Gaining muscles while losing fat. HGP tries the impossible, watch me fail!

Carb back-load + pump gym-day

Popped 5mg cialis to up blood flow. Made sure to have enough carbs in my two shaker bottles.
To enhance my insulin response, when up-carbing intra workouts, I pinned 6 IU slin, 20 min before gym.

I totally forgot how it felt to pin slin. The pump was INSANE ! Veins all over my body. Biceps after gym now at 20.2 inches, LOL.
Will keep pinning slin on carb back loading days. Its a no-brainer at a reasonable dosage and when enough sugar at hand.
 
Now That Is A BIG ARM !!!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yet burns far less calories in the same time. Although the percentage of fat being burned with LISS is higher by a little bit, it does not actually overtake how much fat is burned from a HIIT session lasting half the time. Which burns more in shorter time frame, and also causes EPOC post training. Not to mention the extra calories needed for the protein synthesis and muscle adaptation driven by the carries and sled work.

You might want to read Deep Water by Jon Anderson, not about the HIIT stuff, but I have seen a few times where you mention as if there is an issue training hard and for mass while eating in ketosis. There is absolutely no drawback to resistance or GPP type training while in ketosis. It still drives growth and adaptation. It is actually a pretty good read. I am not going to say it is optimal for mass gain but you can definitely gain mass on keto. You can use protein sources, or even aminos for insulin spikes. GH levels are up and IGF and MGF levels will be up too. Plenty ways to take advantage. You won't see the big mass gains associated with carbs causing higher muscle volume due to pulling water into the muscles but muscle fibers still grow plenty.
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If your working towards a heavy lift day though wouldn't LISS be better purely from a less taxing on the overall system if your doing this on "off" days point of view. And doesn't EPOC only burn around an extra 7% of calories in the time post workout, which is a good thing but not a sole reason to choose HIIT?

I can walk briskly to work, just under three miles. Complete the walk in around 35 minutes and my back is soaked in sweat, I feel great and ready to go. I always thought it I maybe used a bike and tried it HIIT style that I would be ready to collapse and sit down when I got to work. Although perhaps that's a conditioning thing.

I work retail and once I leave the house the only time I get to sit down is half an hour at lunch time then again at 7pm after the same walk home.
 
Wobmarvel said:
If your working towards a heavy lift day though wouldn't LISS be better purely from a less taxing on the overall system if your doing this on "off" days point of view. And doesn't EPOC only burn around an extra 7% of calories in the time post workout, which is a good thing but not a sole reason to choose HIIT?

I can walk briskly to work, just under three miles. Complete the walk in around 35 minutes and my back is soaked in sweat, I feel great and ready to go. I always thought it I maybe used a bike and tried it HIIT style that I would be ready to collapse and sit down when I got to work. Although perhaps that's a conditioning thing.

I work retail and once I leave the house the only time I get to sit down is half an hour at lunch time then again at 7pm after the same walk home.
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I am not really saying one over the other as far as fat burning effect, so much as the higher percentage of fat being burned during LISS often does not end up matching up to a HIIT session of the same length. In the end they both come out pretty close over a 24 hour period. However a HIIT session is far more time efficient for the same level of caloric burn, and HIIT sessions provide a better training stimulus to the muscles. I think their is room for both to be honest, just depends on his goals and time situation.

As far as GPP stuff, adding it in on off days have definitely shown to be a great way to improve performance, conditioning as well as get in some growth stimulus. You also have to keep in mind that most GPP type training is Negative contraction free training. So muscular damage, and CNS impact are much lower than other high effort resistance training methods since only the concentric portion is actually getting the resistance. As long as they are not being overdone to the point of cutting into your recovery ability then they often improve overall fitness and physique.

Plus although HGP wants to be strong, he wants to shape his physique into his aesthetic goal so hypertrophy, and energy expenditure are probably going to be a larger focus than strength gains.

Oh and hairygrandpa those pumped arm measurements.... DAMN!
 
Are you using Humalin R, and are you beginning to consume your juice as soon as you hit the gym?

Nasty arm measurements! Must have been fun
 
For today was planned heavy gym. Well, not happened, because yesterday it got too intense, woke up with doms.
Did a second pump day instead.

Tonight is rave night - YES! I'm very exited about it. :)
 
Hyde said:
Are you using Humalin R, and are you beginning to consume your juice as soon as you hit the gym?

Nasty arm measurements! Must have been fun
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Something similar. I pin 20 min before gym. As soon as I start training, I sip on the sugary shake. Have 2 bottles with me, each one with about 40 gr carbs. Slin at 6 IU.

Did the same today (wanna look big at the rave, have to compensate for my age, hehe) . Nobody home to take a picture, you should see my arms. Looks almost like synthol, lol.
 
jtmass said:
Lord. Those guns.
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The power of carbs + Insulin. :)

-small diamond earring, check
-T-shirt one size too small, check
-camo-shorts, check
-brand sneakers, check

Gonna impress some rave chicks tonight. Muhahaha!
 
hairygrandpa said:
The power of carbs + Insulin. :)

-small diamond earring, check
-T-shirt one size too small, check
-camo-shorts, check
-brand sneakers, check

Gonna impress some rave chicks tonight. Muhahaha!
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Looking sexy.. check check check.. lol
Have fun. I envy you.
 
Looking good !!
 
Well, the rave was awesome-but I got way more attention from dudes than from chicks. All tapping my shoulders, like they know me. Others inviting me drinks. Some even did selfies with me. Had a few female groupies but over all, the men wanted to be "on good terms " with me... even the boss showed up to shake my hands and do smalltalk. Well, there is some truth in that: "you get big only to impress man". One girl, a really tall one, about 6'feet was determined to take me home with her, lol. We switched numbers instead, because I was too high to even think about sex.
Came home at 9am.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Well, the rave was awesome-but I got way more attention from dudes than from chicks. All tapping my shoulders, like they know me. Others inviting me drinks. Some even did selfies with me. Had a few female groupies but over all, the men wanted to be "in good therms " with me... even the boss showed up to shake my hands and do smalltalk. Well, there is some truth in that: "you get big only to impress man". One girl, a really tall one, about 6'feet was detefmined to take me home with her, lol. We switched numbers instead, because I was too high to even think about sex.
Came home at 9am.
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You are a Sexy Man !!!
 
Rocket3015 said:
You are a Sexy Man !!!
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Nah. It seems I'm too intimidating for both sexes. Seriously. I could go right to the front of the dancefloor, where the speakers are and the crowd opened up for me, like I had sort of an magnetic force field. I mean, okay, now I was bigger than most (the average dude had about 135lbs) and, I was by far the oldest guy there. The women kept distance with exception of one very hot - but for me too tall girl. She attacked me right away, like a homing missile.

Well, I gonna persue that gymnast look. Bulky is seen more like a freak here.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Well, the rave was awesome-but I got way more attention from dudes than from chicks. All tapping my shoulders, like they know me. Others inviting me drinks. Some even did selfies with me. Had a few female groupies but over all, the men wanted to be "in good therms " with me... even the boss showed up to shake my hands and do smalltalk. Well, there is some truth in that: "you get big only to impress man". One girl, a really tall one, about 6'feet was determined to take me home with her, lol. We switched numbers instead, because I was too high to even think about sex.
Came home at 9am.
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Too high to ‘think’ about sex? Never had that, when I was high my mind was filthy, wanted to do all the dirtiest things.......being able to actually get hard (or even locate my ****) was another matter entirely lol

Arms look insane HGP. I’m enjoying this log, really interesting stuff going on
 
hairygrandpa said:
The power of carbs + Insulin. :)

-small diamond earring, check
-T-shirt one size too small, check
-camo-shorts, check
-brand sneakers, check

Gonna impress some rave chicks tonight. Muhahaha!
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I get the Ear Ring, X-Small Shirt, But Camo Shorts, is that what the chicks are into these days !!
 
Rocket3015 said:
I get the Ear Ring, X-Small Shirt, But Camo Shorts, is that what the chicks are into these days !!
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The camo worked only on one tall chick. Next time I gonna wear spray-on pants. :)

[video=youtube;hZkSFhfL-hM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZkSFhfL-hM[/video]
 
Whisky said:
Too high to ‘think’ about sex? Never had that, when I was high my mind was filthy, wanted to do all the dirtiest things.......being able to actually get hard (or even locate my ****) was another matter entirely lol

Arms look insane HGP. I’m enjoying this log, really interesting stuff going on
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I knew that sex was a no-go when I got outside to take a breather. Everything went numb, needed the beat to stay upright, lol.

I truly can now manipulate my looks with carbs and slin. Its insane. When I'm really lean, the changes will be even more dramatic. From a "middleweight boxer figure" to a "blown up body builder" its only a difference of 6 IU of slin /80gr carbs and water with some salt.
 
jtmass said:
What did you take to go all numb??
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2 x Iphone in 8 hours. Quality "x" from the Netherlands.
Numb, like in "mentally numbed down", slight vertigo. Not a state you wanna have sex in...-unless its in front of a loudspeaker with a heavy bass and hard-azz techno. :)
 
To crazy for me. I like my boring life!!
 
hairygrandpa said:
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2 x Iphone in 8 hours. Quality "x" from the Netherlands.
Numb, like in "mentally numbed down", slight vertigo. Not a state you wanna have sex in...-unless its in front of a loudspeaker with a heavy bass and hard-azz techno. :)
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The hell is that? :)
 
Big ol arm ya got there Mr. Wigballsoff!
 
00A said:
Where was wife when you went partying?
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Home. I had her permission. She does not like rave at all -she is more a metal/rock girl.
Our relationship is fairly open, in case you wondered -and we are NOT married -but together for about 28 years. She knows mostly what I'm up to, including my steroid / "re-creative stuff" use.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Home. I had her permission. She does not like rave at all -she is more a metal/rock girl.
Our relationship is fairly open, in case you wondered -and we are NOT married -but together for about 28 years. She knows mostly what I'm up to, including my steroid / "re-creative stuff" use.
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What ever you two are doing it must work, 28 years congratulations !!
 
Rocket3015 said:
What ever you two are doing it must work, 28 years congratulations !!
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Thank you! Time flies. The "openness" is the secret, I guess. We don't claim ownership of each other, ever. My guess is, this will hold until one of us dies. Its also my guess- it will be me first, LOL!
 
Gym, diet and cycle

Instead starting t-bol, I started a S-drol/DMZ cycle.

New cycle is:
2x16mg DMZ/ 1x 10 mg S-drol x day
250mg Test/w
1-2x week Insulin at 6 IU before workout and when carb back loading

Diet
-Intermittent fasting, max feeding window 21/3
Keto 5-6 days a week/ 1-2 days carb back loading
-Protein at minimum 180-200gr x day
-on carb days up to 300 gr x day

Workouts are pump focused. Difficult to explain, I go by intuition. If there is no burn felt in the muscle, I keep going until on fire.
Truly aggressive -but not overly heavy. Using TUT, RP and quick reps until burned out. Trying to stimulate -not annihilate. Still tweaking around.

Cardio now mixed LISS and HIIT. Mainly heavy bag and bicycle. No cardio on carb days (not gonna burn the precious glycogen with cardio).

I'm currently fiddling with intra workout dosing of minerals. Trying to figure out how I look after workout, loading with either sodium or potassium -or both.
 
Gym

Incline chest press machine
230lbs x15
300lbs x11
250lbs x13 RP 7 RP 5 RP 3 RP 3

Face pulls cables, rope regular
60lbs x24
70lbs x18
80lbs x14 RP 8 RP 7

Face pulls fists up, cable, rope
45lbs x20
60lbs x16
65lbs x13 RP 8 RP 6 RP 5

DB lateral raises, never to zero, constant tension
2x17lbs (8kg) x15/15/12/9 RP 7

Dragon flags
2x 30sec
1x 20sec
1 set crunches to failure

DB bent over rear delt raises/ 6 sets/ 2x17lbs, never to zero

seated row unilateral with chest stop
150lbs x20
150lbs 1 sec hold x14
150lbs quick x18

200lbs both arms x 14

heavy bag: 2x 1 minute quick, no pauses, constant punching, 1x 1 minute full power all angles
Bicycle 10 minutes up to 150 HR / 1 sprint to 160 HR
 
Hyde said:
The ol’ Super DMZ stack! At a 3:1 instead of 1:1 though. Should be good.
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Ah, did not know its a known stack. Mixed them as they are so similar -and I had only half a tub of S-drol. :)
I'm now on day 4 and can feel it working already. Should get interesting.
 
Hyde said:
The ol’ Super DMZ stack! At a 3:1 instead of 1:1 though. Should be good.
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I saw MrKleen73 doing something similar, like you said, 1:1 ? Like 1 capsule DMZ + 1 capsule S-drol. I believe for the same reason: leftover S-drol.
S-drol cycles are often cut short due to sides, I guess. Hehehe!
 
Its the third time I do s-drol. The last time I took 2x10mg as a stand alone in a recomp at maintenance cals.
The weird thing is, it only leaned me out. I was not happy at all, because I expected to look swole on it. MrKleen73 said, if I had done a cut, instead of a recomp, I would probably got shred on it. Here a pic from 6 month ago after the s-drol only (with 200mg test/w):

you can clearly see, I was not happy , LOL:

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Now, with the keto diet, I go for the shredded look. Lets see if I can pull that off.
 
Damn and I thought 2.0 was wild, the original must have been getting people all kinds of gainz good lord. Looks like a fun run though!

How’s it feeling overall when not working out? Curious what the sides are like.
 
ChocolateClen said:
Damn and I thought 2.0 was wild, the original must have been getting people all kinds of gainz good lord. Looks like a fun run though!

How’s it feeling overall when not working out? Curious what the sides are like.
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I swear, I have ALL the negative sides from ANY roid -besides S-drol. Its weird. No diminished hunger, only a bit upped BP, no ill feeling at all.

It feels good. As I said, it did not "pump me up" in the past like it does with others. It gave me some strength, like 20% more in the gym. On off days not feeling different, besides some headaches, easily curbed with aspirin.

My last cycle was about 4 weeks on 20mg/d. Kept it short, mostly because I saw no recomp -but a cut. I was an idiot. I should have changed my diet and finish 6 weeks cutting.

Now with keto, back loading and slin -I have the feeling it will give better results. This time I go for the "gymnast look".
S-drol seems to be "carb hungry". If I would go high carb -I bet I would look bigger overall due to glycogen retention.

Be aware, most people can't even finish a 3 weeks cycle of s-drol. 10mg/d + some DMZ is a good idea if you tolerated DMZ in the past.
 
Sdrol is a bulker for sure, could it be that you jumped from one cycle to another and therefore you didn't add much weight?
 
Chados said:
Sdrol is a bulker for sure, could it be that you jumped from one cycle to another and therefore you didn't add much weight?
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I do not want to gain anymore weight. At my age its better to lean out instead. 20 lbs less makes a huge difference for my knees and overall mobility. The tricky thing is to be as muscular as possible while cutting... I still don't get how sub 200 lbs people can look so huge, gonna keep trying. With carb restriction, sdrol has more cutting power than anything, comparable to tren I guess.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I do not want to gain anymore weight. At my age its better to lean out instead. 20 lbs less makes a huge difference for my knees and overall mobility. The tricky thing is to be as muscular as possible while cutting... I still don't get how sub 200 lbs people can look so huge, gonna keep trying. With carb restriction, sdrol has more cutting power than anything, comparable to tren I guess.
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Yeah that's a smart thing to focus on. I prefer it regardless of age. I used to be bulky but it takes away so much from your overall wellness. SD is great keeping muscle on but I don't think it's great to cut with.

you have a good frame so losing some weight shouldn't cause some massive loss in size.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I do not want to gain anymore weight. At my age its better to lean out instead. 20 lbs less makes a huge difference for my knees and overall mobility. The tricky thing is to be as muscular as possible while cutting... I still don't get how sub 200 lbs people can look so huge, gonna keep trying. With carb restriction, sdrol has more cutting power than anything, comparable to tren I guess.
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They are 4 foot tall !!
 
Chados said:
Yeah that's a smart thing to focus on. I prefer it regardless of age. I used to be bulky but it takes away so much from your overall wellness. SD is great keeping muscle on but I don't think it's great to cut with.

you have a good frame so losing some weight shouldn't cause some massive loss in size.
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I’ve never used Sdrol, and you’re entitled to your opinions certainly, but many a bodybuilder has contended that Sdrol is actually the perfect cutting oral, provided you can control your diet on it.
 
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