I will ignore silly.
“Oops, my bad. Guess we should’ve tightened up more.”On the Covid note:
Sweden admits it would have done more to lock down ‘if we knew what we know today’
‘There is quite obviously a potential for improvement in what we have done in Sweden,’ says state epidemiologist Anders Tegnellwww.independent.co.uk
Don't be so hard on yourself. It was convincing.“Oops, my bad. Guess we should’ve tightened up more.”
I feel like you are falling for the media hype quite a bit here and trying to pin it on one guy.Don't be so hard on yourself. It was convincing.
Sweden & South Korea
Others were holding Sweden up as a good example, and people did listen to that mistakenly.
I used South Korea because they responded quickly, and everyone conformed to the test and contact tracking which is what was needed here on a nationally driven level, but then again, Trump said no. States are responsible... That's not how one leads a country through a pandemic.
Keyword: Sooner
I think the keyword is sooner, not more per se, but Trump was warned the seriousness by intel and other organizations about Covid-19. He knew but ignored the science. He doesn't understand the science, and he doesn't care either.
36,000 at least
So, if we had responded one week earlier. 1 week. 36,000 more would be alive today in the USA.
How anyone can't hold him responsible for this alone, is just ignoring facts.
108,000 American lives and counting
I'd ask everyone in here to be honest. If it were another president. How would you feel about the response?
I'd be f*cking p*ssed no matter who it was, but then again President Obama had a plan, Trump's team tore up, and don't have anything but some binder with nothing in it. Go ahead and Trust him with your life. I wouldn't. He doesn't care.
Trump's Covid-19 Plan
Where is that plan? Did they publish it? I'd love to see a link to it...
The CDC Plan was shelved and shut down too, but it leaked.
the people who traveled to and from China during the travel ban were American Citizens allowed to come home and likewise, those traveling to were Chinese citizens and high level dignitaries. This has been shown time and time again.The Washington Post reported that 300,000 people traveled to the U.S. from China during the month prior to the ban. The New York Times reported that more than 40,000 persons traveled from China to the U.S. after the January 31 partial ban, and around 430,000 total between the December 31 disclosure of the outbreak by China and April 4.
So after you play the WHO card all along now you pretend you could care less about the WHO...“Oops, my bad. Guess we should’ve tightened up more.”
And I agree the responsibility falls on him. And he made a call, before anyone else, and they fought him and he still did it. And he reduced travel to and from China precipitously, in spite of the heavy, unfounded criticism. He made the call. He reduced travel from 300,000 in 30 days to 130,000 in 90 days. It worked, it should have come sooner, and he should have had more support.The responsibility lies with the President. Nobody else.
He always has other people take the fall for him. Even Barr ordered the tear gas and rubber bullets so he could take a photo op with the Bible. But it was his order in reality. Of course Barr will bear that cross... along with other things he's done for the President.
Yes, I take that math to show that the ban slowed travel dramatically - so he DID take actions, even though he got called racist and xenophobic for doing it. And he delivered with those actions.the people who traveled to and from China during the travel ban were American Citizens allowed to come home and likewise, those traveling to were Chinese citizens and high level dignitaries. This has been shown time and time again.
This statement about FL is misguided and not true. FL has one of the lowest infection rates in the country as well - and about a 4.4% death rate so far. But having a low death rate isn't an indication that staying open works. Everyone stayed open when the death rates were low. Just like Sweden now, it isn't until the body count rises that they are forced to see reality.So after you play the WHO card all along now you pretend you could care less about the WHO...
WHO lauds lockdown-ignoring Sweden as a ‘model’ for countries going forward
The World Health Organization lauded Sweden as a “model” for battling the coronavirus as countries lift lockdowns — after the nation controversially refused restrictions. Dr. Mike Ryan,…nypost.com
oh look its from a total liberal rag too.. the NYPOST.
quit.. just quit.
BTW… and you probably wouldn't know this.. But FL did the very same thing as Sweden and low and behold.. they have the lowest death rate in the country.
Again .. just stop with the fear mongering.
Why are you mad that President Trump is fighting white supremacists with tear gas and rubber bullets? You are quite the contradiction.The responsibility lies with the President. Nobody else.
He always has other people take the fall for him. Even Barr ordered the tear gas and rubber bullets so he could take a photo op with the Bible. But it was his order in reality. Of course Barr will bear that cross... along with other things he's done for the President.
What has Trump done that’s been good?All presidents can be second guessed but Trump has done a good job considering what he has faced. First 3 years he was excellent. Again I will vote for the best candidate but clearly Biden is not an option for anyone.
To be fair, if we learned anything from 2016, it’s polls are stupid and can’t be trusted.National GE:
Biden 47% (+10)
Trump 37%
Reuters/Ipsos 6/1-2
Nothing to worry about then. Right?To be fair, if we learned anything from 2016, it’s polls are stupid and can’t be trusted.
I don’t think Biden wins regardless of what the polls say. I think a large portion of Trump voters don’t respond to polls. Personally, I believe both Biden and Truck suck but here we are shrugNothing to worry about then. Right?
What has Trump done that’s been good?
We will have vastly different opinions on the supreme court. A Supreme Court stacked one way, regardless of which way, is dangerous to the people. Supreme Court justices should not be partisan.View attachment 194497
feel free to go line by line and explain why you don't agree with these. I will wait...
How is “64 executive orders” inherently good?View attachment 194497
feel free to go line by line and explain why you don't agree with these. I will wait...
How is “64 executive orders” inherently good?View attachment 194497
feel free to go line by line and explain why you don't agree with these. I will wait...
So, let me know....What has Trump done that’s been good?
What does that even mean?
Both sides rule according to the constitution as written. They just have different interpretations of the constitution. As an attorney that thinks both Republicans and Democrats are morons, I’m going to have a drastically different few on this than most people here on this subjectSupreme Court justices politically biased?? The worst example of this was RBG who made direct personal statements against Trump. He could easily demand her recusal from every decision affecting him moving forward. LOL
Putting in justices who rule according to the Constitution as written is one of the best things Trump could have done.
Getting us out of the stupid Paris Accord was even better!
Obviously not going to comment on all:So, I get that some of the stuff on the list above is probably debatable as "good" based on your views, but that was posted as a response to:
So, let me know....
-Consumer confidence at 17 year high
-Women In Entrepreneurship Act
-Promoting buying and hiring American
-Reducing ILLEGAL immigration
-Sanctioning Iran over their missile program
-Renegotiating NAFTA
-Creating a task force to reduce crime
-The commission on opioid addiction
-Combating human trafficking
-Reducing White house payroll
-Donating his Presidential salary
-A trade deal with China
-Designating North Korea as a terrorist state
-Taking away ISIS territory
How is any of that not good? Or is there some way to just say, "He is responsible" when things go bad, "But everyone else is responsible" when something good happens?
And I'm not even including things like the Border Wall - which I believe are good but understand a lot of people don't think the government is responsible for defending its borders.
Some good points, not that I agree with all of them, but some good thoughts and well said. I agree that both sides bash - I feel like the impeachment trial was a highlight of this - what the republicans thought was OK for Clinton wasn't OK for Trump and what the Dems thought wasn't OK for Clinton was OK for Trump. The arguments all remained the same, but everyone switched sides.Obviously not going to comment on all:
Donating his salary is a facade. He makes exponentially more golfing at his own resorts than his presidential salary. While I have no issue with a president taking a mental health day - especially considering every president ages about 75 years in the 8 year term - spending taxpayer money at a resort that you profit from is a textbook conflict of interest.
Like it or not, America NEEDS illegal immigration. A huge part of our economy requires the cheap labor. It’s a necessary evil. I don’t believe all, or even most, illegal immigrants want to rape, pillage, and plunder. There are flaws in the immigration system, sure, but there are also massive barriers that need to be reformed, too. This is true of most government programs (I understand immigration isn’t a government program, but couldn’t think of the right word). The focus needs to be on getting rid of those who are committing crimes - and not petty crimes - and keeping them out.
I don’t like the federal government making a task force to “reduce crime”. I don’t think that’s the federal governments place. I think the FBI is constitutionally tenuous as is.
As far as bringing jobs back, I like the concept and believe on average, American goods are better, stronger, and more reliable than their Chinese counterparts. Now I may have a strange view, but I think we should spend less time focusing on bringing jobs “back” to America and more time focusing on how to keep the jobs we currently have and create new ones in the future. There are something like 4,000,000 truck drivers in the US. Autonomous vehicles will put them out of work. Fast food (a topic for another day) is already being automated. Brick and mortar retail jobs employ something like 2-3M people. Online shopping will do away with a large portion of those jobs. Is bringing manufacturing jobs back to America at the cost of rising production costs a good thing when we don’t protect/future proof the current jobs American’s have? I don’t think bringing back typically unionized manufacturing jobs is best for the American economy going forward.
And to be fair, Obama got the blame from Fox News (which is just as bad as CNN but on the opposite spectrum) and conservatives no matter what he did. The dude wore a khaki suit and it was a huge ordeal. A khaki fucking suit.
I wasn’t a huge Obama fan. I don’t think he accomplished much. He shouldn’t have bailed out the banks. Obamacare has some great things - such as coverage for preexisting conditions and no spending caps. Privatizing healthcare was stupid, and though it was mainly a republican idea, Medicare for all isn’t the answer, either.
This is nothing against Trump, but historically, we get rid of one terrorist group and we immediately find another. **** isis and we can take all their land without me losing any sleep, but who’s going to be the next “terrorist” group for Halliburton to make gajillions on?
Consumer confidence was rising with Obama, but I have no issue saying it continued to rise with Trump. Same with stock market/unemployment. I do believe it takes a few years for a president’s policies to start to show, and he’s been in about 4.
Opioids addiction is bad and, this may be liberal of me, but it’s probably too big of an issue for state governments to take individually. I actually read a neat article that scientists have discovered several molecules that are attributed to chronic pain and believe they can make medicine that targets those molecules to prevent pain and get the public away from opioids. Of course, I don’t trust a pharmaceutical company to make a safe drug which is why I’d rather die than take a COVID vaccine if it’s released this year. Or next year. Or the following year. Maybe in 10 years.
Was all that directed at me? Not sure what fear mongering or how I ever played the WHO card...So after you play the WHO card all along now you pretend you could care less about the WHO...
WHO lauds lockdown-ignoring Sweden as a ‘model’ for countries going forward
The World Health Organization lauded Sweden as a “model” for battling the coronavirus as countries lift lockdowns — after the nation controversially refused restrictions. Dr. Mike Ryan,…nypost.com
oh look its from a total liberal rag too.. the NYPOST.
quit.. just quit.
BTW… and you probably wouldn't know this.. But FL did the very same thing as Sweden and low and behold.. they have the lowest death rate in the country.
Again .. just stop with the fear mongering.
We don’t have to agree on everything, but the fact you’re willing to listen and try and see a different perspective is something both sides severely lack. So thank you, I appreciate and respect that.Some good points, not that I agree with all of them, but some good thoughts and well said. I agree that both sides bash - I feel like the impeachment trial was a highlight of this - what the republicans thought was OK for Clinton wasn't OK for Trump and what the Dems thought wasn't OK for Clinton was OK for Trump. The arguments all remained the same, but everyone switched sides.
I will disagree about illegal immigration. We don't need it. Now if you want to say we need to reform immigration policies and allow for more efficient LEGAL immigration, with more control - I would discuss that. But of course, illegal immigrants, by definition, are criminals and we don't need them. And migrating across boarders illegally is not a petty crime and would result in potentially lethal force being used against you in certain countries.
Also, you can say donating his salary is a facade, and sure - he is making money still. He'll be a'ight. But he still doesn't have to do it. And that is kind of the point, when he does something good, it isn't good because it isn't good enough - and that's just not a reasonable approach.
But you're right - every president has faced this to some degree. George Washington himself wouldn't leave the White House during his second term...because he couldn't stand all of the criticism.
The point is, whether you want to say it wasn't good enough, or was a facade, or make an argument that it wasn't what you want - the guy has accomplished a few things and it isn't like he's not doing anything at all.
Well, you had a reasonable, well laid out approach...thank you as well. Like you said, we don't have to agree. It's good to have debate and I've learned a lot on here from people who debate on this board. Actually, some of the most hard fought debates have turned out to teach me the most and some of the people on here who I disagree with the most are also people I respect the most. Like you said, sometimes you have to be willing to listen, and be reasonable. But sometimes, we all lose it! I'm no exception, that's for sure.We don’t have to agree on everything, but the fact you’re willing to listen and try and see a different perspective is something both sides severely lack. So thank you, I appreciate and respect that.
Brother, I wish you would look at the situation from a more balanced standpoint. That's all I will say. You are being misled by some media sources which have certain aims, which are not necessarily in your best interest. Please discern.The responsibility lies with the President. Nobody else.
He always has other people take the fall for him. Even Barr ordered the tear gas and rubber bullets so he could take a photo op with the Bible. But it was his order in reality. Of course Barr will bear that cross... along with other things he's done for the President.
What did he do to get “banned”? There’s a lot of back and forth on any political thread like thisNothing to worry about then. Right?
I suppose it could have been anything in any of the forums. He was kind of unhinged with the whole uber-liberal thing.What did he do to get “banned”? There’s a lot of back and forth on any political thread like this
Who got banned? I can't figure it outI suppose it could have been anything in any of the forums. He was kind of unhinged with the whole uber-liberal thing.
Looking at the names/logos on left side and the title underneath (member, etc), it appears that Justhere4comm got banned.Who got banned? I can't figure it out
Justhere4comm - not sure what happened. He and I disagree on the politics, and we both can go overboard...but I still like his input, even if he gets me worked up with some of it.Who got banned? I can't figure it out
The scarlet letter. Mark of shame.Looking at the names/logos on left side and the title underneath (member, etc), it appears that Justhere4comm got banned.
Oooo, I'm not super surprised. He didn't bother me in the slightest. Honestly I think a lot of his argument posts were just to push ppls buttons and I kinda get a kick out of that. But I had a feeling he was going to piss off too many ppl and get the banhammerJusthere4comm - not sure what happened. He and I disagree on the politics, and we both can go overboard...but I still like his input, even if he gets me worked up with some of it.
He did bother me but I still do feel a little sad that he's been banned. I have real difficulty with some of the more involved leftist viewpoints.Oooo, I'm not super surprised. He didn't bother me in the slightest. Honestly I think a lot of his argument posts were just to push ppls buttons and I kinda get a kick out of that. But I had a feeling he was going to piss off too many ppl and get the banhammer
Yup. And chances are he will just try to pass blame and do something like stupid, like saying it was your fault.Today, I was riding my bike and fell off my bike......
THIS IS TRUMP'S FAULT!
Are you sure it wasn't racism? It could have been racism.Today, I was riding my bike and fell off my bike......
THIS IS TRUMP'S FAULT!
Believe me, I understand. Politics and religion are very touchy subjects for many ppl. I'm just one of those people that don't care enough to be bothered by those things. Anywho. Il let y'all get back to your thing and keep watching from the sidelinesHe did bother me but I still do feel a little sad that he's been banned. I have real difficulty with some of the more involved leftist viewpoints.