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Gaining muscles while losing fat. HGP tries the impossible, watch me fail!

Whenever I do a water cut for a comp, I do a dry fast for 24 hours typically. That’s exactly what I do - I rationalize why I don’t actually need food or liquid and these hunger & thirst pangs aren’t real.

The body follows wherever the mind can lead it, in my experience.
 
Spurfy said:
I would eat a very high fat diet on Sunday, zero carbs, limited protein. I would also start taking 300 mg of ALA after every meal starting right now -- this will make your transition to ketosis easier.

For fasting: Monday will be easy, Tuesday harder, Wednesday very very *very* hard, Thursday easier, Friday easy.

Do not underestimate how rough day 3 will be. If you break, that's when it will happen. Black coffee or diluted green tea is your best friend if you start to lose your mind thinking about how hungry you are. Full strength green tea will probably make you vomit.

Also, do not poke the bear. Don't look at food porn, don't think about your fast-breaking meal, do not think about food. Tell yourself over and over, "I'm not hungry. This isn't real."

After your fast, you will be a changed man. Physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually.
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Will do! Have R-ALA at hand. You mentioned food several times, got hungry already. :)
 
Spurfy said:
It declines slightly after day 3, but still is very highly elevated for the duration of fasting:

"The 5-d fast resulted in a significant increase in discrete GH pulse frequency (5.8 +/- 0.7 vs. 9.9 +/- 0.7 pulses/24 h, P = 0.028), 24 h integrated GH concentration (2.82 +/- 0.50 vs. 8.75 +/- 0.82 micrograms.min/ml; P = 0.0002), and maximal pulse amplitude (5.9 +/- 1.1 vs. 12.3 +/- 1.6 ng/ml, P less than 0.005)."
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"the ratio of N loss to weight loss during an extended fast is inversely related to body fat content, being about 20 g/kg in the nonobese"
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Was this your result after you fasted?
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Even a massive calorie (deficit) would lead to muscle breakdown, a fat reduction with fasting almost always leads to a fatgain while getting the muscles back. You're not gonna get shredded because you have a high gh for a couple of days, you'd just lose fat because you don't eat.

I was just sick and lost roughly 15lbs, mostly water and I depleted, my diet was not amazing but fairly clean, I went back to the same weight with mk677 and I'm a still lean but not like before. Before I got sick I was at very low bodyfat with an extremely clean diet that consisted of 200gr of carbs, high fat and protein and I've been standing still for months, it's really on the verge of eating too little, just maintaining. If I want to go back to what I looked like I'd have to eat the same amount of calories as when I started but since im underweight the calorie intake would be too high and I'd be adding fat. The only way to get back would be to change my intake slowly and gradually get back to my normal intake.

Now yes it can be done but according to studies most people gain fat back probably because just like you mentioned, muscles can be gained back fast and that's not always the best way to do it.

What I do believe is that a short fast or someone who's willing to lose size would benefit far more than someone that wants to get size back within two weeks.
 
Spurfy , by the way. I have to give you credit for advising using DHT during a 19-nor cycle to curb prolactin sides. I lactated before, even on moderate 19-nor dosages. Now using 75mg/d Proviron with 250mg/w NPP and no nipple trouble.
Thank you for that!
 
Hyde said:
Whenever I do a water cut for a comp, I do a dry fast for 24 hours typically. That’s exactly what I do - I rationalize why I don’t actually need food or liquid and these hunger & thirst pangs aren’t real.

The body follows wherever the mind can lead it, in my experience.
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I look at it this way...

We push very heavy weights and for this we have to convince ourselves that we can. No one who thinks: "I can't get this last rep", will get that last rep.

Fasting is no different: If you believe that you're hungry, then you're hungry. Besides, the hunger that we experience isn't true hunger, it's just a breakdown in a normal pattern of comfort that we've grown accustomed to that triggers certain physiologic processes and emotional states that we associate with a need for food, but this need for food isn't real. As long as you have adipose tissue, you don't need food -- this is the sole purpose of this tissue. True hunger -- when fat stores are fully depleted and lean tissue is all that remains for fuel (ie, starvation) -- will drive a man to eat leather, or dirt, or wood chips, because it *cannot* be ignored.

When we're lifting we're not thinking about how hard each rep is (at least I'm not), we're thinking only of the number that we need to reach and (hopefully) focusing on feeling the muscles work. If all we did was focus on how difficult the lift was, none of us would lift, because it would not be enjoyable.

Fasting can be very enjoyable once you set your mind firmly that:

1. I will not break this fast no matter how much I may want to
2. I will not think about food, and if I catch myself thinking about food I'll focus on something else

People run into trouble because they're not sure if they will make it through their entire fast, acting as if whether or not they break their fast early is entirely dependent on variables outside of their control, or they only half commit to fasting and allow their mind to torture them by thinking about food.

If fasting was inherently easy, there would be no cancer and we'd all live to be 100, but fasting is only hard because we make it hard.
 
Spurfy said:
I look at it this way...

We push very heavy weights and for this we have to convince ourselves that we can. No one who thinks: "I can't get this last rep", will get that last rep.

Fasting is no different: If you believe that you're hungry, then you're hungry. Besides, the hunger that we experience isn't true hunger, it's just a breakdown in a normal pattern of comfort that we've grown accustomed to that triggers certain physiologic processes and emotional states that we associate with a need for food, but this need for food isn't real. As long as you have adipose tissue, you don't need food -- this is the sole purpose of this tissue. True hunger -- when fat stores are fully depleted and lean tissue is all that remains for fuel (ie, starvation) -- will drive a man to eat leather, or dirt, or wood chips, because it *cannot* be ignored.

When we're lifting we're not thinking about how hard each rep is (at least I'm not), we're thinking only of the number that we need to reach and (hopefully) focusing on feeling the muscles work. If all we did was focus on how difficult the lift was, none of us would lift, because it would not be enjoyable.

Fasting can be very enjoyable once you set your mind firmly that:

1. I will not break this fast no matter how much I may want to
2. I will not think about food, and if I catch myself thinking about food I'll focus on something else

People run into trouble because they're not sure if they will make it through their entire fast, acting as if whether or not they break their fast early is entirely dependent on variables outside of their control, or they only half commit to fasting and allow their mind to torture them by thinking about food.

If fasting was inherently easy, there would be no cancer and we'd all live to be 100, but fasting is only hard because we make it hard.
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Well said,and I agree 100%
 
Gym

One armed seated lat pull down/SS/ Elevated push ups with handles 3 sec lowering
lat 90lbs x12
push x25
lat 100lbs x9
push x20
lat 110lbs x5+1
push x16

Lat pull down
235lbs x11
unilateral twist: 150lbs x10

lat press down rope
60lbs x13/12/12/9

decline BB bench
180lbs x 25
180lbs lowering 4 sec. x 9
180lbs double dipping x 8

unilateral leg curls standing
45lbs x5
35lbs x10/9/9

low pulley bent over rear delt crossovers
20lbs x15/15/13 RP3 RP3 RP3 RP3 RP3 RP1

Bicycle 10 min
 
Hey hairygrandpa - been listening to a lot of Ben Greenfield podcasts lately, I know you like the anti ageing/longevity/quality of life stuff so I jotted down a few things that one of the top guys in America (in the field of life extension) uses himself, namely TAM818, ta65 and isagenises - there’s a book called the Kaufman protocol that he highly rated.....
 
Whisky said:
Hey hairygrandpa - been listening to a lot of Ben Greenfield podcasts lately, I know you like the anti ageing/longevity/quality of life stuff so I jotted down a few things that one of the top guys in America (in the field of life extension) uses himself, namely TAM818, ta65 and isagenises - there’s a book called the Kaufman protocol that he highly rated.....
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Will look it up.

If you haven't seen this:
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hairygrandpa said:
Will look it up.

If you haven't seen this:
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I haven’t seen it - just watched the first 45 mins (getting late over here now) and will watch the rest tomorrow.

One common theme (I tend to look for common themes and go with those rather than where experts dispute things - like Sinclair uses metformin but greenfield doesn’t due to some of the studies showing negative side effects) - one that stands out is mtor and how for muscle growth we need to activate it but actually for longevity it needs to get supressed.....I mean that’s a sh1t choice for people like us (pursuers of dem gainz) to have to make right lol

The other one is fasting - from what I’m hearing some form of fasting is pretty key in longevity and body comp. thinking I need to bring that into my nutrition as I’d not appreciated some of the extra health benefits it has.
 
Whisky said:
I haven’t seen it - just watched the first 45 mins (getting late over here now) and will watch the rest tomorrow.

One common theme (I tend to look for common themes and go with those rather than where experts dispute things - like Sinclair uses metformin but greenfield doesn’t due to some of the studies showing negative side effects) - one that stands out is mtor and how for muscle growth we need to activate it but actually for longevity it needs to get supressed.....I mean that’s a sh1t choice for people like us (pursuers of dem gainz) to have to make right lol

The other one is fasting - from what I’m hearing some form of fasting is pretty key in longevity and body comp. thinking I need to bring that into my nutrition as I’d not appreciated some of the extra health benefits it has.
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Sinclair was the one betting heavily on telomerase lengthening in the past, with his astragalus derivatives . Now it seems, he pursues other ways.
I'm somewhat cautious, the products you mentioned, are high priced, as were Sinclairs products in the past. Smells like expensive quackery to me, unless they also mention compounds a regular guy could purchase (like epithalon or L-carnosine) who is not a millionaire.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Sinclair was the one betting heavily on telomerase lengthening in the past, with his astragalus derivatives . Now it seems, he pursues other ways.
I'm somewhat cautious, the products you mentioned, are high priced, as were Sinclairs products in the past. Smells like expensive quackery to me, unless they also mention compounds a regular guy could purchase (like epithalon or L-carnosine) who is not a millionaire.
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Price should come down as it becomes wider known...... the issgenesis doesn’t look that bad though tbf.....I’m just going to try and add the cost effective things I can do into my regime. Mediation is pretty much free and helps massively (in fairness in the greenfield podcast he talks a lot about gratefulness, mindfulness, limiting stress, enjoying a social life, minimising insulin variability etc - all basically free but make as big a difference as the supps)
 
Whisky said:
Price should come down as it becomes wider known...... the issgenesis doesn’t look that bad though tbf.....I’m just going to try and add the cost effective things I can do into my regime. Mediation is pretty much free and helps massively (in fairness in the greenfield podcast he talks a lot about gratefulness, mindfulness, limiting stress, enjoying a social life, minimising insulin variability etc - all basically free but make as big a difference as the supps)
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Is there a statistic about life expectancy of Buddhist monks ? I mean, they meditate most of their life, live stress free and eat sparingly. :)
 
BEAST73 said:
I’m not sold on this 7 day fasting. What are you going to do too keep the fat off if you lose body fat hairygrandpa?
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I saw this vid and give it a try.

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It promises up to 13 lbs of fat loss without loss of muscles -and a ton of other benefits. Besides, I'm a bit masochistic and want to see what I'm made off.
 
I forgot about your training style. You can do it! I was thinking about the average guy workout routine,that I see daily here on AM,and not making Big body gainz. Lol!
 
BEAST73 said:
I forgot about your training style. You can do it! I was thinking about the average guy workout routine that I see daily here on AM and not making Big body gainz. Lol!
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I'll take the week off while fasting. Training and 0 calories is self defeating. I can't promise that I pull it off -but will give my best. Brothers here on AM have done it before -and all agree that the results are worth it.
I figured that I'm already good in holding weight -but suck in cutting the fat off. This could be the way for me. The log will be a good read, I guess -failing or not. :)
 
hairygrandpa said:
I'll take the week off while fasting. Training and 0 calories is self defeating. I can't promise that I pull it off -but will give my best. Brothers here on AM have done it before -and all agree that the results are worth it.
I figured that I'm already good in holding weight -but suck in cutting the fat off. This could be the way for me. The log will be a good read, I guess -failing or not. :)
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I literally can't wait until you get to day 5. Fasting is truly a gift you give to yourself and your loved ones. You'll see...
 
hairygrandpa said:
Sinclair was the one betting heavily on telomerase lengthening in the past, with his astragalus derivatives . Now it seems, he pursues other ways.
I'm somewhat cautious, the products you mentioned, are high priced, as were Sinclairs products in the past. Smells like expensive quackery to me, unless they also mention compounds a regular guy could purchase (like epithalon or L-carnosine) who is not a millionaire.
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Resveratrol is one he spoke of quite often which is pretty cheap. He was saying you need the ncm or whatever with it as well. But it sounds like the body has it anyhow and Resveratrol helps power that molecule within the body.
 
Spurfy said:
I literally can't wait until you get to day 5. Fasting is truly a gift you give to yourself and your loved ones. You'll see...
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Personally I think after it becomes a lifestyle (doing fasting on a fairly regular basis and even intermittent fasting) you see results after each fast whether it's 3 day a little more or less. I notice after a fast I look younger. Skin looks healthy and lines and wrinkles disappear. It lasts too as long you're not throwing a ton of toxins back in. Eating clean after is really important I think in helping to steward the benefits obtained from fasting.
 
Godstrength said:
Personally I think after it becomes a lifestyle (doing fasting on a fairly regular basis and even intermittent fasting) you see results after each fast whether it's 3 day a little more or less. I notice after a fast I look younger. Skin looks healthy and lines and wrinkles disappear. It lasts too as long you're not throwing a ton of toxins back in. Eating clean after is really important I think in helping to steward the benefits obtained from fasting.
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I completely agree and this has been my experience as well.

After a fast, I can pass for 28-29 and I'm almost 43. I pick up girls from the local college in bars who think I'm a grad student. Then, summer/fall come and the bad habits start and I age back to looking about 35. Then I fast again, and for the entire spring I eat and live clean.

I love the feeling of lightness after a fast. It's not just the weight loss, but your whole body just *feels* younger, quicker, and lighter. You vision clears up. Scars fade. Sleep improves. Memory improves.

I *DO NOT* enjoy fasting while I'm doing it, but the results are just impossible to get any other way. It's a million times better than running HGH, which I did for more than a year once.
 
Spurfy said:
I completely agree and this has been my experience as well.

After a fast, I can pass for 28-29 and I'm almost 43. I pick up girls from the local college in bars who think I'm a grad student. Then, summer/fall come and the bad habits start and I age back to looking about 35. Then I fast again, and for the entire spring I eat and live clean.

I love the feeling of lightness after a fast. It's not just the weight loss, but your whole body just *feels* younger, quicker, and lighter. You vision clears up. Scars fade. Sleep improves. Memory improves.

I *DO NOT* enjoy fasting while I'm doing it, but the results are just impossible to get any other way. It's a million times better than running HGH, which I did for more than a year once.
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After the fast I may look like a very hairy teenager. LOL
 
Spurfy said:
After a fast, I can pass for 28-29 and I'm almost 43. I pick up girls from the local college in bars who think I'm a grad student.
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.......and that’s me sold lol. Too many smart dudes seem to have this as part of their lifestyle to not be valid. Greenfield says he does a daily intermittent fast of 12 hrs approx (which would be really quite easy and I do that unintentionally some days anyway), then a 24 fast once a month (think it was once) and then a 7 day fast a couple of times a year.....

I’ll be watching yours with interest HG
 
Hyde said:
Sometimes it’s just good for a person to realize what they’re actually capable of too...
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I once chugged a half pint of baccardi 151 rum!!!


seriously, I have been reading these posts and find fasting very interesting. its not something I would be wanting to do, but sounds like there are benefits to it....GOOD LUCK, HGP!!!
 
Gym

Last gym day before the fast.

Pull ups /SS/ Dips
P 13
D 30
P 12
D 26
P 10
D 21

Landmine row (unsupported, free standing)
6 Plates x8+1

BB Bradford press
55lbs x61

V-handle triceps press down
110lbs x20/16/14

Incline seated DB hammer curls
2x45lbs x11/8/8
2x40lbs x12/9/10

Linear leg press
12 plates x18/15/12
14 plates x8

Preacher curl machine, one armed
65lbs x12/9/8

Seated triceps press 270lbs (full stack)
13/15/9

Cardio? Fugg cardio!
 
jtmass said:
Did you at least stare at the treadmill?
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No, LOL! Had my eyes constantly on a girls butt. Saw her once on local TV. Here they are called "Models" , just another word for expensive prostitutes.
My fixation was also the reason for my ego lifting on the landmines, she was right in front of me doing this: "wide stance kettle bell squats -look at my crotch" exercise.
 
Have to share something.

Wanna lose 4lbs of fat in one night? I did.
Went to a local rave party, popped for the first time some X and did not stop jumping for 6 hours. Six hours -and about 2 gallons of water later, now I'm lean.

:)

Nah, not lean -but I bet I'm already in ketosis. Wife stayed home. There were some chicks feeling me up on arms and chest -but I was too high to do something stupid (awesome).
X is awesome, best experience for me so far and a cutting "supplement" like no other! The "coming down" today was a bit harsh.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Have to share something.

Wanna lose 4lbs of fat in one night? I did.
Went to a local rave party, popped for the first time some X and did not stop jumping for 6 hours. Six hours -and about 2 gallons of water later, now I'm lean.

:)

Nah, not lean -but I bet I'm already in ketosis. Wife stayed home. There were some chicks feeling me up on arms and chest -but I was too high to do something stupid (awesome).
X is awesome, best experience for me so far and a cutting "supplement" like no other! The "coming down" today was a bit harsh.
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Yes it is. I went from 185 my senior year of highschool to 119 3 yrs later on only X and Budweiser
 
hairygrandpa said:
Have to share something.

Wanna lose 4lbs of fat in one night? I did.
Went to a local rave party, popped for the first time some X and did not stop jumping for 6 hours. Six hours -and about 2 gallons of water later, now I'm lean.

:)

Nah, not lean -but I bet I'm already in ketosis. Wife stayed home. There were some chicks feeling me up on arms and chest -but I was too high to do something stupid (awesome).
X is awesome, best experience for me so far and a cutting "supplement" like no other! The "coming down" today was a bit harsh.
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Pmsl. You being serious??

If you are then unfortunately you’ll never have quite as good a night on it again (it’s always good but you never quite reach the amazing feeling of your first night). The tingling and amazing feeling of stretching is incredible but yeah sex is pretty much impossible until you start coming down, the perfect scenario is the girl still being high though - amazing for them and you. Christ I miss e sometimes lol
 
Whisky said:
Pmsl. You being serious??

If you are then unfortunately you’ll never have quite as good a night on it again (it’s always good but you never quite reach the amazing feeling of your first night). The tingling and amazing feeling of stretching is incredible but yeah sex is pretty much impossible until you start coming down, the perfect scenario is the girl still being high though - amazing for them and you. Christ I miss e sometimes lol
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Oh...damn! Like with almost everything, I guess. First time is awesome, later, meh. Besides alcohol. First time I was dying, later it was good. :)
X felt a bit like high dosed phenibut at first, later it was something else, most notably: zero aggression and the urge to dance.
 
Whisky said:
Pmsl. You being serious??

If you are then unfortunately you’ll never have quite as good a night on it again (it’s always good but you never quite reach the amazing feeling of your first night). The tingling and amazing feeling of stretching is incredible but yeah sex is pretty much impossible until you start coming down, the perfect scenario is the girl still being high though - amazing for them and you. Christ I miss e sometimes lol
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It worked for me the first time -- magic, bliss, joy. Then used probably 15 times after that, and all I'd feel is anxious, speedy, overheated and slow-minded. This was with GCMS-verified MDMA from Holland.

Now I wouldn't use it if you paid me.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Oh...damn! Like with almost everything, I guess. First time is awesome, later, meh. Besides alcohol. First time I was dying, later it was good. :)
X felt a bit like high dosed phenibut at first, later it was something else, most notably: zero aggression and the urge to dance.
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It'll work for a little while as long as you only use occasionally. It worked for me 1-2x per month for about a year. That was back in the day tho... Quality does seem to be a factor as well as the feeling seems to vary from batch to batch.

Electro grandpa and his hairy body booty dance party

I would have LOVED to see you rollin haha we would have of had a good time for sure lol
 
Godstrength said:
It'll work for a little while as long as you only use occasionally. It worked for me 1-2x per month for about a year. That was back in the day tho... Quality does seem to be a factor as well as the feeling seems to vary from batch to batch.

Electro grandpa and his hairy body booty dance party

I would have LOVED to see you rollin haha we would have of had a good time for sure lol
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Yeah quality is a factor for sure. I was lucky (If you can call it that) that a friend of ours was a relatively big dealer so we’d be on the same he was on (and that wasn’t always the same as what he sold to others)......

The loved up feeling used to be pretty special, I was in a good group of people and we spent fcuking hours telling each other how much we loved them or just kissing and cuddling. I loved being high (even if I never quite repeated that first magical night) but found the come downs got worse as time went on. Started losing a couple of days just getting over a night out
 
Lol I eat Molly more than I should as well as lsd. Wake up dryer than any grandma's vagina after a night on either of those. Keep it up big guy!
 
In college a guy in his 30s in my class told me you will NEVER enjoy sex as much as when on ecstasy...he seemed so disappointed and distant, like Captain Ahab yearning just to glimpse Moby Dick one last time...

So I never tried ecstasy
 
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