slimsaw00
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It is an updated version and I was wondering if Vaso6 was going away as a result. I love Vaso6 and that’s why I was interested.
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It is an updated version and I was wondering if Vaso6 was going away as a result. I love Vaso6 and that’s why I was interested.
sns8778
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No. It is just VASO6 under a different name. See below.
There is no difference. It's just VASO6 under a different name.
I try to stay away from industry drama and have refrained from speaking on this subject until now and I'm only going to say what I put in this one post so I won't be commenting or answering any further questions on this subject right now.
No, it is absolutely not an updated version of VASO6.
It's just VASO6 under a different name with a bit of a different sales pitch.
The people that are promoting it as an updated version of VASO6 have a vested interest in trying to hurt or take away sales from VASO6.
There is a lot going on behind the scenes in the industry related to this, but the patent holder of VASO6, Phoinix Holdings, has already put out several press releases on it.
There have been a couple of places that have already taken down articles/videos/info that they had put up promoting this ingredient as more facts come out on it and the situation.
The makers of this ingredient tried to say that VASO6 was going away and that was a 100% lie and really gave a lot of companies a negative impression of things.
It really sucks for some companies bc there are some companies that went out and spent thousands of dollars to redo labels to then find out that they were lied to and that VASO6 is still available.
I realize the obvious next question is why would someone originally involved in VASO6 want to hurt the sales on the ingredient - and I'll just say that remember - things aren't always what they seem and partnerships go bad, business agreements go bad, and people split and rename companies all the time. And money always splits better with lesser people involved.
With all that said, VASO6 is not going anywhere and I think its best that customers and companies let the people involved in the ownership of the patents handle the matter privately, in court, or wherever they feel it best; without gossiping or speculating on it (which is why I don't plan on speaking anymore on it myself). Basically, enjoy the results and let the companies handle the business side.
Some of this confusion was also contributed to by VASO6 no longer being distributed by Compound Solutions, but that's not uncommon in this industry. Places like Compound Solutions are suppliers of branded ingredients but don't own the intellectual property or patents; they just have distribution rights. As with most industries, its not uncommon for the companies that have the patents to change their suppliers for a variety of reasons. This may be the highest profile example in awhile on the sports side of things, but its not uncommon at all. Other examples - NextCBD/NextHemp changed from Compound Solutions to MayPro, Celery 3nB changed from a different supplier to MayPro, etc.
VASO6 is still available to companies to buy and use; the PO's for the materials just go through a different place now, not Compound Solutions.
I hope all of this makes sense.
slimsaw00
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Hi Steve,
I'm sorry I didn’t see your previous reply to my question asking about it. Thank you for clarifying! I’ll be happy to continue buying SNS Vaso6. Thanks for your time.
sns8778
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It's no problem at all.
VASO6 is a great ingredient. I understand from the companies and partnership perspectives that things happen - I just wish it hadn't/wasn't being handled in a way to intentionally deceive customers and companies.
slimsaw00
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I was definitely buying into the hype.
max silver
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Something I would be very interested in would be an anti-neuropathy/nerve healing supplement blend. Evomuse used to have a very good product Nerve Restore, but there really isn't anything comparable available presently.
sns8778
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I looked into this awhile back and would be glad to look into it more.
I had never looked into the Evomuse one and had never even heard of that product in the past. At first glance, my initial impression is that a company should never use the words healing and restore in terms of nerve damage because that's making some potential claims that even prescriptions and surgery cannot do in some cases so would be a huge red flag from an FDA perspective.
If it worked as well as they say, I'm surprised it didn't stick around.
max silver
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I don't think lack of effectiveness was necessarily the issue, I think it was more of a lack of available funds that caused it to not remain regularly stocked.
sns8778
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I know that they run into that sometimes. I wasn't meaning specifically them though; just meant if the ingredients themselves worked that well for the issue, I'm surprised other companies hadn't came out with something close. Meaning on the general health side of things.
I made myself a note to look into this category of ingredients more.
sns8778
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Go ahead with Anabolic Effect for now. We do hope they'll be out soon but right now, the nature of this industry is just unforeseen delays.
Segansational
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Wow, this whole thing sounds like a cluster. Guess it all comes down to money in the end...?
sns8778
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I don't like to speculate but I think most business fall outs and disagreements tend to come down to that.
I think that its just sad overall when things like this happen. To me, issues like this and battles like this between companies and partners should be handled in private. If everyone wants to go their separate ways, cool; but don't bash each others ingredient(s), especially when its really pretty much the same ingredient. Just be professional, compete, do what you have to do, etc. but don't intentionally mislead consumers and/or brands about what's going on.
This isn't the first time something like this has happened, its just the most public example of I know of of it happening and it seems to have been made that way by whatever parties were ultimately responsible for spreading the lies about VASO6 not being available anymore.
Here is a link to a press release Phoinix Holdings, the company that owns the rights to VASO6 back in August on the matter:
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From a customer standpoint, I would encourage everyone to continue to enjoy VASO6 and let the companies/people/owners fight their battles out amongst themselves.
GQdaLEGEND
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responded to your thread and found a great store that has it for good price..
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sns8778
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It just came back in stock and we have it listed available for order on the site now.
And we are shipping to retailers today &/or whenever they get their orders in.
rodefeeh
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Searched for Cholesterol and was happy to find this. I have been taking NOW Cholesterol Pro. Eager to see what is in Cholesterol Assist.
sns8778
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Thank you. I'm thinking we're going to name it Cholesterol Support XT. The labels should be being finalized within the next week to go to print. It will be a very loaded formula.
sns8778
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I'm really surprised that Sleep Assist XT hasn't gotten more attention and interest:
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We had a lot of people asking for a sleep formula for quite some time. And Sleep Assist XT is one where a lot of the greatness is in the details of the types of standardizations that we use.
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We had a lot of people asking for a sleep formula for quite some time. And Sleep Assist XT is one where a lot of the greatness is in the details of the types of standardizations that we use.
kjscatch
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You can believe I will be trying it. Just need another month or two so the Baby will sleep through the whole night.
sns8778
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I hope you'll like it. It's a great formula with a lot of attention paid to the details of the standardizations of everything.
determination
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I will be buying a few bottles really soon. Just need to use up the sleep supplements I already have. The formula looks great. I will probably full dose it because I really like sleep.
ToDie4Test
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I'm waiting for a Black Friday code so I can place a large order.
robshef
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I have ordered a bottle to try it out. I'll see how it treats me.
sns8778
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I hope that you'll like it and look forward to hearing your feedback.
I've found that a half dose works great for me. I may try upping it to 3 caps next week and see how I like it, but I don't get many hours of sleep so so far for me, 2 caps has been the good spot of great sleep without being drowsy in the mornings from it.
sns8778
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Cool. I look forward to seeing how you like it.
If you don't mind, post some feedback in the thread for it if you like it.
ToDie4Test
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Any preview of what the BF sale will be? Looking to stock up on Sleep XT, Blood Pressure and Optimize-T
sns8778
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I just put the code live, it'll just be later today before I get banners up. The code is blackfriday and it'll save 30% off.
jarrellt67
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Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a different take on the typical caffeine/l-theanine product and instead use caffeine/taurine. I feel like taurine does a much better job of taking the edge off of caffeine (great for calming tremors/jitteriness). Something dosed around 50 mg of caffeine with 500 mg of taurine (per capsule) would be great. That would put it in the range of many energy drinks (like redbull, monster, etc.) that have 100-200 mg of caffeine with 1,000-2,000 mg of taurine.
GQdaLEGEND
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my thoughts on this .. im a here and there energy drinker too .. and i do prefer low caffine too .. but very hard to find .. and wont sell much
SNS does offer caffine in a pill - 501caps for $30 before sale ( last you couple years lol ), its at 200mg which was requested and studied the most ..also offers bulk taurine
as for a pill - iono if that combo can be done in one pill .. and i doubt SNS would make bulk caffine powder.
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check out focus XT .. maybe half scoop will give you what you are looking for ^ even with this 125mg of dose, weve been asked to dose more .. but alot love it where it is, even the ones who arent into stim find perfect blend.
jarrellt67
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That's a good idea. I'm just really lazy and wouldn't mind a single product with everything I want in it.
With regard to Focus XT, I have tried that in the past. While it's a great formula, for me it contains too many ingredients which increase acetylcholine levels (which increases my depression a lot). After a day or two of dosing the lethargy and depression is just too much to handle.
GQdaLEGEND
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ive spoken with steve on this .. this stupid panedemic pushed alot of stuff back .,. but i know before he was working on a great creatine mix ( cant say what/is in it ..but knowing him, know its gonna be great )
im more fan of MCC + HCL combo .. but cant argue against mono
thats my bulk SNS creatine stack ..and blue rasp HCL is pretty delicious
GQdaLEGEND
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ohh i hear ya brother .. we all want that one product to take .. im sure even the owner of a top brand co wants it but have to think of others lolThat's a good idea. I'm just really lazy and wouldn't mind a single product with everything I want in it.
With regard to Focus XT, I have tried that in the past. While it's a great formula, for me it contains too many ingredients which increase acetylcholine levels (which increases my depression a lot). After a day or two of dosing the lethargy and depression is just too much to handle.
damn yea thats tough to overcome, i dont think you can even find that low dose of caffine
have you tried just caffine pills alone ? curious if you did and at what dose worked for you .. if you can handle 200mg .. then bulk SNS w/ your bulk taurine might be the best way to go .. maybe throw taurine in your fav juice
jarrellt67
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The dose I can handle really depends on what else is included in the product. If it's just caffeine pills alone, then about 100 mg is the most. If it's mixed with taurine, then around 200 mg.
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sns8778
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No, there isn't.
Creatine Nitrate is owned by Ron Kramer and he only licenses it out to larger companies.
sns8778
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I like the combination but fear that it wouldn't sell very well honestly.
I was going to suggest Focus XT but then read your reply in future posts. A possible suggestion there - would be to take 1/2 serving of Focus XT if you're ever interested in trying it again.
sns8778
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I was going to suggest Focus XT as well before I saw his response to you and hadn't read all of yours yet. Good thought on the half scoop of Focus XT.
As for Caffeine Powder, no, there's no way we would ever offer that.
I've considered doing what some people have suggested in this thread of doing an energy product but without caffeine - that way people could take it with their coffee, tea, or energy drink of choice. When first mentioned, I didn't think it would sell well - and I still don't think it would sell great; but I think it could possibly be a good niche product.
sns8778
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That's a good idea. I'm just really lazy and wouldn't mind a single product with everything I want in it.
With regard to Focus XT, I have tried that in the past. While it's a great formula, for me it contains too many ingredients which increase acetylcholine levels (which increases my depression a lot). After a day or two of dosing the lethargy and depression is just too much to handle.
I had mentioned this in another post but if you have any Focus XT left, you may consider trying it at a half dose per day and see how you like it.
I'm right there with you - I wish I could find a product with everything I like in it myself haha.
sns8778
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ive spoken with steve on this .. this stupid panedemic pushed alot of stuff back .,. but i know before he was working on a great creatine mix ( cant say what/is in it ..but knowing him, know its gonna be great )
im more fan of MCC + HCL combo .. but cant argue against mono
thats my bulk SNS creatine stack ..and blue rasp HCL is pretty delicious
He had asked about a creatine nitrate or nitrate mono blend I believe - and there has never been a consideration of a Creatine Nitrate. I just wanted to make that very clear to anyone reading that we never discussed anything with Creatine Nitrate in it and that I think you misunderstood what he wrote and were thinking of my and your conversations about a Creatine product that contained different forms of Creatine in general.
I like Magnesium Creatine Chelate and Creatine HCI myself.
Right now, Creatine is in a shortage overall and the raw material prices are higher than ever before. Most companies literally cannot get it - at any price. So there is no thought on doing much of anything with Creatine in the near future - its an ongoing challenge just to not run out of stock on what we do have.
And on that note - anyone that likes the Magnesium Creatine Chelate probably should get it while they can. Once we run out, I'm not sure when we will have it back in stock because its a patented ingredient by Albion and they have no stock and don't even have an ETA for when they can have more in. It could literally be months before they have anymore.
AdelV
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Just been waiting for the libido product, it's about all that interests me.
I have multiple sex partners, and I'm in my 30s. Most the women are 10 years younger, so I feel pressure to keep my sex drive high.
I'm considering Finasteride again, and last time that destoryed my volume.
I have multiple sex partners, and I'm in my 30s. Most the women are 10 years younger, so I feel pressure to keep my sex drive high.
I'm considering Finasteride again, and last time that destoryed my volume.
sns8778
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A lot of people love stacking M-Test and Anabolic Effect. We are unfortunately out of stock of Anabolic Effect, but DPS has a great price on it for their Black Friday Deals.
Optimize-T is newer and people are loving it but it hasn't been out long enough for many people to run long cycles of it with Anabolic Effect yet.
I use M-Test year as a year round supplement and have for a long time. I just recently added in Optimize-T with it and its a great stack. I'll be running both for my next Anabolic Effect cycle which I hope as soon as I can get my training back consistent.
sns8778
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You should look at the Optimize-T thread for libido feedback.
The feedback on libido with it has been great + a lot of other things.
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We will be bringing out a Libido Boost XT product in the next few months, but there will be quite a bit of overlap with that and Optimize-T bc the ingredients in Optimize-T do such a great job for libido support.
Madevilz
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thanks, Im currently taking ND’s 10% Tongkat Ali 100mg/day, would stacking it with either Mtest or Optimize T overkill?
sns8778
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We use the Bionutricia clinically researched Tongkat Ali extract in Optimize-T so you wouldn't need to stack them together.
(I'm not saying you couldn't stack them together but you wouldn't need to).
You could also take what you are with M-Test but I don't think you'd need to.
When it comes to Tongkat, something to keep in mind is that 10% doesn't mean better.
I always prefer to use branded ingredient extracts in our products when possible and when it makes sense because of supply chain transparency and accountability and batch to batch consistency and also bc many times they have clinical backing to them. In the case of Optimize-T, we use the clinically researched Bionutricia extract that is std. to a min 2% Eurycomanones. We have gotten great feedback on this and there are a couple common side effects associated with the 10% type that people don't experience with the Bionutricia extract, so I'm very happy with our choice for Optimize-T.
Madevilz
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thanks, just ordered 3 bottles of Optimize T, super excited to try it out, stellar formula for sure. Gonna keep the 10% tongkat for later.
Ive noticed that the bottle says to take it with a meal, but if taken preworkout to benefit from the S7, can I dose it on an empty stomach?
sns8778
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It can be taken on an empty stomach or with food, no problem at all.
I really hope and think you'll enjoy it. I look forward to your feedback.