7 Days fasting. Zero calories for 168 hours. HGP's short log

[ValiantThor08]

https://youtu.be/iVOzvYpZVf0

 

[ValiantThor08]

https://youtu.be/nlgfaMYdTpI

 

[Wobmarvel]

Yes, exactly. I don't have this "toxic" stuff even in the house, none of it. My whole family switched bad habits, because of me getting conscious about it.

By the way, since I started coaching my daughter (together with the new family nutrition). Yesterday she did 4 good form push ups, formerly 0. She did 12 smith squats with great depth, formerly 3. The week I went on the fast was her deloading week, it worked wonders!

That's really cool, it's great you all tackle it as a family. My kids are only 5 and 7 but they will still join in with some of my workouts and they will have the odd protein shake with added banana (although I make theirs with milk).

At least coco pops are cheap, I would maybe buy something like that in bulk so that you can do the protocol but be forced to eat the same carb source every time. It would reduce the chances of me messing up the diet. If I had sweets, pringles, softdrinks etc. To give myself fast carb options there would just be too much temptation there for the whole family let alone just myself.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Wondering now. Does it matter, when backloading, if it is plain sugar -or something like dextrose, maltose ? Is any low glycemic carb useful equally?

 

[ValiantThor08]

Wondering now. Does it matter, when backloading, if it is plain sugar -or something like dextrose, maltose ? Is any low glycemic carb useful equally?

With carb backloading, no low glycemic carb is useful due to the fact it will take you longer to get back into ketosis. Any high glycemic carb is fair game.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Sorry, I meant high glycemic...like fructose, dextrose and so on. Are they all equally valid?

 

[ValiantThor08]

Sorry, I meant high glycemic...like fructose, dextrose and so on. Are they all equally valid?

They are! If it elicits a big insulin response, winner winner chicken dinner.

 

[hairygrandpa]

They are! If it elicits a big insulin response, winner winner chicken dinner.

On backloading days, they are talking about 500 gr of carbs or more. So in theory, 1 pound of plain sugar would do? The mental picture that comes up is somewhat surreal. Isn't it?

 

[ValiantThor08]

On backloading days, they are talking about 500 gr of carbs or more. So in theory, 1 pound of plain sugar would do? The mental picture that comes up is somewhat surreal. Isn't it?

I never got that high. Usually highest was around 300, maybe a little more. You don't have to do the maximum, which is an assumption anyways, everyone is able to carry a specific amount of glycogen due to everyone having varying amount of muscle.

 

[hairygrandpa]

I never got that high. Usually highest was around 300, maybe a little more. You don't have to do the maximum, which is an assumption anyways, everyone is able to carry a specific amount of glycogen due to everyone having varying amount of muscle.

Supposing I carry more muscles than you, I would need 400gr of hg carbs from a non-fat source. I'm really trying to grasp the sheer amounts of mentos I would have to chew down.

 

[Chados]

Don't go nuts on plain sugar. Eat a ton of pasta instead, maybe a pizza.

One thing that I highly recommend is to look in to branched cycled dextrin or (cluster dextrin) during workout. I mean you can tell by the name it's cool right?

 

[ValiantThor08]

Supposing I carry more muscles than you, I would need 400gr of hg carbs from a non-fat source. I'm really trying to grasp the sheer amounts of mentos I would have to chew down.

Don't think of it that way lol. Think of it this way. 1 container of fettuccini is only 328g of carbs

 

[Fasted]

On backloading days, they are talking about 500 gr of carbs or more. So in theory, 1 pound of plain sugar would do? The mental picture that comes up is somewhat surreal. Isn't it?

No. No pounds of sugar. Thats gunna kill you man

 

[Wobmarvel]

Supposing I carry more muscles than you, I would need 400gr of hg carbs from a non-fat source. I'm really trying to grasp the sheer amounts of mentos I would have to chew down.

I think breakfast cerials are your best bet.

 

[ValiantThor08]

If you go the pizza route, have them put on less cheese.

 

[hairygrandpa]

I think breakfast cerials are your best bet.

Nah...that's low glycemic .

 

[Wobmarvel]

Nah...that's low glycemic .

Frosted flakes?

 

[hairygrandpa]

If you go the pizza route, have them put on less cheese.

Don't like pizza (The only one on planet earth, I guess). It will be white pasta, that I like!

 

[ValiantThor08]

Don't like pizza (The only one on planet earth, I guess). It will be white pasta, that I like!

Love white pasta. Alfredo, spaghetti, butter garlic. Yummy.

 

[Wobmarvel]

If you go the pizza route, have them put on less cheese.

How much fat can you get away with?

 

[hairygrandpa]

Frosted flakes?

10% frosted flakes / 20% raisins /70% mentos

 

[ValiantThor08]

How much fat can you get away with?

I would say around 30g is a safe bet.

 

[Fasted]

https://youtu.be/iVOzvYpZVf0

Holy crap. Dude just said his body can tell the difference between yeast from the U.S. vs. Europe. Ive learned a LOT about how.to.listen to my body over the years, but wow, to stomach brain the origin of yeast!? Way cool. Gotta find me some imported bread to try this weekend.

 

[BOSSMAN]

I think breakfast cerials are your best bet.

Hgp...I eat cereal every day, it can become a very good snack. Even dry it's good

 

[hairygrandpa]

Holy crap. Dude just said his body can tell the difference between yeast from the U.S. vs. Europe. Ive learned a LOT about how.to.listen to my body over the years, but wow, to stomach brain the origin of yeast!? Way cool. Gotta find me some imported bread to try this weekend.

I'm still watching / listening....

 

[PoSiTiVeFLoW]

10% frosted flakes / 20% raisins /70% mentos

Bad joke, perhaps DC "cut diet" should not influence you here, lol.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Bad joke, perhaps DC "cut diet" should not influence you here, lol.

Don't know what "DC" stands for.

Got the joke but will not keep fueling conversations about him -or related topics

 

[THOR 70]

Nah...that's low glycemic .

I can assure you that coco rice crispies are not low glycemic haha

 

[hairygrandpa]

Hgp...I eat cereal every day, it can become a very good snack. Even dry it's good

Nah...wrong advise. We are discussing keto with backloading on high glycemic carbs. No cereals, beans, whole wheat. That was good in a normal diet for during the day -now the opposite.

 

[00A]

You ever taken fat burners? Tell me more

 

[hairygrandpa]

You ever taken fat burners? Tell me more

Besides T3 , T4 and DNP all of them in the past.

Clen worked best but got all jittery on it. Abandoned "fat burners" about a year ago. I use stims with supposed fat burning qualities sometimes -but only for the stim effect. For me, fat burners are a commercial invention and do work only marginally, if at all.

 

[Hyde]

If you have ever paid attention to the foods I use to load after a watercut prior to competition, that’s what you want.

Pancakes w syrup and berries and juice first meal, then white rice or pasta or mashed white potatoes (these can be too filling, and consider peeling the normally healthy skin off) with white breads, bagels with jam or honey, or flour tortillas through the day. Tomato sauces on pasta are good.

Jasmine rice, tortillas, and taco-seasoned very lean meat is excellent.

Kids cereal and skim milk has been mentioned, as has candy. Very low-fat frozen custard with sweet sauces can be good. I love blueberry lemonade during a reload, and Gatorade mixed half strength.

 

[Whisky]

Supposing I carry more muscles than you, I would need 400gr of hg carbs from a non-fat source. I'm really trying to grasp the sheer amounts of mentos I would have to chew down.

You also store a fair amount of glycogen in the liver, normally around 20% of total stored is there I believe. I’d suggest for your weight 120g in the liver and 400g in the muscle is the minimum you store.....

 

[hairygrandpa]

You also store a fair amount of glycogen in the liver, normally around 20% of total stored is there I believe. I’d suggest for your weight 120g in the liver and 400g in the muscle is the minimum you store.....

As I understand:
On keto diet liver is full with ketones already. When carb backloading, you only fill up glycogen stores in muscles -not liver. That is why you stay in ketosis afterwards.

Correct, everyone?

 

[ValiantThor08]

As I understand:
On keto diet liver is full with ketones already. When carb backloading, you only fill up glycogen stores in muscles -not liver. That is why you stay in ketosis afterwards.

Correct, everyone?

Yes. You don't want to restore liver glycogen.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Preparing my meal:

13 eggs, cut grilled meat, sour cream mixed in for fat, 1 small bell pepper and 1 tomato to give it color.

 

[ValiantThor08]

Preparing my meal:

13 eggs, cut grilled meat, sour cream mixed in for fat, 1 small bell pepper and 1 tomato to give it color.

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That is a meal. How many meals/calories you going for daily?

 

[Hyde]

Yes. You don't want to restore liver glycogen.

In that case, limit fructose consumption. It will still work - we know anecdotally it really does work still, although it shouldn’t work so well on paper. But, I wouldn’t go heavy on fruits, juice, or corn syrup for the sake of it. Basically only whatever you really want.

Preparing my meal:

13 eggs, cut grilled meat, sour cream mixed in for fat, 1 small bell pepper and 1 tomato to give it color.

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That looks divine

 

[hairygrandpa]

That is a meal. How many meals/calories you going for daily?

Not counting, I try only to get my needed protein + fat. As it is only one meal x day, I should be in a deficit.
Lets see how much we have here:

13 eggs = 80gr prot/145gr fat/7gr carbs
300gr beef = 75prot/65gr fat
sour cream = 2 gr prot 20gr fat / 2gr carbs

Total: prot 160gr / fat 230 gr /carbs 12gr (including tomato+pepper)
Total calories: 1850 - 2000

 

[ValiantThor08]

Not counting, I try only to get my needed protein + fat. As it is only one meal x day, I should be in a deficit.
Lets see how much we have here:

13 eggs = 80gr prot/145gr fat/7gr carbs
300gr beef = 75prot/65gr fat
sour cream = 2 gr prot 20gr fat / 2gr carbs

Total: prot 160gr / fat 230 gr /carbs 12gr (including tomato+pepper)
Total calories: 1850 - 2000

Not bad. At one meal, you are going to burn through fat.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Not bad. At one meal, you are going to burn through fat.

I mean, its HUGE. Now down about 40% of the bowl. 90 minutes left to finish it, then the feeding window closes.

 

[Hyde]

I mean, its HUGE. Now down about 40% of the bowl. 90 minutes left to finish it, then the feeding window closes.

Eat faster!

 

[hairygrandpa]

Eat faster!

Yes, its like a damn race against time. Thanks to ValiantThor08 , I counted calories and fat content -and now it HITS me.

Just to get to my daily needed protein, I consume a huge amount of fat with it already AND calories. Not much room for stuff like nuts. Good to know. Either my future meals get smaller -or no more nuts for me. Made a huge error in the past assuming, since no carbs are involved, I had room calorie wise. EEEEH - buzzer - sound!

 

[Fasted]

This is an attribution error. The reason he can “feel” a difference is because non-organic American wheat is heavily contaminated with glyphosate.

Well isnt that wonderful. So I REALLY need to find some imported bread! Guess thats one more reason to avoid carbs...

 

[tyga tyga]

That is a meal. How many meals/calories you going for daily?

Man, looks delicious!

 

[Hyde]

Yes, its like a damn race against time. Thanks to ValiantThor08 , I counted calories and fat content -and now it HITS me.

Just to get to my daily needed protein, I consume a huge amount of fat with it already AND calories. Not much room for stuff like nuts. Good to know. Either my future meals get smaller -or no more nuts for me. Made a huge error in the past assuming, since no carbs are involved, I had room calorie wise. EEEEH - buzzer - sound!

Nuts are a terrific way to add calories without much satiety. This makes them great to dial calories up to a target number if already stuffed, but a poor choice to consume without measure!

 

[thebigt]

This is an attribution error. The reason he can “feel” a difference is because non-organic American wheat is heavily contaminated with glyphosate.

didn't europe pass some kind of non import of gmo?

 

[thebigt]

Probably, but wheat isn’t GMO-approved even in the United States.

back maybe 10 years ago[maybe longer] I saw a video of what gmo corn did to intestines of cattle, it wasn't pretty.

 

[manifesto]

I just wanted to point out (again) how refreshing this log is. I remember when eating every 2 hours was all the rage..."stoke the fire" for metabolism and all that...

Now we are looking for ways to eat less often...so interesting

 

[ValiantThor08]

I just wanted to point out (again) how refreshing this log is. I remember when eating every 2 hours was all the rage..."stoke the fire" for metabolism and all that...

Now we are looking for ways to eat less often...so interesting

I personally still like 3 meals a day to easily get over 3000 calories.