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Gaining muscles while losing fat. HGP tries the impossible, watch me fail!

Godstrength said:
Deca and Trest both do it to me also... I personally found what works best for me is some test with dhts. Im running a test and Primo cycle right now and loving it.

I'm personally done with 19nor s.
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my trt dose of test, td trest, androsterone, virtus gets me real good. I feel 20 years younger!!!
 
hairygrandpa said:
The TD trest is way different from oral -or IM. Don't ask me why.
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I've never used it other than td so I can't compare, but td trest along with androsterone and virtus is my all time favorite cycle!!!
 
I probably won’t either. LMG just seemed to bloat me and aggravate gyno ASAP. Not really in a hurry to try nandrolone
 
Gym
Despite being bloated, strength is good.

BW pull ups /ss/ BW dips
pull 16
dip 30
pause 30 sec
pull 15
dip 26
pause 30sec
pull 13
dip 22

Smith squat
225 x10/10

Linear leg press single leg
sled+90lbs = 175lbs / first time trying, LOVE IT!
15/10/10

Push ups elevated + handles, nose touches floor
slow x22
quick x 30
slow x18
quick x24
slow x16

cable flies
2x50lbs x17/18/13/13

Seated row narrow grip
235 x15/16

floor db flies, slow, max stretch, bottom partials
2x25lbs x15/16/13

smith incline press bottom partials
225 x14 (weird feeling in right shoulder)
180lbs x20/16
 
Shirt is getting almost too small with the bloat...

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Nah it can be even tighter as long as you stay with the no belly look. If you get a power gut, THEN tight shirts go bye bye

Pretty cool your bodyweight is up so much but still hitting pull-ups easily
 
Hyde said:
Nah it can be even tighter as long as you stay with the no belly look. If you get a power gut, THEN tight shirts go bye bye

Pretty cool your bodyweight is up so much but still hitting pull-ups easily
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The damn gut is weird. I'm not sucking in -but I can't let go of the tension or it "falls out". Is that an "old man problem" -or does everybody has that dilemma?
 
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hairygrandpa said:
Exactly! Test + either: var, winni or mast (proviron). Never did primo. Its so fugging expensive -and I'm not sure if I can get quality gear here.
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If you can get your hands on it give it a go... I'm in week 5 now. Slowly seems to be getting better each week.
 
hairygrandpa said:
The damn gut is weird. I'm not sucking in -but I can't let go of the tension or it "falls out". Is that an "old man problem" -or does everybody has that dilemma?
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Oft wondered he same thing, but even i was a young runner sporting a six pack mine always did a bit of a pot belly if I don't tighten my core.
 
I have the same gut problem ....
 
hairygrandpa said:
The damn gut is weird. I'm not sucking in -but I can't let go of the tension or it "falls out". Is that an "old man problem" -or does everybody has that dilemma?
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PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
Oft wondered he same thing, but even i was a young runner sporting a six pack mine always did a bit of a pot belly if I don't tighten my core.
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Rocket3015 said:
I have the same gut problem ....
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Lower Cross Syndrome = Tight hip flexors, underactive and stretched hamstrings, and a forward leaning pelvis are the cause of this in most cases. IE poor posture leading to poor muscle control. I am in the same boat.

Think of it like this if you have a have a full shot in the middle of a waiter tray and all the sudden the tray tips forward that shot is going to spill over. Our hips are our base, since we are out of alignment gravity wants to spill our guts, but we have muscle so we can choose to hold the belly in.

Try this, stand in your normal position, now imagine you had two strings on the top of your hip bones. Now imagine you pull on those strings and raise the front of your hip bones up about an inch. Watch how your lower abdomen suddenly goes back in a lot and takes far less effort to hold in from there. It is because you are no longer fighting gravity pulling your belly forward and down, and now a lot of that internal mass is resting on the hips and pelvic floor instead of trying to spill out of it.
 
MrKleen73 is absolutely right! Pushing the hips forward by pressing the butt cheeks together solves the problem.

Have to figure out what I prefer to appear "gutless":

1) keeping tension on my abs, like always
2) press butt cheeks together, looking like a cautious hetero in a gay bar

:)

I guess I have to do those annoying hip exercises, like thrusts and whatnot.
 
That is what I gonna do (because other vids use way more exercises, this one only 4):

[video=youtube;-tV2xTBeH10]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tV2xTBeH10[/video]
 
What are you running besides npp now?. I don't know I've never felt it gives much bloat, certainly not as clean as tren but I always felt it was a clean compound. High dose and too much calories or low dose and too much calories so the partitioning doesn't work at its best?
 
Chados said:
What are you running besides npp now?. I don't know I've never felt it gives much bloat, certainly not as clean as tren but I always felt it was a clean compound. High dose and too much calories or low dose and too much calories so the partitioning doesn't work at its best?
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Currently at:
400mg/w test
250mg/w NPP
75mg/d proviron

The DHT from proviron definitely curbs prolactin sides. Last time at those dosages I lactated. Now, without caber -but using proviron, everything is fine.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Currently at:
400mg/w test
250mg/w NPP
75mg/d proviron

The DHT from proviron definitely curbs prolactin sides. Last time at those dosages I lactated. Now, without caber -but using proviron, everything is fine.
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That's definitely not a high dosage, test isn't really that high either even if it wouldn't be crazy to assume you could bloat on it.

My only guess is that the npp is a bit low and since your gaining weight it'd be fair to assume you're on a surplus and the npp isn't enough for the nutrient partioning.

What you could try if it doesn't work out for you is to go 300 test 400 npp. But we all know you're not a massive fan of nandrolones and prolactin :D
 
Chados said:
That's definitely not a high dosage, test isn't really that high either even if it wouldn't be crazy to assume you could bloat on it.

My only guess is that the npp is a bit low and since your gaining weight it'd be fair to assume you're on a surplus and the npp isn't enough for the nutrient partioning.

What you could try if it doesn't work out for you is to go 300 test 400 npp. But we all know you're not a massive fan of nandrolones and prolactin :D
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Nah, no surplus. 19-nor just bloat me. I mean, joints feel great, strength is there -but also bloat. Will power through it. Afterwards, when bloat is gone, then my metamorphosis will be complete:

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I can't even spell metamorphosis
 
hairygrandpa said:
Nah, no surplus. 19-nor just bloat me. I mean, joints feel great, strength is there -but also bloat. Will power through it. Afterwards, when bloat is gone, then my metamorphosis will be complete:

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It's beautiful how you said that and I bet you'll turn in to a somewhat unusual butterfly, unique but still a butterfly. Jokes aside, as long as you see difference in definition regardless the bloat, its all good.
 
Rocket3015 said:
Copy and Paste !!
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We know you're humble rocket and want to give all the credit to HGP because it's his log, but don't be afraid to pat yourself on the shoulder once in a while.. That was no copy and paste and everyone can see that by looking at the text.
 
Chados said:
We know you're humble rocket and want to give all the credit to HGP because it's his log, but don't be afraid to pat yourself on the shoulder once in a while.. That was no copy and paste and everyone can see that by looking at the text.
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NOPE! I totally believe him... ;)

Keep on keeping on HGP, you will look beast mode in the end!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Gym
Despite being bloated, strength is good.

BW pull ups /ss/ BW dips
pull 16
dip 30
pause 30 sec
pull 15
dip 26
pause 30sec
pull 13
dip 22

Smith squat
225 x10/10

Linear leg press single leg
sled+90lbs = 175lbs / first time trying, LOVE IT!
15/10/10

Push ups elevated + handles, nose touches floor
slow x22
quick x 30
slow x18
quick x24
slow x16

cable flies
2x50lbs x17/18/13/13

Seated row narrow grip
235 x15/16

floor db flies, slow, max stretch, bottom partials
2x25lbs x15/16/13

smith incline press bottom partials
225 x14 (weird feeling in right shoulder)
180lbs x20/16
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Watch that shoulder! Don't want to take 2 steps back.
Mine was kind of acting like it was impenged the other day. Skipped sholders the next workout and did some band work. Now I'm good to go. must of had some scar tissue getting in the way.
 
Studhorse said:
Watch that shoulder! Don't want to take 2 steps back.
Mine was kind of acting like it was impenged the other day. Skipped sholders the next workout and did some band work. Now I'm good to go. must of had some scar tissue getting in the way.
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We both have to be cautious! Thank's for remembering me. When on a cycle, even though its a light one, the extra strength let me forget about past injuries.
 
hairygrandpa said:
We both have to be cautious! Thank's for remembering me. When on a cycle, even though its a light one, the extra strength let me forget about past injuries.
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So what is the goal of the bottom range partial on incline, that is a very disadvantageous position to be in, and puts a lot of stress on the joint.
 
MrKleen73 said:
So what is the goal of the bottom range partial on incline, that is a very disadvantageous position to be in, and puts a lot of stress on the joint.
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It really pumps my chest, as I go never to zero (stretch). Gives me best mind-muscle connection.
 
Gym
Did for 20 minutes "lower crossed syndrome" exercises, I really noted my hip flexors.

After that a bit of everything, enough to call it a day.
 
For the last few month I had a lot of RL trouble. Had somehow to cover about $6k monthly of fixed expenses, without the necessary income to pay for it.
Cortisol was surely out of whack because of it. Fired several employees, made hard cuts on expenses, like cable TV, supplements, "luxury items" and worked overtime. The same time a lot of essential stuff broke down, like 3 air conditioners (over 100F here), 2 refrigerators and the pool pump. It was like a curse.
I started solving the problems one at a time and managed to get rid of the "red numbers" without taking a loan. Now I'm good for new trouble, LOL.

Just sharing to make known that I'm a simple, suffering human behind a keyboard, like everyone else.
 
BEAST73 said:
hairygrandpa, do you perform any kind of cardio? Such as jogging,running,stair master, and elliptical.
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You got me good. LOL.
Nah, just a few minutes of heavy bag 2-3 times a week.
Can't do anything outside, too hot (100F+). Would have to prolong my gym session and do some bicycle or whatnot. I have no excuse not to do it, despite looking hardly for one, LMAO!
 
hairygrandpa said:
You got me good. LOL.
Nah, just a few minutes of heavy bag 2-3 times a week.
Can't do anything outside, too hot (100F+). Would have to prolong my gym session and do some bicycle or whatnot. I have no excuse not to do it, despite looking hardly for one, LMAO!
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You can do it Brother.. 15mins that’s all it takes too Create a great habit.
 
BEAST73 said:
Once you do that,Your Body going to make big Changes.. Shredded!
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Should I extend the boxing time? I mean, that is what I like. Walking, bicycle and stairmaster are boring as hell, all "hamster in a wheel" exercises are.
 
All increased activity will burn more cals, even just standing more.

You should consider some LISS too if you want to take the best care of your heart with the anabolics.

I don’t do remotely enough, but I do try to get 10-15 min walks in at work many days.
 
Hyde said:
All increased activity will burn more cals, even just standing more.

You should consider some LISS too if you want to take the best care of your heart with the anabolics.

I don’t do remotely enough, but I do try to get 10-15 min walks in at work many days.
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hairygrandpa said:
For the last few month I had a lot of RL trouble. Had somehow to cover about $6k monthly of fixed expenses, without the necessary income to pay for it.
Cortisol was surely out of whack because of it. Fired several employees, made hard cuts on expenses, like cable TV, supplements, "luxury items" and worked overtime. The same time a lot of essential stuff broke down, like 3 air conditioners (over 100F here), 2 refrigerators and the pool pump. It was like a curse.
I started solving the problems one at a time and managed to get rid of the "red numbers" without taking a loan. Now I'm good for new trouble, LOL.

Just sharing to make known that I'm a simple, suffering human behind a keyboard, like everyone else.
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Seems like when it rains it pours once things start to break down!
 
I'm going to start doing cardio someday as well. My problem now is that my wife is done with her workout including cardio in 1.5 hrs. it takes me 1.5+ hours to get through my weight training. She is already bitching because I have to stretch this old body out before I leave.

Just haven't been able to give up any lifts for cardio time. All I have is 3 days a week. With full body it's tough. that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
 
HGP just do what I do............. Run From The Bill Collectors !! Great Cardio, Save's Money !!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Should I extend the boxing time? I mean, that is what I like. Walking, bicycle and stairmaster are boring as hell, all "hamster in a wheel" exercises are.
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Sure, or maybe even better, do some weighted carries with fat loss in mind. You burn extra calories, and get stronger / provide a growth stimulus.

Hyde said:
All increased activity will burn more cals, even just standing more.

You should consider some LISS too if you want to take the best care of your heart with the anabolics.

I don’t do remotely enough, but I do try to get 10-15 min walks in at work many days.
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Agreed some LISS would benefit the heart. I don't always like doing it but got my 45 in this morning. Will try to do 2 cardio or HIT sessions a week
Studhorse said:
I'm going to start doing cardio someday as well. My problem now is that my wife is done with her workout including cardio in 1.5 hrs. it takes me 1.5+ hours to get through my weight training. She is already bitching because I have to stretch this old body out before I leave.

Just haven't been able to give up any lifts for cardio time. All I have is 3 days a week. With full body it's tough. that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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You could always lower volume and increase intensity to get out of there faster. Hell just shortening your rest periods would go a long way to both hear health and fat loss.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Sure, or maybe even better, do some weighted carries with fat loss in mind. You burn extra calories, and get stronger / provide a growth stimulus.


Agreed some LISS would benefit the heart. I don't always like doing it but got my 45 in this morning. Will try to do 2 cardio or HIT sessions a week


You could always lower volume and increase intensity to get out of there faster. Hell just shortening your rest periods would go a long way to both hear health and fat loss.
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Been doing it. 30-60 second rest between set! does this count as cardio? Yeah I'm doing cardio....
 
hairygrandpa said:
For the last few month I had a lot of RL trouble. Had somehow to cover about $6k monthly of fixed expenses, without the necessary income to pay for it.
Cortisol was surely out of whack because of it. Fired several employees, made hard cuts on expenses, like cable TV, supplements, "luxury items" and worked overtime. The same time a lot of essential stuff broke down, like 3 air conditioners (over 100F here), 2 refrigerators and the pool pump. It was like a curse.
I started solving the problems one at a time and managed to get rid of the "red numbers" without taking a loan. Now I'm good for new trouble, LOL.

Just sharing to make known that I'm a simple, suffering human behind a keyboard, like everyone else.
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it's tough...but that is the way to do it. taking on new debt to pay old debt isn't getting you anywhere....just a temporary setback, you will be living the high life again in no time!!!
 
Studhorse said:
Been doing it. 30-60 second rest between set! does this count as cardio? Yeah I'm doing cardio....
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Oh yeah you are doing full body workouts right now huh? You should try an HST run, you could power through that in less than an hour I bet. With 2 work sets per exercise, 1 exercise per body part. Not a ton of volume there. Just quick hard work.
 
hairygrandpa said:
For the last few month I had a lot of RL trouble. Had somehow to cover about $6k monthly of fixed expenses, without the necessary income to pay for it.
Cortisol was surely out of whack because of it. Fired several employees, made hard cuts on expenses, like cable TV, supplements, "luxury items" and worked overtime. The same time a lot of essential stuff broke down, like 3 air conditioners (over 100F here), 2 refrigerators and the pool pump. It was like a curse.
I started solving the problems one at a time and managed to get rid of the "red numbers" without taking a loan. Now I'm good for new trouble, LOL.

Just sharing to make known that I'm a simple, suffering human behind a keyboard, like everyone else.
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This resonates with me right now.
 
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