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Capped leucine or leucine included with the upcoming PA product?
not capped but if your ever just looking for bulk

SNS offers 500g ..currently on sale for $23.18 at DPS
 
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not capped but if your ever just looking for bulk

SNS offers 500g ..currently on sale for $23.18 at DPS
Yeah, leucine powder just doesn't taste good. Hence why I mentioned the caps or tabs.
 

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We haven't been asked for it a single time yet before this so I hadn't even thought about it.

If I remember correctly, there was one study on this that showed it more effective than Leucine but there are hundreds on Leucine. So, its not something I'd say I'm sold on myself, but if enough people wanted us to offer it, we would be glad to.
You may already have the profile set for the daily ergo but if not, this might be a nice addition
 
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Yeah, leucine powder just doesn't taste good. Hence why I mentioned the caps or tabs.
The problem with Leucine caps or tablets is just having to take so many of them to be effective bc of capsule constraints. For example, at 750 mg. Leucine per capsule, that would be 7 capsules to equal 1 scoop of the powder.

It would be a consideration though if enough people wanted it.
 
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You may already have the profile set for the daily ergo but if not, this might be a nice addition
The profile is pretty much set.

The battle that we face for a daily ergo is that they traditionally do not sell well. Hence why PES discontinued Ergonine. So we have to focus mostly on using ingredients that people are familiar with and most everyone would like to use daily.

So things that would add substantially to the cost that many people may not be familiar with or interested in aren't really good candidates for a project like this.

It's a challenging project to give people what they'll want/like, make it taste good, and I feel this is one its important to make it a full month supply so that makes it even harder to load it with ingredients.
 
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The problem with Leucine caps or tablets is just having to take so many of them to be effective bc of capsule constraints. For example, at 750 mg. Leucine per capsule, that would be 7 capsules to equal 1 scoop of the powder.

It would be a consideration though if enough people wanted it.
Yeah, that's too many caps.
 
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i havent done it in a while but used to throw leucine in focusXT and never thought it was that bad

for any powder .. you can throw in cit malate which will make it taste better imo

which is why you will see co throw in lil as 1G of cit malate just to help with taste
 
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Didn't even know you guys made a powder. More economical? Just started up some Cissus XT caps, joints have been getting creaky lately...
We do make the powder. I think a lot of people don't realize that for some reason. Actually, I think a lot of people don't realize a lot of the products that we make honestly.

The powder is a little more cost effective than the capsules; but the capsules of course offer the convenience of being a capsule, so its really just whatever works best for ones individual needs.

If you're having joint issues lately, Joint Support XT is also an excellent addition.
 
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A slight earthly taste. Barely noticeable, I take it every morning.
Yep I switched to the powder as well and it’s fine. Toss it in literally anything with flavor and you won’t even notice if you can’t handle it straight.
 

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What’s the difference between that and Vaso6? I just googled this, didn’t read much, but sounds like more or less the same thing.
It is an updated version and I was wondering if Vaso6 was going away as a result. I love Vaso6 and that’s why I was interested.
 
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SNS planning to make a stand-alone CellFlo6 supplement?
No. It is just VASO6 under a different name. See below.

What’s the difference between that and Vaso6? I just googled this, didn’t read much, but sounds like more or less the same thing.
There is no difference. It's just VASO6 under a different name.

It is an updated version and I was wondering if Vaso6 was going away as a result. I love Vaso6 and that’s why I was interested.
I try to stay away from industry drama and have refrained from speaking on this subject until now and I'm only going to say what I put in this one post so I won't be commenting or answering any further questions on this subject right now.

No, it is absolutely not an updated version of VASO6.

It's just VASO6 under a different name with a bit of a different sales pitch.

The people that are promoting it as an updated version of VASO6 have a vested interest in trying to hurt or take away sales from VASO6.

There is a lot going on behind the scenes in the industry related to this, but the patent holder of VASO6, Phoinix Holdings, has already put out several press releases on it.

There have been a couple of places that have already taken down articles/videos/info that they had put up promoting this ingredient as more facts come out on it and the situation.

The makers of this ingredient tried to say that VASO6 was going away and that was a 100% lie and really gave a lot of companies a negative impression of things.

It really sucks for some companies bc there are some companies that went out and spent thousands of dollars to redo labels to then find out that they were lied to and that VASO6 is still available.

I realize the obvious next question is why would someone originally involved in VASO6 want to hurt the sales on the ingredient - and I'll just say that remember - things aren't always what they seem and partnerships go bad, business agreements go bad, and people split and rename companies all the time. And money always splits better with lesser people involved.

With all that said, VASO6 is not going anywhere and I think its best that customers and companies let the people involved in the ownership of the patents handle the matter privately, in court, or wherever they feel it best; without gossiping or speculating on it (which is why I don't plan on speaking anymore on it myself). Basically, enjoy the results and let the companies handle the business side.

Some of this confusion was also contributed to by VASO6 no longer being distributed by Compound Solutions, but that's not uncommon in this industry. Places like Compound Solutions are suppliers of branded ingredients but don't own the intellectual property or patents; they just have distribution rights. As with most industries, its not uncommon for the companies that have the patents to change their suppliers for a variety of reasons. This may be the highest profile example in awhile on the sports side of things, but its not uncommon at all. Other examples - NextCBD/NextHemp changed from Compound Solutions to MayPro, Celery 3nB changed from a different supplier to MayPro, etc.

VASO6 is still available to companies to buy and use; the PO's for the materials just go through a different place now, not Compound Solutions.

I hope all of this makes sense.
 

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No. It is just VASO6 under a different name. See below.



There is no difference. It's just VASO6 under a different name.



I try to stay away from industry drama and have refrained from speaking on this subject until now and I'm only going to say what I put in this one post so I won't be commenting or answering any further questions on this subject right now.

No, it is absolutely not an updated version of VASO6.

It's just VASO6 under a different name with a bit of a different sales pitch.

The people that are promoting it as an updated version of VASO6 have a vested interest in trying to hurt or take away sales from VASO6.

There is a lot going on behind the scenes in the industry related to this, but the patent holder of VASO6, Phoinix Holdings, has already put out several press releases on it.

There have been a couple of places that have already taken down articles/videos/info that they had put up promoting this ingredient as more facts come out on it and the situation.

The makers of this ingredient tried to say that VASO6 was going away and that was a 100% lie and really gave a lot of companies a negative impression of things.

It really sucks for some companies bc there are some companies that went out and spent thousands of dollars to redo labels to then find out that they were lied to and that VASO6 is still available.

I realize the obvious next question is why would someone originally involved in VASO6 want to hurt the sales on the ingredient - and I'll just say that remember - things aren't always what they seem and partnerships go bad, business agreements go bad, and people split and rename companies all the time. And money always splits better with lesser people involved.

With all that said, VASO6 is not going anywhere and I think its best that customers and companies let the people involved in the ownership of the patents handle the matter privately, in court, or wherever they feel it best; without gossiping or speculating on it (which is why I don't plan on speaking anymore on it myself). Basically, enjoy the results and let the companies handle the business side.

Some of this confusion was also contributed to by VASO6 no longer being distributed by Compound Solutions, but that's not uncommon in this industry. Places like Compound Solutions are suppliers of branded ingredients but don't own the intellectual property or patents; they just have distribution rights. As with most industries, its not uncommon for the companies that have the patents to change their suppliers for a variety of reasons. This may be the highest profile example in awhile on the sports side of things, but its not uncommon at all. Other examples - NextCBD/NextHemp changed from Compound Solutions to MayPro, Celery 3nB changed from a different supplier to MayPro, etc.

VASO6 is still available to companies to buy and use; the PO's for the materials just go through a different place now, not Compound Solutions.

I hope all of this makes sense.
Hi Steve,

I'm sorry I didn’t see your previous reply to my question asking about it. Thank you for clarifying! I’ll be happy to continue buying SNS Vaso6. Thanks for your time.
 
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Hi Steve,

I'm sorry I didn’t see your previous reply to my question asking about it. Thank you for clarifying! I’ll be happy to continue buying SNS Vaso6. Thanks for your time.
It's no problem at all.

VASO6 is a great ingredient. I understand from the companies and partnership perspectives that things happen - I just wish it hadn't/wasn't being handled in a way to intentionally deceive customers and companies.
 

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It's no problem at all.

VASO6 is a great ingredient. I understand from the companies and partnership perspectives that things happen - I just wish it hadn't/wasn't being handled in a way to intentionally deceive customers and companies.
I was definitely buying into the hype.
 

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Something I would be very interested in would be an anti-neuropathy/nerve healing supplement blend. Evomuse used to have a very good product Nerve Restore, but there really isn't anything comparable available presently.
 
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Something I would be very interested in would be an anti-neuropathy/nerve healing supplement blend. Evomuse used to have a very good product Nerve Restore, but there really isn't anything comparable available presently.
I looked into this awhile back and would be glad to look into it more.

I had never looked into the Evomuse one and had never even heard of that product in the past. At first glance, my initial impression is that a company should never use the words healing and restore in terms of nerve damage because that's making some potential claims that even prescriptions and surgery cannot do in some cases so would be a huge red flag from an FDA perspective.

If it worked as well as they say, I'm surprised it didn't stick around.
 

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I looked into this awhile back and would be glad to look into it more.

I had never looked into the Evomuse one and had never even heard of that product in the past. At first glance, my initial impression is that a company should never use the words healing and restore in terms of nerve damage because that's making some potential claims that even prescriptions and surgery cannot do in some cases so would be a huge red flag from an FDA perspective.

If it worked as well as they say, I'm surprised it didn't stick around.
I don't think lack of effectiveness was necessarily the issue, I think it was more of a lack of available funds that caused it to not remain regularly stocked.
 

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I’m getting ready to pull trigger on Anabolic Effect…was holding out for Recomp20 or new SNS Anaboljc…are either close to dropping or should I just grab the AE?
 
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I don't think lack of effectiveness was necessarily the issue, I think it was more of a lack of available funds that caused it to not remain regularly stocked.
I know that they run into that sometimes. I wasn't meaning specifically them though; just meant if the ingredients themselves worked that well for the issue, I'm surprised other companies hadn't came out with something close. Meaning on the general health side of things.

I made myself a note to look into this category of ingredients more.
 
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I’m getting ready to pull trigger on Anabolic Effect…was holding out for Recomp20 or new SNS Anaboljc…are either close to dropping or should I just grab the AE?
Go ahead with Anabolic Effect for now. We do hope they'll be out soon but right now, the nature of this industry is just unforeseen delays.
 
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It's no problem at all.

VASO6 is a great ingredient. I understand from the companies and partnership perspectives that things happen - I just wish it hadn't/wasn't being handled in a way to intentionally deceive customers and companies.
Wow, this whole thing sounds like a cluster. Guess it all comes down to money in the end...?
 
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Wow, this whole thing sounds like a cluster. Guess it all comes down to money in the end...?
I don't like to speculate but I think most business fall outs and disagreements tend to come down to that.

I think that its just sad overall when things like this happen. To me, issues like this and battles like this between companies and partners should be handled in private. If everyone wants to go their separate ways, cool; but don't bash each others ingredient(s), especially when its really pretty much the same ingredient. Just be professional, compete, do what you have to do, etc. but don't intentionally mislead consumers and/or brands about what's going on.

This isn't the first time something like this has happened, its just the most public example of I know of of it happening and it seems to have been made that way by whatever parties were ultimately responsible for spreading the lies about VASO6 not being available anymore.

Here is a link to a press release Phoinix Holdings, the company that owns the rights to VASO6 back in August on the matter:


From a customer standpoint, I would encourage everyone to continue to enjoy VASO6 and let the companies/people/owners fight their battles out amongst themselves.
 
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Is ReduceXT discontinued? It’s out of stock everywhere I’ve looked.
It just came back in stock and we have it listed available for order on the site now.

And we are shipping to retailers today &/or whenever they get their orders in.
 
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Sleep Assist XT is now available with a limited time intro sale:

 
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The formula is done but we don't have a concrete ETA because we have so many products in front of it at the moment. I would like to say Dec/Jan I hope.

I'm sorry to hear about the cholesterol results.
Searched for Cholesterol and was happy to find this. I have been taking NOW Cholesterol Pro. Eager to see what is in Cholesterol Assist.
 
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Searched for Cholesterol and was happy to find this. I have been taking NOW Cholesterol Pro. Eager to see what is in Cholesterol Assist.
Thank you. I'm thinking we're going to name it Cholesterol Support XT. The labels should be being finalized within the next week to go to print. It will be a very loaded formula.
 
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I'm really surprised that Sleep Assist XT hasn't gotten more attention and interest:


We had a lot of people asking for a sleep formula for quite some time. And Sleep Assist XT is one where a lot of the greatness is in the details of the types of standardizations that we use.
You can believe I will be trying it. Just need another month or two so the Baby will sleep through the whole night.
 
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You can believe I will be trying it. Just need another month or two so the Baby will sleep through the whole night.
I hope you'll like it. It's a great formula with a lot of attention paid to the details of the standardizations of everything.
 

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I'm really surprised that Sleep Assist XT hasn't gotten more attention and interest:


We had a lot of people asking for a sleep formula for quite some time. And Sleep Assist XT is one where a lot of the greatness is in the details of the types of standardizations that we use.
I will be buying a few bottles really soon. Just need to use up the sleep supplements I already have. The formula looks great. I will probably full dose it because I really like sleep.
 

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I will be buying a few bottles really soon. Just need to use up the sleep supplements I already have. The formula looks great. I will probably full dose it because I really like sleep.
I hope that you'll like it and look forward to hearing your feedback.

I've found that a half dose works great for me. I may try upping it to 3 caps next week and see how I like it, but I don't get many hours of sleep so so far for me, 2 caps has been the good spot of great sleep without being drowsy in the mornings from it.
 
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I have ordered a bottle to try it out. I'll see how it treats me.
Cool. I look forward to seeing how you like it.

If you don't mind, post some feedback in the thread for it if you like it.
 

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Cool. I look forward to seeing how you like it.

If you don't mind, post some feedback in the thread for it if you like it.
Any preview of what the BF sale will be? Looking to stock up on Sleep XT, Blood Pressure and Optimize-T
 
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Any preview of what the BF sale will be? Looking to stock up on Sleep XT, Blood Pressure and Optimize-T
I just put the code live, it'll just be later today before I get banners up. The code is blackfriday and it'll save 30% off.
 
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is there any possibility for a product with creatine nitrate?or blend (mono-nitrate creatine)
 

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Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a different take on the typical caffeine/l-theanine product and instead use caffeine/taurine. I feel like taurine does a much better job of taking the edge off of caffeine (great for calming tremors/jitteriness). Something dosed around 50 mg of caffeine with 500 mg of taurine (per capsule) would be great. That would put it in the range of many energy drinks (like redbull, monster, etc.) that have 100-200 mg of caffeine with 1,000-2,000 mg of taurine.
 
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Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a different take on the typical caffeine/l-theanine product and instead use caffeine/taurine. I feel like taurine does a much better job of taking the edge off of caffeine (great for calming tremors/jitteriness). Something dosed around 50 mg of caffeine with 500 mg of taurine (per capsule) would be great. That would put it in the range of many energy drinks (like redbull, monster, etc.) that have 100-200 mg of caffeine with 1,000-2,000 mg of taurine.
my thoughts on this .. im a here and there energy drinker too .. and i do prefer low caffine too .. but very hard to find .. and wont sell much

SNS does offer caffine in a pill - 501caps for $30 before sale ( last you couple years lol ), its at 200mg which was requested and studied the most ..also offers bulk taurine

as for a pill - iono if that combo can be done in one pill .. and i doubt SNS would make bulk caffine powder.


check out focus XT .. maybe half scoop will give you what you are looking for ^ even with this 125mg of dose, weve been asked to dose more .. but alot love it where it is, even the ones who arent into stim find perfect blend.
 

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my thoughts on this .. im a here and there energy drinker too .. and i do prefer low caffine too .. but very hard to find .. and wont sell much

SNS does offer caffine in a pill - 501caps for $30 before sale ( last you couple years lol ), its at 200mg which was requested and studied the most ..also offers bulk taurine

as for a pill - iono if that combo can be done in one pill .. and i doubt SNS would make bulk caffine powder.


check out focus XT .. maybe half scoop will give you what you are looking for ^ even with this 125mg of dose, weve been asked to dose more .. but alot love it where it is, even the ones who arent into stim find perfect blend.
That's a good idea. I'm just really lazy and wouldn't mind a single product with everything I want in it. :)

With regard to Focus XT, I have tried that in the past. While it's a great formula, for me it contains too many ingredients which increase acetylcholine levels (which increases my depression a lot). After a day or two of dosing the lethargy and depression is just too much to handle.
 
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is there any possibility for a product with creatine nitrate?or blend (mono-nitrate creatine)
ive spoken with steve on this .. this stupid panedemic pushed alot of stuff back .,. but i know before he was working on a great creatine mix ( cant say what/is in it ..but knowing him, know its gonna be great )

im more fan of MCC + HCL combo .. but cant argue against mono :)

thats my bulk SNS creatine stack ..and blue rasp HCL is pretty delicious
 

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