Unanswered CEL Anabolic Effect - Natural Anabolic

I have a question and it’s bugging me as it doesn’t seem state. Does ActiGin require saturation period like something like BA or Creatine or would it be effective used sporadically?
 
sns8778 said:
If you're asking about the upcoming daily use ergogenic from SNS, it isn't out yet. We hope to have it out within the next couple of months. The formula and flavor samples are done, its just a matter of where it falls into the new release lineup.
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Did you release the name yet? I was absent for a bit so may have missed it
 
clevelandsae said:
is it ok to take this and mtest for 90 days? or does one need to drop off first?
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Def can .. I’m debating myself if I want to go 90-120days myself

So far 5weeks in
 
AndroRage said:
I have a question and it’s bugging me as it doesn’t seem state. Does ActiGin require saturation period like something like BA or Creatine or would it be effective used sporadically?
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Resolve10 said:
Should have acute benefits and longer term benefits.

Even with the acute benefits though it may take some time to notice the changes, since some are increased recovery benefits which would become more apparent as training continued.
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Great answer and correct.
 
aaronuconn said:
Did you release the name yet? I was absent for a bit so may have missed it
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We haven't released the name yet. We are hoping to release it in the next 3 months. It's not a matter of intentionally putting it off, its just that we have so many other things already scheduled to release.
 
Guys I have a question regarding the EPO boosting benefits of Anabolic Effect. It's a question I feel needs addressing.

How would this fair for someone on TRT with an already high/known cell count response to anabolics?

Is it liable to push hemoglobin/cell count levels up as much as synthetics? What is the stance/blood work on this subject?
 
James496 said:
Guys I have a question regarding the EPO boosting benefits of Anabolic Effect. It's a question I feel needs addressing.

How would this fair for someone on TRT with an already high/known cell count response to anabolics?

Is it liable to push hemoglobin/cell count levels up as much as synthetics? What is the stance/blood work on this subject?
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I wouldn't say that it or anything else would push counts up as much as synthetics. We have never had any reports of it being an issue in any way.

From a company perspective, we can't recommend that anyone take anything with TRT because we can't give medical advice. On the other hand, there are a lot of posts and we receive a lot of solid feedback from people on TRT that love Anabolic Effect.
 
Agree that would be imo best natty stack out there
 
To get my money’s worth, I’d probably just run X-Gels for the 50 days at 1.5g then follow that up with AE for 2-3 months. Maybe M-Test throughout
 
clevelandsae said:
very interesting. why the split? just to stretch the time?
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Yep, exactly. I think they are both outstanding natty products for LBM accrual that work through completely different mechanisms. So with that being said, I don’t see why it one shouldn’t stack them... I’d just rather have 4 months of great products then 2.

The argument could be made either way, that’s just how I’d approach it. And I’d certainly recommend that if a user hasn’t tried either product. Good to see how you respond to each one individually first before stacking.
 
clevelandsae said:
very interesting. why the split? just to stretch the time?
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Yep, exactly. I think they are both outstanding natty products for LBM accrual that work through completely different mechanisms. So with that being said, I don’t see why it one shouldn’t stack them... I’d just rather have 4 months of great products then 2.

The argument could be made either way, that’s just how I’d approach it. And I’d certainly recommend that if a user hasn’t tried either product. Good to see how you respond to each one individually first before stacking.
 
clevelandsae said:
if taking anabolic effect & mtest, any benefit to adding xgels to the stack?
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aaronuconn said:
To get my money’s worth, I’d probably just run X-Gels for the 50 days at 1.5g then follow that up with AE for 2-3 months. Maybe M-Test throughout
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clevelandsae said:
very interesting. why the split? just to stretch the time?
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aaronuconn said:
Yep, exactly. I think they are both outstanding natty products for LBM accrual that work through completely different mechanisms. So with that being said, I don’t see why it one shouldn’t stack them... I’d just rather have 4 months of great products then 2.

The argument could be made either way, that’s just how I’d approach it. And I’d certainly recommend that if a user hasn’t tried either product. Good to see how you respond to each one individually first before stacking.
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X-Gels would make a great stack with M-Test and Anabolic Effect.

Whether to stack them all or cycle between Anabolic Effect and X-Gels really just depends on budget.
For people that's budget allows, I'd stack them.

If you do decide to do like 12 weeks on Anabolic Effect followed by 50 days on X-Gels, you could also add Epi-Plex to the Anabolic Effect stack if you'd like. (I personally stay on M-Test myself).
 
I'm currently 5 weeks into Anabolic Effect + X-Gels at 2g + Alphamax XT stack and it's exceeding my humble expectations so far, I can definitely support the positive comments made in this thread on similar stacks including AE and X-Gels.

So much so that even though I initially planned this as a cycle for 8 weeks (approx. 40 workout days), I'm thinking of adding 4 more weeks on top - my understanding is that AE doesn't need to be cycled so often so 12 weeks on should be ok (correct?) and while X-Gels is usually recommended for 50 workouts I should be fine to stretch it to 60. Having said that, Alphamax should be cycled after 8 weeks (I believe primarily because of DHAA?) so I wonder what to add instead - any suggestions? Would Epi products be antagonistic with ArA (anti vs pro-inflammatory)?
 
DeafBat said:
I'm currently 5 weeks into Anabolic Effect + X-Gels at 2g + Alphamax XT stack and it's exceeding my humble expectations so far, I can definitely support the positive comments made in this thread on similar stacks including AE and X-Gels.

So much so that even though I initially planned this as a cycle for 8 weeks (approx. 40 workout days), I'm thinking of adding 4 more weeks on top - my understanding is that AE doesn't need to be cycled so often so 12 weeks on should be ok (correct?) and while X-Gels is usually recommended for 50 workouts I should be fine to stretch it to 60. Having said that, Alphamax should be cycled after 8 weeks (I believe primarily because of DHAA?) so I wonder what to add instead - any suggestions? Would Epi products be antagonistic with ArA (anti vs pro-inflammatory)?
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Correct on the AE (8-12 is recommended) and really no harm on Xgels either (for some it can jsut get rough on joints and such after than and was never formally studied beyond that, thus the "50 workouts" number)

can't speak to the alpha, but you could replace with something like either CEL M-Test or CEL Epi-plex. Only thing with the epi-plex would be to dose apart from the Xgels to mitigate the antagonism (as you said). Just by separating the dosing a bit, you should be fine (same as if you were taking fish oil or the like) as the interaction isnt dramatic enough to make much difference anyways. The epicat will also typically boost the effect of other supps, so you could likely get some extra out of the AE as well.
 
DeafBat said:
I'm currently 5 weeks into Anabolic Effect + X-Gels at 2g + Alphamax XT stack and it's exceeding my humble expectations so far, I can definitely support the positive comments made in this thread on similar stacks including AE and X-Gels.

So much so that even though I initially planned this as a cycle for 8 weeks (approx. 40 workout days), I'm thinking of adding 4 more weeks on top - my understanding is that AE doesn't need to be cycled so often so 12 weeks on should be ok (correct?) and while X-Gels is usually recommended for 50 workouts I should be fine to stretch it to 60. Having said that, Alphamax should be cycled after 8 weeks (I believe primarily because of DHAA?) so I wonder what to add instead - any suggestions? Would Epi products be antagonistic with ArA (anti vs pro-inflammatory)?
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That's great to hear that you're enjoying your stack so much.
Thank you for posting and sharing.

X-Gels - I think would be fine stretching it to 60 workouts. The directions on X-Gels and the way it was originally normally used was 50 consecutive days, not just workout days. There are a lot of people though that use it only on workout days.

Anabolic Effect - 12 weeks should be fine. 8 to 12 weeks is what most people are running on that and we've started to see more and more start doing 16 weeks because they are saying the results are still going strong or increasing at the end of their cycle. So much so that it's convinced me myself to do 16 weeks on my upcoming cycle (hopefully starting Sunday).

Epi-Plex - I think its fine to take with Arachidonic Acid/X-Gels. I would just space the dosages out.
 
@booneman77 @sns8778 - thanks for the responses.

The ingredient profile (including the dosages) on M-Test is actually quite insane (in a good way, especially for mood and libido I can imagine) and I'm positive people will see great results from it but I'm gonna pass for now, only because I already take 4 of the ingredients (L-Dopa, Ashwagandha, Shilajit, Tongkat Ali) as part of my Nootropics mix.

I'll go with Epi-Plex and do as you suggest and dose away from X-Gels. I'll probably pick up 2 bottles and also 2 bottle of AE and see if I can make it a 16 weeks run like this:

Week 1-4 AE + X-Gels + Alphamax
Week 4-8 AE + X-Gels + Alphamax
Week 8-12 AE + X-Gels + Epi-Plex
Week 12-16 AE + Epi-Plex

I've seen some people run ArA on consecutive days but it always looked like a minority to me, I've done ArA twice before and only on workout days, maybe I'll try to switch it up next time - or maybe do the last weeks 8-12 everyday? Also would you recommend going over 2g dosage?
 
DeafBat said:
@booneman77 @sns8778 - thanks for the responses.

The ingredient profile (including the dosages) on M-Test is actually quite insane (in a good way, especially for mood and libido I can imagine) and I'm positive people will see great results from it but I'm gonna pass for now, only because I already take 4 of the ingredients (L-Dopa, Ashwagandha, Shilajit, Tongkat Ali) as part of my Nootropics mix.

I'll go with Epi-Plex and do as you suggest and dose away from X-Gels. I'll probably pick up 2 bottles and also 2 bottle of AE and see if I can make it a 16 weeks run like this:

Week 1-4 AE + X-Gels + Alphamax
Week 4-8 AE + X-Gels + Alphamax
Week 8-12 AE + X-Gels + Epi-Plex
Week 12-16 AE + Epi-Plex

I've seen some people run ArA on consecutive days but it always looked like a minority to me, I've done ArA twice before and only on workout days, maybe I'll try to switch it up next time - or maybe do the last weeks 8-12 everyday? Also would you recommend going over 2g dosage?
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Personally I've never even had to go to 2g (I stay at 1.5g) so I can't comment on the increase in effect, but I haven't heard of anyone dosing higher and having dramatically better results (I believe @Danes used it higher, but don't think he found it to be measurably better... really just a cost:benefit question).

I also only dose on workout days (typically 6/wk though for me) and really can't see any reason to dose on off days as the amount absorbed without the "shuttling" that occurs during lifting would likely minimize any additional benefit. Again, cost:benefit seems to not be there for this unless you're taking 3-4 days in a row off.

That layout looks awesome though!
 
DeafBat said:
@booneman77 @sns8778 - thanks for the responses.

The ingredient profile (including the dosages) on M-Test is actually quite insane (in a good way, especially for mood and libido I can imagine) and I'm positive people will see great results from it but I'm gonna pass for now, only because I already take 4 of the ingredients (L-Dopa, Ashwagandha, Shilajit, Tongkat Ali) as part of my Nootropics mix.

I'll go with Epi-Plex and do as you suggest and dose away from X-Gels. I'll probably pick up 2 bottles and also 2 bottle of AE and see if I can make it a 16 weeks run like this:

Week 1-4 AE + X-Gels + Alphamax
Week 4-8 AE + X-Gels + Alphamax
Week 8-12 AE + X-Gels + Epi-Plex
Week 12-16 AE + Epi-Plex

I've seen some people run ArA on consecutive days but it always looked like a minority to me, I've done ArA twice before and only on workout days, maybe I'll try to switch it up next time - or maybe do the last weeks 8-12 everyday? Also would you recommend going over 2g dosage?
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Resolve gave a good reply above about ARA. I think that some people may notice better results by dosing it daily and some may not.

Overall, your 16 week layout looks great to me. On my own 16 week run, I'm going to be doing Anabolic Effect & Epi-Plex and I already use M-Test daily plus other basics. And I rotate VasoForce XT and Super Swole for my pre, based mainly on whether I have time to make a drink or just pop some pills. I'm sure I'll add in another thing or two during the run but that's going to be my foundation I believe.
 
Perseus49 said:
Debating on getting vector or Anabolic Effect. Never used either. Whats your take on both?
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Anabolic has the three ingredients in Vector, double the Korean Mistletoe dosage, plus 4 branded ingredients that all have clinical studies on them - PrimaVie, ActiGin, AstraGin, and S7.
 
sns8778 said:
Anabolic has the three ingredients in Vector, double the Korean Mistletoe dosage, plus 4 branded ingredients that all have clinical studies on them - PrimaVie, ActiGin, AstraGin, and S7.
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Gotta agree here that AE is basically more+better. For the price, its a no-brainer to go with Anabolic Effect assuming they're pretty close.
 
Alright so i had planned on running 3 bottles of AE but after 2 i decided to go for 4 bottles. WELL, because of Covid my bottle has yet to arrive, we are talking almost 4 weeks from the UK to Sweden and im running out of AE!

If i go 2-3 days without and then get my bottle should i just continue or will it be better to save it for my next run. Because there will be a next run as this is the best natural anabolic ive ever tried.

Second question is then, how long should of a break should i take before its ok to start a new 4 bottle run?
 
TheMrMuscle said:
Alright so i had planned on running 3 bottles of AE but after 2 i decided to go for 4 bottles. WELL, because of Covid my bottle has yet to arrive, we are talking almost 4 weeks from the UK to Sweden and im running out of AE!

If i go 2-3 days without and then get my bottle should i just continue or will it be better to save it for my next run. Because there will be a next run as this is the best natural anabolic ive ever tried.

Second question is then, how long should of a break should i take before its ok to start a new 4 bottle run?
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2-3 days is no biggie .. I’ve missed my days due to busy schedule and strength/gains picks up right after

I would give anywhere from 4-8weeks

I’m sure this stuff can be ran year along but I prefer a min 4weeka break

@sns8778 what’s your thought on all year around ?
 
Perseus49 said:
Debating on getting vector or Anabolic Effect. Never used either. Whats your take on both?
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Go with AE .. way for your bucks and can find it at same price or even cheaper dps $40/bottle

Or if your on monthly budget and want is ASAP .. amazon prime is a great option for $43 1-2day delivery
 
TheMrMuscle said:
Alright so i had planned on running 3 bottles of AE but after 2 i decided to go for 4 bottles. WELL, because of Covid my bottle has yet to arrive, we are talking almost 4 weeks from the UK to Sweden and im running out of AE!

If i go 2-3 days without and then get my bottle should i just continue or will it be better to save it for my next run. Because there will be a next run as this is the best natural anabolic ive ever tried.

Second question is then, how long should of a break should i take before its ok to start a new 4 bottle run?
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As GQ said, 2-3 days is no issue with no AE. It's pretty flexible though, so holding onto the other 2 bottles for your next run is also a solid option
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
Go with AE .. way for your bucks and can find it at same price or even cheaper dps $40/bottle

Or if your on monthly budget and want is ASAP .. amazon prime is a great option for $43 1-2day delivery
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Agreed with this. I'd go with AE but truthfully both are awesome natural anabolic products worth a try so it wouldn't hurt to pick up both. You will use them eventually :)
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
Go with AE .. way for your bucks and can find it at same price or even cheaper dps $40/bottle

Or if your on monthly budget and want is ASAP .. amazon prime is a great option for $43 1-2day delivery
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Amazon Prime is shipping things to you in 1-2 days again?! I’m still waiting 1-2 weeks for orders from them. #firstworldproblems lol
 
GreenMachineX said:
Amazon Prime is shipping things to you in 1-2 days again?! I’m still waiting 1-2 weeks for orders from them. #firstworldproblems lol
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bahhaa yup no issues here .. i think one of my underarour shirt was 1 day late the most lol
 
TheMrMuscle said:
Alright so i had planned on running 3 bottles of AE but after 2 i decided to go for 4 bottles. WELL, because of Covid my bottle has yet to arrive, we are talking almost 4 weeks from the UK to Sweden and im running out of AE!

If i go 2-3 days without and then get my bottle should i just continue or will it be better to save it for my next run. Because there will be a next run as this is the best natural anabolic ive ever tried.

Second question is then, how long should of a break should i take before its ok to start a new 4 bottle run?
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No issues skipping (sometimes it just happens anyways ha)

For the break, realistically there's no set time... I'd say roughly 2 weeks or so should be plenty to just let things settle a bit, 4 weeks if you're coming off a long run of multiple items or something.
 
TheMrMuscle said:
Alright so i had planned on running 3 bottles of AE but after 2 i decided to go for 4 bottles. WELL, because of Covid my bottle has yet to arrive, we are talking almost 4 weeks from the UK to Sweden and im running out of AE!

If i go 2-3 days without and then get my bottle should i just continue or will it be better to save it for my next run. Because there will be a next run as this is the best natural anabolic ive ever tried.

Second question is then, how long should of a break should i take before its ok to start a new 4 bottle run?
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I'm glad to hear that you are so pleased with it.

If your bottle arrives within a few days of being off, I would continue on taking it.

I don't think there is really a set answer to question #2. People always say to cycle off of natural anabolics but there's really not much scientific reason to for things like Anabolic Effect. I think that's why we saw people go from 8 weeks to 12 weeks and now 16 weeks is common. Many of the ingredients in there like AstraGin, ActiGin, S7, and PrimaVie can be used as parts of daily supplement regimens.
 
Just to share, DPS seems to be doing 25% off currently for CEL products. Believe the standard for their site is 20%. Might save a few bucks for people placing big orders.
 
Em3 said:
Just to share, DPS seems to be doing 25% off currently for CEL products. Believe the standard for their site is 20%. Might save a few bucks for people placing big orders.
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oh yea the additional 5% helps alot .. buying 3 comes down to $40/piece
 
Em3 said:
Just to share, DPS seems to be doing 25% off currently for CEL products. Believe the standard for their site is 20%. Might save a few bucks for people placing big orders.
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Nice catch! SOmeties its hard to keep up with DPS's sales becuase they ALWAYS have something going on haha
 
Avengeme said:
Any issues using this alongside a curcumin supplement? Better yet, are there any supplements to avoid while taking AE?
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No issues with curcumin .. i run curcumin365 days .. and didnt notice any negative effects .. nope Mtest & AE was designed to be stacked with other stuff

Only thing i would look for is overlap of ingredients

This panedemic have hit SNS a little but hopefully will still have curcumin in our future lineup .. love the stuff, esp if you can find a nice source :)
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
No issues with curcumin .. i run curcumin365 days .. and didnt notice any negative effects .. nope Mtest & AE was designed to be stacked with other stuff

Only thing i would look for is overlap of ingredients

This panedemic have hit SNS a little but hopefully will still have curcumin in our future lineup .. love the stuff, esp if you can find a nice source :)
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Ok awesome. Thanks for the quick reply!
 
Got my 2 bottles! but will wait till I go fully back to the gym to start.
Gym opens next week but I want to run the bottles without vacations interfering in it. End of July, beginning of August. So i'll wait till August...
OR...can I run one bottle and leave the next one for later? it's better if I run it consecutively, right?

Also another question, how many bottles can I run AE? after how many bottles I should take a break and for how long?

Thanks in advance!
 
wizardsz said:
Got my 2 bottles! but will wait till I go fully back to the gym to start.
Gym opens next week but I want to run the bottles without vacations interfering in it. End of July, beginning of August. So i'll wait till August...
OR...can I run one bottle and leave the next one for later? it's better if I run it consecutively, right?

Also another question, how many bottles can I run AE? after how many bottles I should take a break and for how long?

Thanks in advance!
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You def want to run them back to back as this stuff builds up and just gets better and better.

8-12 weeks should be minimum

i currently have had 2 pple on it for over 5+ months and they are loving it .. so thats always a debate and varies

seeing more and more pple run natural stuff all year around .. ive seen it being stacked with hormonals and even helps out there ..so good stuff overall.
 
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