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Knew your mind wouldn’t want to process those. Glad you agree with the rest of the post tho.
You still haven't confirmed you understand how thrusters can work in space. Until you confirm you have understood how they do work, I'm not going to waste either of our time on these topics. Peace. ;)
 
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several families who showed up for the execution of their family member had their vehicles and hotel rooms vandalized...how about the nun who organized protests against executions at the prison who had foul language and threats shouted at her, and then her office spray painted with obscene gestures.
 
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several families who showed up for the execution of their family member had their vehicles and hotel rooms vandalized...how about the nun who organized protests against executions at the prison who had foul language and threats shouted at her, and then her office spray painted with obscene gestures.
What about the droid attack on the Wookies? It's so irrelevant to the topic. You're justifying one bad deed with other bad deeds? Rush was a POS. No question about it. He spent decades spouting hate and vitriol, and preached others to do the same. He never came close to publicly admitting wrongdoing or making amends, and never attempted to try to undo the hate he spread for decades to many other people.

If I have sympathy for his family for ANYTHING, it's that they had the misfortune of having Rush as a regular part of lives.
 
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Unlike you or I, people who live largely private lives, Rush was on a NATIONAL PLATFORM for DECADES spewing hate and malice, cheering the deaths of people who died of diseases, people who also had mourning families I will remind you. Even if he did attempt to make amends with people in private, when you spewed hate and encouraged others to hate for decades, you have an obligation to publicly declare the error of your public ways.

Also, my dad, who has 39 years clean in AA/NA, just said that Rush was a POS who never attempted to make public amends for the public hate he spewed for decades. He also wants me to ask you about the wording of you having "WORKED" the 12 step program. You're finished with it?
tell your dad to come on AM and send me a pm, i would love to talk with him privately.
 
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What about the droid attack on the Wookies? It's so irrelevant to the topic. You're justifying one bad deed with other bad deeds? Rush was a POS. No question about it. He spent decades spouting hate and vitriol, and preached others to do the same. He never came close to publicly admitting wrongdoing or making amends, and never attempted to try to undo the hate he spread for decades to many other people.

If I have sympathy for his family for ANYTHING, it's that they had the misfortune of having Rush as a regular part of lives.
we are done here...i'm tired of butting heads in a conversation that just goes in circles and accomplishes nothing.....lets just agree that i am a horrible person and call it a day.
 
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tell your dad to come on AM and send me a pm, i would love to talk with him privately.
You seem to have no problem publicly declaring your time working the program and how it helped you. You are the one who "outed" yourself as being in the program, talking about it in multiple posts here. It's hardly a private question to ask if you're still working the program when you have brought it up yourself unsolicited multiple times already. You said "worked." He's curious as to if that was just a little slip up of mistaken tense, or if you mean you no longer work the program and are done with it.

If you're not comfortable talking more publicly about it, that's fine, I'm sure everyone understands and respects that, but you are the one who keeps bringing it up you know.
 
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we are done here...i'm tired of butting heads in a conversation that just goes in circles and accomplishes nothing.....lets just agree that i am a horrible person and call it a day.
I have said on MULTIPLE OCCASIONS that I think you are a genuinely good person who has learned from his mistakes. I said that RUSH was a POS. You are giving him WAY more of a benefit of the doubt than he deserves. I get why you're doing it. But it's REALLY coming across as you defending him, as much as you repeat that you are not. He literally sang about people dying of AIDS on a national platform. You don't see the irony in you repeatedly saying that we shouldn't speak ill of THE THINGS HE ACTUALLY DID because his family is mourning?
 

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Few people would ever defend that piece of crap, so maybe there is something in his depravity that helps others resolve internal issues. If he was good for anything, it would be to know you were better than him in some way.
 
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Some more Rush gems:

"Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.”

“They’re 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?”

[To an African American female caller]: “Take that bone out of your nose and call me back.”

“You’re a foreigner. You shut your mouth or you get out.”

Pointing out the horrid things he has said may not hurt his feelings, since he is dead, but facts are facts.

 

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Some people are just better dead. He is definitely one, it just took too long. Hopefully it wasn't too quick.
 
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Few people would ever defend that piece of crap, so maybe there is something in his depravity that helps others resolve internal issues. If he was good for anything, it would be to know you were better than him in some way.
You get all the thumbs up for this one. I mean, pretty much EVERYONE can drink and smoke until they pass out, every day for a century, a millennium, and I don't think they'd ever sing celebrating people who died of AIDS and go on racist tirades against pretty much every minority group known to man.
 
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Bodybuilders unite and rebel!

Bill Gates floated his ideas to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in a new interview.

“I do think all rich countries should move to 100% synthetic beef,” Gates said when asked how to cut back on methane emissions. “You can get used to the taste difference, and the claim is they’re going to make it taste even better over time. Eventually, that green premium is modest enough that you can sort of change the [behavior of] people or use regulation to totally shift the demand.”

Gates, whose book “How to Avoid a Climate Disaster” is out Tuesday, also spoke of the difficulties in tackling emissions when it comes to livestock — and that faux meat may be the way to go, noting the popularity of Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat.

“There are all the things where they feed them different food, like there’s this one compound that gives you a 20% reduction [in methane emissions],” the Microsoft co-founder said.

“But sadly, those bacteria [in their digestive system that produce methane] are a necessary part of breaking down the grass. And so I don’t know if there’ll be some natural approach there. I’m afraid the synthetic [protein alternatives like plant-based burgers] will be required for at least the beef thing.”

Gates said a faux meat plan for “the poorest 80 countries” wouldn’t be viable, noting that “we’ll have to use animal genetics to dramatically raise the amount of beef per emissions for them.”

 
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Bodybuilders unite and rebel!

Bill Gates floated his ideas to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in a new interview.

“I do think all rich countries should move to 100% synthetic beef,” Gates said when asked how to cut back on methane emissions. “You can get used to the taste difference, and the claim is they’re going to make it taste even better over time. Eventually, that green premium is modest enough that you can sort of change the [behavior of] people or use regulation to totally shift the demand.”

Gates, whose book “How to Avoid a Climate Disaster” is out Tuesday, also spoke of the difficulties in tackling emissions when it comes to livestock — and that faux meat may be the way to go, noting the popularity of Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat.

“There are all the things where they feed them different food, like there’s this one compound that gives you a 20% reduction [in methane emissions],” the Microsoft co-founder said.

“But sadly, those bacteria [in their digestive system that produce methane] are a necessary part of breaking down the grass. And so I don’t know if there’ll be some natural approach there. I’m afraid the synthetic [protein alternatives like plant-based burgers] will be required for at least the beef thing.”

Gates said a faux meat plan for “the poorest 80 countries” wouldn’t be viable, noting that “we’ll have to use animal genetics to dramatically raise the amount of beef per emissions for them.”

I’ll take fake meat when it is the same price as regular ground beef AND has the same amino acid profile. Meat has incredible EAA/BCAA/leucine levels, so I will not settle for an incomplete or inferior amino acid profile that has “the same amount of protein,” but half the leucine, or half the EAAs. Or half the creatine.

We can put our quarrels aside and stand together here!

But on a side note, eggs and chicken are great too.
 
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I’ll take fake meat when it is the same price as regular ground beef AND has the same amino acid profile. Meat has incredible EAA/BCAA/leucine levels, so I will not settle for an incomplete or inferior amino acid profile that has “the same amount of protein,” but half the leucine, or half the EAAs. Or half the creatine.

We can put our quarrels aside and stand together here!

But on a side note, eggs and chicken are great too.
Meatlessness (is that a word?) is being pushed harder and harder everyday. I have a feeling like all thinks the soy latte crowd likes to cram down everyone’s throat the party of perverts, pedophiles, and deviants, aka democrats, will make it law and tell us to obey. You know keeping in the spirit of this political thread and all. They do this for everything else anyway.
 

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we are in complete agreement!!!

allowing mediocre male athletes to compete in female sports just because they wear a skirt is just not fair to the female athletes...i hope all the females who voted for biden remember this.
Not only not fair, but downright dangerous to young ladies involved in contact sports.
 

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Something more scary happening today is this idea that parents are making their children gender neutral, pushing kids to adopt another gender, coddling deviant behavior at a young age, teaching them that it’s ok to be something other than what they were born as. Then they grow up with mental problems and hurt themselves, commit suicide, mask their mental problems with drugs, and etc. This sick behavior is being pushed by politicians, educators, liberals, media, Hollywood, social media, and more that I am probably leaving out.

My son is telling me about this dangerous ideology in schools now where being a homosexual is the trendy and “in” thing to be. So you find kids that are actually not homosexual trying to make themselves gay just to be cool. Then they develop mental problems and depression as a result of this.

Sometimes I wish I had the Thanos glove and can just poof all the liberals away. They are sick and twisted.
Bringing in people living "alternative lifestyles" to indoctrinate children in Kindergarten is standard curriculum in some places. I consider it sexual abuse. I don't want drag queens talking to young children about sexual topics, and I don't want abstinence only advocates talking to them either. Sex shouldn't be an important topic to these little ones for several years. Their brains need a lot more time for the wiring to develop before this stuff is introduced.
 
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Meatlessness (is that a word?) is being pushed harder and harder everyday. I have a feeling like all thinks the soy latte crowd likes to cram down everyone’s throat the party of perverts, pedophiles, and deviants, aka democrats, will make it law and tell us to obey. You know keeping in the spirit of this political thread and all. They do this for everything else anyway.
More than likely meat would be highly taxed, enough to be prohibitive for "regular citizens" (see peasants), but do nothing to stop the ultra-rich from paying the extra tax they won't even notice to get their steak.

But to be fair, Democrats are FAR from the only pedophiles and perverts. It's not like the Catholic church as a stellar reputation as far as little boys are concerned.
 
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Imagine if Rush said he didn't believe the moon landing really happened?!?! 😳
 
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Imagine if Rush said he didn't believe the moon landing really happened?!?!
At least it’s not actually leading to any real harm. There’s stupid, then there’s malicious. Malicious is worse.
 
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More than likely meat would be highly taxed, enough to be prohibitive for "regular citizens" (see peasants), but do nothing to stop the ultra-rich from paying the extra tax they won't even notice to get their steak.

But to be fair, Democrats are FAR from the only pedophiles and perverts. It's not like the Catholic church as a stellar reputation as far as little boys are concerned.
Taxing things they don’t like is the Democrat way. Hell, I’m surprised they haven’t tried to tax the air yet. How else will we pay for those Pakistani gender studies?
As for Catholics, Democrats have a huge democrat representation. I’m guessing it’s the democrat half of them that like touching little kids. After all pedo joe is a catholic and he never saw a little child he didn’t want to sniff.
 
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Bringing in people living "alternative lifestyles" to indoctrinate children in Kindergarten is standard curriculum in some places. I consider it sexual abuse. I don't want drag queens talking to young children about sexual topics, and I don't want abstinence only advocates talking to them either. Sex shouldn't be an important topic to these little ones for several years. Their brains need a lot more time for the wiring to develop before this stuff is introduced.
Liberals are sick and twisted and belong in mental institutes, not running any aspect of government or being a part of our education system.
 
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just to clarify...if hilary clinton, nancy pelosi or maxine waters were to die i would feel sympathy and compassion for their family and loved ones---even though they probably condoned and approved the irredeemable deplorable things they said.


you can flame me if you like but i consider sympathy and compassion for the family and loved ones of the dead a good thing!!!


my wife and i knew a couple back when our children were young who had a son who killed his wife and then killed himself, that couple was overcome with grief---only a cold hearted SOB would not have been able to feel sympathy and compassion for those people....
 

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Taxing things they don’t like is the Democrat way. Hell, I’m surprised they haven’t tried to tax the air yet. How else will we pay for those Pakistani gender studies?
As for Catholics, Democrats have a huge democrat representation. I’m guessing it’s the democrat half of them that like touching little kids. After all pedo joe is a catholic and he never saw a little child he didn’t want to sniff.
The Catholic problem isn't a Catholic thing, per se, except for the cover up aspect from the high level leadership. The Boyscouts of America and USA Gymnastics program have the same problem. Whenever you give adults access to children without parental supervision, you are chumming the water. Predators congregate where the prey is plentiful and unprotected.
 
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The Catholic problem isn't a Catholic thing, per se, except for the cover up aspect from the high level leadership. The Boyscouts of America and USA Gymnastics program have the same problem. Whenever you give adults access to children without parental supervision, you are chumming the water. Predators congregate where the prey is plentiful and unprotected.
I don’t believe it is either. I also don’t believe it is nearly as wide spread as the media narrative says it is. Clearly there is much more pedophiles amongst the Hollywood, media, political, and elite circle than a handful of priests can ever pull off. It’s misdirection at best. But they are very guilty of not confronting it head on and going with the head in the sand approach.
 
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If anyone needs more proof pedo joe is a child molesting piece of **** how about him not allowing ICE to target illegal sex offenders. Pedos get the wood chipper!


 
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The Catholic problem isn't a Catholic thing, per se, except for the cover up aspect from the high level leadership. The Boyscouts of America and USA Gymnastics program have the same problem. Whenever you give adults access to children without parental supervision, you are chumming the water. Predators congregate where the prey is plentiful and unprotected.
This is a more logical explanation that what dixonkis giving, and is supported by real-world examples. Thank you.

I don’t believe it is either. I also don’t believe it is nearly as wide spread as the media narrative says it is. Clearly there is much more pedophiles amongst the Hollywood, media, political, and elite circle than a handful of priests can ever pull off. It’s misdirection at best. But they are very guilty of not confronting it head on and going with the head in the sand approach.
There’s ~37,000 Catholic priests in the US alone. Now, most of them are NOT pedophiles, but suggesting that there’s only “a handful” of bad priests is just entirely unfounded. Just admit they’re bad for covering it up, which you did, without trying to downplay its prevalence with literally zero evidence to back it up except slamming Hollywood and politicians again.
 
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This is a more logical explanation that what dixonkis giving, and is supported by real-world examples. Thank you.


There’s ~37,000 Catholic priests in the US alone. Now, most of them are NOT pedophiles, but suggesting that there’s only “a handful” of bad priests is just entirely unfounded. Just admit they’re bad for covering it up, which you did, without trying to downplay its prevalence with literally zero evidence to back it up except slamming Hollywood and politicians again.
I’m not even going to attempt to defend the Catholic Church. I have no connection to them other than my wife being one. I have no idea how many there are. I will maintain my belief that pedos belong in wood chippers. I don’t care whether they are priests, boyscout leaders, or current presidents.
 
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I’m not even going to attempt to defend the Catholic Church. I have no connection to them other than my wife being one. I have no idea how many there are. I will maintain my belief that pedos belong in wood chippers. I don’t care whether they are priests, boyscout leaders, or current presidents.
Understood. I read it as you downplaying the prevalence of it in the church. I will admit that the problem is FAR from isolated to the church, as has been pointed out with relevant examples, but, as you said, it’s heinous and unacceptable regardless of who or where it is.
 
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Understood. I read it as you downplaying the prevalence of it in the church. I will admit that the problem is FAR from isolated to the church, as has been pointed out with relevant examples, but, as you said, it’s heinous and unacceptable regardless of who or where it is.
I would never downplay pedos. They are the lowest form of life on earth. I am quite literal on my desire to throw them into wood chippers, which still may be far too kind for them.
 
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Unlike you or I, people who live largely private lives, Rush was on a NATIONAL PLATFORM for DECADES spewing hate and malice, cheering the deaths of people who died of diseases, people who also had mourning families I will remind you. Even if he did attempt to make amends with people in private, when you spewed hate and encouraged others to hate for decades, you have an obligation to publicly declare the error of your public ways.

Also, my dad, who has 39 years clean in AA/NA, just said that Rush was a POS who never attempted to make public amends for the public hate he spewed for decades. He also wants me to ask you about the wording of you having "WORKED" the 12 step program. You're finished with it?
lol...yeah right...your dad wants to quiz me about my program on a public forum? anyone who knows anything about AA knows it's #1 priority is not to discuss others members business outside of meetings...

you can tell your 'dad' that everytime i go to a meeting i am WORKING my program.
 
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lol...yeah right...your dad wants to quiz me about my program on a public forum? anyone who knows anything about AA knows it's #1 priority is not to discuss others members business outside of meetings...

you can tell your 'dad' that everytime i go to a meeting i am WORKING my program.
You’re here spouting off about being in the program left and right, and as soon as someone asks even the most cursory possible question regarding it, if you’re still part of it, suddenly it’s all “mum’s the word.”

And there you go, you answered the question very simply without revealing anything more than you originally intended to. Your saying you “worked” it could have logically been interpreted as saying you no longer work it. It’s hardly an intensely private or personal question to ask if you still practice something you repeatedly and unprovoked declared you practiced. All that was asked was to clarify a point that you made ambiguously, unprovoked, and to the general forum here. I’m sorry your language was imprecise...
 
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And just to give some context, this is all because you’re saying that I should consider his grieving family when I state facts about how he unabashedly lived his life. He literally sang about people who died of AIDS, saying of them that “gays deserved their fate.” And the irony is seemingly entirely lost on you. Because MAYBE he privately made amends for things he publicly did and encouraged others to do for decades? As of December 31, 2000, 448,060 people in the US alone had died with AIDS. You really think he privately tried to make amends with nearly half a million families?
 
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There is difference between one's personal thoughts about another person (good or bad), and one having compassion towards another person and their family after a loss.

Using an easy target, Maxine Waters, provides an example. Personally, I think the things she said/says and has done/does are abhorrent. But if she suddenly passed away, I would not lack compassion for her family, and I would not be happy that she passed away. What I would (probably) think is that I was glad that we would no longer be subject to her making policy decisions and her acting in was that I believe are derisive. But that would be the same if she had been voted out of office.

Being happy that someone has died is a sign that someone has deep-seated bitterness and hatred.

While I would not feel a great sense of loss if someone unpleasant (or worse) passed away, I certainly would not feel any happiness about it.

I do not want anyone to have that type of power over me. I do not want my feelings about someone to be hate-filled, because then I allow that person to have a type of control over my emotions. If I would not allow someone, for example, to drive my car, why would allow them to drive or influence my happiness?
 
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There is difference between one's personal thoughts about another person (good or bad), and one having compassion towards another person and their family after a loss.

Using an easy target, Maxine Waters, provides an example. Personally, I think the things she said/says and has done/does are abhorrent. But if she suddenly passed away, I would not lack compassion for her family, and I would not be happy that she passed away. What I would (probably) think is that I was glad that we would no longer be subject to her making policy decisions and her acting in was that I believe are derisive. But that would be the same if she had been voted out of office.

Being happy that someone has died is a sign that someone has deep-seated bitterness and hatred.

I do not want anyone to have that type of power over me. I do not want my feelings about someone to be hate-filled, because then I allow that person to have a type of control over me.
Are his family members reading AM threads? I would never go to his family and mock them, or speak ill of him to them. But I don’t see how that extends to my not being able to criticize him for his actions at any time here.

Would it have been better if he had lived to see the error of his ways and tried to help others see it too, others he preached hate to? Of course. It is much better to see someone become better than it is to see them die bad, but the idea that someone becomes immune to any level of criticism once they are dead because they have families to think about seems a bit of a stretch.

But we are all entitled to our own views on the topic I suppose.
 
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You’re here spouting off about being in the program left and right, and as soon as someone asks even the most cursory possible question regarding it, if you’re still part of it, suddenly it’s all “mum’s the word.”

And there you go, you answered the question very simply without revealing anything more than you originally intended to. Your saying you “worked” it could have logically been interpreted as saying you no longer work it. It’s hardly an intensely private or personal question to ask if you still practice something you repeatedly and unprovoked declared you practiced. All that was asked was to clarify a point that you made ambiguously, unprovoked, and to the general forum here. I’m sorry your language was imprecise...
you are welcome to come to my regular saturday morning meeting...i will send you the info if you want?

i shared some of my experiences with my drinking and drugging because i am very proud of my almost 23 years of sobriety, i was at a very dark place in my life during those days, and i always use myself and my personal experience to tell people if i can do it you can do it....if you choose to judge me on imprecise language then i am powerless to change that and accept it.
 
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you are welcome to come to my regular saturday morning meeting...i will send you the info if you want?

i shared some of my experiences with my drinking and drugging because i am very proud of my almost 23 years of sobriety, i was at a very dark place in my life during those days, and i always use myself and my personal experience to tell people if i can do it you can do it....if you choose to judge me on imprecise language then i am powerless to change that and accept it.
I mean, you were not powerless to change it, you clarified it with one sentence my friend!

I think I’ve said if half a dozen times if I’ve said if once; I think you are a genuinely good hearted man, who has learned from his mistakes and seems to try to extend that compassion and understanding of past mistakes to others as well.

This thread can be a s**t-show of debate and argument, and we many not see eye to eye on many topics, but please do not let that lead you to believe I think poorly of you as a person by any means, as I do not.
 
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There is difference between one's personal thoughts about another person (good or bad), and one having compassion towards another person and their family after a loss.

Using an easy target, Maxine Waters, provides an example. Personally, I think the things she said/says and has done/does are abhorrent. But if she suddenly passed away, I would not lack compassion for her family, and I would not be happy that she passed away. What I would (probably) think is that I was glad that we would no longer be subject to her making policy decisions and her acting in was that I believe are derisive. But that would be the same if she had been voted out of office.

Being happy that someone has died is a sign that someone has deep-seated bitterness and hatred.

While I would not feel a great sense of loss if someone unpleasant (or worse) passed away, I certainly would not feel any happiness about it.

I do not want anyone to have that type of power over me. I do not want my feelings about someone to be hate-filled, because then I allow that person to have a type of control over my emotions. If I would not allow someone, for example, to drive my car, why would allow them to drive or influence my happiness?
well said---your language is much more 'PRECISE' than mine.
 
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I mean, you were not powerless to change it, you clarified it with one sentence my friend!

I think I’ve said if half a dozen times if I’ve said if once; I think you are a genuinely good hearted man, who has learned from his mistakes and seems to try to extend that compassion and understanding of past mistakes to others as well.

This thread can be a s**t-show of debate and argument, and we many not see eye to eye on many topics, but please do not let that lead you to believe I think poorly of you as a person by any means, as I do not.
thank you, i have put much work and effort into improving myself, but in all honesty the credit belongs to GOD.
 
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Are his family members reading AM threads? I would never go to his family and mock them, or speak ill of him to them. But I don’t see how that extends to my not being able to criticize him for his actions at any time here.

Would it have been better if he had lived to see the error of his ways and tried to help others see it too, others he preached hate to? Of course. It is much better to see someone become better than it is to see them die bad, but the idea that someone becomes immune to any level of criticism once they are dead because they have families to think about seems a bit of a stretch.

But we are all entitled to our own views on the topic I suppose.
What websites his family reads are immaterial. What is material is someone having joy over the death or harm to others.

You didn't like Rush. OK by me. I don't know what I thought about him, I wasn't part of his audience.

I would feel no more of less joy over his death because of his actions or words. I don't wish for death or damage to anyone. Doing do would speak to a lack of forgiveness. Having a hardened heart and harboring unforgiveness is like you drinking poison but somehow expecting the other person to suffer. Harboring hate only hurts the person who does so.

At a point in time I was very angry over the damage caused by my ex-wife (all of the things that caused me to file for divorce). During that time, throughout the pendency of my divorce, there were times that I "hated" her because of the lies she told and the financial implications of my having divorced her. And, during that time, that hatred controlled me. However, that hatred was situational and temporary, and I no longer "hate" her. I now see her as a severely broken narcissist and a really crappy person. But, now, if she lost her home, or if she won the lottery - it would impact me the same way (I really wouldn't care). What a tragedy it would be to allow someone that I have no respect for to control or influence my emotional happiness.
 
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What websites his family reads are immaterial. What is material is someone having joy over the death or harm to others.

You didn't like Rush. OK by me. I don't know what I thought about him, I wasn't part of his audience.

I would feel no more of less joy over his death because of his actions or words. I don't wish for death or damage to anyone. Doing do would speak to a lack of forgiveness. Having a hardened heart and harboring unforgiveness is like you drinking poison but somehow expecting the other person to suffer. Harboring hate only hurts the person who does so.

At a point in time I was very angry over the damage caused by my ex-wife (all of the things that caused me to file for divorce). During that time, throughout the pendency of my divorce, there were times that I "hated" her because of the lies she told and the financial implications of my having divorced her. And, during that time, that hatred controlled me. However, that hatred was situational and temporary, and I no longer "hate" her. I now see her as a severely broken narcissist and a really crappy person. But, now, if she lost her home, or if she won the lottery - it would impact me the same way (I really wouldn't care). What a tragedy it would be to allow someone that I have no respect for to control or influence my emotional happiness.
So you’re suggesting my criticism of him inherently negatively impacts my emotional happiness? By that logic, any criticism of Biden ITT also implies the same. I can criticize someone without them negatively impacting my emotion happiness. Not everyone has to be analyzed to death, as others have told me here.

And even if you weren’t part of his audience, surely you admit to not thinking highly of a man who said second hand smoke wasn’t harmful and sang songs mocking gay people who died of AIDS, saying they got what they deserved? It seems like a lot of gymnastics ITT to avoid actually saying he was a pretty abhorrent man.

I’m criticizing him for his actions to make it known they are not acceptable for anyone, his followers or otherwise, not to try to harm the man I am criticizing. If I was somehow trying to make a dead man hurt by insulting him, then yeah, that is insanity, but that is not at all my intention. Thank you for the concern though.

There’s been multiple instances ITT already openly saying they’ll be happy when X person or group of people (usually on the left) dies. But when I criticize someone on the right, not even saying I am happy he is dead, just calling him a POS for repeated actions he habitually took over multiple decades, suddenly I’m the one worthy of extensive comments about how I’m full of hate?
 
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So you’re suggesting my criticism of him inherently negatively impacts my emotional happiness? By that logic, any criticism of Biden ITT also implies the same. I can criticize someone without them negatively impacting my emotion happiness. Not everyone has to be analyzed to death, as others have told me here.

And even if you weren’t part of his audience, surely you admit to not thinking highly of a man who said second hand smoke wasn’t harmful and sang songs mocking gay people who died of AIDS, saying they got what they deserved? It seems like a lot of gymnastics ITT to avoid actually saying he was a pretty abhorrent man.

I’m criticizing him for his actions to make it known they are not acceptable for anyone, his followers or otherwise, not to try to harm the man I am criticizing. If I was somehow trying to make a dead man hurt by insulting him, then yeah, that is insanity, but that is not at all my intention. Thank you for the concern though.

There’s been multiple instances ITT already openly saying they’ll be happy when X person or group of people (usually on the left) dies. But when I criticize someone on the right, not even saying I am happy he is dead, just calling him a POS for repeated actions he habitually took over multiple decades, suddenly I’m the one worthy of extensive comments about how I’m full of hate?
1. Actually, no I am not suggesting that; not at all. Disagreeing with (and being critical of) someone in good, fine and healthy as long as it is respectful. But if/when someone hates another and is happy that they died - that is not criticism. The two are fundamentally different.

2. If that is what he said, then I disagree with what he said. That he made statements I disagree with does not obligate me to hate him or be happy that he died. Instead, it simply means that I disagree with his statements (if those are statements he made).

3. With all due respect, that you criticize him and disagree with his actions - does not also mean that others must agree that his actions or statements are not acceptable for anyone (or that others cannot think or act in the same way). You are certainly free to think others should not also think that way, but others are free to say/think/do whatever they want to, subject to certain limitations. People are free to say and do smart and good things to the same extent they are free to do stupid and bad things.

4. Your conclusion is a mystery to me. I said/implied nothing about you or the extent to which you are full of hate. Please re-read what I wrote - I am confident that you will reach the same conclusion.
 
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1. Actually, no I am not suggesting that; not at all. Disagreeing with someone in good, fine and healthy. But if/when someone hates another and is happy that they died - that is not criticism. The two are fundamentally different.

2. If that is what he said, then I disagree with what he said. That he made statements I disagree with does not obligate me to hate him or be happy that he died. Instead, it simply means that I disagree with his statements (if those are statements he made).

3. With all due respect, that you criticize him and disagree with his actions - does not also mean that others must agree that his actions or statements are not acceptable for anyone (or that others cannot think or act in the same way). You are certainly free to think others should not also think that way, but others are free to say/think/do whatever they want to, subject to certain limitations. People are free to say and do smart and good things to the same extent they are free to do stupid and bad things.

4. Your conclusion is a mystery to me. I said/implied nothing about you. Please re-read what I wrote - I am confident that you will reach the same conclusion.
You “disagree with what he said?” Thats the extent of it? As if he said nothing more objectionable than a subjective opinion, not exceptionally hateful, malice-filled, vitriol. I am not saying you have to hate the man. Not by any means, but you can say he was a POS without hating him. Frankly, if you think the AIDS songs are anything less than reprehensible, I don’t know what to say. If you think that is even up for debate to agree with what he said, I am at a loss.
 
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He said he made a mistake. One that he was regretful of. People can change. People make mistakes/sin, it's human. Some are regretful of their sin, and some are not.
An empty apology. He continued to mock and deride gays for yeas/decades after that “apology.” Repentance is not just admitting sin, it’s at least attempting to turn away from it. We all stumble, and never achieve perfection in this lifetime, but he claimed to apologize, but didn’t slow down on mocking and deriding people for being gay. All he did was stop singing about this deaths. Hardly changing really.

Edit: and did you even read the rest of the article you shared. It then says, after he apologized:

“While Limbaugh would come to regret the segment, that didn’t stop him from airing other homophobic content. Limbaugh, for instance, had another segment that used former Congressman Barney Frank, a prominent gay politician, as fodder. That segment featured the song “My Boy Lollipop” as slurping sounds played in the background. Limbaugh also spread the unfounded claim that gay men practiced “gerbilling” (you can read more about the unfounded urban legend here) and once said, according to James Retter’s book “The Anatomy of a Scandal,” that gay men “deserved their fate.””

“The Media Matters site has noted that Limbaugh has a history of homophobic remarks. As recently as 2015, Limbaugh was making the argument that marriage equality would lead to bestialities.”

Yeah, that TOTALLY sounds like he regrets his rampant homophobia...
 
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An empty apology. He continued to mock and deride gays for yeas/decades after that “apology.” Repentance is not just admitting sin, it’s at least attempting to turn away from it. We all stumble, and never achieve perfection in this lifetime, but he claimed to apologize, but didn’t slow down on mocking and deriding people for being gay. All he did was stop singing about this deaths. Hardly changing really.
I don't pay to much attention to him to know of he consistently did something. Was he disagreeing with that lifestyle, or being crude and rude towards them? Define how he mocked them though his career because I never listened to him.
 
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I don't pay to much attention to him to know of he consistently did something. Was he disagreeing with that lifestyle, or being crude and rude towards them? Define how he mocked them though his career because I never listened to him.
I updated my comment since it double posted. Please see my other comment if it’s working properly. From the very article you posted no less. Dude was hateful as hell.

I get saying you disagree with it, that is your right to do so, but he was way past the line, even well after his apology.
 

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