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00A said:
Whats with the other ingredients in there? Sns needs to trying and make capsules more friendly for ppl enough of thoose toxins.. if I take 10 different pills per day.. im sure it eventually effect me... just a saying not trying to discourage ppl from product
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It's hard to take this statement in any way other than disparaging, especially when you say that you're 'sure' and its absolutely not true.

Just because some companies choose to not list the 'other ingredients' or excipients doesn't mean they aren't there. Some companies that list the word 'none' on their other ingredients for capsules are absolutely full of it because the capsule itself has ingredients that make it up and also some materials absolutely have to have excipients mixed with them as flow materials or they would be a clumpy gooey mess. These excipients aren't mixed in for the hell of it or no reason; they're blended with the ingredient to ensure that it 'flows' on the production equipment more efficiently for a uniform dosage per capsule and to keep the powder from being hydroscopic and absorbing moisture and being a clumpy mess inside the capsule; and if the capsules are close to full and this effect happens it can cause capsules to pop open.

Look at any major company whether in the bodybuilding segment or general health segment - take NOW Foods for example, they list their other ingredients because legally you're supposed to. Years ago, the FDA wasn't strict on this and many of the bodybuilding companies didn't do that. Those days have past. The companies that aren't doing it are taking big chances and if they ever get a GMP FDA inspection are likely going to regret it.

Basically, you're criticizing SNS for being truthful in labeling about other ingredients and not lying to consumers.

In regards to these other ingredients you're calling toxins:

Capsule Shell (Vegetable Cellulose, Titanium Dioxide):
- Vegetable Cellulose - what the capsule is made of
- Titanium Dioxide - This is what makes the capsule white. (so think about that - whether a company lists it or not, if there is white in your capsule, it has titanium dioxide).

Other Ingredients/Excipients/Flow Materials:
DiCalcium Phosphate - a form of calcium found in everything from children's breakfast cereal to calcium supplements.

Magnesium Stearate - form of magnesium used to help increase solubulity and mixing of foods, cosmetics, and dietary supplements and has GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) status.

Silicon Dioxide (Silica) - GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) status and used well into the thousands of milligrams a day in many hair, skin and nails supplements. Many companies even make single ingredient silica products for hair, skin, and nail health.

Another irony is that we have even been using Veggie caps on products like this and you still made a comment like the above one.

I tried to explain this as nicely as I can and I'm really not trying to be rude, but you basically took a shot at SNS for being truthful in labeling about other ingredients and not lying to consumers and following the law.

If you'd like to continue this conversation, please take it to pm's or the thread about things you'd like to see from us.
 
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Raw Dog said:
I’m no expert in capsule manufacturing by any means, but all of those ingredients are also very common in chewing gum and breath mints. I’d imagine they are necessary to keep the capsules from deteriorating and to allow them to hold their shape. Don’t see anything in there that concerns me, that’s why I was curious if you knew something that I didn’t. I love to be proved wrong because that means I’m learning
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You actually made a very good point that I didn't elaborate on in my post. Lack of completely filling up a capsule can lead to the capsule not holding its shape and make it more likely to come open and therefore spill the ingredients in the bottle.
 
sns8778 said:
It's hard to take this statement in any way other than disparaging, especially when you say that you're 'sure' and its absolutely not true.

Just because some companies choose to not list the 'other ingredients' or excipients doesn't mean they aren't there. Some companies that list the word 'none' on their other ingredients for capsules are absolutely full of it because the capsule itself has ingredients that make it up and also some materials absolutely have to have excipients mixed with them as flow materials or they would be a clumpy gooey mess. These excipients aren't mixed in for the hell of it or no reason; they blended with the ingredient to ensure that it 'flows' on the production equipment more efficiently for a uniform dosage per capsule and to keep the powder from being hydroscopic and absorbing moisture and being a clumpy mess inside the capsule; and if the capsules are close to full and this effect happens it can cause capsules to pop open.

Look at any major company whether in the bodybuilding segment or general health segment - take NOW Foods for example, they list their other ingredients because legally you're supposed to. Years ago, the FDA wasn't strict on this and many of the bodybuilding companies didn't do that. Those days have past. The companies that aren't doing it are taking big chances and if they ever get a GMP FDA inspection are likely going to regret it.

Basically, you're criticizing SNS for being truthful in labeling about other ingredients and not lying to consumers.

In regards to these other ingredients you're calling toxins:

Capsule Shell (Vegetable Cellulose, Titanium Dioxide):
- Vegetable Cellulose - what the capsule is made of
- Titanium Dioxide - This is what makes the capsule white. (so think about that - whether a company lists it or not, if there is white in your capsule, it has titanium dioxide).

Other Ingredients/Excipients/Flow Materials:
DiCalcium Phosphate - a form of calcium found in everything from children's breakfast cereal to calcium supplements.

Magnesium Stearate - form of magnesium used to help increase solubulity and mixing of foods, cosmetics, and dietary supplements and has GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) status.

Silicon Dioxide (Silica) - GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) status and used well into the thousands of milligrams a day in many hair, skin and nails supplements. Many companies even make single ingredient silica products for hair, skin, and nail health.

Another irony is that we have even been using Veggie caps on products like this and you still made a comment like the above one.

I tried to explain this as nicely as I can and I'm really not trying to be rude, but you basically took a shot at SNS for being truthful in labeling about other ingredients and not lying to consumers and following the law.

If you'd like to continue this conversation, please take it to pm's or the thread about things you'd like to see from us.
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No need to continue convo.. think you got wrong end of the stick... but can leave this to rest..
 
^keep in mind this guy has never been satisfied by a brand or supplement in his life lol constant boneheaded criticisms
 
The Express 42 said:
^keep in mind this guy has never been satisfied by a brand or supplement in his life lol constant boneheaded criticisms
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Lol .. I responded short and sweet .. sns explained it perfectly

Can’t even believe this was a topic
 
The Express 42 said:
^keep in mind this guy has never been satisfied by a brand or supplement in his life lol constant boneheaded criticisms
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Frustration is understandable but let's please not say anymore disparaging remarks about him. I hope that I adequately explained it for him and for others reading and I also pm'd him that I'm always glad to answer questions and try to help people in any way that I can but that to companies there's a difference between asking a question and saying a disparaging statement that leads into a question. He posted no need to continue the convo, so let's please all let it go and get back on subject with what this thread's about - Anabolic Effect.
 
Really excited to see the final profile. I know Steve and the SNS team have been hard at work on this release for a bit of time now
 
Josh141090 said:
When can we expect the full ingredient profile to be released?

When will this product be available?
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We should start releasing some ingredients within the next several days; the full profile will probably not be available until it's actually released. We're not one of those companies that likes to promise an actual release date because nothing in this industry ever happens on time haha; but best guess would be week after next for the actual release. But don't hold me to that.
 
sns8778 said:
We should start releasing some ingredients within the next several days; the full profile will probably not be available until it's actually released. We're not one of those companies that likes to promise an actual release date because nothing in this industry ever happens on time haha; but best guess would be week after next for the actual release. But don't hold me to that.
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This is a way better timeframe than most companies out here promising a 4 month time frame and 9 months later nothing.
 
sns8778 said:
We should start releasing some ingredients within the next several days; the full profile will probably not be available until it's actually released. We're not one of those companies that likes to promise an actual release date because nothing in this industry ever happens on time haha; but best guess would be week after next for the actual release. But don't hold me to that.
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This is a way better timeframe than most companies out here promising a 4 month time frame and 9 months later nothing.
 
TommyTuffGuy said:
This is a way better timeframe than most companies out here promising a 4 month time frame and 9 months later nothing.
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That's why we generally wait until things are closer to being done to mention them because I know firsthand the delays there can be in this industry.
 
Would you say it's more geared to bulking or cutting. Mainly, will it increase appetite.

I'm looking to cut down the next few months and appetite is something I've never had an issue with to say the least.
 
Rebel1978 said:
Would you say it's more geared to bulking or cutting. Mainly, will it increase appetite.

I'm looking to cut down the next few months and appetite is something I've never had an issue with to say the least.
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Great question and the type of questions I've been hoping this thread would generate more of.

That is going to be part of the uniqueness of this product in that it will be so versatile and will be able to be used towards cutting, bulking, or recomp.

That's really the gold standard of an anabolic if you think about it - something that can help build lean muscle and lose fat at the same time. Of course the direction your diet is geared would be the primary direction it would help in but it should be effective at both.

It is not designed to specifically increase appetite but whether it does will likely be individual dependent.

I'm in a phase where I'm trying to put back on muscle but get leaner at the same time and it will be included in my personal regimen the moment it arrives.
 
sns8778 said:
Great question and the type of questions I've been hoping this thread would generate more of.

That is going to be part of the uniqueness of this product in that it will be so versatile and will be able to be used towards cutting, bulking, or recomp.

That's really the gold standard of an anabolic if you think about it - something that can help build lean muscle and lose fat at the same time. Of course the direction your diet is geared would be the primary direction it would help in but it should be effective at both.

It is not designed to specifically increase appetite but whether it does will likely be individual dependent.

I'm in a phase where I'm trying to put back on muscle but get leaner at the same time and it will be included in my personal regimen the moment it arrives.
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What type of results have you been seeing from your testers in terms of:
Libido
Muscle gain
Sense of wellbeing
Endurance
Fat loss
Side effects
 
sns8778 said:
Great question and the type of questions I've been hoping this thread would generate more of.

That is going to be part of the uniqueness of this product in that it will be so versatile and will be able to be used towards cutting, bulking, or recomp.

That's really the gold standard of an anabolic if you think about it - something that can help build lean muscle and lose fat at the same time. Of course the direction your diet is geared would be the primary direction it would help in but it should be effective at both.

It is not designed to specifically increase appetite but whether it does will likely be individual dependent.

I'm in a phase where I'm trying to put back on muscle but get leaner at the same time and it will be included in my personal regimen the moment it arrives.
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What type of results have you been seeing from your testers in terms of:
Libido
Muscle gain
Sense of wellbeing
Endurance
Fat loss
Side effects
 
ELROCK said:
Has there been beta testing done with the complete formula?
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No, and there's a reason.
Certain ingredients are common and we already know what to expect from them.
Certain ones also have clinical studies backing them.

So if we were to do testing on the formula as a whole with them in there, the results could have been skewed because they are a great combination themselves and those alone would have lead to great results and therefore there would have been no way to actually know if the other ingredients were adding to the effects.

I hope that makes sense :)

jt75 said:
What type of results have you been seeing from your testers in terms of:
Libido
Muscle gain
Sense of wellbeing
Endurance
Fat loss
Side effects
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Improved Libido
Increases in Lean Muscle
Increases in Strength (both gym strength and in explosive strength)
Improved Sense of Well-Being
Being in a better mood for no reason (exact quote from couple different people)
Increased Endurance
Improved Recovery (both during the workout and between workouts)
Fat Loss
Losing fat without dietary or training focus being on losing fat while not inhibiting muscle gains when they are the primary focus of the diet and training regimen.

No complaints of any sides from anyone.
 
DEVANS89 said:
Sounds like we are going to need a PCT For this...

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I'm not sure why you would think that but there is no PCT needed - it's a natural anabolic; just a very comprehensive formula.

And to the contrary, I could see this becoming a staple product in many people's PCT's to keep their gains going.
 
sns8778 said:
I'm not sure why you would think that but there is no PCT needed - it's a natural anabolic; just a very comprehensive formula.

And to the contrary, I could see this becoming a staple product in many people's PCT's to keep their gains going.
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Can you leak if this product contains an atractylodes extract?

Just curious..
 
I mentioned Korean Mistletoe and didn't get a quote or reply or anything. Must be onto something. I'll throw in urolithin B also
 
sns8778 said:
I'm not sure why you would think that but there is no PCT needed - it's a natural anabolic; just a very comprehensive formula.

And to the contrary, I could see this becoming a staple product in many people's PCT's to keep their gains going.
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It was a joke, the benefits you listed sounded that of something a little more ‘enhanced’


On a serious note it ticks a lot of boxes that people are after in a natty anabolic

I look forward to seeing the full product
 
I'm guessing that aside from Korean mistletoe, this product could contain: Asparagus racemosus, Chlorophytum borivilianum , or Dactylorhiza hatagirea .
 
RANS0M said:
I mentioned Korean Mistletoe and didn't get a quote or reply or anything. Must be onto something. I'll throw in urolithin B also
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Does this not sound like the olympus labs product!.. also there is a heated debate on urolithin B ( please search forums)
 
Any company can use any ingredient they like

Black lion also used KM in vector

So are they copying both OL and BLS?!
 
DEVANS89 said:
Any company can use any ingredient they like

Black lion also used KM in vector

So are they copying both OL and BLS?!
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Not even close .. will be much better then anything out there imo

And yes any1 can use any ingridents long as it’s not TM ingrident by a co
 
I am speaking just for me but others may agree I haven't been this excited for a release since about 8 years or so.
 
I got pretty excited about AL Ultra Test and the 'research' behind it but it didnt exactly work out which was a big shame.
 
Ricky10 said:
Can you leak if this product contains an atractylodes extract?

Just curious..
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It does not.

RANS0M said:
I mentioned Korean Mistletoe and didn't get a quote or reply or anything. Must be onto something. I'll throw in urolithin B also

It does not contain Urolithin B. We did consider that but it ultimately came down to whether we felt like including it would have any extra added benefit, especially with it being a pricey ingredient, and I really think the formula is so comprehensive that you wouldn't be able to tell a difference if it were added other than in the price of the product.
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DEVANS89 said:
It was a joke, the benefits you listed sounded that of something a little more ‘enhanced’

On a serious note it ticks a lot of boxes that people are after in a natty anabolic

I look forward to seeing the full product
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Sorry, didn't realize you were joking. Just wanted to make sure that everyone realized that there would NOT be a need for PCT with this and that it could actually be used in a PCT.

It is very comprehensive. We wanted to make sure that if/when we did something like this that it would really hit a lot of the different goals/results that people would be looking for out of a product like this.

patrick25 said:
Full 30 day supply?
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Yes, it will be a full 30 day supply at the maximum dosage.

patrick25 said:
Hopefully an introductory sale on site when product drops?
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Anabolic Effect will be very aggressively priced. It will sell at the same price as other products do that only have half of the ingredients that this one does.

We could always mark it up on you more to be able to give you a better % off though if you'd like? Jk :p

djbombsquad said:
Maybe sub lingual too .
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Absolutely no reason for it to be sublingual.

Also, sublingual both adds to the cost of a product and dramatically limits the amount of active ingredients you can use dosage wise.

00A said:
Does this not sound like the olympus labs product!.. also there is a heated debate on urolithin B ( please search forums)
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We do not intentionally target any particular company when formulating products. If companies were to not use an ingredient because another company used it, the industry would never evolve. This product literally has at most 1 ingredient that it will have in common with an OL product that I'm aware of.

Urolithin B - yes, there is debate on it, I believe more than one debate if I'm not mistaken. And I steer clear on things like that because I never want my comments to appear disparaging towards any other company that is invested in certain ingredients.

DEVANS89 said:
Any company can use any ingredient they like

Black lion also used KM in vector

So are they copying both OL and BLS?!
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I hate the 'company XYZ copied company ABC's product' thing. If a company makes a 7, 10, 12 ingredient formula and someone copies it exactly, I get it. But if a formula has 1 to even 4 ingredients and it works and another company takes that formula and improves on it, especially if they offer it at a great price, the consumer wins.

Oftentimes, its the companies that are the most worried about that type thing that are really just worried about getting exposed for overcharging to begin with.

Plus, if you think about it, a raw material supplier doesn't want to make an ingredient to sell to 1 or 2 companies. They are in business to make money too and many times if it's only 1 or 2 companies buying the raw material, it can actually wind up not available anymore because it may not be worth it for the supplier to continue making.

Resolve10 said:
Probably not and unsure why that would be necessary with this.
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It wouldn't be necessary at all with this. Due to the dosage constraints of sublinguils, it actually wouldn't even be possible unless you wanted to have to take about 30 pills a day.

patrick25 said:
I am speaking just for me but others may agree I haven't been this excited for a release since about 8 years or so.
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Awesome. Thank you for sharing. In the past we have traditionally not teased or released info on products before they came out. This was really our first attempt at changing that because we know we need to market better. Marketing has always been our weakness - we make great products at great prices but have always been more about the science and value and been almost shy when it comes to the marketing side if that makes sense.

Resolve10 said:
I mean they are still just supplements to me, but yes this I’m anxious for (and the new lean edge).
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Great to hear someone FINALLY mention the new Lean Edge haha. I plan on putting up a thread on that tomorrow. I can tell you that that is one that I've been using because we did get in some test bottles of to try out and I've never had any stimulant free fat burner that has controlled my appetite the way it does and also haven't ever leaned out this much off of anything before without my diet being super strict. (I don't expect anyone to take my word for that because companies always say stuff like that, but anyone that knows me knows that I actually rarely ever comment on my personal results from a product for that reason and plus it takes a lot for a product to really impress me - and the new Lean Edge definitely has).


bubbabignuts said:
Lean Edge + anabolic effect? :O
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Already running Lean Edge and will be adding Anabolic Effect to it myself the moment it arrives :)

ELROCK said:
I am anxiously waiting for their Anxiety & Stress product lol
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Ha. Great way of putting it. I'm in the same boat. I'm spread so thin that I get overwhelmed a lot and in testing out the Stress & Anxiety Support product, it helped me tremendously.

bubbabignuts said:
Would be cool if we got an ingredient revealed each day. DO ETT
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We thought about that but in this industry ETA's are best guesses, and sometimes not very good ones haha. So we didn't want to run out of ingredient reveals and still not have the product in.

Humm.... are you suggesting that we wait to get this in and then wait an additional 7 days to release so that we can do an ingredient reveal per day? :p

I think some of the people excitedly waiting may have strong opinions on that. We could always do that and just blame you haha :ROFLMAO:
 
sns8778 said:
Oftentimes, its the companies that are the most worried about that type thing that are really just worried about getting exposed for overcharging to begin with.
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Yep, that’s why I want y’all to disrupt the market and beat everyone with a superior grains of paradise extract product.

40-80 mg per cap and with a bulk size offering like y’all do with the beta alanine caps. I would snatch up 501 capsules and melt away all summer.
 
sns8778 said:
Oftentimes, its the companies that are the most worried about that type thing that are really just worried about getting exposed for overcharging to begin with.
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Yep, that’s why I want y’all to disrupt the market and beat everyone with a superior grains of paradise extract product.

40-80 mg per cap and with a bulk size offering like y’all do with the beta alanine caps. I would snatch up 501 capsules and melt away all summer.
 
sns8778 said:
Humm.... are you suggesting that we wait to get this in and then wait an additional 7 days to release so that we can do an ingredient reveal per day? :p

I think some of the people excitedly waiting may have strong opinions on that. We could always do that and just blame you haha :ROFLMAO:
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Let’s not doing anything harsh now mon.
 
Everytime I log into AM I look to see if there is any update on the SNS stuff and unfortunately everyday thus far I have been disappointed :cry: hahaha

I know these will be good though so I am trying to be patient!
 
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