vAliant Anabolic Androgenic Archive: TD Superdrol and DMZ

Ya you look closer to the new reading. Problem with those scales that I have is it will give varying readings depending on how much and when you drink fluids.
 
JoePaul39 said:
Ya you look closer to the new reading. Problem with those scales that I have is it will give varying readings depending on how much and when you drink fluids.
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Make sure that the only liquid I have prior is pre workout. Then I urinate even after that. So empty bladder, and minimal water.
 
I did push this morning.

Flat DB chest press
3 warm up sets
90x10x10x10x10

Seated DB skull crushers super settled with push ups.
50x10
70x10
80x10
85x6
85x6

I do two of everything a week, and have limited gym time. So that's why I don't have a bunch of different exercises, but I make sure the few that I do, I am close to failure each set.
 
Double post
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Am not taking any support supplements yet. I don't even know if the TD SD is doing anything, or is even SD, let alone an actual AAS. Would TUDCA or NAC not be good to take next to a DMZ dose?
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I have heard taking liver care supps with the mythlated steroid could lower the steroids absorption...i never could get a definitive answer on this though...
 
manifesto said:
I have heard taking liver care supps with the mythlated steroid could lower the steroids absorption...i never could get a definitive answer on this though...
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Well, I don't want that. I may hold off on liver support, and use if I feel like death. I don't drink, and have a good liver otherwise.
 
Maybe some other more knowledgeable peeps can chine in on this
 
manifesto said:
I have heard taking liver care supps with the mythlated steroid could lower the steroids absorption...i never could get a definitive answer on this though...
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That’s just somebody equally unknowledgeable on the topic as you repeating what you just did.

I have not found a definitive, supported answer. I have done it every way and always get results from the orals regardless, so I am inclined to believe it’s negligible. If you have the time/memory to separate it from the orals, go for it. If you are one of those people that can barely remember their morning and night handful of pills as it is, best to keep them together so they at least get taken.

Andrew Triana takes his TUDCA first thing in the morning, before eating. I actually know Andy, and the results he’s gotten for many strongman clients speak for themselves - the kid is intelligent. James Hollingshead said his current coach has him take it specifically at 5pm (I’m assuming his bedtime is likely 9-11pm). I generally take mine after my last meal in the evening, along with all of my day’s NAC, because I have heard that’s an ideal time as the liver is most active at night (and I haven’t even looked that up to confirm it because it just doesn’t matter that much).
 
I think if the body composition changes are a little accurate, the SD may be SD, I just was expecting dramatic changes, and dramatic sides.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
I think if the body composition changes are a little accurate, the SD may be SD, I just was expecting dramatic changes, and dramatic sides.
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I don’t really get sides from SD (or M-Sten for that matter) so it’s individual and it might take a few weeks before you see changes, give it another week or 2.
 
enhanced said:
What does the bpc do for pct? I've used it for injuries, but not for aas recovery.
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Organ repair, if I get a lot stronger, a lot quicker, it can bring my joints and tendons up to speed. It's also good for the guy, and brain health. It's fantastic overall.
 
@Hyde

What do you think about running aromasin the last week of cycle, and through PCT? I'm thinking it will lower the e2 from HCG use, and therefore further help recovery with clomid?
 
ValiantThor08 said:
@Hyde

What do you think about running aromasin the last week of cycle, and through PCT? I'm thinking it will lower the e2 from HCG use, and therefore further help recovery with clomid?
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Yes it will do that.

Just be careful in PCT, because while you could help test production some by lowering e2 you don’t want to get too dry. The amounts I think used in clinical settings for test production stimulation are just too high for overall well-being in my experience, and I’m a wet estrogenic sumbitch even. I have been using like 2 doses of 12.5mg per week to feel balanced (currently finishing week 4 of PCT with Clomid at about 25-30mg 2 on/1 off with Sustain Alpha transresveratrol, Toco9 & phosphatidylserine). Daily use would just be way too much, and I’m feeling great so will continue on the next 2 weeks.

You do need estrogen lower both for test production to be stimulated and to prevent gyno in the lower androgen environment while test levels are rebuilding, but some estrogen is still important for health and well-being.

I do not agree with taking a lot, and I think using it during HCG then as needed in PCT is the best route. My non-educated, non-medical personal opinion here totally.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
@Hyde

What do you think about running aromasin the last week of cycle, and through PCT? I'm thinking it will lower the e2 from HCG use, and therefore further help recovery with clomid?
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Yes it will do that.

Just be careful in PCT, because while you could help test production some by lowering e2 you don’t want to get too dry. The amounts I think used in clinical settings for test production stimulation are just too high for overall well-being in my experience, and I’m a wet estrogenic sumbitch even. I have been using like 2 doses of 12.5mg per week to feel balanced (currently finishing week 4 of PCT with Clomid at about 25-30mg 2 on/1 off with Sustain Alpha transresveratrol, Toco9 & phosphatidylserine). Daily use would just be way too much, and I’m feeling great so will continue on the next 2 weeks.

You do need estrogen lower both for test production to be stimulated and to prevent gyno in the lower androgen environment while test levels are rebuilding, but some estrogen is still important for health and well-being.

I do not agree with taking a lot, and I think using it during HCG then as needed in PCT is the best route. My non-educated, non-medical personal opinion here totally.
 
Hyde said:
Yes it will do that.

Just be careful in PCT, because while you could help test production some by lowering e2 you don’t want to get too dry. The amounts I think used in clinical settings for test production stimulation are just too high for overall well-being in my experience, and I’m a wet estrogenic sumbitch even. I have been using like 2 doses of 12.5mg per week to feel balanced (currently finishing week 4 of PCT with Clomid at about 25-30mg 2 on/1 off with Sustain Alpha transresveratrol, Toco9 & phosphatidylserine). Daily use would just be way too much, and I’m feeling great so will continue on the next 2 weeks.

You do need estrogen lower both for test production to be stimulated and to prevent gyno in the lower androgen environment while test levels are rebuilding, but some estrogen is still important for health and well-being.

I do not agree with taking a lot, and I think using it during HCG then as needed in PCT is the best route. My non-educated, non-medical personal opinion here totally.
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Thanks. Was thinking about the lowest possible dose.
 
Not sure if you already mentioned this, but how much NAC you going to run with the dmz?
 
manifesto said:
Not sure if you already mentioned this, but how much NAC you going to run with the dmz?
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Decided to pass on NAC/TUDCA.

There is definitely not enough SD TD material in the bottle to make it 4 weeks. It really might not make 2. I been using a medicine syringe to draw our 1.5 ml each day. That dosing protocol should give 6 weeks. 2ml should of given 4. I might get 2 weeks. Starting DMZ tomorrow so that DMZ will be kicked in by time SD runs out
 
So your not running any liver support for the cycle?
 
I would take the NAC and Tudca. Many guys here have run DMZ with those supports and had excellent results so if it does interfere with absorption of the compound I don’t think it is to a significant degree enough to make much of a difference.
 
saderboy80 said:
So overall how did you feel about the short string of TD SD? Any noteworthy progress or side effects.
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I am now beginning to see physical changes. And I'm also about to run out. Transdermal SD is not the way to go IMO. Unless you want to but multiple bottles because you just love Transdermals.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
I am now beginning to see physical changes. And I'm also about to run out. Transdermal SD is not the way to go IMO. Unless you want to but multiple bottles because you just love Transdermals.
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What dose did you run it again? And what do you foresee the probleM being? Underdosed, poor carrier, too large of a molecule to be in a transdermal product?

I know it’s all just speculation but I’ve seen people get good results with TD trestolone. Just wondering how the superdrol compares.
 
saderboy80 said:
What dose did you run it again? And what do you foresee the probleM being? Underdosed, poor carrier, too large of a molecule to be in a transdermal product?

I know it’s all just speculation but I’ve seen people get good results with TD trestolone. Just wondering how the superdrol compares.
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1.5ml per day.

Bottle supposed to have 60ml

17mg per ml

I'm thinking there may be the 1g claimed of SD in the carrier, but not 60ml of Carrier. So if I finish the bottle in 2 weeks, it means I ran over 60mg a day, for two weeks. No way that much will be absorbed though. Some things will do better Transdermal, like ment, but something like SD, or anything methylated, it's going to be better oral every time.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
1.5ml per day.

Bottle supposed to have 60ml

17mg per ml

I'm thinking there may be the 1g claimed of SD in the carrier, but not 60ml of Carrier. So if I finish the bottle in 2 weeks, it means I ran over 60mg a day, for two weeks. No way that much will be absorbed though. Some things will do better Transdermal, like ment, but something like SD, or anything methylated, it's going to be better oral every time.
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Damn that’s too bad. Hopefully this DMZ will treat you well! Good luck my man.
 
What made you decide to start right at 60mg DMZ? I've seen most peolle start at 30 to 45mg
 
Started the DMZ this morning. Rest day today. Push day tomorrow. Will begin HCG Monday, doing Mon/We'd/Fri dosing protocol for 6 weeks, up to start of Clomid.
 
@Hyde

Would it be smart to do a dose of HCG today if I'm now beginning to experience suppression? Or waiting until Monday would be just fine. Idea is, better to not let the testes shrink, than to let them atrophy, and work from there. What you think?
 
I guess since your experiencing some suppression we at least know the Superdrol had some anabolic compound, but who knows what.
 
JoePaul39 said:
I guess since your experiencing some suppression we at least know the Superdrol had some anabolic compound, but who knows what.
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It very well may be SD? Just not the best way to use it. But hey, you get what you pay for, and I got it cheap. Also, as for suppression, today I feel grumpy, little ache in the testes. I have enough for 20 doses of HCG. And I only need 18. So I may dose today.
 
I apologize if you already covered this, but if your willing to run the HCG, why not just test on this cycle?
 
manifesto said:
I apologize if you already covered this, but if your willing to run the HCG, why not just test on this cycle?
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Pinning I have no problem with. I just wanted to run something short and sweet, and then stay off for a long time, like I had been. Wife also would not like me pinning test, although she doesn't seem to mind me pinning peptides. I ran test a decade ago as well, libido increase and gyno, but strength and greatest body comp changes came from the orals I ran at the time. Like epistane, had me benching 225 for 20 reps, squatting 405, shoulder pressing 80, and getting strong too quickly also messed up my joints. If I get on TRT in the future, will be another story.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Pinning I have no problem with. I just wanted to run something short and sweet, and then stay off for a long time, like I had been. Wife also would not like me pinning test, although she doesn't seem to mind me pinning peptides. I ran test a decade ago as well, libido increase and gyno, but strength and greatest body comp changes came from the orals I ran at the time. Like epistane, had me benching 225 for 20 reps, squatting 405, shoulder pressing 80, and getting strong too quickly also messed up my joints. If I get on TRT in the future, will be another story.
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Makes sense. In that case, I think its very smart way to use the HCG...

I'm on TRT, and I've got my wife doing my glute injections. I think she saw what it does for my erections and jumped right on board lol (no pun)
 
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If you have not used BPC157. Research it, and consider cycling it. Mine came in. Excited to use it with GHRP2/modGRF in PCT. Invalid Link Removed
 
Looks delicious!!!
 
Is that Chick-fil-A sauce I see? A wise choice

Yeah take the HCG now. If you are already getting some ball ache that means they’re shrinking/changing size, which is what you are trying to avoid as mentioned, so you aren’t wasting any by starting it now.
 
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