Anyone worried if Corona virus keeps spreading the gyms will shut down?
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muscleupcrohn
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Let's hear a funny name for Instagram too. Don't let us down. You can do it. Maybe Instascam? Am I doing it right?
muscleupcrohn
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*Instascam. Then there's Farcebook. And Twatter. You already came up with Goofle. What about Bing and Microsoft? Come on man, surely Goofle wasn't your one hit wonder?
muscleupcrohn
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Still waiting on funny names for Bing and Microsoft. I mean, Micro-Soft describes your dick, but it’s still not as good as Goofle. I know you’re not a one hit wonder, so keep them coming.
puccah8808
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Muscleup, are you having to schedule a time for 24 hour fitness also? I guess it’s been a good and bad thing for me. Good because I want to stay the full hour and it’s not super busy, but bad because I have to constantly cancel with things coming up often. Plus, they closed the one by work sooooo.... yah.
tyga tyga
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I didn’t live during Roman Empire the but I can have an opinion it. You’re appeal to authority because of “tenure” or “career” doesn’t bode well.
Whisky
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So 25th July the gyms in the UK reopen.......still waiting to see what restrictions and requirements they put in place though. More cleaning, reduced class sizes and overall limits on numbers in the building seem to be the most likely.
but, whilst there is a lot of noise about them reopening there is ALOT of people stating they won’t be rushing back.
the big box gyms rely on volume, in fact their business model relies on people taking memberships that don’t attend. Now in normally circumstances that would happen (as loads of people will start next week) but those are the people that will use covid as the excuse to not even kid themselves they are gonna go to the gym.
I think we’ll see a lot close down pre Xmas.
the smaller boutique gyms will struggle as well. They have little financial resilience and although their membership is more tilted towards people into fitness, they will struggle to absorb the extra overheads and will struggle to attract the new (higher paying) members they need in this climate.
I think we’re about to see a massive shake up in the space. Possibly big price hikes at the budget gyms with lots of the smaller ones going under. I think at least one big chain will go too.
but, whilst there is a lot of noise about them reopening there is ALOT of people stating they won’t be rushing back.
the big box gyms rely on volume, in fact their business model relies on people taking memberships that don’t attend. Now in normally circumstances that would happen (as loads of people will start next week) but those are the people that will use covid as the excuse to not even kid themselves they are gonna go to the gym.
I think we’ll see a lot close down pre Xmas.
the smaller boutique gyms will struggle as well. They have little financial resilience and although their membership is more tilted towards people into fitness, they will struggle to absorb the extra overheads and will struggle to attract the new (higher paying) members they need in this climate.
I think we’re about to see a massive shake up in the space. Possibly big price hikes at the budget gyms with lots of the smaller ones going under. I think at least one big chain will go too.
tyga tyga
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No, you try to refute the argument along the lines of, “you’ve never served as a cop, so how do you know police reform/training is needed.”
Static’s and Data driven evidence ALLOW the conversation. The onus is on you to how much “knowledge” you decide to read?
muscleupcrohn
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I don’t know, they had issues with my card, so they canceled my membership and I have not reactivated it, since I have a home gym in my new place.
muscleupcrohn
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Don’t forget the troll part, ignorant troll.
Quest
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I'm sure I could find evidence that could dismiss what his says via the same source.
thebigt
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yup, new recruits are knocking down the door to become cops, right?
thebigt
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sometimes you need to step back and take a day off from the madness...for me 2grams of phenibut and a day of pink floyd on headphones worked wonders!!! kind of put life back into perspective...
muscleupcrohn
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That's awesome man. Maybe tomorrow I’ll take a chill day. But I think I learned how to handle this troll from now on haha.
Hilltern
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Well somehow they exist just like teachers, right? I personally think we should pay both (and firefighters) more to attract better talent and show more respect for their work but that’s a separate issue. End of the day people will join up and they should be trained adequately, which they currently are not.
muscleupcrohn
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Firefighters actually make pretty good money now, at least here in So Flo, after decades of being paid poorly. Add in the great insurance and retirement, and I’d say they’re fairly compensated here now. And most people like firefighters, for the most part, nothing is 100%.
A lot of teachers are really paid poorly given that they have a lot of education, and are directly responsible for raising and educating our kids. Our next generation is really only as good as our teachers. Parents of course are essential, but good teachers can make a world of difference. I know I had a few teachers in my life who really made a big difference and helped set me up for success.
thebigt
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sounds like something you should look into?
i bet you could really show them how it should be done!!!!
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muscleupcrohn
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mase1
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All the police reform talk and no one has put the truth out there- copied since Google is always right.
The Obama administration Invalid Link Removed in 2016 that police departments lower their entry standards in order to be able to qualify more minorities for recruitment. Departments had already been deemphasizing written exams or eliminating requirements that recruits have a clean criminal record, but the trend intensified thereafter. The Baltimore Police Department changed its qualifying exam to such an extent that the director of legal instruction in the Baltimore Police Academy Invalid Link Removed in 2018 that rookie officers were being let out onto the street with little understanding of the law. It is the same for the military.
The Obama administration Invalid Link Removed in 2016 that police departments lower their entry standards in order to be able to qualify more minorities for recruitment. Departments had already been deemphasizing written exams or eliminating requirements that recruits have a clean criminal record, but the trend intensified thereafter. The Baltimore Police Department changed its qualifying exam to such an extent that the director of legal instruction in the Baltimore Police Academy Invalid Link Removed in 2018 that rookie officers were being let out onto the street with little understanding of the law. It is the same for the military.
muscleupcrohn
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I'm consistent; I don't think lowering standards is a good idea at all. Not for ANY reason. Who said I'm a fan of Obama? I'm a registered Republican who leans libertarian. I didn't vote for Obama, or Hillary. Just because I can be critical of Trump doesn't mean I'm a fan of Obama. Not by any means.
And you bring up a good point, and you backed it up with a source with experience (an academy legal instructor). I totally agree with you. If anything, we should be increasing requirements, not decreasing them. There's an argument to be made that we don't need to increase them, but we certainly shouldn't be decreasing them. I 100% agree with you there. We want the most qualified, most knowledgeable officers possible, regardless of race/ethnicity/sex/etc., not just a a diverse force of people who don't know what their job is and can't perform it well.
Did you expect me to disagree with you there, because I don't. I agree with you.
Whisky
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Typically pay/packages for public service workers (like pay in all sectors) is dictated by market forces.
In the uk we see that very clearly, historically the private sector used to pay more than the public sector but the public sector had gold plated pensions and it was nearly impossible to be sacked (I’m not joking), they changed the overall package, the roles became less attractive and salaries went up as required (on a par with private sector now)
Police pay is pretty decent in the UK, about 10 years back they used to advertise it in recruitment campaigns on TV (it was higher than people thought) as they were struggling to recruit.
salaries/packages will always come down to:
- scarcity of skill set needed
- perception of the job itself
- market need (I.e massive shortage)
a job that requires a high skill set, with a **** perception that is woefully under resourced will always pay more than a job that most people have the skill to do, that’s seen as a ‘nice’ job that is only having normal staff turnover......
In the uk we see that very clearly, historically the private sector used to pay more than the public sector but the public sector had gold plated pensions and it was nearly impossible to be sacked (I’m not joking), they changed the overall package, the roles became less attractive and salaries went up as required (on a par with private sector now)
Police pay is pretty decent in the UK, about 10 years back they used to advertise it in recruitment campaigns on TV (it was higher than people thought) as they were struggling to recruit.
salaries/packages will always come down to:
- scarcity of skill set needed
- perception of the job itself
- market need (I.e massive shortage)
a job that requires a high skill set, with a **** perception that is woefully under resourced will always pay more than a job that most people have the skill to do, that’s seen as a ‘nice’ job that is only having normal staff turnover......
muscleupcrohn
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Good points. Supply and demand cannot be ignored or overruled.
A job with a poor perception and/or inherent danger tends to increase pay, as less people want to do it. So if more and more people don't want to be officers, if it gets bad enough, to the point where the demand exceeds the supply, something will have to be done to increase the supply, either increasing pay (to get more people interested), or decreasing requirements (to make the potential pool of applicants bigger). I'm not a fan of the second approach, and I don't know if we're at the point yet where the first is necessary either, but we'll see if recent negative perception of officers leads to there not being enough new officers to meet the demand departments have for them.
Whisky
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precisely.
and lowered the skill set, whilst short term saving money has the potential to further damage perception (as more poor officers act in **** ways) which ultimately exacerbates the recruitment issue again, at which point you have to pay more for a lower standard of officer....
muscleupcrohn
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Your "since Google is always right" was why I was "defensive." I don't know why people have a hard time understanding that information from "Google" isn't inherently good or bad, right or wrong. Google is only a search engine that leads you to information on various sites. The info obtained from those sites can be good or bad, right or wrong. I can make a blog today that will show up on Google search results and say that the earth is flat, 400 years, old, and that there is currently a subterranean war going on between the crab people and the mole people to decide who will be the next rulers of the world. That doesn't mean it's even remotely correct. On the other hand, you can find official government pages on Google, or published and peer-reviewed academic journals, and published books, etc. Just like buying something on Amazon. It's not inherently a good or bad product. You can buy cheap garbage on Amazon, or you can buy ultra-premium goods. Amazon itself just sells third-party items, just as Google just gathers and displays third-party websites. It's really not that difficult of a concept to grasp, yet so many people seem to have trouble with it.
muscleupcrohn
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That's not very clever. You still have yet to live up to your original "goofle" name. You're a one-hit wonder. You're washed up man. Give it up already.
muscleupcrohn
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That's true. And if you have to pay out huge sums regularly in lawsuits when your unqualified officers mess up in stupid ways, you end up losing even more money, and further hurting their reputation, and also just generally doing a poor job of protecting and serving, which is, ultimately, the job of officers.
muscleupcrohn
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And you could be a spokesperson for ignorant trolls. Ironically, that's about the only subject you're an expert on.
mase1
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Not trying to mislead the topic but I just find it so strange when black on black violent crime is so high, about a month ago in Chicago 18 were killed in 24 hours. One city/ 24 hours, how is this a topic with a straight face when discussing police brutality. On average 100 million traffic stops, all death rates however you arrange the numbers are closer to zero than 1.
muscleupcrohn
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I mean, they're different topics. Yes, more people are killed by other civilians in gang violence and random acts of violence, but when someone is unjustly killed by someone who their tax dollars pay, someone that is supposed to protect and serve them, it hits differently, and leads to more outrage. The existence of another problem doesn't undermine another one, or mean it's not also a real problem. We can try to pass and promote police policies that try to reduce as many unjust police acts as possible, and to ensure what when a cop does act in a malicious way, that they are held accountable and responsible, and aren't in a position to do it again. Yes, it's a very small minority of officers who are bad, and you're more likely to be the victim of a random act of violence than a victim of unjust police violence, but they're two separate issues that have different solutions and different approaches for how we can try to reduce said risks.
Think about a different example. I bet that WAY more people are molested by family members than by Catholic priests, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to fix the issue of catholic priests until we eliminate other perverts and sexual predators. They're different issues, and even if one is more prevalent than the other, they should both be addressed, and often times have entirely different ways of going about solving them.
I hope that makes some sense.
Hilltern
Member
Lol. So I guess because I think we should both train and pay police more that somehow means I need to go in there and show them? God forbid we all just agree the men and women in blue need more training ffs. If people can’t get off their partisan high horses to enact some common sense reforms then we are doomed as a country.
mase1
Well-known member
Good points. There is a higher chance of a cop being killed by a black person than the other way around. Remember most of the people killed by cops are of the violent criminal background. Guess I am old school clean up your yard before you start blaming someone else. Plenty of white innocent people getting killed by cops but no one is forcing the agenda. I do love the over the top Trump commercial, good laugh.
thebigt
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go sign up...show us how it's done!!!
you seem to have the answers instead of talking the talk do some walking.
Hilltern
Member
Yup. I’m from SoFlo (PBC) and can confirm they get paid decent but the nationwide we can find a bunch of first responders paid low wages. Teachers is especially true. I remember one told me they made under $40k around 2014. And people wonder why we get low rankings in education compared to other countries. Market forces have not helped teachers at all and anyone with a brain knows we don’t live in a market as Adam Smith envisioned so applying some of those archaic principles and washing our hands of the issue has gotten us nowhere. We should mandate a minimum wage for teachers, scaling up at different education levels. If we can cut deals for large corporations that do stock buybacks instead of helping workers then hell we can help the people who help educate our youth!
Hilltern
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Sounds like the typical conservative response when they get at stumped tbh. I don’t see you coming up with any better ideas. Not like we’ll solve the country’s problems on this board at all but still.
thebigt
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you know what...i walked the walk, after viet nam the military was very unpopular and when i enlisted i lost a lot of friends and my mom's house even got egged because of my joining the military...so i can relate to what the majority of good cops must be going through.