I know it’s predecessor M1T had one of the highest anabolic ratios of any steroid. Curious, does anyone know the anabolic ratio for it’s “son” M1 Alpha. I know it only converts to M1T at about 25 percent so it couldn’t be near as high as M1T.
I do!Who cares...
We would LOVE for those ratios to mean something.I do!
Well, I do have a copy of the Vida book that has every listed steroid every and their A:A ratio, but I'd have to know the exact name of the molecule and depending on the nomenclature, what they called it in the book. As a matter of fact, I found it on Google Books and you can hunt for it yourself for free so I don't have to.Oh boy, this is right up @StarScream66 alley
It's an $800 book.Well, I do have a copy of the Vida book that has every listed steroid every and their A:A ratio, but I'd have to know the exact name of the molecule and depending on the nomenclature, what they called it in the book. As a matter of fact, I found it on Google Books and you can hunt for it yourself for free so I don't have to.
Androgens and Anabolic Agents
books.google.com
But, honestly, those values aren't really that applicable to real word scenarios, since they testing methods used testing said steroid only on the levator ani organ in rats - not skeletal muscle.
I have friends in high places. William Llewellyn just sent me a brand new copy of his Anabolics 11th edition and it looks excellent, I haven't had the chance to crack it open yet. If you're looking for any specific books, let me know. I'll PM you a copy of the Vida book in PDF format.It's an $800 book.
Where did you get it? (Published 1969)
I don't believe that's correct, but I could be wrong. I believe it's 1-methyl-1DHEA, which is a two step conversion to 1-test. But it is a 4 carbon atom steroid in itself and can bind to the androgen receptor on it's own.Methyl 1 andostenediol is 1 step conversion to methyl 1 testosterone. M1A is active on its own and binds to the androgen receptor. Other than trestolone it's strongest designer steroid currently available that's not a controlled substance
Do you agree with him on his point that it is the strongest steroid on the gray market still sold by some supplement companies in the USA?I don't believe that's correct, but I could be wrong. I believe it's 1-methyl-1DHEA, which is a two step conversion to 1-test. But it is a 4 carbon atom steroid in itself and can bind to the androgen receptor on it's own.
M1A or Alpha 1 is methyl 1 anrdostenediol. I don't know what compound you're talking about. Methyl 1 androstenediol is Methyl 1 androstenediol.I don't believe that's correct, but I could be wrong. I believe it's 1-methyl-1DHEA, which is a two step conversion to 1-test. But it is a 4 carbon atom steroid in itself and can bind to the androgen receptor on it's own.
Ok, but 1-andro has been on the DEA scheduled list since like 2005. So, it must be sold in gray/black market sellers because there's no way it could be sold openly like that. I assumed it was 1-methyl-1DHEA because when I searched for what the ingredients were it came back as Methyl-1-Etiocholenolol-Epietiocholanolone, which is not androstenediol, but the two step conversion of 1DHEA. But maybe that's just nomenclature that I'm not following.Methyl 1 etiochoenolol is Methyl 1 androstenediol or M1A. A designer steroid that has been sold online by retailers for 15 years. It's not new
Strongest is kind of an ambiguous term. It depends on what you want to base that assessment on. If you look at the anabolic to androgenic ratio numbers, like I mentioned above, those were just tested on rat prostates and the levator ani, and that really doesn't apply to real world because it was never tested on skeletal muscle in humans.Do you agree with him on his point that it is the strongest steroid on the gray market still sold by some supplement companies in the USA?
Source: Anabolics 11th ed by William LlewellynSide Effects (Estrogenic):
Although not studied, it is believed that the ody does not appreciably aromatize methyl-1-testosterone. It is of note, however, that this steroid likely has inherent progestational activity. The side effects associated with progesterone are similar to those of estrogen, including negative feedback inhibition of testosterone production and enhanced rate of fat storage. Progestins also augment the stimulatory effect of estrogens onmammary tissue growth. There appears to be a strong synergy between these two hormones here, such that gynecomastia might even occur with the help of progestins, without excessive estrogen levels. The use of anti-estrogen, which inhibits the estrogenic component of this disorder, is often sufficient to mitigate gynecomastia caused by progestational anabolic/androgenic steroids.
Bud this compound has been discussed at length for over 10 years on this forum. It's been logged, reviewed and explained at length by chemist henryV and Patrick Arnold who were both board member and chemists. Search this forum for all the infoYou're right, I don't know a lot about this compound, but I know a lot about DHB aka 1-test and M1T. If this is a precursor to this, it acts in the same way. There doesn't appear to be a lot of information out there about this drug. But I can tell you for a fact that 1-androstenediol/dione are both scheduled drugs under the DEA's scheduling list, and as this is just a methylated form it could be considered a salt of that drug and potentially be banned as well. But, you may know more about it than me. As a consumer it would be nothing to be worried about, in legal terms, as they only go after suppliers and not consumers.
I have never seen it sold openly anywhere, but I haven't looked around for it.
The only real mention of it on a Google search is that M&M article you linked which only references "Roberts, S (2009). Anabolic Pharmacology.". I'll have to see if I can find a copy of that and see if there is any actual research on this compound.
However, I did read through the profile for M1T in Anabolics 11th ed and found the following:
Methyl-1-testosterone
Source: Anabolics 11th ed by William Llewellyn
I understand what you're saying, but all I'm trying to say is that it is potentially illegal. Anyway, that's basically just theoretical. If it's been sold for that long, I can only guess it's just not on the FDA/DEA's radar.Bud this compound has been discussed at length for over 10 years on this forum. It's been logged, reviewed and explained at length by chemist henryV and Patrick Arnold who were both board member and chemists. Search this forum for all the info
Source: Anabolic Pharmacology by Seth Roberts 200917-ALPHA-METHYL-I-ANDROSTENEDJOL
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17-alpha-methyI-I-androstenediol
17-alpha-methyl-l-androstenediol is a prohormone that is not listed in the 2004 legislation. This prohormone is the diol version of methyl-I-testosterone and requires conversion to be fully active although it does have some activity in its own right. Only a portion of the dose taken will convert to methyl-I-test but because methyl-I-test is so potent a dose of only 20 mg of the prohormone seems to be sufficient to produce gains. This prohormone is toxic to the liver but at doses of 20 mg the
toxicity should be no more than effective doses of methandrostenolone. This prohonnone will likely convert at a rate of 10 to 20%, therefore, a dose of 20 mg of the prohormone will deliver a dose of 2 to 4 mg of MIT. This dose of MIT, along with the activity of the prohormone itself, produces significant gains without the side effects that many were experiencing with larger doses of MIT. The anabolic to androgenic ratio of this prohormone show it to be four times as anabolic as methyltestosterone with about the same level of androgenic activity. Neither the prohormone or MIT can convert to estrogenic metabolites through the actions of aromatase. Both however, are likely to inhibit II-betahydroxylase resulting in water retention and elevated blood pressure not to mention all of the potential androgenic side effects.
Strongest in terms of what?Methyl 1 androstenediol is 1 step conversion to methyl 1 testosterone. M1A is active on its own and binds to the androgen receptor. Other than trestolone it's strongest designer steroid currently available that's not a controlled substance
Strongest in terms of what?
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Weight and size gainz
You're asking me how to use the "search tool" of anabolic minds forum? You're a smart fellowI understand what you're saying, but all I'm trying to say is that it is potentially illegal. Anyway, that's basically just theoretical. If it's been sold for that long, I can only guess it's just not on the FDA/DEA's radar.
I can dig up the thread's you're talking about, because I would love to learn more about it. Should I just search for "M1AD" by username 'Patrick Arnold', or is there one specific thread you can point me too.
It definitely sounds like you know a lot more about it than me, so I'm not trying to call you out or try and post false info myself. What I was posting above was based on not being sure what it was, but regardless, it still converts to methyl-1T and the info for 1T and M1T are still valid.
Thanks,
-SS
For me personally, zero weight or size gained on m1a. But I get really strong and a good pump on it. I'm not saying you can't get big on it. I've seen multiple people say they did but not me. I find dmz and msten better for sizeWeight and size gainz
Oh and I tried it up to 90mg pre workout. Got nothing from it lower then 60. So when I use it now, strictly pre workout at 60-90mg on a day I'm trying to set a pr or break out a slump45 mg of M1A for 4-6 weeks and 15-20 lbs gainz is common. Some go up to 60 mg. 30-45 mgs transdermal trestolone can give 15-20 lbs in short amount of time as well
I thought you might give me a keyword to aid in my search, instead of hunting through possibly hundreds of threads for it. There's no need to get passive aggressive about it.You're asking me how to use the "search tool" of anabolic minds forum? You're a smart fellow
Like I said, they only go after vendors, not consumers. I sent a tweet to Rick Collins to ask about it. I'll post what he says if he replies.FDA DEA radar? Lmao. Maybe you shouldn't purchase it if your concern is if it's "illegal".
If you gained zero weight and size it was definitely bunk. What brand M1A did you run?For me personally, zero weight or size gained on m1a. But I get really strong and a good pump on it. I'm not saying you can't get big on it. I've seen multiple people say they did but not me. I find dmz and msten better for size
Author gives no reference to claims? Did you want author to have taken the compound and list his personal experience? Well you could search M1A or Alpha 1 logs on internet and in fact see what dozens of people claim who have taken it. Their personal account would in fact be their "reference" Peculiar guy you areSo, I found the text referenced in the article you posted, and I thought I would share the steroid profile from the book here.
Source: Anabolic Pharmacology by Seth Roberts 2009
Unfortunately, the author gives no references to these claims, so it's based on his understanding of how it should work, as I assume there are no studies on it at all.
Author gives no reference to claims? Did you want author to have taken the compound and list his personal experience? Well you could search M1A or Alpha 1 logs on internet and in fact see what dozens of people claim who havev taken it. Their personal account would 8n fact be their "reference" Peculiar guySo, I found the text referenced in the article you posted, and I thought I would share the steroid profile from the book here.
Source: Anabolic Pharmacology by Seth Roberts 2009
Unfortunately, the author gives no references to these claims, so it's based on his understanding of how it should work, as I assume there are no studies on it at all.
Maybe you got the 1-methyl-1dhea starscream66 is talking about?For me personally, zero weight or size gained on m1a. But I get really strong and a good pump on it. I'm not saying you can't get big on it. I've seen multiple people say they did but not me. I find dmz and msten better for size
How much of the 11 pounds did you keep?I ran 45 mg for 30 days last year. Was premier research essentials. They're a board sponsor. High quality. Gained 11 lbs. I started at 223 lbs went up to 234 lbs. Was on approx. 500 calorie surplus for 30 days.
Also, how were the sides (back pumps, high blood pressure, liver)?I ran 45 mg for 30 days last year. Was premier research essentials. They're a board sponsor. High quality. Gained 11 lbs. I started at 223 lbs went up to 234 lbs. Was on approx. 500 calorie surplus for 30 days.
No it was not bunk, and I'm not the only person who has reacted that way to it. I have used medfit rx and another reputable brand that is slipping my mind at the moment.If you gained zero weight and size it was definitely bunk. What brand M1A did you run?
Nope. Ppl react differently to different stuff. Now superdrol... I gain like a pound per dayAuthor gives no reference to claims? Did you want author to have taken the compound and list his personal experience? Well you could search M1A or Alpha 1 logs on internet and in fact see what dozens of people claim who havev taken it. Their personal account would 8n fact be their "reference" Peculiar guy
Maybe you got the 1-methyl-1dhea starscream66 is talking about?
Bout 5 lbsHow much of the 11 pounds did you keep?
I experienced calf/shin pumps more so than back pumps and had small increase in bp personallyAlso, how were the sides (back pumps, high blood pressure, liver)?
Well, what I was looking for was something like how Anabolics 11th ed is written. Each section that the author discusses is generally based on referenced scientific studies or some type of research data. The article you linked from M&M used only the Seth Roberts book as a reference, and that reference is just based on the authors opinion of the compound, and not actual studies or scientific data.Author gives no reference to claims? Did you want author to have taken the compound and list his personal experience? Well you could search M1A or Alpha 1 logs on internet and in fact see what dozens of people claim who havev taken it. Their personal account would 8n fact be their "reference" Peculiar guy
I'm not even aware such a compound exist. But, I know, for example, Hi Tech makes a product called 1AD which is 1DHEA that has the 2 step conversion to 1-test. I just assumed the name M1AD was just a marketing name, like 1AD is.Maybe you got the 1-methyl-1dhea starscream66 is talking about?
one of those is M1a the other is M1p both brought to market by LG in early 2000sJust out of my own curiosity, I tried to find M1-Alpha, but it looks like it's not in the book. The name of the chemical compound is either Methyl-1-etiocholenolol or Methyl-1-Etiocholenolol-Epietiocholanolone
M1p? Never heard of that oneone of those is M1a the other is M1p both brought to market by LG in early 2000s
It made me feel sick every time I took it and I'd take it anyway, they sold me on the = 1gram of test lolI missed all of the good LG Sciences stuff, except the preWO Anadraulic State GT. We would take that stuff and go berserk when we were like 20 years old.
Tasted like ass and made your gut almost sick, but it must have been spiked with something effective.