ucheoma
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Whilst I like a good deal as much as the next guy I also admire the innovaters for what they do to stretch the frontiers. Lets see what else is in the product
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Unanswered CEL Anabolic Effect - Natural Anabolic
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ValiantThor08
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For heads up, Vector has a 100:1 extract of KM.
aaronuconn
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Lodhra Extract.
Increase cAMP and would be synergistic with X-Gels
Increase cAMP and would be synergistic with X-Gels
aaronuconn
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50mg of Forskolin would probably fit well here as well
aaronuconn
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Might as well add Hemerocallis Fulva Extract with the Forskolin
soxbsbll05
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I wonder if there will be any sort of drying/leaning ingredient involved? I happened to find some Man Sports PR-XT for a good price and its an interesting product that had both bulking components (Anacyclus) and leaning properties (Beta 2 adrenoreceptors).
booneman77
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some really good (and interesting) guesses coming out today... seems like its time to get creative ha
aaronuconn
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At this point, I think we are all just looking back at popular anabolics and pitching the individual ingredients
booneman77
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its never a bad approach to start with things that are proven to work, even anecdotally.
sns8778
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I think that Vector and K1ngslayer get unfairly compared sometimes. They share KME but besides that are very different products in my opinion. I also agree that the other ingredients in vector are overlooked and underrated; years before Vector ever came out I and another formulator had looked into those ingredients. I had originally said it was 3 years ago and got curious and looked back on my notes. It was actually longer ago than that, we had started discussing them in 2014 - before KME was ever even talked about. The product at the time didn't work out because some of the other ingredients that we had wanted to use weren't available at a reasonable price so it just got sidelined.
BillD
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Ya I don’t know what was truly in it but it definitely leaned me out and had a real strong glucose disposal type feeling to it. I miss that stuff.
sns8778
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No, there isn't.
poison
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Except teh squirts are teh suck.
sns8778
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No to the VASO6.
This is one of those cases where sometimes things don't come across the way they may be intended online. I'm not sure if this was an attempt at humor or a veiled insult. I realize that this may truly be an instance of joking and I'm not upset at you in any way, but many people reading won't know how to take it, and to companies this is their livelihood and such a reference or statement would be disrespectful to us and to BLR.
I have taken a lot of time lately to try to interact more with everyone on AM and I enjoy it. At the same time, I make no secret about one of the reasons I stopped posting for many years was I'm a very nice and respectful person and I got tired of the drama and insults and bickering that were so common on here at one time.
I do not do the company vs company thing. I worry about what we do, not what other companies do. I've gone out of my way to interact and ask people what ingredients and products that they want to see from us and already addressed very nicely in this thread - are we supposed to not use ingredients just because other companies do, even if they are ingredients that we were considering years before someone else used them?
In 2015, there was a product draft that that we were working on that had Eriobotrya Japonica and Rehmannaie Raddix in it. I had discussed it with several people at the time and a couple of contract manufacturers knew about it as well. We didn't move forward with the project at that time because a couple of the other ingredients that we wanted to use in it we couldn't source an extract that we were happy with at a reasonable price at that time. This was long before anyone was even thinking about KME. When we didn't move forward with it, did any of the people that knew about it say anything to BLR about them? No idea. Do I care? No, not at all. Why? Because they are great ingredients and I was glad that they offered them to people to use. Does that mean that we were never going to use them just because they did? Of course not. The industry would never evolve if that were the case; plus we put a lot of time back then into these ingredients; we were just looking for the perfect formulas to use them in. Note: I seriously doubt that anyone did tell BLR that we were looking into these back then, I think he just realized like we did that they are great ingredients. BUT even if they did, he was well within his rights to use them and I never said a word. (And I told one of the people that was upset about it that I had collaborated with on it to never publicly mention it bc it didn't matter, they were well within their rights to use them).
I'm not upset at the poster here at all, but I had already addressed this nicely in a long detailed post before that of course in a 7 ingredient product there are going to be overlaps with other products. I do realize he may have been joking which is why sometimes the internet can suck because context and tone don't come across sometimes.
This is my second and likely last time addressing product comparisons though. If this thread continues with anymore veiled insults or things that may be veiled insults, then there will be no more information revealed until the product is released.
sns8778
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For more details you can see my initial reply - we were looking at two out of the three ingredients in Vector back in 2015. That project made it as far as actually being named and halted because a different ingredient in that was going to be in it turned out to be unavailable at a quality extract at a reasonable price.
The research on those ingredients had been out and they were on many different raw material supplier lists. Us, nor BLR, nor anyone else that I'm aware of technically 'innovated' them; they were available for sale to whomever saw and realized the potential of them. It's a funny thing in this industry, so many times people that come to market with something first say they 'innovated' or act like they came up with an ingredient that's been on supplier lists and available to anyone. It's cool and great that they may have been the ones to take the time to look into the ingredient and its potential, but its not like company owners are out miraculously creating herbals, things that have been around for hundreds or thousands of years. Note: To BLR's credit, I never read where he claimed to have came up to these; I think he acknowledged that he saw the potential in them and that's awesome, but in no way mean that other companies didn't as well.
Plus, innovation is great but also we prefer to not treat customers like science projects. We much prefer to offer proven ingredients and formulas that we know work (hence why we use a lot of branded ingredients that have studies behind them) because we recognize that most people work very hard for their money and we respect that and don't want to throw out products in the name of 'innovation' that may look great on paper but turn out to be a waste of people's hard earned money. That's something we will never apologize for - offering top quality products at cost effective prices and not treating people like they're supposed to pay money to be part of some type of ingredient experiment.
aaronuconn
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Definitely. But maybe it can be mitigated in some people by split dosage. I know some people are sensitive to it no matter what
sns8778
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I like the ingredient but it's not included in this formula.
I like the ingredient but its not included in this formula.
We considered it but didn't go with it because it gives some people stomach issues.
There isn't anything specific for a drying/leaning effect but the people that we had testing this out all noticed that they got leaner while using this, even if getting leaner wasn't their primary objective.
sns8778
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Good job. Winner for the day. And it's included not just for name value and nitric oxide purposes but for a reason that will be elaborated on more as the rest of the ingredients are revealed.
Side note... darn it, I was hoping that it would've taken longer for people to guess this one haha.
GQdaLEGEND
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Why would be rename that when a name is already picked out lol
And making a clone of non prop blend is easy .. it’s making them better and finding out which other ingridents can be stack with it to become the best one out there
GQdaLEGEND
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Haha gonna have it revealed sooner then u wanted lol
GQdaLEGEND
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Yes yes I am a fan of lodhra bark as well
If I’m not mistaken that was the key ingrident in natadrol along with cissus that pple were double dosing to get some sort of effects.
GQdaLEGEND
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I know what you mean .. pr-xt is one of my fav .. I like it better then some of the new ones that have claim to be the best
Look into inhibitE for similar leaning effects, very underrated imo more then just running on a cycle product
I’ve stacked inhibit E + mtest for very solid lean gains on meal prep.
BillD
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Just tried it in BPI new preworkout and like it a lot. Pumped that it’s included...no pun intended
BillD
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Just tried it in BPI new preworkout and like it a lot. Pumped that it’s included...no pun intended
Bagofturdwind
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What are the seven plant-based ingredients in S7? I’ve tried to find it with a quick google search and even looked on FutureCeuticals website and the info isn’t readily available anywhere
ucheoma
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I've obviously touched a raw nerve! It was meant as a joke not a veiled insult. I have no affinity with any supp company. Far from it. It was an observation on the overlapping product profile.
Im sure based on whats been confirmed so far your product will shine for a lot of people .
Comparisons will continue to be made but what matters is whether the product is a hit. The customer ultimately is the winner!
sns8778
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That's one that we've never been asked for before. I will read up on it. You're also welcome to mention it in the products you'd like to see from us thread.
sns8778
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S7 - Green Coffee Bean Extract, Green Tea Extract, Turmeric Extract, Tart Cherry, Blueberry, Broccoli, Kale
poison
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I'm using it in bpi 1mr complete now. It's a fantastic product, one of the best pres I've used, but it's pretty stacked with good ingredients, so identifying the effects of s7 is impossible.
sns8778
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No, that won't be one of the ones in this one.
GQdaLEGEND
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With cit malate & nitro in it yea could be hard to tell
I read more on s7 def looks impressive
Def would try half dose pre to check out the effectiveness
stopstalking
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Man on man not even half the ingredients listed yet and I’m already excited. I sure hope everything goes smooth and the wait isn’t to much longer !
Segansational
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I'll be honest, I haven't bothered to look through all the pages since last time I checked in. Where are we at with the ingredients confirmed so far?
stopstalking
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Eriobotrya Japonica was confirmed and so was KME at 2g’s
sns8778
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S7 was confirmed as well.
stopstalking
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Yes ! I can’t believe I forgot to say that.. that’s one I’m really excited about because I’ve yet to try it and have heard good things
sns8778
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Due to the number of consecutive correct guesses, we may have to slow down the guessing for a couple days haha. We don’t want to divulge it all quite yet bc of some retailer promotions that are in the works. We’ll keep it going for at least one more though. If we do slow it down, think I should let everyone in on some info about an unteased very exciting different type of product? 
stopstalking
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Due to the number of consecutive correct guesses, we may have to slow down the guessing for a couple days haha. We don’t want to divulge it all quite yet bc of some retailer promotions that are in the works. We’ll keep it going for at least one more though. If we do slow it down, think I should let everyone in on some info about an unteased very exciting different type of product?
Let’s slow it down now so we can hear about this unteased new product lol
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GQdaLEGEND
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Lol *stops breathing*
sns8778
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I'm not upset at you at all. That's one of the bad things about online conversations anywhere is that sometimes tone and context aren't conveyed correctly and that people reading it whether now or 6 months down the line may not know the context either.
Comparisons of course will be made - my problem is/was with them being made in the intro thread for the product. And also because the product is confirmed to have 7 ingredients including 4 licensed, branded ingredients and the product its being compared to has no licensed branded ingredients. That's not a knock at any other product, I'm just saying that there's a long way to go on ingredient reveals for Anabolic Effect so I had hoped that people would hold off on comparisons until they see the whole formula; bc in addition to the formula, there is some ingredient synergy that won't be touched on until they're all revealed.
The reason that the naming part got the reaction from me was for several reasons. One, I go out of my way to never make direct comparisons to other companies products and to avoid conflict. Our goal is to make top quality products at cost effective prices; and my personal interest is in really truly helping people. (I've many times had people tell me that 'I'm too nice for this industry' but that's my real personality). Arguing with or having conflicts with other companies takes time away from what really matters - making great products and helping people. Two, I have pages of ingredient notes on particular ingredient combination years before BLR used them so it sucks to even have it poked at or implied copying something that had been looked at as far back as 2015. (And again, I seriously doubt BLR knew we looked at that; and even if they somehow did, business is business and its fair game bc they were readily available ingredients on supplier lists even that many years ago). Keep in mind when I say that things are on supplier lists, that doesn't mean that as companies that companies can't or don't request different or specialized standardizations, just that the original ingredient(s) are listed. Three, the name for this product was actually derived from the name of the original 2015 draft so that made the comparison even more ironic because the 2015 name for the product that contained those ingredients was Anabolic ___ (I'm leaving the blank because we may still use that name under SNS).
I hope all that makes sense.