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I always have to lol at all the mini fights on AM that are just bound to happen over text and the fact that a lot of us are high testosterone alphas
Lol, but still it usually ends fairly rationally unlike certain types of hormonal people.
 
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if you're going to insult me and say I'm detracting from the post, then it's quite laughable that you ask me more questions.
Take it how you want, i honestly don't care either way lol. I'm just trying to isolate variables as to why you can't get your nuts back online with a SERM on cycle.
 
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I always have to lol at all the mini fights on AM that are just bound to happen over text and the fact that a lot of us are high testosterone alphas
I’m actually surprised these types of forums aren’t like the thunderdome. Bunch of roided out fukkers with different opinions. We actually get along pretty well, all things considered lol
 
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I’m actually surprised these types of forums aren’t like the thunderdome. Bunch of roided out fukkers with different opinions. We actually get along pretty well, all things considered lol
Hahaha thunderdome
 
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Var + Enclomid sounds like an interesting cycle to eventually do.
 
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I’m actually surprised these types of forums aren’t like the thunderdome. Bunch of roided out fukkers with different opinions. We actually get along pretty well, all things considered lol
Go to eroids or meso... we here are like the gentlemen's club compared to those places. But AM is not a source board so there's that...
 
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Go to eroids or meso... we here are like the gentlemen's club compared to those places. But AM is not a source board so there's that...
I wouldn’t trust one person on Eroids. There’s guys on here that have enough personal info on me to crucify me if they wanted to...
 
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I wouldn’t trust one person on Eroids. There’s guys on here that have enough personal info on me to crucify me if they wanted to...
Yeah in general there’s a lot of (well-deserved) good faith on this board.
 
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Bump for DCT (during cycle therapy)
 
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I’m 2,5 weeks into my cycle and haven’t noticed very much, I bumped my Var up to 60 but starting to think it’s not the best quality. I got another brand Var from my bodybuilding friend that he useds and I will switch to that tomorrow, starting at 50mg and see if anything happens. I do think my Clomid is good stuff though, I have been extra horny and my loads have been big, even the second time.

Well, wish me luck
 
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I'm just finished my third week of aus 300. This week I went to 1cc twice a week and adex once a week. I'm not seeing any results yet is that normal, and should I get clomid asap and run it 25mg ed instead of the adex once a week? Thanks everyone for the help.
 
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I'm just finished my third week of aus 300. This week I went to 1cc twice a week and adex once a week. I'm not seeing any results yet is that normal, and should I get clomid asap and run it 25mg ed instead of the adex once a week? Thanks everyone for the help.
Im assuming you meant sus? Even with the short ester in there it still takes a few weeks before you start noticing things gains wise. It was really around the 4th-5th week that i started to notice big changes. If youre 3 weeks in to test at 600mg a week i dont see clomid helping a whole lot really. I think it would be a waste of money. If you used it to start serm protocol early for pct i think that could be beneficial
 
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I’ve done this (and still do when I’m trying to retain fertility). It won’t work as well as in PCT but I would bet it does provide some testicular benefit. My testicles respond even when on 500mg of Test.
 
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I’ve done this (and still do when I’m trying to retain fertility). It won’t work as well as in PCT but I would bet it does provide some testicular benefit. My testicles respond even when on 500mg of Test.
Ok thanks. So does it provide any other benefits besides trying to retain fertility? My doctor is aware of what I'm doing but this is following a test result of a low t condition. Not sure of that matters, just trying to provide any info that might be important. Thanks again.
 
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Ok thanks. So does it provide any other benefits besides trying to retain fertility? My doctor is aware of what I'm doing but this is following a test result of a low t condition. Not sure of that matters, just trying to provide any info that might be important. Thanks again.
What exactly are you trying to do?
 
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I'm really trying to get back in the kind of shape I like. I need to trim up as well as build as much size as possible. I'm in the gym as much as much as I can. I have anavar coming that I plan to incorporate about week 7. The questions about the clomid came from some reading about it being used on cycle to help for shutdown.
 
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I’ve done this (and still do when I’m trying to retain fertility). It won’t work as well as in PCT but I would bet it does provide some testicular benefit. My testicles respond even when on 500mg of Test.
If your testicles respond in 500mg if test then obviously it does still promote LH/FSH secretion even on a test cycle. That is good info, thanks.
 
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For an absurdly mild and cautious cycle for recomp, would y’all do 20-30mg var ED with 25mg clomid or 25mg tbol with 25mg clomid. Goal is to minimize risk of shutdown suppression. Just looking for something to expedite results even slightly.
 
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For an absurdly mild and cautious cycle for recomp, would y’all do 20-30mg var ED with 25mg clomid or 25mg tbol with 25mg clomid. Goal is to minimize risk of shutdown suppression. Just looking for something to expedite results even slightly.
Ive been taking 50 mg var and 30 mg Toremifene everyday for the last 4.5 weeks and have felt no suppression.
 
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I have 1 week left. I went up to 70 and started feeling some pretty heavy sides, but 50 mgs is dope.
That’s awesome man thanks so much. So do you think that 5-6 weeks is pretty ideal for a var run? I’ve seen some varying cycle lengths so trying to nail down my schedule
 
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That’s awesome man thanks so much. So do you think that 5-6 weeks is pretty ideal for a var run? I’ve seen some varying cycle lengths so trying to nail down my schedule
I am no expert by any means, this is actually my first cycle, but from what I've seen 4 weeks it's too short and you hit diminishing returns at 8 weeks. So I figured 6, mainly because the amount I got from my source called for it. I will definitely be doing another 6 week run next year though.
 
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Ok thanks. So does it provide any other benefits besides trying to retain fertility? My doctor is aware of what I'm doing but this is following a test result of a low t condition. Not sure of that matters, just trying to provide any info that might be important. Thanks again.
Well, by "retaining fertility" I mean that it keeps the testicles working to some degree. A by result of being shut down is reduced semen output.
 
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I am no expert by any means, this is actually my first cycle, but from what I've seen 4 weeks it's too short and you hit diminishing returns at 8 weeks. So I figured 6, mainly because the amount I got from my source called for it. I will definitely be doing another 6 week run next year though.
Diminishing returns depends on entirely too many factors to just assume is always the case. How well your body is primed, for instance, plays a very key role in how long the gains are going to flow while on cycle.

There are several ways to combat diminishing returns. Here are my top four ways:

1) Actually prime the body for growth prior to cycling - you can do all sorts of primes but the one I'm talking about here is caloric and insulin-restricting diets. So low calorie or low carb or some combination thereof for enough time to prime the body for growth. Priming is just another way of saying that you have triggered all of the right receptors for growth because you are starving your body to some degree. Ideally, you will also be well below 10% BF for best results. You don't want to be lower than about 8% though, otherwise you will have to reverse diet prior to really eating a high calorie diet because you'll have way too much bias towards the fat cells during that period where your body is scary low in BF. My body is "scared" at 7-8% BF. Most others need to be around 5-7%, IMO. 7% BF should be causing all sorts of striations to appear in the chest, back, glutes and thighs when training. If you have a soft-looking lower belly or buttocks, you likely aren't that lean yet unless you are just weird in your fat distribution.

2) Taper the dosage upwards. Many people recommend against this and at the same time most of them have never tried it. People assume that because the Unitarian approach worked just fine for them, that there is no need to accept an alternative like tapering. For what it is worth, the guys back in the day did tapering, especially on the way back down. This is a FAR better alternative for someone who is new to cycling and doesn't want to complicate the process but does want to make absurd gains their first go around. A newbie template can be:

Weeks 1-4 @ 400mg/wk
Weeks 5-8 @ 600mg/wk
Weeks 9-12 @ 800mg/wk
Weeks 13-14 @ 400mg/wk
Weeks 15-16 @ 200mg/wk

Start PCT

Or something to that effect. You could also start lower and not go as high. All depends on what your weight and experience is at perhaps and how long you want to run the cycle. You could also do 5 week increments and only have one increase mid-way thru and then taper back down from weeks 11-14 before starting PCT. I see no reason to have an 8 week run only unless it was prop and ace esters. If you aren't gaining anymore after 8 weeks is not because of the drugs, it is because of your lack of discipline. Just being honest.

3) Change course mid-way thru - meaning change from bulking to cutting or from high carb to low carb or vise versa, etc.

4) Just be patient and consistent with lots of hard work, solid food prep and dedication and make small, singular adjustments every week to keep the gains coming. This actually is my top recommendation in any case.
 
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Diminishing returns depends on entirely too many factors to just assume is always the case. How well your body is primed, for instance, plays a very key role in how long the gains are going to flow while on cycle.

There are several ways to combat diminishing returns. Here are my top four ways:

1) Actually prime the body for growth prior to cycling - you can do all sorts of primes but the one I'm talking about here is caloric and insulin-restricting diets. So low calorie or low carb or some combination thereof for enough time to prime the body for growth. Priming is just another way of saying that you have triggered all of the right receptors for growth because you are starving your body to some degree. Ideally, you will also be well below 10% BF for best results. You don't want to be lower than about 8% though, otherwise you will have to reverse diet prior to really eating a high calorie diet because you'll have way too much bias towards the fat cells during that period where your body is scary low in BF. My body is "scared" at 7-8% BF. Most others need to be around 5-7%, IMO. 7% BF should be causing all sorts of striations to appear in the chest, back, glutes and thighs when training. If you have a soft-looking lower belly or buttocks, you likely aren't that lean yet unless you are just weird in your fat distribution.

2) Taper the dosage upwards. Many people recommend against this and at the same time most of them have never tried it. People assume that because the Unitarian approach worked just fine for them, that there is no need to accept an alternative like tapering. For what it is worth, the guys back in the day did tapering, especially on the way back down. This is a FAR better alternative for someone who is new to cycling and doesn't want to complicate the process but does want to make absurd gains their first go around. A newbie template can be:

Weeks 1-4 @ 400mg/wk
Weeks 5-8 @ 600mg/wk
Weeks 9-12 @ 800mg/wk
Weeks 13-14 @ 400mg/wk
Weeks 15-16 @ 200mg/wk

Start PCT

Or something to that effect. You could also start lower and not go as high. All depends on what your weight and experience is at perhaps and how long you want to run the cycle. You could also do 5 week increments and only have one increase mid-way thru and then taper back down from weeks 11-14 before starting PCT. I see no reason to have an 8 week run only unless it was prop and ace esters. If you aren't gaining anymore after 8 weeks is not because of the drugs, it is because of your lack of discipline. Just being honest.

3) Change course mid-way thru - meaning change from bulking to cutting or from high carb to low carb or vise versa, etc.

4) Just be patient and consistent with lots of hard work, solid food prep and dedication and make small, singular adjustments every week to keep the gains coming. This actually is my top recommendation in any case.
Great info. Thanks.
 
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For an absurdly mild and cautious cycle for recomp, would y’all do 20-30mg var ED with 25mg clomid or 25mg tbol with 25mg clomid. Goal is to minimize risk of shutdown suppression. Just looking for something to expedite results even slightly.
Proviron, Ephedrine & Yohimbine with an increase in cardio work and a clean diet with carb loading on the weekend.

Proviron can be run as high as 75-100mg/day without any significant suppression. There are studies that I have posted on here elsewhere about it.

The Ephedrine and Yohimbine should be treated with caution but I find that half doses of each together works fantastically. There are many others on this board that do the ECY with great success. I would concur, at least from a standpoint of cutting.

Clomid will do nothing for recomp or cutting. It's really just good at getting the T levels & fertility to normal levels, which means it doesn't do much for muscle gain.

Food will though. And cardio for fat loss.
 
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PCT, was a breeze.. took nolva 20mg initially every other day and then dropped down to 10mg whenever i would remember and aramosin 12.5 every week during the last month of my 3 month LGD cycle (10mg, did 20 for like the last weeks). Got bloods the day after my last LGD dose without taking any nolva.. i got the labwork done around 2-3pm so my test should be lower than if i had gotten bloods in the morning.

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Test - 464ng/dl
Lh - 5.1
Fsh - 3.0
Estrogen - 33.5
Prolactin - 12.7
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Can confirm with var and torem. I am like 30+ days into a cycle if 50-70var/30torem with zero side effects except for back pumps. Balls and sex drive feel no different.
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This is an interesting topic, but how do you guys just get blood tests so easily? Like I'm interested in getting tests pre during and post cycle but it would feel kind of awkward I think being tested while knowingly on cycle.
 
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This is an interesting topic, but how do you guys just get blood tests so easily? Like I'm interested in getting tests pre during and post cycle but it would feel kind of awkward I think being tested while knowingly on cycle.
I do it at a commercial lab not at the doctors.
 
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Private MD Labs, as it says in the above sticky. Worth it and very fast easy process.
 
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Fingers crossed that they ship to APO. Thanks for the pointer. So, has this theory panned out at all or is it still in question ? I'm definitely interested in it and if I can I'll get bloods monthly. Thinking of running VAR/Winny/Tore with Clomid in PCT for a recomp soon. Any thoughts to this cycle? Ideally, 30 day intervals, approximately would help to further prove or disprove this theory. The only thing that would be missing unfortunately is the same cycle without tore but you could still see if I was suppressed or how suppressed I was.
 
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Going to test this, for science purposes, on my next PH cycle. Gonna run DMZ, M-sten, and LMG for ~6 weeks and take 30 mg's of torem on cycle. Will report back on how it goes
 
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Going to test this, for science purposes, on my next PH cycle. Gonna run DMZ, M-sten, and LMG for ~6 weeks and take 30 mg's of torem on cycle. Will report back on how it goes
Since that is quite a stout cycle (depending on dosages) you may need to bump torem dose up if you notice testicular atrophy.
 
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Since that is quite a stout cycle (depending on dosages) you may need to bump torem dose up if you notice testicular atrophy.
I was gonna say that’s gonna be a heavy suppressive cycle unlike how guys are doing this with mild anavar. If he is willing to be test subject I’ll be here to learn
 
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Same. My assumption is it will suppress to a greater degree and more torem may be needed. Testicular atrophy is a good indicator.
 
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Since that is quite a stout cycle (depending on dosages) you may need to bump torem dose up if you notice testicular atrophy.
Hmm yea I think you're right I was thinking of that guy that posted bloods using torem on cycle but that was just ostarine so I'll bump up to 60. Was planning on adjusting based off testicular atrophy/sides anyway. Also plan on running for 4 weeks after my cycle too and taper off just to play things safe. Just interested to see if I can avoid/limit the shutdown on cycle
 
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Hmm yea I think you're right I was thinking of that guy that posted bloods using torem on cycle but that was just ostarine so I'll bump up to 60. Was planning on adjusting based off testicular atrophy/sides anyway. Also plan on running for 4 weeks after my cycle too and taper off just to play things safe. Just interested to see if I can avoid/limit the shutdown on cycle
You’re gonna want 60 Torem at least anyway just to combat gyno from the LMG. I had to bump mine to 90 when I added LMG in just to keep up, which wasn’t worth it to me, so I dropped the LMG after 2 weeks and lowered Torem to 60.
 
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You’re gonna want 60 Torem at least anyway just to combat gyno from the LMG. I had to bump mine to 90 when I added LMG in just to keep up, which wasn’t worth it to me, so I dropped the LMG after 2 weeks and lowered Torem to 60.
Was gonna run Arimidex EOD and inhibit P to try to keep things under control

What dosage were you running LMG at?
 
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I think I would use low dose ai and 45mg torem and go from there
 
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Was gonna run Arimidex EOD and inhibit P to try to keep things under control

What dosage were you running LMG at?
I think I would use low dose ai and 45mg torem and go from there
Inhibit P is a very good idea, if not actual caber or prami. An AI is useless in that stack - literally none of those compounds aromatizes. SERM + prolactin control is what you will want.

LMG was dosed at 60mg/day.
 
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Thought lmg was wet. My bad
 

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