcg is it possible or not without becoming infertile. or with a reasonable chance of not becoming infertile? why does nobody sell that damn stuff
i only got an itty bitty pack of caber, that cost 80€, i think save that for more serious trouble
the odd thing is, i always got puffy nipples on sarm cycle and thought that would be a borderline gyno flareup, but now my nipples are like really flat and normal. that pinching crap is inside my chest
can i reuse drawing syringes?
can't i go to the doctor with my test at 50 right after the cycle before the serms kick in and demand hcg and testestorone?
do you think i should train more? can i make myself real sore every other day, or is it even on trest too much
and i'm actually on inhibit P the whole cycle
i take 60mg ralox right now should i kick it up to.120mg or will i get side effects from it?
but i feel that pinching in my chest only a few times a day, for a few moments, i think i'm going to be ok. i lowered the dose already and had no pinches today
what about staying on roids without hcg is it possible or not without becoming infertile. or with a reasonable chance of not becoming infertile? why does nobody sell that damn stuff
i only got an itty bitty pack of caber, that cost 80€, i think save that for more serious trouble
the odd thing is, i always got puffy nipples on sarm cycle and thought that would be a borderline gyno flareup, but now my nipples are like really flat and normal. that pinching crap is inside my chest
can i reuse drawing syringes?
can't i go to the doctor with my test at 50 right after the cycle before the serms kick in and demand hcg and testestorone?
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Hyde
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I would bump the Ralox to 120 for a week, drop the Trest down, and you should be alright with the bump in mast. I agree, let the mast do the work in this scenario. With the Trest on board for an estrogen base, you should be able to make good recomp gains with 800mg total/wk.
Don’t sweat the HCG, it’s just most ideal. It will probably be fine, and you are on the path already so just keep on keeping on.
Between Masteron and trestolone I’ll be amazed if you don’t bang multiple fat chicks by the end of the run, but it’s probably going to be awesome - bigger women generally try harder to please, so don’t knock it until you try it
Both compounds will make you a sexual tyrannosaurus.Drunken Master
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i don't know if my ralox is even real, it's UG Lab stuff, from a sketchy brand, i think it's sketchy at least. The non stop shilling of that brand, openly and probably half or more of the "reviews" seem kind of fishy to me. i have real turkish nolvadex though. do you think i should rather throw 10mg nolvadex in the mix in instead of more ralox
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Smont
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I don't believe he's in the US
Drunken Master
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i'm in germany, europe, unfortunately
cough cough hcg ...cough...
cough cough hcg ...cough...
Hyde
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120mg always works. If that isn’t working within about 5 days, try the Nolva.
Smont
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10mg of nolva will do nothing if gyno started forming, you need about 40mg a day untill it gets under control, I don't know if you can get it under control without stopping the trestolone tho.
Prolactin gyno is weird and far more annoying then estrogen induced gyno
Smont
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Mpmd fucked up a lot of ppl with the 60,60,30,30....... Protocol for gyno, even though those doses work for a lot of ppl, everyone thinks 90 or 120 is crazy because it's higher then what that dude says. A lot of ppl jump ship after 60 dosent work.
bad rad
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Drunken Master
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yup, i drive to poland, stop the first person, and ask...HCG jest, kurwa?
if my street connections in germany don't have it and the internet doesn't have it, the last place i can get it is a foreign country
some roid people i hit up here in germany didn't even know what hcg is.
Drunken Master
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hmm is it that serious i'm talking about a few slight pinches a day. they are not steady or anything and very far in between, they aren't strong or painful either, it's a very subtle sensation,that's the best description i can come up with in english
on 50mg trest i had nothing. on 100mg the pinching started coming in. now i go back to 35ish (0,1ml a day)
hmm prolactin induced gyno, do you think a few slight pinches are enough to be concerned and start taking caber? better safe then sorry?
the reason i'm talking about caber as if it's gold is because i got only one itty bitty "jar" or whatever of caber that cost about 80€ , i wasn't exactly planning on really running it, it's for an emergency. is this an emergency?
Drunken Master
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i think i'm going to add 20mg nolva in case the ralox is fake. or do you think 120mg ralox and 20mg Nolva is somehow dangerous side effect wise i have to work tomorrow. in case the ralox is real
Smont
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If I thought I was having prolactin problems I would not add caber, first I would remove the compound that's causing the prolactin problems. I wouldn't add more drugs to combat the side effects of other drugs in a situation like that. Now I know you and most other people are not willing to stop taking what's causing the problem so only you can answer the question of weather or not you should take caber, also, without bloodwork you won't know if it's estrogen or prolactin causing the problem.
Is it a emergency? Idk, it's not happening to me it's happening to you. I will say this tho, when trestolone gave me gyno, It started with itchy nips and I used exemestane and raloxefine to make that go away, I ended the cycle without any gyno symptoms and then after my cycle was over it came back and I have been dealing with it for 2 years now.
Once tissue starts forming it's permanent and only surgery will 100% get rid of it. Unfortunately you won't know if tissues forming until the tissue is big enough to feel it with your fingers.
So if I was you, and you don't want to stop taking the steroid that's causing the problem, at bare minimum I would get on 60mg-120mg of raloxefine or at least 40mg of nolvadex.
Anything that I say or anyone else here says is just a guess because we're not you, we can't feel your pain, we can't see what it looks like. All we can do is make guesses based of what you tell us
bad rad
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Poland, among other less stringent (Italy) EU countries, sell it OTC in pharmacies but you have it all figured out.
Drunken Master
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you mean i should take no trest at all?
the thing is my nipples never felt better, they are not puffy, pointy or anything its more subcutaneously pretty far away from the nipple, sometimes lower pec region, sometimes upper pec region. and it happens only very rarely throughout the day and it's not intense or anything
i've now taken
120mg raloxifene, 20mg nolva and 0,1ml trest which will be about 35mg a week. and ive taken a handful of inhibit p for good measure. if i feel pinches tommorrow, i drop the trest and continue with dermacrine or what
right now i feel nothing
Drunken Master
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so you can buy hcg in a polish pharmacy? are you sure or is this some type of stereotype? my best friend is polish. if that's true i have hcg within 48 hours
Smont
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I'm not sure what your describing, your saying your nipples feel fine, the space behind your nipples feels fine and you have a pain lower down on the pec muscle? That sounds like you strained a muscle.
Again, all we can do is guess.
Take a picture of your chest in the mirror and circle the spot where your feeling pain or use to feel pain.
Smont
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I was talking with a guy the other day who's in the industry of many of these things, (idk a better way to explain) but he was telling me how hcg is so fragile that by the time you get it there's a big possibility it's damaged and degraded, even from the pharmacy.
With that said, why are we adding more estrogen to a trest cycle? Hcg seems like a horrible idea
Drunken Master
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well it's not always in the same spot, the same side, or anything and it's definitly never in the nipple region. it's more than i'm at work or lay in bed and get a little pinch subcutaneously somewhere in the pec region, different spots. i don't think its in the muscle.
Smont
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I wasn't specifically asking you about why he's adding hcg, I just throw it in there so I didn't have to make a separate post.
You travel to Italy many times?
Smont
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Ya idk, I'm not sure what that is
bad rad
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Yes I have but it's been a few years. Probably heading back in the fall.
Drunken Master
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i'm pretty sure its trest/estrogen/prolactin/gyno/ related, otherwise it wouldn't be always in the pec region. but it's only slight and really nothing crazy. i think taking all the ancillaries i have at once or dropping the cycle or any other panic reaction would be too much. dropping trest down to 0,1ml a day (35mg) will probably do the trick, and i take a double dose of ralox and 20mg nolva for a few days for good measure until the trest levels in my system fade out a little. like 3-4 days.
100mg was a little too much. i wanted he dry compound to be the main factor anyway. i hope these fluctiations are not too much of a problem
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Drunken Master
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i will try the poland route, i mean having my best friend send his cousin in poland to a pharmacy shouldn't be a problem
but the shortage could be the reason no one got it, and no online shop got it. so maybe the polish pharmacy in whatever rural area my friend is from doesn't have it
but thanks for the idea, it could work.
Smont
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Nice, it's on my to do list. Most of my family has been there but not me. Before covid my cousin's went for 15 days and then I was supposed to go but covid fucked that up lol
Drunken Master
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i've seen legit bloodwork of a guy who lowered his prolacrin to healthy levels with inhibit p
Hyde
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Which contains P5P. There are human studies showing this.
Drunken Master
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do you think that's the only active ingredient that matters? P5P is cheaper and easier to obtain. it also has vitex agnus and mucuna puriensis. if P5P is the only that matters i might switch to straight P5P
Smont
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It's the most important ingredient in the product, but it is not the only thing that matters
Smont
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I missed this before.
There was no way the dry compound (masteron) was going to be the main factor in your cycle. 50mg of trest is going to have more power and more side effects then 500 mg of masteron.
If you ran the masteron at 500-600mg it would probably give a more favorable dht to estrogen ratio and lessen the side effects of trestolone, (probably, not gurenteed tho)