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Matthersby‘s mission: 50lbs by 2019. Slin,NPP,Dbol and lots more.

Matthersby said:
Ok brotha. I got a question here. I know this isn’t the healthiest idea. But if I can get my HDL up and RBC’s are ok, what’s to stop me from just changing compounds and blasting absent orals of course? Just challenging the protocol. I know I sound like a junkie, but I have a big goal and I’d be fine with cruising for a few months before I start cutting drugs in 2019. Not a long term thing, just a monster blast for the rest the year. Orals of course with time on = time off for liver recovery.
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I think that you probably won’t get the HDL in range, but if you could and all bloods are good you aren’t really risking anything. That being said, time off is important to restore sensitivity. Rotating compounds is fine, but the body adapts to the overall “anabolic level” if you will. You aren’t gonna see the results you’re after if you just stay on.

If you’re on a gram of whatever, and you switch to a gram of a comparably strong compound, you will see some changes and refinement...but you aren’t going to just keep seeing muscle piling on. There’s a limit, and things like myostatin come into play. You will have to keep upping the overall dose, and that will surely compromise your health in time.

Bumping down to TRT for 8 weeks will give a lot more payout. It also gives you a break from bulking where you will just try to maintain. The body does not want to keep growing endlessly, just like it plateaus with weightloss if you cut long enough.
 
bigbeaph said:
Am I the only one that uses a mirror so I dont HAVE to twist up like a pretzel to pin glutes?
Lol - grab a mirror and just do the ol reach around!
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Dude I do left handed left cheek right handed left and right cheek,, sitting down, turned around, blind jab. I do it all yo..
 
Matthersby said:
Dude I do left handed left cheek right handed left and right cheek,, sitting down, turned around, blind jab. I do it all yo..
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So kind of like drunk throwing darts eh?

Bada$$ darts full of test!
 
swimfan65 said:
Once i was pinning myself in right glute and trying to push the plunger down and my whole right side...lat..abs..shoulder..went into a full fledged cramp. I had to let go of the pin and then the cramp wouldnt go away. When it subsided, i tried reaching around to push the plunger down and pull it out and start to cramp again. So im standing in my kitchen..butt naked...pounding water..with a 3ml pin sticking out of my ass..half full of gear..and my girl and her 10 year old son walk through the door. Lol...true story. She knows what i do, but her kid is probably scared for life.
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Lol, sounds compromising.
 
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That’s 14.6 lbs in 25 days.
I will continue adding more calories as I gain unless I see excessive bf gain.
 
No matter where I go on the Vasts Lateralis, I hit a nerve and my leg locks up or twitches annoyingly. Never have issues with Glutes and I tend to blast with short estered gear too. I feel like I have decades of room with glutes. I’ll probably go back to SubQ or delts next cruise though. Glutes are just simple and mindless for me.
 
Matthersby said:
No matter where I go on the Vasts Lateralis, I hit a nerve and my leg locks up or twitches annoyingly. Never have issues with Glutes and I tend to blast with short estered gear too. I feel like I have decades of room with glutes. I’ll probably go back to SubQ or delts next cruise though. Glutes are just simple and mindless for me.
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Ive never pinned anywhere else in 15 years. 1.5 25 gauge
 
tyga tyga said:
Get it.

Why don’t you rotate quads into your pining routine?
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I asked about this recently... Dave Palombo on Rx muscle did a video about quad injection issues and how even if it's fine for awhile they often backfire also too many nerves? And since I have bulged L2/L3 discs and reduced ability to rotate and steady the needle with the off hand for glut shots... Thought about triceps, hips too?
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
I asked about this recently... Dave Palombo on Rx muscle did a video about quad injection issues and how even if it's fine for awhile they often backfire also too many nerves? And since I have bulged L2/L3 discs and reduced ability to rotate and steady the needle with the off hand for glut shots... Thought about triceps, hips too?
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As far as I’m concerned, if the gear stays in you, it’s fair game. Absorption speeds IM vs SubQ aside. So delts, bis, calves, etc all with a 25-27g 3/4, you won’t even notice it. You can pin anything really as long as it’s considered a “safe” area.
Sciatic area of Glutes = not the best pin site.
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
I asked about this recently... Dave Palombo on Rx muscle did a video about quad injection issues and how even if it's fine for awhile they often backfire also too many nerves? And since I have bulged L2/L3 discs and reduced ability to rotate and steady the needle with the off hand for glut shots... Thought about triceps, hips too?
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By hips do you mean VG? Hands down my favorite spot
 
bigbeaph said:
By hips do you mean VG? Hands down my favorite spot
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Cool, yeah ventro gluts on the side. I was doing gluteal medials and delts, which 4 sites only. If I can add VG on either side 6 sounds better. Will 25g and 1" still work there? I worry about scar tissue build up by over using a few sites only... I even bought a percussion massager to help with soreness and other muscle issues. Granted so far my pin frequency is E3D with Test E and stuff like Tren A and NPP...
 
Matthersby said:
As far as I’m concerned, if the gear stays in you, it’s fair game. Absorption speeds IM vs SubQ aside. So delts, bis, calves, etc all with a 25-27g 3/4, you won’t even notice it. You can pin anything really as long as it’s considered a “safe” area.
Sciatic area of Glutes = not the best pin site.
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Ok I guess need to study anatomy charts or see demo IM vidz on those other muscles... Just because I don't want to hit nerves/veins.
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
Ok I guess need to study anatomy charts or see demo IM vidz on those other muscles... Just because I don't want to hit nerves/veins.
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A few years you won’t care at all about nerves or veins. I hit veins every 3rd time. No real nerve problems ever in upper putter quadrant and venturing over to ventroglutes. But you can go as high on the hip that you can do it with pants on. I have very little scar tissue and early 2016-now, 1-3 times a week. Just rotate sites slightly every time.
 
Maybe its been asked but are you running mk677?
Bc if you arent there's another 10lbs easy... Plus hunger increase is legit
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
Cool, yeah ventro gluts on the side. I was doing gluteal medials and delts, which 4 sites only. If I can add VG on either side 6 sounds better. Will 25g and 1" still work there? I worry about scar tissue build up by over using a few sites only... I even bought a percussion massager to help with soreness and other muscle issues. Granted so far my pin frequency is E3D with Test E and stuff like Tren A and NPP...
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That's exactly what I use...9 times out of 10 it goes in like butter and you don't feel a thing from start to finish. PIP seems to be rare and when it appears, well its not a muscle you use a whole lot so its easy to get around.
 
Godstrength said:
Maybe its been asked but are you running mk677?
Bc if you arent there's another 10lbs easy... Plus hunger increase is legit
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It’s coming. Probably gonna add it with slin-only on my cruise. I’m gonna need everything I can on my cruise to maintain some size and not wreck my lipids or get fat. It’s top of my list right now.
 
Matthersby said:
It’s coming. Probably gonna add it with slin-only on my cruise. I’m gonna need everything I can on my cruise to maintain some size and not wreck my lipids or get fat. It’s top of my list right now.
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Honestly you can run it through out... It's one of those supplements you can run 6 months easy. I can't use it above 15 mg per day and really only use about 12.5 every other or every 3 days. If I go above 12 and a half everyday I gain crazy weight
 
Godstrength said:
Honestly you can run it through out... It's one of those supplements you can run 6 months easy. I can't use it above 15 mg per day and really only use about 12.5 every other or every 3 days. If I go above 12 and a half everyday I gain crazy weight
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Honestly it’s a financial thing. I’m sold it’s an awesome product. I go through 1k a month on food/aas/ancillaries currently and I can’t justify much more. As soon as I pick up one more NPP, I’ll most likely get some mK in the next 3 weeks. Mainly because once I drop the NPP/Dbol, I’ll just be using slin 4/7 days a week, and I’ll need something in absence of the nutrient partitioning so I can continue gaining and not get too fat. GH is out and I’m not considering peptides either so mK is a great alternative for gh pulses.
 
Hyde said:
I think that you probably won’t get the HDL in range, but if you could and all bloods are good you aren’t really risking anything. That being said, time off is important to restore sensitivity. Rotating compounds is fine, but the body adapts to the overall “anabolic level” if you will. You aren’t gonna see the results you’re after if you just stay on.

If you’re on a gram of whatever, and you switch to a gram of a comparably strong compound, you will see some changes and refinement...but you aren’t going to just keep seeing muscle piling on. There’s a limit, and things like myostatin come into play. You will have to keep upping the overall dose, and that will surely compromise your health in time.

Bumping down to TRT for 8 weeks will give a lot more payout. It also gives you a break from bulking where you will just try to maintain. The body does not want to keep growing endlessly, just like it plateaus with weightloss if you cut long enough.
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Great post!
 
Hey Mathersby….so what is your end goal for the lantus dose? Do you have a number you are shooting for or just going by feel? How high of a dose have you achieved prior to this run? And your running it 5 on 2 off, correct?
 
Matthersby said:
240 today gents! My body is so pumped it’s painful. Back pumps are excruciating. And I love it.
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Ahhhh HELL!! Here comes the muscle! Congrats brother!
 
bigbeaph said:
Hey Mathersby….so what is your end goal for the lantus dose? Do you have a number you are shooting for or just going by feel? How high of a dose have you achieved prior to this run? And your running it 5 on 2 off, correct?
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Well I made it to 50, I see no reason why I’d ever get over 70. It does not crush bg levels at all. Honestly, it’s so slow acting, that I don’t notice real hunger for 8 hours. Tuesday I pinned 46iu’s and ate 2 protein bars and a bowl of noodles and an hour later my bg was 125. I was definitely playing with way too low of doses due to limited research that recommended starting so low. More experienced guys said you have to get over 50 to see any real results. I use it Mon-Wednesday, and Friday.
 
How many more weeks on NPP?

Maybe set realistic but aggressive weight goals (I will be 244 by this date, 247 here, etc) to help you achieve what you want in the timespan you have.
 
Hyde said:
How many more weeks on NPP?

Maybe set realistic but aggressive weight goals (I will be 244 by this date, 247 here, etc) to help you achieve what you want in the timespan you have.
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Hell, I wouldn’t have thought prior to week 4, I’d be almost 20lbs. But I’d be thrilled in 5 more weeks if I made 255. That’d be 33 lbs and 15 away from my goal with time for labs and room for another blast in late December.
 
Matthersby said:
Hell, I wouldn’t have thought prior to week 4, I’d be almost 20lbs. But I’d be thrilled in 5 more weeks if I made 255. That’d be 33 lbs and 15 away from my goal with time for labs and room for another blast in late December.
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3lbs a week - that’s what you need to average to hit your 255.

I had a manager that was fond of saying, “Do you know how you eat an elephant? One bite at a time, like anything else.” Look at what needs to be done immediately and just keep doing that and before you know it you will be where you need to!
 
Matthersby said:
As far as I’m concerned, if the gear stays in you, it’s fair game. Absorption speeds IM vs SubQ aside. So delts, bis, calves, etc all with a 25-27g 3/4, you won’t even notice it. You can pin anything really as long as it’s considered a “safe” area.
Sciatic area of Glutes = not the best pin site.
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Any issues with 27g and push resistance after insert? With any oil?

Sorry to circle back, I have a bunch of 27g in was going to mail back and stick to 25g...
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
Any issues with 27g and push resistance after insert? With any oil?

Sorry to circle back, I have a bunch of 27g in was going to mail back and stick to 25g...
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I found the 25g was hard going with push resistance. Got a sweat on once lol, 23 much better. Imagine 27 would be really tough.

I’m pinning my left glute left handed (I’m very right handed) so too much resistance and I’d probably shake like a sh1tting dog trying to get it in on that side.
 
Ya, pretty much what most you guys are saying. I don’t need anything smaller than 25g but delts I’ll do a little 3/4 27. It takes a bit too long and 25 only takes 20seconds. I build up scar tissue stupid fast in my delts and have to Ztrack and everything. Oils spills out, I’m Glutes for another 5-10 years at least/ 25g for good also.
 
Hey, I seriously appreciate all the encouragement guys! I love this log and it’s kept me highly motivated. AM has the most quality, intelligent guys out there and I’m psyched to hear kind words from everyone here.
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
Any issues with 27g and push resistance after insert? With any oil?

Sorry to circle back, I have a bunch of 27g in was going to mail back and stick to 25g...
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I know this will probably go against popular opinion here. The deal is I use 23g on glutes and of course that's a 2 second push if you want. I use 25g for VG and it takes a bit more of a push but ideally you dont want to bang it in there anyway. I always try to inject very very slowly and it seems to help pip tremendously. Now I finally decided to try the slin pin method for delt/quad and i screwed up and ordered 29g. Shot test and trest with those without any issue whatsoever. I did backroad it though....didnt draw - that would take a year. It's slow going but your talking about a minute difference probably here. Your going to save the muscle from a lot of tearing vs a larger needle and pip is hard to get with such a small pin. I love it - I'll probably order 27g when I run out but if 29g is gtg then 27g should be FINE!
 
bigbeaph said:
I know this will probably go against popular opinion here. The deal is I use 23g on glutes and of course that's a 2 second push if you want. I use 25g for VG and it takes a bit more of a push but ideally you dont want to bang it in there anyway. I always try to inject very very slowly and it seems to help pip tremendously. Now I finally decided to try the slin pin method for delt/quad and i screwed up and ordered 29g. Shot test and trest with those without any issue whatsoever. I did backroad it though....didnt draw - that would take a year. It's slow going but your talking about a minute difference probably here. Your going to save the muscle from a lot of tearing vs a larger needle and pip is hard to get with such a small pin. I love it - I'll probably order 27g when I run out but if 29g is gtg then 27g should be FINE!
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I had 3 cases of 21g from when I worked in dialysis. I used every one of them. Oil fell outta that needle. Barely even pushed, 2 seconds it was in. Just a little unpleasant for those that don’t love needles. And you’re gonna need to hold pressure 4 outta 5 times.
 
Matthersby said:
I had 3 cases of 21g from when I worked in dialysis. I used every one of them. Oil fell outta that needle. Barely even pushed, 2 seconds it was in. Just a little unpleasant for those that don’t love needles. And you’re gonna need to hold pressure 4 outta 5 times.
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Lol, even they would sometimes block with stano depot.
 
bigbeaph said:
I know this will probably go against popular opinion here. The deal is I use 23g on glutes and of course that's a 2 second push if you want. I use 25g for VG and it takes a bit more of a push but ideally you dont want to bang it in there anyway. I always try to inject very very slowly and it seems to help pip tremendously. Now I finally decided to try the slin pin method for delt/quad and i screwed up and ordered 29g. Shot test and trest with those without any issue whatsoever. I did backroad it though....didnt draw - that would take a year. It's slow going but your talking about a minute difference probably here. Your going to save the muscle from a lot of tearing vs a larger needle and pip is hard to get with such a small pin. I love it - I'll probably order 27g when I run out but if 29g is gtg then 27g should be FINE!
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Alright I'll save the return ship and try 27g for VG and perhaps quads... Since easier to access, I'll use 25g around back and delts still, thanks!
 
Matthersby said:
I had 3 cases of 21g from when I worked in dialysis. I used every one of them. Oil fell outta that needle. Barely even pushed, 2 seconds it was in. Just a little unpleasant for those that don’t love needles. And you’re gonna need to hold pressure 4 outta 5 times.
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Yeah... Gonna pass on the small sword wound lolz.
 
I was on the ****ter earlier pushing one out and thought about the amount of food and kratom you’re on. You have to be dropping sequoia trees huh?
 
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