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Gaining muscles while losing fat. HGP tries the impossible, watch me fail!

Spurfy said:
He’s on nandrolone and is essentially doing a 3-4 iu/day cycle of HGH due to fasting adaptation.

A single bolus of high-dose aspirin will do nothing negative and everything positive in his current metabolic state.
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Yeah, forgot about that part.
 
Spurfy said:
Meh, it’s placebo. Everyone knows you need 6 meals a day and a calorie surplus to add strength and that it’s impossible to add muscle at the same time as you burn fat. Everyone knows this. Everyone.
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Muhahaha! You are right. Pure placebo.
 
Spurfy said:
He’s on nandrolone and is essentially doing a 3-4 iu/day cycle of HGH due to fasting adaptation.

A single bolus of high-dose aspirin will do nothing negative and everything positive in his current metabolic state.
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Well, I'm on 300mg NPP/w and 300mg test/w. That is a beginner puzzy cycle. The roids are not that important, IMHO.
I attribute my progress to the dietary changes. I never went this far. My determination is 100% for the first time, meaning I will do whatever it takes to push me to my goal. And yes, I have aspirin at hand...

Muhahaha, I will be the masculine equivalent to Kardashians butt...just wait.
 
Had the obligatory BBQ and billiard with friends today. All were amazed how lean I got...after me mentioning it, LOL.
But seriously, I'm on the right track after fugging around for 2 years. It feels like I can control my body purely by nutrition.
More carbs, after a workout = more muscular...too much carbs = spill over and bloated. Really unbelievable. I was totally blind for years.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Had the obligatory BBQ and billiard with friends today. All were amazed how lean I got...after me mentioning it, LOL.
But seriously, I'm on the right track after fugging around for 2 years. It feels like I can control my body purely by nutrition.
More carbs, after a workout = more muscular...too much carbs = spill over and bloated. Really unbelievable. I was totally blind for years.
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It's crazy the general effects of carb manipulation. When I was on cycle recently I added a load of carbs to my lunchtime meal in the form of rice to help add size. I believe it contributed to the overall feeling of bloat and stomach issues. I'm now low carb although not no carb. I swapped out the rice for mackerel and peanut butter on rice cakes for breakfast (I know I'm weird). The point is calories remained the same, actually slightly more but swapping out carbs for healthy fats and protein had me dropping 7 pounds of water weight in a couple of weeks. Another example of how more calories can equal weightloss.
 
Wobmarvel said:
It's crazy the general effects of carb manipulation. When I was on cycle recently I added a load of carbs to my lunchtime meal in the form of rice to help add size. I believe it contributed to the overall feeling of bloat and stomach issues. I'm now low carb although not no carb. I swapped out the rice for mackerel and peanut butter on rice cakes for breakfast (I know I'm weird). The point is calories remained the same, actually slightly more but swapping out carbs for healthy fats and protein had me dropping 7 pounds of water weight in a couple of weeks. Another example of how more calories can equal weightloss.
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I swear, the majority of people, bodybuilders -or not, are NOT aware of that. For me its like an awakening. It becomes so obvious after the zero diet, its like changing clothes.
In the past all revolved around meeting the protein requirements. Now its a different game. Its about looking good -or bloated. In between its looking flat. I control it. Really fugging awesome. I had no idea.

Optimizing it is now priority... fiddling between muscle gains and minimal requirements to keep the silhouette. I doubt most know about that.
 
Spurfy said:
Meh, it’s placebo. Everyone knows you need 6 meals a day and a calorie surplus to add strength and that it’s impossible to add muscle at the same time as you burn fat. Everyone knows this. Everyone.
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The people that have really believe that have obviously never used tren, lol.

hairygrandpa said:
I swear, the majority of people, bodybuilders -or not, are NOT aware of that. For me its like an awakening. It becomes so obvious after the zero diet, its like changing clothes.
In the past all revolved around meeting the protein requirements. Now its a different game. Its about looking good -or bloated. In between its looking flat. I control it. Really fugging awesome. I had no idea.

Optimizing it is now priority... fiddling between muscle gains and minimal requirements to keep the silhouette. I doubt most know about that.
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Meeting protein requirements is a base requirement for all athletes. Even super heavyweight powerlifters obey that, and look how they look - like mammoths, not Greek gods. Bodybuilding/body composition manipulation requires a more precise attention.

Sounds like you’re leveling up, so to speak!
 
hairygrandpa said:
I swear, the majority of people, bodybuilders -or not, are NOT aware of that. For me its like an awakening. It becomes so obvious after the zero diet, its like changing clothes.
In the past all revolved around meeting the protein requirements. Now its a different game. Its about looking good -or bloated. In between its looking flat. I control it. Really fugging awesome. I had no idea.

Optimizing it is now priority... fiddling between muscle gains and minimal requirements to keep the silhouette. I doubt most know about that.
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I always recommend this diet but I also think there's something to be said about being on steroids or not. Switching diets won't make a person turn in to a ripped mother flower with a few weeks.

The key to build muscle and to stay lean without ever adding fat is to keep a strict diet but also be able to increase calories or carbs temporarily. You can look amazing year round but to add more you have to eat more and finding this balance is, (I wouldn't call it a skill) but experience knowing your own body.
 
Spurfy said:
CICO (calories in vs calories out) is a nutritional myth. 400 grams of carbs is a lot different metabolically than 400 grams of protein, not the least which reason being the thermogenic effect of protein digestion -- protein digestion requires energy and produces heat. Anyone who has ever experienced the "meat sweats" will vouch for this fact.

I've had athletes on a *SEVERE* calorie restriction for 6 days a week, with continued training for their sport, followed by a massive overfeed on the 7th day, gain some serious muscle while getting shredded in less than 10 weeks.

I can take *any* able-bodied person with a bodyfat below 30% and make them look like they're a professional athlete in 12 weeks or less if they follow *every single thing I say* without exception, and this is without gear. With gear? 8-10 weeks.

My point in all this is not to brag, it's to show how powerful the manipulation of metabolic adaptations through diet and exercise can be. There is no able-bodied person that cannot transform, quickly, if they just understand how and why the body adapts to various stressors.
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This thread is making me re-think my diet over the last 30 years !!
 
Spurfy said:
CICO (calories in vs calories out) is a nutritional myth. 400 grams of carbs is a lot different metabolically than 400 grams of protein, not the least which reason being the thermogenic effect of protein digestion -- protein digestion requires energy and produces heat. Anyone who has ever experienced the "meat sweats" will vouch for this fact.

I've had athletes on a *SEVERE* calorie restriction for 6 days a week, with continued training for their sport, followed by a massive overfeed on the 7th day, gain some serious muscle while getting shredded in less than 10 weeks.

I can take *any* able-bodied person with a bodyfat below 30% and make them look like they're a professional athlete in 12 weeks or less if they follow *every single thing I say* without exception, and this is without gear. With gear? 8-10 weeks.

My point in all this is not to brag, it's to show how powerful the manipulation of metabolic adaptations through diet and exercise can be. There is no able-bodied person that cannot transform, quickly, if they just understand how and why the body adapts to various stressors.
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Why would you put someone on gear just for a 2 week early goal date? Totally worth the 2 weeks to keep ones system operating naturally. Learn more about how to listen to the body, keeps the BODY producing the hormones and opti.izes that stuff the right way. I dont care how smart one is. To many variables to control make the experiment much more complicated and more can go wrong.

Its one thing if someone wants to look like ronnie coleman, theyre gunna need gear. But to lean out and get strong 2 weeks early? Keep them off the gear, its a no brainer. First thing youve said about supplements Ive disagreed with.
 
Fasted said:
Why would you put someone on gear just for a 2 week early goal date? Totally worth the 2 weeks to keep ones system operating naturally. Learn more about how to listen to the body, keeps the BODY producing the hormones and opti.izes that stuff the right way. I dont care how smart one is. To many variables to control make the experiment much more complicated and more can go wrong.

Its one thing if someone wants to look like ronnie coleman, theyre gunna need gear. But to lean out and get strong 2 weeks early? Keep them off the gear, its a no brainer. First thing youve said about supplements Ive disagreed with.
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I think he was just pointing out that you can obviously Reach that goal faster with gear. Up to 4 weeks faster.
 
Back from the farm. Harvested 220 pounds of tilapia and converted it to 45 pounds of tilapia fillet.
Today is fasting day. Every Sunday is. Next feeding window opens Monday night after training, that puts me, including Saturday night, at a weekly 48 hours fast.

Weight is holding steady at 94kg (207lbs). I see it as positive, at least no lean mass lost.

I dropped the NPP, because I'm out of proviron and my left nipple started aching. Found some Anavar, gonna use it up, then bridge to T-bol.
Cycle for the next 2 weeks is:
250mg test/w
20mg Anavar/d

After that:
250mg test/w
45mg t-bol/d
 
hairygrandpa said:
Back from the farm. Harvested 220 pounds of tilapia and converted it to 45 pounds of tilapia fillet.
Today is fasting day. Every Sunday is. Next feeding window opens Monday night after training, that puts me, including Saturday night, at a weekly 48 hours fast.

Weight is holding steady at 94kg (207lbs). I see it as positive, at least no lean mass lost.

I dropped the NPP, because I'm out of proviron and my left nipple started aching. Found some Anavar, gonna use it up, then bridge to T-bol.
Cycle for the next 2 weeks is:
250mg test/w
20mg Anavar/d

After that:
250mg test/w
45mg t-bol/d
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How is the 24-48 hour fast affecting your mood HGP? I know the longer fast had a noticeable impact but do you get the same clarity, energy etc off the shorter fasts?
 
Whisky said:
How is the 24-48 hour fast affecting your mood HGP? I know the longer fast had a noticeable impact but do you get the same clarity, energy etc off the shorter fasts?
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We'll see if he starts laying into everyone on here by Monday afternoon ;p
 
Whisky said:
How is the 24-48 hour fast affecting your mood HGP? I know the longer fast had a noticeable impact but do you get the same clarity, energy etc off the shorter fasts?
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I FEEL LIKE SUPERMAN. Seriously. Rejected beer and grilled lamb loin chops today. Fasting will be now my new life style. Any fasting. Intermittent most of the time.
Here a breakdown:

Monday: IF + Keto + Gym/pm +HIIT Cardio (feed after Gym)
Tuesday:IF + Keto
Wednesday:IF + Keto + Gym/pm +HIIT Cardio (feed after Gym)
Thursday:IF + Keto + Gym/pm + Carb back-load (feed after Gym)
Friday:IF + Keto + Gym/pm/ Heavy weight, no cardio (feed after Gym)
Saturday: IF + Keto + socializing (alcohol -vodka+zero carb soda)
Sunday: Fasting

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DemntedCowboy said:
Great Job HGP. Glad you found something that seems to be working very well for you
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My guess, it may work for you too. Apparently, after being obese for long time (we both), insulin sensitivity has to be recovered first (by fasting, IF, keto -or all three).
That explains our previous struggle -and why only cutting cals is not the way to go (at least for me). You visibly leaned out too. Keep grinding!
 
Never been close to obese but I had a period when I did what people might call a dirty bulk and it ruined my abs. I was walking around with a 6 pack since kindergarten lol, and it took me one stupid diet to mess It up. Only way to really cut up was to go low carbs and stay on a very limited calorie intake. It's like your body gets used to be lean again and now it's easy to stay that way just as it was as a teenager. Whenever you get fat your body accepts that, and even if you drop weight you'll almost certainly stays skinny fat if you don't have a good diet.

Not saying my way is THE way but I'd assume it'd work for most people and I think you're on to something.
 
Chados said:
Never been close to obese but I had a period when I did what people might call a dirty bulk and it ruined my abs. I was walking around with a 6 pack since kindergarten lol, and it took me one stupid diet to mess It up. Only way to really cut up was to go low carbs and stay on a very limited calorie intake. It's like your body gets used to be lean again and now it's easy to stay that way just as it was as a teenager. Whenever you get fat your body accepts that, and even if you drop weight you'll almost certainly stays skinny fat if you don't have a good diet.

Not saying my way is THE way but I'd assume it'd work for most people and I think you're on to something.
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I think you are right. I bet when I'm at the BF% I want, I can stay that way without much hustle -but until then its a struggle. Damn body has to be reconfigured.
 
Chados said:
Never been close to obese but I had a period when I did what people might call a dirty bulk and it ruined my abs. I was walking around with a 6 pack since kindergarten lol, and it took me one stupid diet to mess It up. Only way to really cut up was to go low carbs and stay on a very limited calorie intake. It's like your body gets used to be lean again and now it's easy to stay that way just as it was as a teenager. Whenever you get fat your body accepts that, and even if you drop weight you'll almost certainly stays skinny fat if you don't have a good diet.

Not saying my way is THE way but I'd assume it'd work for most people and I think you're on to something.
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Lol. I ruined my abs when I was 3 haha. They never came back!
 
hairygrandpa said:
I think you are right. I bet when I'm at the BF% I want, I can stay that way without much hustle -but until then its a struggle. Damn body has to be reconfigured.
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Yeah it's like you have to get lean and not just go halfway all the time and coming off steroids is a huge threat to the physique but easily managed.

I think the problem most people encounter is that they eat whatever natural and when on steroids they just go all in rather than trying to slowly change the physique with the diet. If you're bulking and have a higher metabolism with steroids some say that you should eat more to maintain. Eat more without steroids makes 0 sense especially with the raise in cortisol. Cutting is a bit different, if you eat too little on steroids and lose weight you can quite safely keep that diet after coming off because contrary to what we think about steroids they actually makes you lose weight due to higher metabolism. In other words you'd be at maintenance coming off and dropping weight while on (considering you use the right amount of calories)
 
BennyMagoo79 said:
Get some calipers and give us a number for that bf%! You look pretty shredded to me!
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I can see where still blubber is. Have no calipers. My guess is 17-18%BF. Until no rips are seen from the side, not lean enough.
My estimate is 6 weeks from now, then I could be near my goal of 15%.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Looking good. You have good sized abdominal muscles mate!
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Seriously? I'm not sure what I'm looking at. Could be fatty liver peaking through, LOL.
I figured my waist will not get much smaller, because of my obliques. That interferes with my dream of becoming a underwear model a bit.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Seriously? I'm not sure what I'm looking at. Could be fatty liver peaking through, LOL.
I figured my waist will not get much smaller, because of my obliques. That interferes with my dream of becoming a underwear model a bit.
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You can definitely get there, it's just about patience and not fall back when you come off gear.
 
hairygrandpa said:
The day I come off of gear is, when I'm too old and can't remember that I am on TRT.
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Haha true but trt isn't sufficient to keep everything but it'll help a lot. Its still a major blow granted not so much with only 300mg deca to come off. When you get in to the higher number you'd add more but you'd need probably 300mg test a week to maintain.
 
Chados said:
Haha true but trt isn't sufficient to keep everything but it'll help a lot. Its still a major blow granted not so much with only 300mg deca to come off. When you get in to the higher number you'd add more but you'd need probably 300mg test a week to maintain.
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I don't think so. IMHO, I'm not past my genetic limits. I'm too "tiny" for that. Besides, I went for a few month on 175mg/w test with no muscle loss (or at least I think not).

Now I switched the NPP for 20mg/d Anavar + 250mg test/w, for as long I'll be cutting.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I don't think so. IMHO, I'm not past my genetic limits. I'm too "tiny" for that. Besides, I went for a few month on 175mg/w test with no muscle loss (or at least I think not).

Now I switched the NPP for 20mg/d Anavar + 250mg test/w, for as long I'll be cutting.
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But you're not om crazy dosages, if you manage to kinda balance diet with coming off you can look amazing but it's almost a certainty you'd lose a little weight or that you'll add a little fat. Going from npp to var will help a ton and of argue its way better to slowly taper things down than to just come off, example going from npp to var.


Hey you're not tiny:D 96 kg isn't exactly light let alone at your height.
 
Leanest look so far !!
 
Chados said:
But you're not om crazy dosages, if you manage to kinda balance diet with coming off you can look amazing but it's almost a certainty you'd lose a little weight or that you'll add a little fat. Going from npp to var will help a ton and of argue its way better to slowly taper things down than to just come off, example going from npp to var.


Hey you're not tiny:D 96 kg isn't exactly light let alone at your height.
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Ah, you meant by "coming off" switching compounds! NPP had me hold additional water. Var should harden me up a bit. Don't have the money to buy more of it, so I'll make a switch to t-bol in about 2 weeks.
Whats weird is, since dropping NPP/proviron and taking var, my libido shot up sky high. Almost perma-boner.
 
Spurfy said:
CICO (calories in vs calories out) is a nutritional myth. 400 grams of carbs is a lot different metabolically than 400 grams of protein, not the least which reason being the thermogenic effect of protein digestion -- protein digestion requires energy and produces heat. Anyone who has ever experienced the "meat sweats" will vouch for this fact.
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My point in all this is not to brag, it's to show how powerful the manipulation of metabolic adaptations through diet and exercise can be.
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The latest science supports Spurfy.

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Stay safe! Stay strong!
 
Spurfy said:
Well, hell... he just basically described most of a chapter of my book. Although I do delve into ways to convert WAT to BAT, and the effects of fasting-induced increases in GH release and cortisol on WAT and BAT, as well as the differences in VAT and SAT and how each responds differently to various hormones, including androgens.

Good video.
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Well, finish your book more quickly, before all other stuff gets discovered by the competition. :)
 
Humble said:
Here is the “plain language version”.

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In the middle of the video, the doc puts emphasis on : "You don't have to be in deep ketosis to reap the benefits." Since I have the keto strips, I never got above 0.5, always staying in the lower part of the color spectrum. Doing more cardio would help, its about my sedentary lifestyle -but hey, its good as it is -and I see and feel it working anyway.
 
Spurfy said:
1. Finish quickly
2. Lots of relevant data supporting claims
3. Easy to read

Choose two.
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If the books goal is to make money:
1 & 3. Substitute 2 with transformation pics and some blood labs results. That appeals more to the feeble minded than mountains of data.
 
Well, today after the fast from yesterday, keto strips got very dark. :)

I'm "Keto-Man".

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Gym was apocalyptic.

Did full body, lots of exercises, all to perceived 80% of failure. Last was legs, then heavy bag, then "bicycle -overkill-".

Spinning at Level 20 / 25mph until HR reaches 165. Then calm down to HR 150 and again...and again....and again.

I live 3 blocks from the gym. I needed 20 minutes to get to my doorstep. I walked like a duck who got azz raped by an ostrich.
 
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