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Steve maybe I missed it in this thread but any chance you’d make a stand-alone Teacrine capsule? I may in the minority but I love the caffeine, teacrine, dynamine combo. Don’t need VasoForce Rush every day haha, but I’d dig that with my morning coffee.

Have a great Thanksgiving!
 
Steve maybe I missed it in this thread but any chance you’d make a stand-alone Teacrine capsule? I may in the minority but I love the caffeine, teacrine, dynamine combo. Don’t need VasoForce Rush every day haha, but I’d dig that with my morning coffee.

Have a great Thanksgiving!
 
slimsaw00 said:
Steve maybe I missed it in this thread but any chance you’d make a stand-alone Teacrine capsule? I may in the minority but I love the caffeine, teacrine, dynamine combo. Don’t need VasoForce Rush every day haha, but I’d dig that with my morning coffee.

Have a great Thanksgiving!
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I like TeaCrine and would be glad to if enough people are interested in one.

I had been considering doing a caffeine free stimulant product that had some energy ingredients in it like Dynamine and TeaCrine; something that could be taken with coffee, tea, energy drinks, etc. Basically stackable with the caffeine sources that many people already use and enjoy and don't want to give up.
 
Given my age (56) one thing I'm particularly concerned about is ARCD (age-related cognitive decline) - and one or a couple of products that would contribute to reducing risks in this area would be great.
 
mikem1062 said:
Given my age (56) one thing I'm particularly concerned about is ARCD (age-related cognitive decline) - and one or a couple of products that would contribute to reducing risks in this area would be great.
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If you don’t take creatine, start
 
Hyde said:
If you don’t take creatine, start
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I hadn't come across mention of creatine for ARCD - having looked now, I see what you mean. Thanks for the tip.

I am currently using SNS Creatine HCL - though with the sale on (and the creatine issues in the supply chain) - it might be good to stock up.
 
sns8778 said:
I like TeaCrine and would be glad to if enough people are interested in one.

I had been considering doing a caffeine free stimulant product that had some energy ingredients in it like Dynamine and TeaCrine; something that could be taken with coffee, tea, energy drinks, etc. Basically stackable with the caffeine sources that many people already use and enjoy and don't want to give up.
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I’m in!
 
slimsaw00 said:
I’m in!
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What would you like to see in it?

Dynamine
Teacrine
Maybe Eria

I have other ideas but I want to hear other people's opinions without giving my own.
 
sns8778 said:
What would you like to see in it?

Dynamine
Teacrine
Maybe Eria

I have other ideas but I want to hear other people's opinions without giving my own.
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Me personally I’d like Dynamine/Teacrine. I’m guessing that alone wouldn’t sell. I just like that combo and it would nice to add to my non training days when I have coffee in the morning.
 
slimsaw00 said:
Me personally I’d like Dynamine/Teacrine. I’m guessing that alone wouldn’t sell. I just like that combo and it would nice to add to my non training days when I have coffee in the morning.
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I'd be in for this too. I have never tried the caffeine/dynamine/teacrine combo but heard good things about it on another forum. Im all about general energy supplements and currently take Apollon Overtime at 3 caps which might be a bit overkill. Hordenine, which I love, would be something to add but that might still be on the naughty list.
 
sns8778 said:
What would you like to see in it?

Dynamine
Teacrine
Maybe Eria

I have other ideas but I want to hear other people's opinions without giving my own.
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Another vote for a dynamine and teacrine combo. I actually just ordered some of your dynamine to try out a couple days ago.
 
rodefeeh said:
I'd be in for this too. I have never tried the caffeine/dynamine/teacrine combo but heard good things about it on another forum. Im all about general energy supplements and currently take Apollon Overtime at 3 caps which might be a bit overkill. Hordenine, which I love, would be something to add but that might still be on the naughty list.
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Hordenine graduated from the advisory list to the FDA definitely considering it a new dietary ingredient that no one has (or will) file an NDI on. Basically, FDA considers it illegal, Amazon won't allow it, and some credit card processors will terminate your merchant account over it.

I like the ingredient myself but its definitely not a possibility.

I appreciate the suggestion though as it is a good ingredient.
 
Rostam said:
This and together or standalone. But in powder rather than capsules.
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Trust me - you don't want these 2 in powder form haha. They taste terrible.

If we did a capsule form, people could always dump the caps in powder if they wanted to, but it wouldn't sell well at all in powder form.
 
Resolve10 said:
I'd be down for just Teacrine/Dynamine. Anything extra would be bonus IMO.

Maybe EnXtra (or whatever the appropriate extract of that main ingredient)? I don't have any personal experience, but you probably know more than me, but it is touted as a caffeine amplifier.
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I like the concept and idea of EnXtra but there's really little to no feedback on it by itself. Most of the things I've seen it in are so stim loaded that it would be almost impossible to see if it worked by itself. And there are two problems that make it hard to want to just take a chance on it without knowing - its expensive and Omni is one of the hardest branded ingredient companies to work with.
 
So thus far it seems like people want TeaCrine and Dynamine together.

EnXtra as a possibility.
I like Eria but if no one wants that added, it can always be taken separately since we offer it in capsules.

Any other ideas?

Any dosage recommendations on TeaCrine/Dynamine combo?
 
Dang I didn’t think any people liked Teacrine and Dyanmine. VasoForce Rush was my intro to the combo and man it’s just long lasting!
 
sns8778 said:
So thus far it seems like people want TeaCrine and Dynamine together.

EnXtra as a possibility.
I like Eria but if no one wants that added, it can always be taken separately since we offer it in capsules.

Any other ideas?

Any dosage recommendations on TeaCrine/Dynamine combo?
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Whatever is in VF Rush! 😁
 
slimsaw00 said:
Dang I didn’t think any people liked Teacrine and Dyanmine. VasoForce Rush was my intro to the combo and man it’s just long lasting!
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I'm really glad that you like VasoForce Rush so much. It's an incredibly underrated product.

The energy to me is great. I think that many look at it and don't realize just how long lasting and great that it is.
 
slimsaw00 said:
Whatever is in VF Rush! 😁
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Got to remember though that that does have a caffeine combination in there of slow and fast release caffeine's so that does contribute to the effectiveness of VasoForce Rush.

Doing a capsule product solo, I'm thinking we'll likely dose close to that but maybe slightly different. We may try to go the route we did with Sleep Assist XT where we do a very versatile dose where people can find the right amount of capsules just for them.
 
sns8778 said:
Hordenine graduated from the advisory list to the FDA definitely considering it a new dietary ingredient that no one has (or will) file an NDI on. Basically, FDA considers it illegal, Amazon won't allow it, and some credit card processors will terminate your merchant account over it.

I like the ingredient myself but its definitely not a possibility.

I appreciate the suggestion though as it is a good ingredient.
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Apollon put Hordenine in the latest version of Overtime. That might be a splurge buy for me. But I would def buy the combo we’re suggesting.
 
rodefeeh said:
Apollon put Hordenine in the latest version of Overtime. That might be a splurge buy for me. But I would def buy the combo we’re suggesting.
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Apollon is pretty ballsy on a lot of the things they use in products anyway - crazy amounts of caffeine and some other ingredients on the FDA list. I actually like them, so don't take it negatively haha. I just mean that they take chances that I'd be too scared to take ourselves from a legal standpoint.

I'm getting more and more interested in the combo discussion going on here. I think we can make it happen.

Any dosage suggestions?
 
sns8778 said:
Got to remember though that that does have a caffeine combination in there of slow and fast release caffeine's so that does contribute to the effectiveness of VasoForce Rush.

Doing a capsule product solo, I'm thinking we'll likely dose close to that but maybe slightly different. We may try to go the route we did with Sleep Assist XT where we do a very versatile dose where people can find the right amount of capsules just for them.
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I like that approach and get that there are different types of caffeine in the product. Very underrated indeed!
 
I definitely would prefer just Teacrine/Dynamine combo, no Eria (because I can already add my SNS Eria caps if wanted).

I am a fan of the flexible dosing idea, so I don’t get stuck with an all or nothing blast. Maybe like a half serving sized capsule (so 2 caps is full serving and 3 caps is 150%)?

As mentioned, teacrine as a powder would be terrible to choke down; it needs to be capsules.
 
Hyde said:
I definitely would prefer just Teacrine/Dynamine combo, no Eria (because I can already add my SNS Eria caps if wanted).

I am a fan of the flexible dosing idea, so I don’t get stuck with an all or nothing blast. Maybe like a half serving sized capsule (so 2 caps is full serving and 3 caps is 150%)?

As mentioned, teacrine as a powder would be terrible to choke down; it needs to be capsules.
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I was thinking about something like:

Per 1 capsule:
150 mg. Dynamine
100 mg. Teacrine

or cut that in half to make it where can get half of that in one capsule and the full dose in 2 caps.

Some people would prefer 1 capsule dose but some would prefer versatility.
 
Chevymetal said:
Is there a solid date on Phosphatidic Acid XT yet?

Anxious to get my filthy hands on some.
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Probably January most likely.

The supply chain issues are pretty well known at this point and there are a lot of delays. And another factor is right now we've been having to focus on keeping existing items in stock or getting them back in stock.

I'm super excited about the new items too but we have to keep the existing ones in stock bc they're what pay for the new ones haha.
 
sns8778 said:
I was thinking about something like:

Per 1 capsule:
150 mg. Dynamine
100 mg. Teacrine

or cut that in half to make it where can get half of that in one capsule and the full dose in 2 caps.

Some people would prefer 1 capsule dose but some would prefer versatility.
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That dosage would be cool to me! 1 capsule is definitely the ultimate convenience.

What are people in here thinking? 1 capsule preference or 2? I would buy either way.
 
Kronic said:
has sns considered a standalone curcumin c3 with Piper? i see you have it in joint support xt
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I don't see us doing a standalone C3 with Bioperine bc there are a lot of them already available.

However, we will be launching our Elite Curcumin product that contains 3 different branded Curcumins in one product at the beginning of the year :)
 
sns8778 said:
I don't see us doing a standalone C3 with Bioperine bc there are a lot of them already available.

However, we will be launching our Elite Curcumin product that contains 3 different branded Curcumins in one product at the beginning of the year :)
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I'll be buying. im a Helios 100 fanboy but an oral would be nice.
 
sns8778 said:
So thus far it seems like people want TeaCrine and Dynamine together.

EnXtra as a possibility.
I like Eria but if no one wants that added, it can always be taken separately since we offer it in capsules.

Any other ideas?

Any dosage recommendations on TeaCrine/Dynamine combo?
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Hmmm, I guess I’ll be a naysayer here. I definitely feel there’s a lot of teacrine and Dynamine out there. A 50/50 micro cap would make a lot of sense for flexible dosing, but I’ve found bulk “tasteless” powder to be the best deal. I like 100-120mg Dynamine and only 50 mg teacrine.

If you’re going for an lite stim energy you could add some ginseng too
 
N2ofusion said:
Hmmm, I guess I’ll be a naysayer here. I definitely feel there’s a lot of teacrine and Dynamine out there. A 50/50 micro cap would make a lot of sense for flexible dosing, but I’ve found bulk “tasteless” powder to be the best deal. I like 100-120mg Dynamine and only 50 mg teacrine.

If you’re going for an lite stim energy you could add some ginseng too
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Naysaying is always welcome because its always good to have different perspectives.

I haven't seen many combination products at all with these two ingredients that don't have caffeine in them.

I think that's where people were going with this idea was a combination of them without caffeine so they could take them along with an energy drink, coffee, tea, a stim product, or whatever else. This idea was first mentioned way back in this thread and at the time I didn't think it would sell, but now I'm thinking that it may be feasible.

When you say 'tasteless', I'm assuming you mean the 40% TeaCrine and Dynamine powders. These are the versions formulated for powdered products and they are a 40% yield, meaning that you have to take 125 total mg. to provide an active 50 mg. The pure versions taste terrible and in my experience the 'tasteless' ones of the legit material definitely are not tasteless and I have a lot of experience with these ingredients. If someone is selling one of these and its truly 'tasteless', that would be a red flag to me personally.

Regardless though, we wouldn't do a non-flavored straight powder of these two because the FDA and insurance companies really frown upon bulk stim powders bc of possible risks associated with consumers accidentally messing up the dosage and taking too much.

The most recent study on these ingredients that I'm familiar with was:
125 mg. Caffeine
75 mg. Dynamine
50 mg. TeaCrine

That's where my dosage thought process was in considering the following as either a 1 or 2 capsule dose:
150 mg. Dynamine
100 mg. Teacrine

^^^ If we did it as 2 capsules, its the study dose per cap (minus the caffeine). If we did it as 1 capsule, we're at double the study dose and people have to take less capsules.
 
sns8778 said:
^^^ If we did it as 2 capsules, its the study dose per cap (minus the caffeine). If we did it as 1 capsule, we're at double the study dose and people have to take less capsules.
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I just wanted to chime some feedback in on this part. I know for me personally, I like having the flexibility of taking something requiring more pills especially when it comes to caffeine and other related products. I like to work my way up in a dosage and increase it in smaller amounts, this way it doesn't hit quit so hard at the start and I feel as though I can stretch out my body building its tolerance to a certain product. It's my one personal drawbacks with taking Thermagize, since it is a one pill and done there is no way easing into it. I typically have a 2-3 weeks of using other caffeine stand alones before Thermagize where as if it were 2 or 3 pills I could begin usage immediately.
 
Em3 said:
I just wanted to chime some feedback in on this part. I know for me personally, I like having the flexibility of taking something requiring more pills especially when it comes to caffeine and other related products. I like to work my way up in a dosage and increase it in smaller amounts, this way it doesn't hit quit so hard at the start and I feel as though I can stretch out my body building its tolerance to a certain product. It's my one personal drawbacks with taking Thermagize, since it is a one pill and done there is no way easing into it. I typically have a 2-3 weeks of using other caffeine stand alones before Thermagize where as if it were 2 or 3 pills I could begin usage immediately.
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I like the flexibility myself too but I also understand why some people do like higher dosages at less capsules.

For me, I take so many capsules per day that a couple more or couple less really doesn't matter one way or the other.

We made Thermagize XT with the crowd in mind that want the strongest possible product in a 1 capsule dose.

If you would like something like that with more of a multi-dose flexibility, you'll be very happy in the next couple of months :)
 
With all the dynamine/teacrine talk, I pulled the trigger on a bottle of Vasoforce Rush (along with my re-up of Joint Support XT). You know, for scientific research.

Great Black Friday sale!
 
sns8778 said:
I'm open to considering it but it isn't something that I hardly ever see anymore.

I will check with them and see what the current pricing is on it. At one time, it was insane.
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I believe this has always been the problem with sustamine. It’s not worth the price other companies are selling it (or trying to sell).
 
Hyde said:
With all the dynamine/teacrine talk, I pulled the trigger on a bottle of Vasoforce Rush (along with my re-up of Joint Support XT). You know, for scientific research.

Great Black Friday sale!
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Thank you.

Have you tried that before?

It is great for energy. I'm really surprised that it doesn't get more talk than it does as a pre-workout energizer or daily energizer.
 
Rostam said:
I believe this has always been the problem with sustamine. It’s not worth the price other companies are selling it (or trying to sell).
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I'll check on it next week and let you know. Unfortunately, with all the raw material increases bc of the supply chain, I would expect it to be as higher than ever.
 
sns8778 said:
Thank you.

Have you tried that before?

It is great for energy. I'm really surprised that it doesn't get more talk than it does as a pre-workout energizer or daily energizer.
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No I haven’t, but the profile is great and I like that I can customize the dosage quickly - I will probably only need 3 caps for many training days. Or even stack 2 caps with a scoop of Focus XT.

Plus sometimes I just don’t really want to mix up a powder or drink extra fluid, so this is a great portable option.
 
Hyde said:
No I haven’t, but the profile is great and I like that I can customize the dosage quickly - I will probably only need 3 caps for many training days. Or even stack 2 caps with a scoop of Focus XT.

Plus sometimes I just don’t really want to mix up a powder or drink extra fluid, so this is a great portable option.
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You’ll love VasoForce Rush!
 
Hyde said:
No I haven’t, but the profile is great and I like that I can customize the dosage quickly - I will probably only need 3 caps for many training days. Or even stack 2 caps with a scoop of Focus XT.

Plus sometimes I just don’t really want to mix up a powder or drink extra fluid, so this is a great portable option.
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I think and hope that you'll really enjoy it. Its a very underrated product in my opinion.

And I'm the same way - I really like the customizable dosing aspect of it and I do what you mentioned sometimes myself about taking 2 caps with a scoop of Focus XT.

I think we may do a powder form of it bc people are used to pre-workouts being in a powder, but the capsules are a huge convenience. I'm spoiled to them now. My schedule is so hectic and a lot of my workouts have always been fit them in when I can type of things and I remember many times having to mix something and wait for it to kick in whereas if I'd had capsules I could have taken them on the way to the gym or leaving a meeting or something like that.
 
sns8778 said:
I'll check on it next week and let you know. Unfortunately, with all the raw material increases bc of the supply chain, I would expect it to be as higher than ever.
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I appreciate that. Honestly if it’s much more expensive than a mixture of alanine and glutamine It’s not worth it in my opinion. And I think it will be. Ive never seen any product with more than 750mg of it and it seems the right dose is above 3g.
 
Personally the reason I like most of my supplements in powder is because of flexibility. I can chose the dose I want and mix them together. But I agree dome supplements can’t be in raw like berberine (For me this is the worst).

I’m okay with capsules also as long as there is no fillers and I can open them and mix it with my other stuffs. The filler of the capsules always stays on the top or at the bottom of the the mix and make it messy.
 
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