GreenMachineX
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Well, we still don’t know a vaccine would work either right? If it starts mutating every year, a vaccine is fruitless, correct?
Anyone worried if Corona virus keeps spreading the gyms will shut down?
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Gates, W.H.O., Fauci, Adhanom, etc... All retarded criminals...
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The corruption and lies being spread by those tards, and the libtard media is just brutal. GOOG, Twitter (also full-blown libtard) censoring as they see fit. The mighty dollar, patents, fear, control, communism...
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The corruption and lies being spread by those tards, and the libtard media is just brutal. GOOG, Twitter (also full-blown libtard) censoring as they see fit. The mighty dollar, patents, fear, control, communism...
thebigt
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if you know this and I know this then it's a safe bet that they know this...but it won't stop them from releasing a vaccine-there is too much money to be made!!!!
justhere4comm
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Q: How did you find that article?
A: Google...
"retarded criminals" & "Libtard" = You cannot be taken seriously.
Jack loves Trump: He's good for business.
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A very wise man "Admin" once said, not too long ago.
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justhere4comm
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Meanwhile the US mortality rate has crept up to 5.9%
1,263,243 Total Cases
74,810 Dead
I Googled it, so of course just that mere fact makes it suspect..
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1,263,243 Total Cases
74,810 Dead
I Googled it, so of course just that mere fact makes it suspect..
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Smont
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The video was already taken down
justhere4comm
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Smont
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If a vaccine is released it cannot be proven safe if it was just invented. No1 would know what happens 10, 15, 20 years after you take it. I'm not anti vaccine at all. I just want to know the long term results. Unless it's something that builds muscle, then I just worry later lol
thebigt
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I don't think they will come up with a vaccine that gives permanent immunity, rather it will be like a flu shot, ongoing yearly shots to keep up with mutation...this really should concern people over long term effects.
GreenMachineX
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Holy smokes. What’s interesting is that my state (VA) is planning on phased opening starting next Friday. Some of the gyms in my association will open with strict protocols, followed by a few more 2 weeks later, and the last few a couple weeks later. But the amount of new cases in the association’s main area jumped the past week. While NY is past the peak, it seems we are in the peak and about to reopen. Unless there’s data I don’t have (which easily could be true), it just doesn’t make sense to me.
DrChicken
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Enough of your fear mongering BS dude. Your numbers are falsely elevated by a good 30k.. nearly 70% elevated
Find a legitimate source, maybe the CDC.gov
Not that I trust CDC but their numbers Are going to be more accurate that “worldometers”
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justhere4comm
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Mortality rate of 5.7% by your numbers listed. Dude.
No fear mongering here.
I treat this just like some moron running a cycle without a PCT lined up. Truth.
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DrChicken
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Fair enough the math says 5.7
I just don’t see where 77k comes from
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You mean I can’t PCT my oral steroids with USP labs prime only ?
News to me
Smont
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I've looked at multiple places for these numbers and there all different, lots of them ranging from less then 1%-3.4%
I don't really know what's what but I definitely believe that there are deaths wrongly recorded as coronavirus being the cause. I know for a fact in my state there are a few death reported wrongly. There's a guy that comes into my cousin's restruant for years on one of those breathing machines. He's been on the brink of death for a few years. "Cystic fibrosis" he died from coronavirus, but he didn't. They reported another case saying first infant to die from coronavirus around here. It was sids.
I don't really know what's what but I definitely believe that there are deaths wrongly recorded as coronavirus being the cause. I know for a fact in my state there are a few death reported wrongly. There's a guy that comes into my cousin's restruant for years on one of those breathing machines. He's been on the brink of death for a few years. "Cystic fibrosis" he died from coronavirus, but he didn't. They reported another case saying first infant to die from coronavirus around here. It was sids.
justhere4comm
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Would he had died that day if he had not had Covid-19?
I'm going to guess, no.
A lot are being under reported as well.
Just like back in "1917" ... 50-200 mil died of Spanish Flu...
How about we say, a lot of people are dying, and it's too many, too fast.
thebigt
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what percentage of that mortality rate were otherwise healthy individuals?
you could say that a guy who died playing basketball that playing basketball was reason he died, if you neglected to mention the underlying heart condition he may not of even be aware of.
thebigt
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I want to give healthcare 'experts' credit here...they are putting out infomercials stressing that although otherwise healthy younger people may not be very affected by covid 19, if they don't follow protocols they are putting other more at risk peoples lives in danger...I like seeing this.
now if only these experts would recommend policy makers enact mandatory wearing of masks in public places
BamBam54
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Here is the counter argument, and a pretty reasoned article, in response to all this hype about the PLANDEMIC video making the rounds.
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A quick observation - if the government will kill or imprison or do anything to stop this lady from speaking.. and here she is speaking.... it kind of undermines the whole claim about an all powerful government doing everything to stop her. No?
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A quick observation - if the government will kill or imprison or do anything to stop this lady from speaking.. and here she is speaking.... it kind of undermines the whole claim about an all powerful government doing everything to stop her. No?
BamBam54
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NY antibody testing is the latest greatest info on covid fatality rate. Results thus far put the real number now at 0.5% or a little higher. Still a HEFTY figure, if you think what 0.5% of 200 million population (herd immunity levels) would mean!
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**Points worth noting - they never did this same total canvassing to find every single person that had the flu, so if done the same way, the real flu fatality rate would also drop way below the often quoted 0.1% too. If talking apples to apples.
The random NY testing were people found out and about in supermarkets. And its reasonable to think those walking around were more likely exposed to the virus, elevating infection rate (lowering fatality rate some) but while not perfect its the best data available right now.
In these figures, they use the current covid death count... but people die slowly so even with a given fixed infection number at a given time, more of those people will eventually wind up dying, so the true fatality rate for any current number infected will be a little higher than published.
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**Points worth noting - they never did this same total canvassing to find every single person that had the flu, so if done the same way, the real flu fatality rate would also drop way below the often quoted 0.1% too. If talking apples to apples.
The random NY testing were people found out and about in supermarkets. And its reasonable to think those walking around were more likely exposed to the virus, elevating infection rate (lowering fatality rate some) but while not perfect its the best data available right now.
In these figures, they use the current covid death count... but people die slowly so even with a given fixed infection number at a given time, more of those people will eventually wind up dying, so the true fatality rate for any current number infected will be a little higher than published.
Smont
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He's been at the point where he could die any day for God knows how long. When you get to the point that your lungs are working at <10%, yes it's very possible he could have died that day regardless.
jswain34
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SIDS is defined as sudden death in an infant without an identifiable cause on autopsy. If they did an autopsy and found signs of covid it literally cannot be SIDS.
Smont
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You are correct, but the parents are saying they were told nothing about the baby having covid, it was after the fact that someone put a headline on whatever saying that infant dies of covid. I don't know all the details on this this so I can't talk further then that.
BamBam54
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I don't think its odd at all for Fauci to be involved with a research grant to the Wuhan lab. Fauci was working with SARS. SARS originated in China. China has a lab, scientists, and a ****-ton of bats. SARS happened, based on a coronavirus. Seems like a good place, among others, to do scientific research on the SARS/coronavirus and bats to better understand this virus because it happened once it will likely happen again.
And it happened again. Even worse. But I believe the Wuhan lab accident story... based on their scientists and lab security not being as good as they think.... and china wanting to cover it up so that we don't all know they are not as good as they think.
justhere4comm
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Actually I stand by my original numbers: (Adjusted by Johns Hopkins)
1,240,513 Confirmed cases
74,852 Deaths Confirmed
That demonstrates a current mortality rate of 6%
One can argue all they want, so where is all that testing if anyone can get tested when they want?
It's been stated already, even at 1% that's 3,200,000 deaths if permitted to go unchecked.
The Spanish Flu is the closest parallel and that claimed about 675,000 Americans
They had 3 waves.
We will have at least several.
1,240,513 Confirmed cases
74,852 Deaths Confirmed
That demonstrates a current mortality rate of 6%
One can argue all they want, so where is all that testing if anyone can get tested when they want?
It's been stated already, even at 1% that's 3,200,000 deaths if permitted to go unchecked.
The Spanish Flu is the closest parallel and that claimed about 675,000 Americans
They had 3 waves.
We will have at least several.
BamBam54
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Gotta look at the numbers apples to apples, for the numbers to have meaning.
So yes, of those who got sick... went to the doctor... got confirmed as covid... and eventually died - that number is at least 6% (since many of those cases have not finished dying). In comparison, the number of people who go the common flu... went to the doctor... got confirmed as influenza... and eventually died - that number is 0.1%
There are absolutely millions of more people walking around with covid (and the flu every year) who never got tested, recovered fine, and whose survival isn't factored in the fatality rate at all. The only way to begin to know how many more people are out there who have already been infected with covid (or the flu) and survived is with an antibody blood test. And knowing the full range of virus spread, and the measured total infected, will give a truer more accurate fatality rate for the covid (or flu).
This NY study is pretty good. Did you read it? Any comment or criticism? Sure, eventually tests will be more widespread and available (if that is again a subtle political dig??) we are kind of in the middle of a global pandemic and economic meltdown right now.
But the best available data seems to put the true covid death rate between 1% - 0.5%. And yeah, that could spread across almost the entire country, but not 320 million. It would reach herd immunity levels long before that and stop on its own. Still big numbers, still bad.
I think its clear now that we can't use the lockdown approach long enough to ever outlast and get through the current situation. Even if we were in absolute total lockdown for all of April, May, June--- come July we would start right where we left off. Virus still out there, starting right where it left off. Only way to stop it is herd immunity or vaccine (with questionable safety and duration) and along the way employ all we learned about social distancing and hygeine, and maybe get better with treatments and new medicines.
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Whisky
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It’s interesting in the UK.
there is talk of starting to ease the restrictions as we are past the peak.
however
this view of needing to maintain social distancing is far more impactful on the economy than people realise. For example, cafes may be allowed to open with outdoor seating only and 2m gaps - capacity will be significantly decreased. Likewise any restaurant. Shops have to limit customers
all of that throws a typical business operating model out of the window - any business that relies on volume (I.e most) will have to increase prices to maintain margin. Why would people pay more to physically shop when they can online order? Why would you pay twice as much to eat in a restaurant when you can cook at home?
offices will have additional cleaning costs and floor plans now have to show greater gaps so you need more office space for the same heads - costs go up and so do prices. In any industry that’s a threat but especially in B2C when a recession is coming.
combine the above with the fact that in the uk survey after survey shows a majority of people are scared about going out still. This makes sense. We never breached critical care capacity at any time so the fatality risk is the same now as it has always been. If your worried about the virus now you still are next month and the month after that (only a vaccine or improved treatment strategies changes this).
so telling businesses and shops they can open is one thing but the economic impact will still be massive, businesses will fail all over the place because the custom will not be there. Unemployment will spike badly. This will happen now, that’s almost certain.
so ‘ending the lockdown’ does not solve the problem in many ways. I think the world has changed now for many sectors and we’ll need to embrace that change to survive.
there is talk of starting to ease the restrictions as we are past the peak.
however
this view of needing to maintain social distancing is far more impactful on the economy than people realise. For example, cafes may be allowed to open with outdoor seating only and 2m gaps - capacity will be significantly decreased. Likewise any restaurant. Shops have to limit customers
all of that throws a typical business operating model out of the window - any business that relies on volume (I.e most) will have to increase prices to maintain margin. Why would people pay more to physically shop when they can online order? Why would you pay twice as much to eat in a restaurant when you can cook at home?
offices will have additional cleaning costs and floor plans now have to show greater gaps so you need more office space for the same heads - costs go up and so do prices. In any industry that’s a threat but especially in B2C when a recession is coming.
combine the above with the fact that in the uk survey after survey shows a majority of people are scared about going out still. This makes sense. We never breached critical care capacity at any time so the fatality risk is the same now as it has always been. If your worried about the virus now you still are next month and the month after that (only a vaccine or improved treatment strategies changes this).
so telling businesses and shops they can open is one thing but the economic impact will still be massive, businesses will fail all over the place because the custom will not be there. Unemployment will spike badly. This will happen now, that’s almost certain.
so ‘ending the lockdown’ does not solve the problem in many ways. I think the world has changed now for many sectors and we’ll need to embrace that change to survive.
thebigt
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INDIANA REOPENED...stores were fcking packed, probably less than half wearing masks and a ton of illinois plated cars in parking lots.
Indiana hasn't been hit nearly as hard as neighboring states, but look for that to change, wouldn't surprise meif Indiana is next hot spot.
thebigt
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so you finally agree with me that REQUIRING face masks not just recommending is the route we should have taken at least 2 months ago?
jswain34
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Youre putting a lot of words in my mouth and inferring a lot of info based on me posting a graph. I dont disagree with you about masks and I never have (as far as I remember), fwiw.
Im not going to get back into the discussion you’re trying to get me into any more than saying, again, medical providers make recommendations and the cdc has made a pretty clear recommendation. They dont make laws.
thebigt
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but they do make recommendations...and they should be ashamed of themselves for not recommending MANDATORY masks in public places 2 months ago...according to graph you posted the way those other countries did containment was REQUIRING masks in public places, if the usa is suffering more than those other countries guess who I blame?
jswain34
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Probably not the very questionable actions of millions of US citizens completely disregarding both social distancing recommendations as well as the mouth covering recommendations that came out over 2 months and 1 month ago respectively, right?
Probably THE DEMS!
thebigt
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get the f*ck outta here, republicans have just as much blame in this game---but it was not politicians making recommendations on tv everyday, it was the so called experts and not one of them were recommending making masks MANDATORY and you damned well know it....Probably not the very questionable actions of millions of US citizens completely disregarding both social distancing recommendations as well as the mouth covering recommendations that came out over 2 months and 1 month ago respectively, right?
Probably THE DEMS!
your defense that medical experts don't make policy is a piece of shyt argument.....they make the recommendations and they failed to make the recommendation that masks be mandatory.
just for clarification-you are a part of the medical community-correct?
jswain34
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I figured the
would portray the fact that I was joking with you lol. If you are an American citizen and havent heard the recommendation for social distancing, cloth face coverings, and hand hygiene you have been living under a rock or purposely not paying attention. Everyone knows the recommendations. They CHOOSE not to follow them.
That’s irrelevant to the discussion, but no im currently not employed in the medical field.
thebigt
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I ain't looking for no damned recommendations, or suggestions...the countries in graph you post had containment by REQUIRING MASKS BE WORN. are the medical experts in this country so stupid they don't realize thIs is what we HAVE to do to get containment in this country?I figured the
If you are an American citizen and havent heard the recommendation for social distancing, cloth face coverings, and hand hygiene you have been living under a rock or purposely not paying attention. Everyone knows the recommendations. They CHOOSE not to follow them.
That’s irrelevant to the discussion, but no im currently not employed in the medical field.
you made my point for me, if we leave it at recommendation or suggestion probably 40-50% of americans won't comply...other countries have medical experts who figured this out long ago--are the medical experts in THIS country that much dumber than medical experts in those other countries?
eventually we will have to REQUIRE masks to reach containment, but look at the cost of not doing this much, much sooner!!!
jswain34
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You continue to miss the point despite me repeating it several times. You did however get me to engage in the convo again lol.
The cdc has no right to make anything mandatory. Mayors and governors and presidents do. If they see the cdc make a recommendation and then they see people blatantly choosing to ignore the recommendations its on them to make people follow it. Not healthcare workers. Thats the last im going to speak on it.
Edit: and we’re talking about when people are in public. They do have a right to make things mandatory in hospitals or healthcare settings. And I guaran-damn-tee you that masks are mandatory in a lot of healthcare settings right now.
The cdc has no right to make anything mandatory. Mayors and governors and presidents do. If they see the cdc make a recommendation and then they see people blatantly choosing to ignore the recommendations its on them to make people follow it. Not healthcare workers. Thats the last im going to speak on it.
Edit: and we’re talking about when people are in public. They do have a right to make things mandatory in hospitals or healthcare settings. And I guaran-damn-tee you that masks are mandatory in a lot of healthcare settings right now.
thebigt
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geez, quit be dense...the cdc can't make anything mandatory----BUT, PAY ATTENTION HERE, THIS IS IMPORTANT.
they CAN RECOMMEND masks be MANDATORY...I FAIL TO SEE WHY YOU CANT GRASP THIS?
BTW-i never blamed healthcare WORKERS, just the so called 'experts'.
jswain34
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Healthcare experts dont do any of the things I just said either. The recommendations are there. People are already up in arms just at the recommendation and the few politicians that have mandated it based on the recommendations of healthcare experts have seen huge backlash from it. There obviously are healthcare experts recommending it or no politicians whatsoever would have tried it already.
thebigt
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to hell if there is backlash, so what...look at the damage that has already been done in lives and economy...
i will ask you if you personally think we will reach containment WITHOUT making masks mandatory in public places????
justhere4comm
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Left the house for the first time in weeks to go get a pizza.
Holy hell it's pandemonium in Florida. Nobody is social distancing. Look for a burst of cases of Covid 19 in FLA.
Why are so many stupid people in FLA?
Holy hell it's pandemonium in Florida. Nobody is social distancing. Look for a burst of cases of Covid 19 in FLA.
Why are so many stupid people in FLA?
thebigt
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stupid enough to hope the president and vice president die from covid19 like you?
GreenMachineX
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This is exactly what I was talking about. We’ve earned this. We deserve this.
Nac
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Im not sure the "success" of other countries has been because of mandatory face masks; take NZ and Australia for example, there was no mandatory face-mask-wearing in either of those countries (except for health workers).
Id hazard a guess that the bigger factor with the US compared to most other countries, is that most other countries populations have acted as unified populations. Meaning, you wont see states or areas within any of those individual countries having contrary rules with each other.
The United States has been rather non-United.
Id hazard a guess that the bigger factor with the US compared to most other countries, is that most other countries populations have acted as unified populations. Meaning, you wont see states or areas within any of those individual countries having contrary rules with each other.
The United States has been rather non-United.
GreenMachineX
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GreenMachineX
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What you’re referencing has been discussed and laid to rest. This post isn’t helpful to any discussion. While he and I are on polar opposite ends of the Trump spectrum, we agree to leave it alone and discuss other things rationally without attacking each other. Why can’t you?