Donald Trump running for president

[thebigt]

Is anyone who talks about veterans issues but doesn't donate all their money to vets a giant hypocrite???

unfortunately most veterans are not multi-millionaires.

 

[nostrum420]

aren't they for redistribution of wealth? why not start with their own wealth?

Again, a ridiculously brain dead talking point. Even if they donate every cent they have it wouldn't even make a dent and they wouldn't have the resources to continue to try to change these issues.

Again, if people are in favor of helping vets are they obligated to donate their life savings?

 

[nostrum420]

Yeah, they all down with corporate welfare thats for sure, especially that slimy lying thug Bernie.

Um, whaa?

 

[nostrum420]

unfortunately most veterans are not multi-millionaires.

But if they want others to donate, they have to lead by example, right?

 

[thebigt]

Again, a ridiculously brain dead talking point. Even if they donate every cent they have it wouldn't even make a dent and they wouldn't have the resources to continue to try to change these issues.

Again, if people are in favor of helping vets are they obligated to donate their life savings?

it would go a long way towards showing they cared though, right?

seriously, if they are sincere about redistribution of wealth the should lead by example.

 

[nostrum420]

The concept of enforced charity at IRS gunpoint stealing the fruits of people's labor is far worse than the hypocrisy they live by.

Spit out the libertarian kool aid. They have no plan beyond anarchism at this point.

 

[ax1]

Again, a ridiculously brain dead talking point. Even if they donate every cent they have it wouldn't even make a dent and they wouldn't have the resources to continue to try to change these issues.

Again, if people are in favor of helping vets are they obligated to donate their life savings?

They are free to lecture and donate as they please, but not free to steal it from me or others.

 

[nostrum420]

it would go a long way towards showing they cared though, right?

seriously, if they are sincere about redistribution of wealth the should lead by example.

Seriously, anyone who has ever talked about veterans affairs should cash in their 401k and donate it immediately.

 

[ax1]

Spit out the libertarian kool aid. They have no plan beyond anarchism at this point.

Thats a extremist liberal talking point when they don’t want to debate policies that will lift people out of poverty that they directly are responsible for.

 

[nostrum420]

They are free to lecture and donate as they please, but not free to steal it from me or others.

No one is stealing. You live in a civil society and you get a yearly bill for services rendered. Go live in the woods you rugged individualist you. If they can't find you, they can't tax you.

 

[ax1]

Spit out the libertarian kool aid. They have no plan beyond anarchism at this point.

Austrian economics.

 

[nostrum420]

Thats a extremist liberal talking point when they don’t want to debate policies that will lift people out of poverty that they directly are responsible for.

"Liberals" have a plan. They have several actually, all posted online. You may not like or agree with them but at least they have one. Current libertarians are like a Mad Max movie.

 

[ax1]

No one is stealing. You live in a civil society and you get a yearly bill for services rendered. Go live in the woods you rugged individualist you. If they can't find you, they can't tax you.

People work and it’s stolen and they are told how it’s spent.

If people want to steal from others they should all move to Guantanamo Bay, I’ll take the woods.

 

[thebigt]

Seriously, anyone who has ever talked about veterans affairs should cash in their 401k and donate it immediately.

seriously? what does this have to do with multi-millionaire democrats saying they want redistribution of wealth-for everyone but themselves...just like congress approved obamacare-for everyone else but themselves.

 

[ax1]

"Liberals" have a plan. They have several actually, all posted online. You may not like or agree with them but at least they have one. Current libertarians are like a Mad Max movie.

Yes, Liberals have a plan and they are the wisest intellects of the universe.

 

[thebigt]

"Liberals" have a plan. They have several actually, all posted online. You may not like or agree with them but at least they have one. Current libertarians are like a Mad Max movie.

I bet their 'plan' won't include them, just like Obamacare. they will make themselves exempt.

 

[Aleksandar37]

This is possibly the most brain dead of the conservative talking points.

OMG, you're so right! Since they don't donate themselves into poverty they don't care at all!

Derp derp derp derp

You're arguing with a guy that supposedly hates socialism, but takes full advantage of socialism.

 

[nostrum420]

seriously? what does this have to do with multi-millionaire democrats saying they want redistribution of wealth-for everyone but themselves...just like congress approved obamacare-for everyone else but themselves.

They're happy to pay their fair share and their proposals would affect them too. The idea that they need to donate every thing before asking others to pitch in their fair share as well is a ridiculous straw man argument.

 

[nostrum420]

Yes, Liberals have a plan and they are the wisest intellects of the universe.

They do have the more educated folks, typically.

 

[Aleksandar37]

lol...you asked what emotional baggage?

Still asking. Why am I going to waste my time finding you information when you arbitrarily pick which information you believe or not? Think back to your analogy of protesters and the police.

 

[ax1]

Your employer withholds s

First of all I dont have an employer, I am a self proprietor. If I dont hand over my hard earnings quarterly they will destroy my life and that is a guarantee.

Second, why do you think they withhold in the first place? "Duh, I have to pay you $15 an hour minimum wage, I keep 28% of it and hand it over to IRS gangtas. Be sure to pay your property tax are your house is stolen.

This is inhuman and Im not kidding.

 

[thebigt]

Your employer withholds s


They're happy to pay their fair share and their proposals would affect them too. The idea that they need to donate every thing before asking others to pitch in their fair share as well is a ridiculous straw man argument.

there should be a constitutional amendment that any bill passed by congress should be law for congress as well-no more exemptions.

 

[nostrum420]

I bet their 'plan' won't include them, just like Obamacare. they will make themselves exempt.

The plans are posted. Find me the part where it says they're exempt.

 

[Aleksandar37]

The plans are posted. Find me the part where it says they're exempt.

He can't. He keeps repeating this lie he heard on Fox as if it's true.

 

[nostrum420]

First of all I dont have an employer, I am a self proprietor. If I dont hand over my hard earnings quarterly they will destroy my life and that is a guarantee.

Me too. It's a bill for services rendered. If you don't like what you're getting for your money you're free to seek a better deal with another government.

 

[ax1]

They do have the more educated folks, typically.

Ok science guy, data or bullshyt.

 

[thebigt]

The plans are posted. Find me the part where it says they're exempt.

you can keep your doctor...hell, the democrats didn't even read the Obamacare bill before passing...but they were smart enough to know to exclude themselves from it.

 

[nostrum420]

Ok science guy, data or bullshyt.

Study finds those with graduate education are far more liberal than peers

Study finds those with graduate education not only lean more to the left than do other Americans, but have done so increasingly in the last two decades.

www.insidehighered.com

 

[ax1]

Me too. It's a bill for services rendered. If you don't like what you're getting for your money you're free to seek a better deal with another government.

Yeah, they steal trillions to murder millions. Nice!

 

[nostrum420]

whatsup Samsonite?

you can keep your doctor...hell, the democrats didn't even read the Obamacare bill before passing...but they were smart enough to know to exclude themselves from it.

Do you know who wrote the horrid Obama care bill?

 

[ax1]

Study finds those with graduate education are far more liberal than peers

Study finds those with graduate education not only lean more to the left than do other Americans, but have done so increasingly in the last two decades.

www.insidehighered.com

People who support policies and politicians who steal trillions to murders millions should even be accounted for.

 

[nostrum420]

Yeah, they steal trillions to murder millions. Nice!

Again, it's a bill. If you don't like the services you're paying for look for a better deal. Isn't that the crux of libertarianism?

 

[nostrum420]

People who support policies and politicians who steal millions to murders trillions should even be accounted for.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

 

[thebigt]

Me too. It's a bill for services rendered. If you don't like what you're getting for your money you're free to seek a better deal with another government.

Do you know who wrote the horrid Obama care bill?

I know who passed it, isn't that the important part when it comes to laws?

mitt romney is a tool.

 

[Aleksandar37]

you can keep your doctor...hell, the democrats didn't even read the Obamacare bill before passing...but they were smart enough to know to exclude themselves from it.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf

page 65. Section 1312 (d) (3) (D)

They're not exempt.

 

[nostrum420]

I know who passed it, isn't that the important part when it comes to laws?

mitt romney is a tool.

You mean the Republican controlled senate that passed it?

 

[jimbuick]

yes, they did

I actually don't think Biden did. IIRC he got elected to a local position pretty well immediately after graduating law school and passing the bar.

 

[ax1]

Again, it's a bill. If you don't like the services you're paying for look for a better deal. Isn't that the crux of libertarianism?

Well thats fair. When I go to the voting booth I tell them all to shove it and support my non-aggresive people and stick up for whats humane.

 

[Aleksandar37]

I actually don't think Biden did. IIRC he got elected to a local position pretty well immediately after graduating law school and passing the bar.

He was an attorney for about a year before starting in local government.

 

[thebigt]

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf

page 65. Section 1312 (d) (3) (D)

They're not exempt.

check the date.

 

[Aleksandar37]

check the date.

what about it? Here are congressional benefits. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43194.pdf
Not only are they not exempt, they have to go through the stupid marketplace that most citizens, who get their insurance through their employer, do not.

 

[jimbuick]

He was an attorney for about a year before starting in local government.

Yep, you're right. I forgot about that. For some reason I could only remember reading about the clerkship he had in some Republicans office after Syracuse.

It's all moot anyway, really. It isn't as though being a legislator isn't work, no matter how many people try to spin it as such. I've read about what those folks do in an average day, and if that isn't work then I don't know what is! (a point I'm sure you would agree with)

 

[ax1]

So this is where Godwin's Law takes in effect and I start calling everyone else here Nazi's and the full embodiment of Hitler himself.

LOL j/k I love you all.

 

[ax1]

what about it? Here are congressional benefits. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43194.pdf
Not only are they not exempt, they have to go through the stupid marketplace that most citizens, who get their insurance through their employer, do not.

So thats dated in 2017....so that means what I thought is dated as it changed and I was unaware of this change.

 

[ax1]

I know who passed it, isn't that the important part when it comes to laws?

mitt romney is a tool.

Well, its good to know how the lobby and bureaucracy works so people can make better decisions at the next voting time, although Im not optimistic, lol

 

[Aleksandar37]

Yep, you're right. I forgot about that. For some reason I could only remember reading about the clerkship he had in some Republicans office after Syracuse.

It's all moot anyway, really. It isn't as though being a legislator isn't work, no matter how many people try to spin it as such. I've read about what those folks do in an average day, and if that isn't work then I don't know what is! (a point I'm sure you would agree with)

It wasn't a long run as a lawyer, but I was just answer the question as yes/no. Biden started a firm after he started in government, but no idea if it continued or not.

And I completely agree. I hear all the time how we should give respect to people that work in trades, but then those same people crap on others who they seem as having easy jobs like lawyers and legislators. There are slimy people in any job, but there's a lot of people who truly want to make a difference too. Those people get drowned out by the noise.

 

[thebigt]

So thats dated in 2017....so that means what I thought is dated as it changed and I was unaware of this change.

congress gets a pension towards federal employee healthcare options.

 

[Aleksandar37]

So thats dated in 2017....so that means what I thought is dated as it changed and I was unaware of this change.

It's the Grassley amendment. If you do a search for that term or section Section 1312 (d)(3)(D), it'll come up. Supposedly Grassley wrote it in because he thought the Democrats would reject it and then he'd be able to call them out on the rumors that they were trying to be exempt, and now they're all stuck with it.

I could be wrong on all of this, but Congress should be able to be exempt since employers with more than 100 employees are exempt. But from what I can see, they haven't exempted themselves. If somebody else has different info, I'm all for learning.

 

[thebigt]

It wasn't a long run as a lawyer, but I was just answer the question as yes/no. Biden started a firm after he started in government, but no idea if it continued or not.

And I completely agree. I hear all the time how we should give respect to people that work in trades, but then those same people crap on others who they seem as having easy jobs like lawyers and legislators. There are slimy people in any job, but there's a lot of people who truly want to make a difference too. Those people get drowned out by the noise.

police should be included also...has to be one of the most thankless, riskiest jobs for low pay I can think of

 

[ax1]

I could be wrong on all of this, but Congress should be able to be exempt since employers with more than 100 employees are exempt. But from what I can see, they haven't exempted themselves. If somebody else has different info, I'm all for learning.

I wonder the technicality of this? Congress is well over 100 employees, but really its a meeting place of representatives of local districts across the country all serving from their local office.

 

[ax1]

police should be included also...has to be one of the most thankless, riskiest jobs for low pay I can think of

Depends, I think NY State Troopers end up making over 100k a year plus massive benefits. And over in Long Island in Nassau County cops there are loaded, I think they start 100k, but that was last I heard 20 years ago when I dated a daughter of a court officer who told me....and also wanted his daughter to date a local cop rather than me but thats another story LOL!!!!