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Ive been on this one for over 2 months and enjoy it .. great stuff
Tell Us What You Would Like to See From SNS & CEL (2021 Edition)
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Ive been on this one for over 2 months and enjoy it .. great stuff
sns8778
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We already offer Betaine Anhydrous as a single ingredient product. I think a lot of people just don't realize it.
Above, we were just getting asked to do a larger size container of it, and we'll definitely consider it.
As a company, we're big on branded ingredients and use a lot of them, probably more than any other company our size. But I'm only a fan of them when they make sense - and what I mean by that is when there is special about the branded ingredient type. Some branded ingredients are branded ingredients because there are clinical studies. I can think of lots of examples. Other branded ingredients are branded ingredients and don't claim to be any different than their non-branded counterparts except they offer the simplicity and convenience that the company knows the exact quality and purity that they're getting from batch to batch. A great example is Cornerstone HICA - its no better than regular HICA and doesn't claim to be; the branded name just adds to branding recognition and supply chain credibility of consistency from batch to batch - in cases like this, the raw material price is usually the same or not much more than its non-branded counterpart. This is very beneficial for ingredients that have known quality issues in the supply chain.
However, in the case of Betaine Anhydrous, its not that expensive of an ingredient and there aren't any supply chain issues. It's very easy to source 99% pure Betaine Anhydrous that will test out at 99% pure Betaine Anhydrous. And in this case, the branded version the last I checked was over double the price of the non-branded version.
I hope that makes sense. I just wanted to explain why in this case, we don't use a branded version.
We make Betaine Anhydrous in a 100 gram size now:
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And I'm considering offering it in a 300 or 500 gram supply in the future.
sns8778
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I think this conversation about Betaine Anhydrous is a great example of how we offer so many products that a lot of them get overlooked, even by people that already love our brand and use a lot of our products.
I've known this was an issue for awhile and I've been trying to think of any promos, contests, or fun ways that we could bring more attention to the existing products like this that we already make. If anyone has any ideas, please let me know.
I've known this was an issue for awhile and I've been trying to think of any promos, contests, or fun ways that we could bring more attention to the existing products like this that we already make. If anyone has any ideas, please let me know.
ToxAF
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This! Absolutely! Too many benefits to mention!
sns8778
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Thank you. And no problem at all.
I definitely want to find some ways to showcase some of the existing products that we've had for a long time.
Hyde
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sns8778
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I appreciate the suggestion but that's a definite no-no in the eyes of the FDA.
The FDA has treated 6-OXO as a banned substance for a long time. Some people say that it isn't but the government sent had sent letters about it and made it part of criminal cases a long time ago.
You'll sometimes see people trying to make an argument on the forums or social media or wherever that it shouldn't be considered banned and I've even seen companies offer it and try to make an argument that it isn't or shouldn't be. It's a lot easier to make that argument on a forum or social media group than it would be to FDA agents coming to arrest someone over it.
The thing that a lot of people, and some companies, don't realize is that even if something is not specifically listed as being banned, the burden of proof now days would be on the company to prove that the compound was compliant and legal to begin with if challenged by the FDA on it, and it's not. Even back when it was readily available, the raw materials for it were synthetic and not DSHEA compliant and it wasn't sold as a supplement prior to DSHEA. Therefore, it would be considered a misbranded drug in the eyes of the FDA.
Also, back when it was more readily available, there were a few companies that were charged or threatened to be charged bc it contained trace amounts of good old regular andro, which is a scheduled substance.
For people looking for a good anti-estrogen, Inhibit-E is a great choice. It can be used to help modulate estrogen levels without crushing it and can be used on cycle, in PCT, along with HRT, or as a general use supplement for estrogen management. We have quite a few customers that are on HRT and the clinics they go through advise them to use it. So overall, I feel like its a much better option to begin with (bonus points for being legal haha).
sns8778
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Thank you. We should have it back in stock within a couple of weeks
L-Ornithine L-Aspartate is a great, very underrated supplement.
Kronic
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I was looking for 6-oxo for my HCG cycle. I'm already doing inhibit-e with it. I was hoping if I use inhibit-e and 6-oxo, I won't need to do aromasin. I'm thinking about adding inhibit-p though. I have the aromasin on hand but was hoping to not need it
sns8778
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Inhibit-P and Inhibit-E are a great stack.
In my post before, I had mentioned how some HRT clinics recommend people to use Inhibit-E and its the same for Inhibit-P. We hear from a lot of people that their clinic suggested Inhibit-P, especially as nandrolone becomes more commonly used in HRT.
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BigGame84
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Vaso6 in powder form.
Yes, pills are nice and probably more convenient for most but I'm currently using Vaso6 in powder form and really like the fact I can just mix it in with my pre-workout of choice. It's 600mg Vaso6 per scoop by the company I am using it from. Powder is red but mixes easy and seems like it doesn't have any taste.
Yes, pills are nice and probably more convenient for most but I'm currently using Vaso6 in powder form and really like the fact I can just mix it in with my pre-workout of choice. It's 600mg Vaso6 per scoop by the company I am using it from. Powder is red but mixes easy and seems like it doesn't have any taste.
sns8778
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I'm just going to be completely honest with you and tell you that if it doesn't have any taste, its not VASO6.
VASO6 I would consider to be more brown than red.
VASO6 is also one of the strongest tasting ingredients that there is. The taste is so strong that it makes flavoring products with it in there very challenging. That is one of the reasons that some brands choose not to use it because if they're going for the 'as good as Kool Aid' type flavor, you simply can't achieve that having VASO6 in there. That's one of the challenges with the updated Super Swole has been to get it to taste good.
You're welcome to pm me the brand if you'd like to discuss. I just don't want toto come off as putting anyone down publicly.
sns8778
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It should be out in January we hope but it won't be out by the end of 2021 bc we have too many things in front of it that are existing products that we're out of stock on that we have to focus on getting back in stock.
BigGame84
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It's brownish-red. I've never dry scooped it so I couldn't tell you the exact taste. All I know is I mix a scoop in with Focus XT and really can't taste it. I'll pm you the brand.
mase1
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This is true, almost mixability of green tea. Sits on top of liquid, sticks to mouth and teeth. If it's vaso6.
sns8778
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sns8778
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Raws are in, labels are done, and should be running soon finally
I'm going to be doing a tread later that is going to sum up ETA's and a lot of things going on. If you think about it, make sure to follow along please.
Oconns28
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Raws are in, labels are done, and should be running soon finally
I'm going to be doing a tread later that is going to sum up ETA's and a lot of things going on. If you think about it, make sure to follow along please.
Are you starting a 2022 thread? If you do can you please post the link in here
BillD
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I find this interesting as all of my SNS Vaso 6 pills where coated in red dusting. As if a pill leaked some powder. But it was most definitely red.
sns8778
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I am and I will. Just been an hours in the day type of thing. I'll do my best to get it done today.
sns8778
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I'm not sure what you're implying or questioning me on?
My reply to him was mainly about the taste. In that VASO6 has a very strong taste and that it is one of the hardest to flavor ingredients on the market. Right now for example, I'm on round 3 of the revised Super Swole formula samples and we cannot get the tastes right on it bc of the VASO6 content. It's difficult to flavor to the point where we've been considering replacing the VASO6 in Super Swole with something else so that we can hurry up and get the product back available.
As for the color, my only comment was - 'VASO6 I would consider to be more brown than red.'
If he or you considers it to be more red than brown, that's okay. My words were 'I consider it to be more brown than red' and also before posting this reply, I checked the VASO6 COA from the supplier just to see how they have it listed and they list it as brown as well with no mention of red on the one I just looked at. I don't see the color aspect of it being a big deal bc people's perceptions of color can vary.
But the taste is a big deal - VASO6 has a very strong taste.
As for the SNS VASO6 capsules, I would describe them as having a brownish tint to them (and if you want to describe it as a reddish tint, that's okay too haha). But no, its not from where a capsule came open. It's from where on the last batch, we switched from regular white gelatin capsules to white veggie caps and veggie caps stain worse than gelatin capsules do. Here's a walk through on that:
- Raw materials are mixed in a mixer and then encapsulated by machinery.
- During this process, the powder gets on the outside of the capsules as well.
- Some powder is sticky and sticks to the capsules; some doesn't.
- Some has color and stains the capsules; some doesn't.
- The finished capsules are then ran through the polisher which cleans the capsules. This is sometimes done immediately or sometimes may be done a few minutes to hours later or even days later; it just depends on the cm and their production schedule.
- VASO6, whether we want to call it red or brown, has a very dark color and is a sticky material (not super sticky but enough to stick to capsules).
- The texture of a gelatin capsule is shiny and slick and smooth.
- Veggie capsules are made from vegetable cellulose and on a microscopic level they aren't as smooth on the surface as gelatin capsules.
- A good analogy would be that gelatin capsules are like having a glass desk. You spill something, you just wipe it up and its gone. A veggie capsule would be like having a wood desk. You spill something, you can wipe it up but some of it may be down in the fine texture of the wood.
- So, that leads us to the last run of VASO6 capsules - where we switched from white gelatin capsules to white veggie capsules in an effort to make people happy.
- So, what happens is that the VASO6 is capsulated and some gets on the outside of the capsule. Being a veggie capsule, it was much more sticky and porous and the brown coloration stained the capsules themselves.
- Lesson learned. In the future we and the cm know that it has to be ran through the polisher right away if we use white veggie capsules &/or we may just use clear veggie caps instead of white.
^^^ The above explanation applies to much more than just VASO6. That is why you see many colored ingredients in clear capsules, especially when the brand uses Veggie capsules. A great example of this is Curcumin, which has a yellowish color. It will stain white capsules terribly, especially white Veggie capsules. That's why most highly standardized Curcumin capsules you see are in clear capsules. That happened with Liver Assist XT. We had it for years in regular white and red gelatin caps with no issues. We changed it over to Veggie caps and the first batch was stained yellow as could be. After that, we changed to clear capsules to avoid the issue on future runs.
ndiguy
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Steve, I *think* I've mentioned this in the past but cant recall exactly when.
I would LOVE to see an SNS take on the old Muscletech Gakic. It contained Glycine-l-arginine-alpha-ketoisocaproic acid calcium.
The taste of their powder offering was horrid (never tried the pill version), but it was on a whole different level in regard to muscular stamina and delaying fatigue. I remember how helpful it was during heavy squat sessions, being able to squeeze out a few more reps toward the end of the set(s), where I'd normally be at failure.
Upon further review, there's quite a few favorable clinical studies out there. I'd be interested in your thoughts, if this is something you'd be interested in.. Thanks!
I would LOVE to see an SNS take on the old Muscletech Gakic. It contained Glycine-l-arginine-alpha-ketoisocaproic acid calcium.
The taste of their powder offering was horrid (never tried the pill version), but it was on a whole different level in regard to muscular stamina and delaying fatigue. I remember how helpful it was during heavy squat sessions, being able to squeeze out a few more reps toward the end of the set(s), where I'd normally be at failure.
Upon further review, there's quite a few favorable clinical studies out there. I'd be interested in your thoughts, if this is something you'd be interested in.. Thanks!
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sns8778
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When that ingredient first came out, Muscletech claimed to have a patent on it and then I'd read that they themselves didn't have a patent on it but licensed it exclusively from a company that did. However, to my knowledge, no one could ever figure out who to license it from; so it was speculated that Muscletech basically created a company to have the patent so it appeared to be third party.
I tried to do a quick patent search and the patent that I came up with right off the bat seems to be abandoned/expired; but patents are complex and its easy to miss one when doing a patent search.
So basically, I'm not really sure if its legal to use it and if it would have to be licensed, I remember there being a situation where no one could figure out from whom.
I'd definitely be open to trying to source it but I'd need to make sure it was legal to use it and that it wouldn't be violating anyone's patents if so.
dcoen21
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I would recommend l-oritine l-aspartate I have seen those benefits from this great amino!!!
Rostam
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How does it taste?
AndroRage
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You still running PA mate? Think I read you were enjoying it? Looking to pick some up.
Thanks
ndiguy
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Yessir, bought enough for a 3 month run at the recommended dosage. Almost done with my second bottle. Biggest take away is the pumps in the gym. Hard to say if strength gains are present; I just got off PCT a few months ago, so naturally strength has dropped a little bit since getting off cycle. So far I’m enjoying PA, but it’s one of those supplements I’d need to get at the right price to justify. Still, one of the few non-hormonal products I’d recommend
ndiguy
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Thanks for the well thought out response. Greatly appreciate it. I'll try to do some research on my end as well, because it would be really cool to see on the market again.
Back in the day, I just told my buddies it was a non-stim preworkout (without being too specific on its effects). They both tried it and came to the same conclusion that it made pushing out additional reps during heavier sets noticeably easier. Pretty cool ingredient.
AndroRage
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Yessir, bought enough for a 3 month run at the recommended dosage. Almost done with my second bottle. Biggest take away is the pumps in the gym. Hard to say if strength gains are present; I just got off PCT a few months ago, so naturally strength has dropped a little bit since getting off cycle. So far I’m enjoying PA, but it’s one of those supplements I’d need to get at the right price to justify. Still, one of the few non-hormonal products I’d recommend
What dosing scheme are you following? I’ve been waiting for SNS but found HPN product I may try for time being
ndiguy
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That's the one I'm currently using as well, since I was able to get a decent deal on Black Friday.
I'm doing 5 caps a day, with no off-days (Even though they recommend 6 days per week, not 7).
Sometimes I'll do 6 caps, if its a preworkout dosage.
dcoen21
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I haven’t taken it straight up when I use, it’s added to a flavored eaa drink.
sns8778
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I don't think it has much of a taste. I mix it in things sometimes but I've also just popped a scoop in my mouth and washed it down with water.
L-Ornithine L-Aspartate is one of my favorite often overlooked SNS products.
https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/l-ornithine-l-aspartate/
Temporarily out of stock but we should have more back in within the next couple of weeks. And some of our retailers still have stock on it.
sns8778
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I agree. It's such an underrated and overlooked ingredient - great for performance and also liver health.
sns8778
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Thank you. Let me know if you come up with anything. I'm definitely open to it.
Also, as dcoen21 suggested, if you haven't tried L-Ornithine L-Aspartate, you may want to try that when we get it back in stock bc the results sound pretty much identical.
And even if we do find that the GAKIC ingredient is usable, they would still make a great stack.
Hyde
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What dosage did you use? Daily administration or just periWO?
dcoen21
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I dose three grams everyday on workout days before a workout and on off days just whenever, today I will try a dose in plain water and report back how it tastes.
Rostam
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I wasn’t aware you are selling it. Have to include it in my next order.
Rostam
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Is it Loenitine Laspartate dipeptide or a mix or ornitine and aspartate?
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mechka_grizli
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I would like to re-request a comprehensive shrooms supplement
