bigsmall
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Let us know how it goes! Drive the water into you today and you should feel even 'better' in hours / one day.
VECTOR pre release leaks and info
- Thread starter brundel
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Let us know how it goes! Drive the water into you today and you should feel even 'better' in hours / one day.
bigsmall
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Let us know how it goes! Drive the water into you today and you should feel even 'better' in hours / one day.
brundel
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I def seem to sleep better with Vector. Not entirely sure why.
It may be something else causing the problem, pre workout with stims, stress and anxiety etc etc etc.
With regards to the twitching this sounds like your lacking electrolytes.
Up water intake to as close to 1 gallon per day.
You can also add Amino infusion to your water. Its got 9g of aminos and electrolytes and its got a great kiwi strawberry flavor.
Will help you drink the water as it tastes great plus itll give you the electrolytes you need.
https://blacklionresearch.com/collections/our-products/products/vector
It may be something else causing the problem, pre workout with stims, stress and anxiety etc etc etc.
With regards to the twitching this sounds like your lacking electrolytes.
Up water intake to as close to 1 gallon per day.
You can also add Amino infusion to your water. Its got 9g of aminos and electrolytes and its got a great kiwi strawberry flavor.
Will help you drink the water as it tastes great plus itll give you the electrolytes you need.
https://blacklionresearch.com/collections/our-products/products/vector
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Corin7hian
New member
Thanks for the info guys. I guess I really wasn't paying that much attention to the water but I'm going to give it a shot.
As for the sleep I'm gonna try dosing earlier so it doesn't interfere with my sleep. Dosing it too close definitely ruins quality of sleep for me and it's very noticeable.
As for the sleep I'm gonna try dosing earlier so it doesn't interfere with my sleep. Dosing it too close definitely ruins quality of sleep for me and it's very noticeable.
Corin7hian
New member
Thanks for the info guys. I guess I really wasn't paying that much attention to the water but I'm going to give it a shot.
As for the sleep I'm gonna try dosing earlier so it doesn't interfere with my sleep. Dosing it too close definitely ruins quality of sleep for me and it's very noticeable.
As for the sleep I'm gonna try dosing earlier so it doesn't interfere with my sleep. Dosing it too close definitely ruins quality of sleep for me and it's very noticeable.
ttortman78
Member
I also had my sleep affected by vector. It was usually just not as deep as normal. The dreams were more vivid though but I never hit that after stage of just "nothingness".
That being said vector is still the best natty anabolic I have ever used. Nothing natural compares to the strength gains I get from vector. I have been off for 2 months but I'm about to hop back on and I don't care if the sleep I get is slightly diminished because this stuff rocks.
That being said vector is still the best natty anabolic I have ever used. Nothing natural compares to the strength gains I get from vector. I have been off for 2 months but I'm about to hop back on and I don't care if the sleep I get is slightly diminished because this stuff rocks.
anthon88
Active member
I sent you a PM with a few questions. If you get the time to respond I’d really appreciate it.
anthon88
Active member
I sent you a PM with a few questions. If you get the time to respond I’d really appreciate it.
Studhorse
Legend
I had some sleep issues if I took it within 4 hours to bed. as far as hydration issues I cant answer that. I drink a lot of water and my Amino infusion infusion twice a day at work with 24oz of water per dose. Taste is great and easy to sip on. I also chug 44oz. twice a day. If I sip on reg water I don't drink enough.
Looking forward to starting Vector & FD2 again soon. saving up for a 12 weeks run.
Studhorse
Legend
I had some sleep issues if I took it within 4 hours to bed. as far as hydration issues I cant answer that. I drink a lot of water and my Amino infusion infusion twice a day at work with 24oz of water per dose. Taste is great and easy to sip on. I also chug 44oz. twice a day. If I sip on reg water I don't drink enough.
Looking forward to starting Vector & FD2 again soon. saving up for a 12 weeks run.
Z28Luver7777
Well-known member
Quick question:
Just started a 2 month long cycle of Vector/Follidrone around three weeks ago. I’ve been noticing some stomach discomfort since starting. Like I have heartburn/indigestion along with a constant bloating feeling. Has anyone else experienced this?
I’ve taken Follidrone in the passed without any complications but the addition of Vector seems to be bothering me. What’s everyone’s thoughts?
Just started a 2 month long cycle of Vector/Follidrone around three weeks ago. I’ve been noticing some stomach discomfort since starting. Like I have heartburn/indigestion along with a constant bloating feeling. Has anyone else experienced this?
I’ve taken Follidrone in the passed without any complications but the addition of Vector seems to be bothering me. What’s everyone’s thoughts?
soxbsbll05
Active member
I’m about to finish a 3 month run and I definitely had huge stomach issues for the first month but it seemed to go away. Constant trips to the bathroom, bloating, etc.
Seems to be kind of coming for Vector unfortunately...
Seems to be kind of coming for Vector unfortunately...
Z28Luver7777
Well-known member
I’ve done it with and without food. Doubt it’s Follidrone as I’ve used that in the past. But with Vector, I’ve noticed the stomach issues. Glad to hear that it has gone away for some. Just was getting concerned as I didn’t want an ulcer or something haha
soxbsbll05
Active member
I’d recommend drinking ALOT of water and taking a probiotic. That seemed to help alleviate some of the stomach issues.
brundel
Board Sponsor
The pre is coming along well. Shouldnt be too long. We are testing stim packages now.
This will NOT be a super strong stimulant. Just enough to wake you up if your a bit tired or if you train early morning or after work etc.
So far its got a really smooth euphoric stimulation. No jitters or overstimulation.
You guys will be very happy.
bigsmall
Banned
So no non stim version now?
brundel
Board Sponsor
I agree a pre workout product should help with pump but most formulators don't fully understand how a pump works. They think if you consume 350mg caffeine and assorted other stims then you'll get a great pump. But no.
Adding citrulline and the like to these huge stim packages is useless. May as well not include the vasodilators.
Ours will have some Stims but much less than you commonly see.
But you'll get a great pump still.
The Solution
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Join along.
I will be logging Vector to see the impact the product has when added into a controlled environment.
If anyone has another 1-2 bottles to spare I would be glad to trade for them
Join along.
I will be logging Vector to see the impact the product has when added into a controlled environment.
If anyone has another 1-2 bottles to spare I would be glad to trade for them
bigjoe90
New member
Hi everybody! After all the feeds received by Vector I'm really interested in giving it a try, stacking it with FD2.0 (which I already used and liked in the past).
I would like to ask (in particular to brundel ) if in your experience:
- is the dosage somehow connected to the bodyweight? For example, assuming that the 6 caps dosage is thinked for an avarage 170-190 lbs natural trained male, would a lower dose (like 4-5 caps) be sufficient for a, lets say, 140-150 lbs male and so a higher dose (7-8 caps?) be good for a 200+ lbs man?
- do you think that 2 caps is the real minimum single serving you want to take for Vector? I mean, assuming to take it around meals (considering an Off day), It Will be better to take 2 caps before the 3 largest meal of the day (for example breakfast, lunch and dinner) or it is possibile to furtherly divide the dosage, taking just one cap before every single meal of the day (considering also 2-3 snacks between meals), so taking lowest but more frequent doses? Is the 2 caps standard serving thinked like a minimum quantity to reach a kind of "minimum activity" of the actives like Epi, UA, CA, etc?
I would like to ask (in particular to brundel ) if in your experience:
- is the dosage somehow connected to the bodyweight? For example, assuming that the 6 caps dosage is thinked for an avarage 170-190 lbs natural trained male, would a lower dose (like 4-5 caps) be sufficient for a, lets say, 140-150 lbs male and so a higher dose (7-8 caps?) be good for a 200+ lbs man?
- do you think that 2 caps is the real minimum single serving you want to take for Vector? I mean, assuming to take it around meals (considering an Off day), It Will be better to take 2 caps before the 3 largest meal of the day (for example breakfast, lunch and dinner) or it is possibile to furtherly divide the dosage, taking just one cap before every single meal of the day (considering also 2-3 snacks between meals), so taking lowest but more frequent doses? Is the 2 caps standard serving thinked like a minimum quantity to reach a kind of "minimum activity" of the actives like Epi, UA, CA, etc?
gnbbc
Member
brundel
Board Sponsor
Hey bud
Vector dosing is based off of over a year or trials and testing at different doses including testing for percentages of active compounds.
Currently each extract is a 100:1 1000mg each.
You want to take all 6 caps. Many of the chemicals that are doing the work here are present in the right quantities at 6 caps.
If you reduce this you then reduce the efficacy of multiple ingredients and you will likely be disappointed.
You can do 2x3 caps or 3 x 2 caps. Its best to split the doses up though.
ValiantThor08
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If anyone wants to follow, I am logging Vector for at least 8 weeks, not changing training or eating. In the supp log section.
justhere4comm
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Jpv20
New member
Hi Brundel, after a time off on the stack vector and FD2.0, I’m back on it since was great, specially for bulking.
I’ve now bought the supplements through different source, and the fact is that packaging seems to be different.. example, just bought from predator nutrition and the Vector package comes with a different top cap, the FD2.0 doesn’t bring the regular shining sticker that used to have.. is this normal? Just wanna make sure I’m buying the right thing
I’ve now bought the supplements through different source, and the fact is that packaging seems to be different.. example, just bought from predator nutrition and the Vector package comes with a different top cap, the FD2.0 doesn’t bring the regular shining sticker that used to have.. is this normal? Just wanna make sure I’m buying the right thing
brundel
Board Sponsor
Vector tops used to be ribbed but this was just because the smooth ones were not available at production time.
From now on youll only see smooth.
The shiny stickers were there because the inner seals were weaker than we had expected so this was to prevent people from assuming tampering.
There are no more stickers. The seal is internal pressure seal.
Also future bottles....next few months or so will all have heat shrink outer and pressure inner seals.
realityy
New member
oh right, of course! didn't read it properly lol.
on another note, everytime I take this I get a "fishy" odor from my sweat. This is the 2nd time (2nd run) this happens... anyone know what this is? anyone else get it?
brundel
Board Sponsor
The scent could be trimethylamine in your sweat of a host of other things.
Are you in ketosis?
bswanny
Member
I've taken it for 3 months and have not noticed a smell
pfresh
Well-known member
What benefits have you noticed from a 3 month run?
bswanny
Member
I didn't see any. I do like other BLR products but did not benefit from Vector
pfresh
Well-known member
That's too bad. I had high hopes for this product. Based on what I've heard lately I think I may regret buying it. I may have to log it to see for myself. It's been a few years since I ran a log so now may be the time.
bswanny
Member
Everyone responds differently. I'm pretty spot on with my regime so I have very little variables when trying something new. I'd definitely say give it a shot though
pfresh
Well-known member
I do track every workout and weigh all my food so there wouldn't be many variables. Idk that bigsmalls guy says you need to crank your calories on it . I wouldn't mind cranking the calories up and seeing if I got fat af. I have a skulpt body fat tracker so if I did take his advice and crank the cals I guess I would be able to see if it made me into beefcake from South Park.
pfresh
Well-known member
If someone was to run a 3 month bulk and they were going to take vector, how would you suggest they set up their calories to find the sweet spot for lean muscle gain?
The Solution
Legend
I am about 6 weeks in with minimal results as well. I am up a few pounds, a bit stronger, recovery is better, sleep is a touch deeper. But nothing that really sticks out
Same here. The only thing I have changed is adding in vector. I am not changing any nutrition or training during my run to see what the product does in a "Controlled" environment. If you truly want to give feedback on a product you want to minimize changing varaibles and factors.
If you do that, then you are playing a guessing game on how much was training related, how much was nutrition related, how much was vector when you try and factor in bumping calories all the time, or modifying volume of your training, amount of cardio etc.
I was in a surplus before starting my log and am slowly gaining weight around 1-1.5lbs a month ATM
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Same here. The only thing I have changed is adding in vector. I am not changing any nutrition or training during my run to see what the product does in a "Controlled" environment. If you truly want to give feedback on a product you want to minimize changing varaibles and factors.
If you do that, then you are playing a guessing game on how much was training related, how much was nutrition related, how much was vector when you try and factor in bumping calories all the time, or modifying volume of your training, amount of cardio etc.
I was in a surplus before starting my log and am slowly gaining weight around 1-1.5lbs a month ATM
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bigsmall
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Most folks find that they need to eat more just to maintain on Vector. I needed to add a small meal just to maintain under a recomp. I would aim to eat and drink enough to gain one half to one pound per week. If you like what you see...aim for one pound. Vector shines in a bulk and imo provides the most lean mass of any other natural supplement. I am a super easy gainer. If you are not you may need to conserve more calories at the gym to help meet your weekly weight goal. Good luck on your run brother..
brundel
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Here is the best way to utilize Vector and Vector stacks. we have guys at the warehouse running only BLR products. One just passed the 20lbs increase with just a small increase in bodyfat. Not bad for natural products. 12 weeks.
We suggest an progressive increase in calories. This is the same as you would do with a steroid cycle. No intelligent person takes steroids and then changes nothing. The same goes for this. If you want to see the best results you will need to increase cals progressively.
You cant build a new wall without adding new bricks and you cant build new muscle without caloric surplus.
Steroids may allow for weight gain without massive surplus but this is water and glycogen retention. Also why you see all these guys who have run 10 PH/AAS/DS cycles and weigh 175lbs. No increase in cals. They think they are growing because the scale shows the water retention etc but no.
Bodybuilding is done at the dinner table.
Paying for a 12 week cycle and not utilizing it doesnt seem wise.
1. Add 100 -150 cals per week. Make sure protein is at 1.5 to 2g per lb of TARGET bodyweight.
1 gal water daily.
Lots of sleep.
2. Progressive weight and rep increases. For this purpose I suggest DC training.
Its perfectly designed for bulking cycles and is wickedly effective if adhered to properly. I gained 75lbs of lean mass running DC bulkers. Steroids yes.
But it works just as well for non steroid cycles and if you do things properly there is no reason you cant gain 20lbs on a bulker. 100% of the guys at the office are clean and running BLR only stacks and pretty much all are growing well. So far one of our guys is up to 242lbs from 119.
I cant link to other forums etc
but Google
=Doggcrapp. There is a decent tnation article with a program outlined.
Another is at simplyshredded.
These are both good.
The tnation program outline works very well. Adhere to it strictly including rest days and stretching.
The rest pause techniques allow you to continually increase reps and weight over the 12 weeks.
Take before and after shots. You wont believe the changes.
brundel
Board Sponsor
Seems pretty good if you changed absolutely nothing but still gained a few lbs and some strength plus improved sleep.
Imagine if you had properly utilized the cycle!!
brundel
Board Sponsor
This too. ESPECIALLY with cycles including follidrone.
The changes in blood glucose really makes a difference for most. Without added cals many will lose weight not gain.
Eat eat eat.
Again....bodybuilding is done at the dinner table.
This is the single most important part and the single most ignored part.
The real kep to bodybuilding? Its not drugs.
Its food. **** tons of food.
bswanny
Member
Brundel when taking Follidrone with Vector do you dose 3 caps at workout or doesn't matter?
bigsmall
Banned
I want a job at the BLR warehouse (running the bbq).
BloodManor
Well-known member
Those are greater gains than someone running a aas cycle. Almost 20lbs of muscle in 12 weeks is impossible natural and barely feasible on a tradiontal aas run (Kickstarter ,rest for 12 weeks,var finisher). People in there first year of training don’t even put on that much mass in a year - a seasoned natural lifter is lucky to gain 2-3lbs a year of muscle.