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No, but that goes with my theory of a possible stand down order from the inner circles that work inside that building.
after reading that article i would agree!!!
 
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No, but that goes with my theory of a possible stand down order from the inner circles that work inside that building.
Yes, one of the commanders stated that he didn't like the optics of a national guard riot line with the Capital building behind them. Which is actually something that needs to be considered...but can't below.


Yeah, so suddenly the FBI is all over the riots. There were hundreds of thousands of people who knew about the Capitol protests and it was all broadcast on Parker, yet somehow they were caught with their pants down in spite of all the surveillance we have been discussing in this thread.
 
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Yes, one of the commanders stated that he didn't like the optics of a national guard riot line with the Capital building behind them. Which is actually something that needs to be considered...but can't below.
Im not familiar of that one, but we have to be skeptical when it comes to official government statements when it comes down to these things. That commander is just following orders and when it comes down to "national security" he doesnt have a choice.

I mean thats noted down and has to be accounted for, but more than likely he is lying and it makes no logical sense to me when it comes to all the potential national security warnings that the government knew about before that day took place and the people all together inside that building.
 
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All I know is:


Too bad the media won't put that speech up anywhere. I couldn't find it on Google or even on YouTube when I searched now. Had to use Duckduckgo.

and how would media get a internal fbi bulletin...especially left wing media like google?
You have to ask? Oh, oh, yeah, rhetorical. My bad.
 
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COINTELPRO (syllabic abbreviation derived from COunter INTELligence PROgram) (1956–unknown) is a series of covert and illegal projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting domestic American political organizations.
 
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The claim here is that by Trump saying to go home, he satisfied the last requirement of the Insurrection Act.

But THINK for a minute... if the insurrectionists then went home (which they did) what insurrection are you then acting upon. Not to mention that the vast majority of protesters were his own people.

You can't possibly think that Trump can invoke the Insurrection Act due to his own protesters (who peacefully went home) to then impose martial law and refuse to peacefully transfer power, after saying he would.
 
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Im not familiar of that one, but we have to be skeptical when it comes to official government statements when it comes down to these things. That commander is just following orders and when it comes down to "national security" he doesnt have a choice.

I mean thats noted down and has to be accounted for, but more than likely he is lying and it makes no logical sense to me when it comes to all the potential national security warnings that the government knew about before that day took place and the people all together inside that building.
 
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Clearly not the party of "unity"

If the new Schumer senate eliminates the filibuster (as promised) to pass all the crazy sh1t they have always been dreaming about (as promised)... then the damage will be done and irreversible.

We have two kinds of.news and two sets of facts. Its red states / blue states. Hatfield and McCoy's. Slavery or rebellion. Perhaps maybe acceleration.

I think after Jan 5th in Georgia this little American experiment in divided government is over.
Even more so that red/blue states, Id say its more so the representation of urbanized vs. rural. The Founding Fathers tried to balance representation but the future sure looks grim....actually, Ive felt screwed out by both those sides for years, LOL
 
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All I know is:


Too bad the media won't put that speech up anywhere. I couldn't find it on Google or even on YouTube when I searched now. Had to use Duckduckgo.



You have to ask? Oh, oh, yeah, rhetorical. My bad.
been using duckduckgo for awhile now.
 
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That even more sounds like a stand down order for me, jeeze, you mean after 6 times you would think there was a need. You know they knew they needed it, the government pretends to be stupid when its politically advantageous. And after all, we are talking the most heavily secured area on the planet and this was on a day where just about everybody in government were all in the same building doing their dirty work.

My gut thinks that the ex-Chief is a great cop who got played and he doesnt see the big picture....still possible he is all in on it. Who gave the order to let everybody inside?
 
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Even more so that red/blue states, Id say its more so the representation of urbanized vs. rural. The Founding Fathers tried to balance representation but the future sure looks grim....actually, Ive felt screwed out by both those sides for years, LOL
even the rural areas outside of the large urban centers in california are red. i know this to be true in chicago and i've heard it's true in your state of NY....
 
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even the rural areas outside of the large urban centers in california are red. i know this to be true in chicago and i've heard it's true in your state of NY....
Centralized authoritarian power whether nationally or within a state feeds division, and Groper Joe thinks he is going to unify the country, LMFAO!
 
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Centralized authoritarian power whether nationally or within a state feeds division, and Groper Joe thinks he is going to unify the country, LMFAO!
he is going to unify by silencing opposition!!!

and to think all this time we've been told trump supporters were nazi's :unsure:
 
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i agree...so who do you think impersonated trump, and why?
I think BOTH sides are jerking our chains. The far right now passing around these false hopes of a white hat event " ... aaaaany day now" to finally expose the corruption. But it never actually happens does it.

Anyone seen a Kraken??!?

I think this is meant to mollify the hard core Trumpers and prevent a much larger angrier protest at every Capitol.
 
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I think BOTH sides are jerking our chains. The far right now passing around these false hopes of a white hat event " ... aaaaany day now" to finally expose the corruption. But it never actually happens does it.

Anyone seen a Kraken??!?

I think this is meant to mollify the hard core Trumpers and prevent a much larger angrier protest at every Capitol.
it's too bad the media is sooo caught up in propaganda. no one has a clue to what is really going on, and opposition is being shut down.

i would almost bet cell phones are being monitored to keep track of those organizing protests.
 
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Honestly, I wonder if Trump's rhetoric actually saved us here. People stood by and a lot of them got to slowly accept it over time as they thought he was fighting it. If he didn't fight it, there would have been 5x as many people at the capitol shortly after the election. His legal battles, which were hardly battles, at least allowed him to say, "We fought it and it is over and time to move on."

Without Trump acting the way he did, things would have probably been worse as his followers would have felt abandoned.
 
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Honestly, I wonder if Trump's rhetoric actually saved us here. People stood by and a lot of them got to slowly accept it over time as they thought he was fighting it. If he didn't fight it, there would have been 5x as many people at the capitol shortly after the election. His legal battles, which were hardly battles, at least allowed him to say, "We fought it and it is over and time to move on."

Without Trump acting the way he did, things would have probably been worse as his followers would have felt abandoned.
move on to what?
 
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This is posted by someone who works in Human Resources/Diversity&Inclusion. This is NOT how a person in this position is supposed to act.

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This is posted by someone who works in Human Resources/Diversity&Inclusion. This is NOT how a person in this position is supposed to act.

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The presupposition here is that congreaspeople were actually having attempts at assassination made on their lives. No elected official was ever remotely in danger.
 
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The presupposition here is that congreaspeople were actually having attempts at assassination made on their lives. No elected official was ever remotely in danger.
You can’t actually believe that out of all the people who stormed the capitol that not one of them had thoughts of hurting or killing a congressman. That’s very naive thinking. They killed a cop. Beat him to death. It’s on video. The moments leading up to Ashli Babbits shooting showed very violent and aggressive MAGAs trying to gain entry into the speakers chambers. Men with bombs and hundreds of rounds of ammunition were arrested. 2 pipe bombs were found on the premises. I’m sure if they got their hands on pelosi that day they would have beaten her to a bloody pulp
 
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could it be they are shutting down avenues of free speech for anyone with opposing views?
I don't know if you ever used Parler, but I have browsed through it a lot and some of the content is pretty dark. Arguments of free speech don't protect you when it comes to inciting violence.

I think platforms absolutely have a right to dictate what is posted on their private spaces. In the same regard, Admin enforces rules on this very forum. If you cross the line of what is in the terms of service or the rules, then expect consequences. Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequence and, more importantly, doesn't apply to a private platform.

Even Parler removed some posts because it crossed even their policies on what constitutes free speech.

Misinformation spreads like wildfire and it is becoming increasingly dangerous. At some point platforms have to take responsibility for what its members are posting. I've said it before, but there are a lot of people who don't break laws simply because the laws exist. You take away those rules or that law, and people will push the envelope.

Honestly, I wonder if Trump's rhetoric actually saved us here. People stood by and a lot of them got to slowly accept it over time as they thought he was fighting it. If he didn't fight it, there would have been 5x as many people at the capitol shortly after the election. His legal battles, which were hardly battles, at least allowed him to say, "We fought it and it is over and time to move on."

Without Trump acting the way he did, things would have probably been worse as his followers would have felt abandoned.
Trump lit the match that started the fire, and now you're praising him for putting it out?
 
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You can’t actually believe that out of all the people who stormed the capitol that not one of them had thoughts of hurting or killing a congressman. That’s very naive thinking. They killed a cop. Beat him to death. It’s on video. The moments leading up to Ashli Babbits shooting showed very violent and aggressive MAGAs trying to gain entry into the speakers chambers. Men with bombs and hundreds of rounds of ammunition were arrested. 2 pipe bombs were found on the premises. I’m sure if they got their hands on pelosi that day they would have beaten her to a bloody pulp
This is what has confused me. Anybody has the capacity to be violent. If someone believes that a political affliction changes someone's personality, they are mistaken.

Some of the most religious people are the most violent, which seems counterintuitive, but there are always subsets that take things to the absolute extreme. If you believe in something vehemently enough, it can drive you to cross boundaries that you normally wouldn't. In the case of voter fraud, yes I understand people believe it occurred, but quite honestly the lack of evidence is overwhelming. But that insistent believe has driven some people to beat a cop to death which is no different than a jihadist killing people in the name of Allah. In their minds they are justified because they have been wronged.

Those beliefs are further ingrained when you find a platform where every person shares those beliefs. With social media, those echo chambers can be tens of thousands of people deep, which can give the false belief that this number of people cannot be wrong and then you end up completely engrossed in a very warped and one-sided worldview.
 
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You can’t actually believe that out of all the people who stormed the capitol that not one of them had thoughts of hurting or killing a congressman. That’s very naive thinking. They killed a cop. Beat him to death. It’s on video. The moments leading up to Ashli Babbits shooting showed very violent and aggressive MAGAs trying to gain entry into the speakers chambers. Men with bombs and hundreds of rounds of ammunition were arrested. 2 pipe bombs were found on the premises. I’m sure if they got their hands on pelosi that day they would have beaten her to a bloody pulp
Do we know who these men with bombs are? And random pipe bombs could have been planted by anybody, including the government. Also, we dont know if any of this was directed at congressional people or Dump supporters. I have to look into this more.

Pelosi doesnt bleed, she is mostly plastic filled with milk substance.
 
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I don't know if you ever used Parler, but I have browsed through it a lot and some of the content is pretty dark. Arguments of free speech don't protect you when it comes to inciting violence.
If this is the standard the primary objective is to shut down the government's free speech on these platforms because they are the worst offenders of inciting violence on the globe.
 
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I don't know if you ever used Parler, but I have browsed through it a lot and some of the content is pretty dark. Arguments of free speech don't protect you when it comes to inciting violence.

I think platforms absolutely have a right to dictate what is posted on their private spaces. In the same regard, Admin enforces rules on this very forum. If you cross the line of what is in the terms of service or the rules, then expect consequences. Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequence and, more importantly, doesn't apply to a private platform.

Even Parler removed some posts because it crossed even their policies on what constitutes free speech.

Misinformation spreads like wildfire and it is becoming increasingly dangerous. At some point platforms have to take responsibility for what its members are posting.



Trump lit the match that started the fire, and now you're praising him for putting it out?
remember when liberals threatened to burn washington DC to the ground if trump won? they were planning for this on social media....i know that 2 wrongs don't make a right, just giving a example of how things get treated differently-when liberal said this it was treated as free speech. platforms should have taken responsibility back when blm 'protests' were turning into riots!!!


i am afraid that social media platforms are going to use this as a means of suppressing all opposition to biden?
 
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I think platforms absolutely have a right to dictate what is posted on their private spaces. In the same regard, Admin enforces rules on this very forum. If you cross the line of what is in the terms of service or the rules, then expect consequences. Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequence and, more importantly, doesn't apply to a private platform.
Im starting to lean on this being a different situation here...we have social media platforms that started working with the Obobo administration as they were destroying and mass murdering people all over Lybia, Syria, Hondurus, etc....and social media was complying to shut out people and groups of interest from their platforms.

This has now expanded domestically, the merger of corporate and government making decisions on who and when to shut specific people out just because they dont go along with the mainstream of their particular choosings. This is dangerous.
 
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This is what has confused me. Anybody has the capacity to be violent. If someone believes that a political affliction changes someone's personality, they are mistaken.

Some of the most religious people are the most violent, which seems counterintuitive, but there are always subsets that take things to the absolute extreme. If you believe in something vehemently enough, it can drive you to cross boundaries that you normally wouldn't. In the case of voter fraud, yes I understand people believe it occurred, but quite honestly the lack of evidence is overwhelming. But that insistent believe has driven some people to beat a cop to death which is no different than a jihadist killing people in the name of Allah. In their minds they are justified because they have been wronged.

Those beliefs are further ingrained when you find a platform where every person shares those beliefs. With social media, those echo chambers can be tens of thousands of people deep, which can give the false belief that this number of people cannot be wrong and then you end up completely engrossed in a very warped and one-sided worldview.
admittedly i don't belong to or follow social media platforms[unless you count anabolicminds] but it was my understanding that social media platforms are owned, run/controlled by liberals?
 
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I call on Foolgle, Abble, Facekrak and Twitshyt to shut this lying mass murdering crackhead hoe up from the face of existance. If they dont they have no ethical credibility and should just stick to providing people good services.

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admittedly i don't belong to or follow social media platforms[unless you count anabolicminds] but it was my understanding that social media platforms are owned, run/controlled by liberals?
Owned by liberals, work for the deep state.
 
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admittedly i don't belong to or follow social media platforms[unless you count anabolicminds] but it was my understanding that social media platforms are owned, run/controlled by liberals?
Depends on which ones. Parler, 8chan and Gab most certainly aren't.
 
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Im starting to lean on this being a different situation here...we have social media platforms that started working with the Obobo administration as they were destroying and mass murdering people all over Lybia, Syria, Hondurus, etc....and social media was complying to shut out people and groups of interest from their platforms.

This has now expanded domestically, the merger of corporate and government making decisions on who and when to shut specific people out just because they dont go along with the mainstream of their particular choosings. This is dangerous.
Obama didn't use his platform to commit sedition or discuss other things related to Lybia etc.
 
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Obama didn't use his platform to commit sedition or discuss other things related to Lybia etc.
Are you saying he never mentioned his intentions of interventionism to destroy these countries on the platform? I mean we are talking the worst of the worst of global atrocities. The government lies and murders. I mean really, I expect a little better from you here but I still love you :)
 
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Media: Yes, Violence Is the Answer [Supercut]


Well, i always thought violence was the lowest you level that you only stoop to when you've lost all intelligent argument and know you're wrong but want your own way anyway, but the poli-trick-shuns and media slime have said it's ok so if you're sick the fascist anti-fascists and racist anti-racists then i guess you just go out and crack heads and destroy stuff, i mean thats what they said so if it's visited upon them they can't complain
 
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Are you saying he never mentioned his intentions of interventionism to destroy these countries on the platform? I mean we are talking the worst of the worst of global atrocities. The government lies and murders. I mean really, I expect a little better from you here but I still love you :)
Where did he say he was going to destroy those countries? If he did, then wow
 
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Where did he say he was going to destroy those countries? If he did, then wow
Well Im not going back 12 years and scavage 12 years of twytshyt posts but Obobo is one of the founding fathers of promoting his agendas through social media. Anyways, twystshyt sends money to than mass murdering lunatic and now again with Groper Joe who never missed signing a single piece of big war and just about ever other violent legistation that fell on his desk the past 1/2 century.

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Depends on which ones. Parler, 8chan and Gab most certainly aren't.
until just recently i had never heard of parler, and this is 1st time i've heard of those other 2....versus facebook, twitter and instagram.

c,mon man-even you have to admit that is like comparing the terre haute tribune crossword puzzle to the london times, lol.
 
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You can’t actually believe that out of all the people who stormed the capitol that not one of them had thoughts of hurting or killing a congressman. That’s very naive thinking. They killed a cop. Beat him to death. It’s on video. The moments leading up to Ashli Babbits shooting showed very violent and aggressive MAGAs trying to gain entry into the speakers chambers. Men with bombs and hundreds of rounds of ammunition were arrested. 2 pipe bombs were found on the premises. I’m sure if they got their hands on pelosi that day they would have beaten her to a bloody pulp
What I said is that no elected official was in ANY real danger.

Unlike a lot of people, I try to avoid making up stories in my head and then believing they are real because I made them up. Seeing a guy with zip ties MAY indicate that they intended to take hostages, but it doesn't mean they absolutely did - just like I can and do walk into a store with a gun - but that doesn't mean I am going to murder someone.

I find it interesting that your "very violent" example consists of a large group of people yelling and punching glass doors...while police officers stood still and no one ever touched anyone or hurt a single person until a cop shot one of these "very violent" people. Was it violent? Sure. It was scary and out of control and ridiculous. Was it to the level of, "these guys are going to kill someone"?...I honestly, thankfully, don't know. Some of them may have intended such an action.

The beating of the officer is obviously wrong and not included in what I am referring to. I am just referring to how ridiculous it has become that we get fed these narratives that feed more narratives and have no basis in reality. They could have happened, thankfully they didn't. But lots of things could have happened and we just don't know.

But, as you say, out of all the people there I do believe there were some crazies that would have hurt someone. But, they never would have gotten to the politicians.. as has been said,, there were automatic weapons ready for a blood bath if needed and it only took a single bullet to stop it.. that doesn't sound like a reaction from a group of people who came prepared for fighting, taking hostages, etc. Either that or they are the weakest, dumbest fuarks in the country... or both.. it could be both..

I hope I explained what I meant the way I intended...


Trump lit the match that started the fire, and now you're praising him for putting it out?
Hate to tell you, but Trump is not the cause of all that has happened. He is a symptom of it. Politicians lit this fire, and they stoke it. All of them. They should all take a hard look at themselves and what they are causing. Biden and Pelosi are two of the most divisive people - way worse than Trump. Trump has had one of the most successful foreign policies in the last 50 years and and Biden calls him a clown and incompetent. Pelosi talks about how important it is to help people, then goes home on vacation to eat her ice cream while people suffer, and now finds it more important to impeach a president with 9 days left in office and spend the beginning of the next term doing so, rather than prioritize things that matter.

Sure, Trump is inflammatory, but if he played it like he was going to pack it in and just give up - there would have been a real riot at the capital shortly after the elections with 5-10x as many people. A lot of people waited and hoped instead, because he was fighting, and they had time to cool off a little.

Is it "praise"....no because I am not 100% sure it was intentional, although with the government knowing things Trump may have known there were movements and he had to appease them to avoid things - and it all culminated with him giving a concession speech where he could say he exhausted every legal avenue. So who knows?


Do we know who these men with bombs are? And random pipe bombs could have been planted by anybody, including the government. Also, we dont know if any of this was directed at congressional people or Dump supporters. I have to look into this more.

Pelosi doesnt bleed, she is mostly plastic filled with milk substance.
You reminded me of something else. A couple days ago they were writing articles about "another capitol officer has died" and making it sound like it was from the riots - but not disclosing the cause of death which right away made me think suicide. Turns out it was suicide.

I have two thoughts on this.

1. He is the one who shot the woman. We will see of the name of the person who shot her is ever released. My guess is it won't be if he killed himself later.

2. It was a guard who knew something and it was "suicide".

This tinfoil you sent me is extra thick, nice stuff.
 
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Have we solved anything in this thread yet?
 
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What I said is that no elected official was in ANY real danger.

Unlike a lot of people, I try to avoid making up stories in my head and then believing they are real because I made them up. Seeing a guy with zip ties MAY indicate that they intended to take hostages, but it doesn't mean they absolutely did - just like I can and do walk into a store with a gun - but that doesn't mean I am going to murder someone.

I find it interesting that your "very violent" example consists of a large group of people yelling and punching glass doors...while police officers stood still and no one ever touched anyone or hurt a single person until a cop shot one of these "very violent" people. Was it violent? Sure. It was scary and out of control and ridiculous. Was it to the level of, "these guys are going to kill someone"?...I honestly, thankfully, don't know. Some of them may have intended such an action.

The beating of the officer is obviously wrong and not included in what I am referring to. I am just referring to how ridiculous it has become that we get fed these narratives that feed more narratives and have no basis in reality. They could have happened, thankfully they didn't. But lots of things could have happened and we just don't know.

But, as you say, out of all the people there I do believe there were some crazies that would have hurt someone. But, they never would have gotten to the politicians.. as has been said,, there were automatic weapons ready for a blood bath if needed and it only took a single bullet to stop it.. that doesn't sound like a reaction from a group of people who came prepared for fighting, taking hostages, etc. Either that or they are the weakest, dumbest fuarks in the country... or both.. it could be both..

I hope I explained what I meant the way I intended...




Hate to tell you, but Trump is not the cause of all that has happened. He is a symptom of it. Politicians lit this fire, and they stoke it. All of them. They should all take a hard look at themselves and what they are causing. Biden and Pelosi are two of the most divisive people - way worse than Trump. Trump has had one of the most successful foreign policies in the last 50 years and and Biden calls him a clown and incompetent. Pelosi talks about how important it is to help people, then goes home on vacation to eat her ice cream while people suffer, and now finds it more important to impeach a president with 9 days left in office and spend the beginning of the next term doing so, rather than prioritize things that matter.

Sure, Trump is inflammatory, but if he played it like he was going to pack it in and just give up - there would have been a real riot at the capital shortly after the elections with 5-10x as many people. A lot of people waited and hoped instead, because he was fighting, and they had time to cool off a little.

Is it "praise"....no because I am not 100% sure it was intentional, although with the government knowing things Trump may have known there were movements and he had to appease them to avoid things - and it all culminated with him giving a concession speech where he could say he exhausted every legal avenue. So who knows?




You reminded me of something else. A couple days ago they were writing articles about "another capitol officer has died" and making it sound like it was from the riots - but not disclosing the cause of death which right away made me think suicide. Turns out it was suicide.

I have two thoughts on this.

1. He is the one who shot the woman. We will see of the name of the person who shot her is ever released. My guess is it won't be if he killed himself later.

2. It was a guard who knew something and it was "suicide".

This tinfoil you sent me is extra thick, nice stuff.
i didn't know that the officer who shot the air force veteran committed suicide?:unsure:
 

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