Blast: Trestolone Acetate + Testosterone + Superdrol + LGD / Hairygrandpa blowing up!

Always used huperzine, luckily its dirt cheap. Maybe I tolerate dac better now, since losing 1-2 bf%. What I hate most is insomnia. On Mk its very pronounced when dosing before bed. Taking it mornings, I get hangover symptoms during work hours, not good either. Will wait at least a month before trying again.
Bloat from trest is subsiding. Yesterday two friends commented that I look way leaner. Found a new sparring partner, thats the best news I think, as I hate all dull "hamster cardio".
 
MrKleen73 said:
MK would be a pretty high dose to get the same benefits...

If you want maximal levels of IGF then most of the studies I have seen were 25mg. At 10 it helps with recovery too though.

Yeah, but if running DAC for HGP I would probably only do 10mg daily or the bloat might get stupid. He bloats a lot on MK.

Not really, exogenous HGH still causes insulin sensitivity issues.

DAC is the best Peptide I have ever used! I was lucky enough to drop a couple hundo on some and get a nice deal to run it at 3g a week and it was awesome!!!! I used a few Huperzine A throughout the day to induce little Spikes, and at one point was running 300mg of GHRP-2 before bed with it. Amazing results!!!!

Was that while running at 50mg though? You can run DAC with Huperzine too. Also using an OTC HGH supplement willl produce a hell of a spike while on DAC. DAC limits somatostatin which limits how much GH is released so with the DAC in anything that would cause a GH spike or pulse is multiplied greatly too!



Maybe Progesterone, or Yam Powder?
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I remember now it's hibiscus sabdariff. It's great at controlling bloat through significantly lower aldosterone.

A good high dosed Gingko biloba, is another.

Same with magnesium.
 
MrKleen73 said:
MK would be a pretty high dose to get the same benefits...

If you want maximal levels of IGF then most of the studies I have seen were 25mg. At 10 it helps with recovery too though.

Yeah, but if running DAC for HGP I would probably only do 10mg daily or the bloat might get stupid. He bloats a lot on MK.

Not really, exogenous HGH still causes insulin sensitivity issues.

DAC is the best Peptide I have ever used! I was lucky enough to drop a couple hundo on some and get a nice deal to run it at 3g a week and it was awesome!!!! I used a few Huperzine A throughout the day to induce little Spikes, and at one point was running 300mg of GHRP-2 before bed with it. Amazing results!!!!

Was that while running at 50mg though? You can run DAC with Huperzine too. Also using an OTC HGH supplement willl produce a hell of a spike while on DAC. DAC limits somatostatin which limits how much GH is released so with the DAC in anything that would cause a GH spike or pulse is multiplied greatly too!



Maybe Progesterone, or Yam Powder?
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I’m assuming there is no additional benefit to running both ghrp2 and mk with cjc dac as fundamentally the same thing?

My results at the moment are really starting to come on well, my weight loss is slow but I seem to be leaning out quicker.....I’ve also managed to maintain strength since starting the mk and cjc, had an initial drop following the start of my cut but then maintained despite a further 8-10lb weight decrease.

I’m going to continue running during my first test cycle so hoping for great results then.
 
rtmilburn said:
I remember now it's hibiscus sabdariff. It's great at controlling bloat through significantly lower aldosterone.

A good high dosed Gingko biloba, is another.

Same with magnesium.
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Interesting, will have a look.
 
Back day

BB Bent over row / SS / BB good mornings

bent over 225lbs x15
mornings 180lbs x14
bent over 245lbs x9
mornings 180lbs x10
bent over 245lbs x 7
mornings 180lbs x10

Lat pull down
220lbs x13/11/13

One armed lat pull down, holding 1 sec.
80lbs x10/10/9

4x neck exercises x 2 sets = 8 sets
 
rtmilburn said:
Be careful apparently it can be toxic if done wrong
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Nah. Not toxic at all.

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Its a bush and grows vigorously. After planting a 1 feet little plant, 3-4 month later you can harvest the buds.
Planted a few a year ago and had jam and cold beverages from it the whole summer. Its sour tasting and refreshing.
 
How that neck growing ???
 
Whisky said:
I’m assuming there is no additional benefit to running both ghrp2 and mk with cjc dac as fundamentally the same thing?

My results at the moment are really starting to come on well, my weight loss is slow but I seem to be leaning out quicker.....I’ve also managed to maintain strength since starting the mk and cjc, had an initial drop following the start of my cut but then maintained despite a further 8-10lb weight decrease.

I’m going to continue running during my first test cycle so hoping for great results then.
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Well, I am not sure, someone said earlier that they were getting GH levels equal to 6-7IU of HGH a day. I would have to see some blood work proving that because everyone would be running it. People would stop spending ridiculous amounts on HGH if they could just by some cheap peptides and a secretatogue.

Now an GHRP-2 is not the same as CJC 1295 w/ DAC in that the GHRP-2 does not last as long and creates a MUCH larger GH spike. The combination of the 2 means you get the giant pulse from the GHRP and it lasts longer due to less somatostatin being active. You are probably thinking of Mod-GRF 129 which also stops somatostatin from stopping the pulse but only for about 30 minutes if I remember correctly.

It has been a very long time since I revisited this so someone else may have a little more accurate way of explaining it. The basics though are that you get bigger pulses that last much longer with the combination.
 
I have heard of people getting similar levels with CJC/DAC & MK to 3-4iu, but 6-7 sounds a bit far-fetched. It is the most bang for buck GH approach there is, perhaps along with GHRP6. So I’ve heard the bodybuilding talking heads say. But it’s not the same as taking 8iu daily either.

Great back day, beastly GP!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Cycle update

Yesterday was my last shot of trest-ace. Liver values should be normal again, last t-bol usage was 2 weeks ago.
Cycle is over. Learned a lot this time, especially how to handle trest appropriately. Now I'm waiting for the bloat to subside and get a glimpse of what's underneath.

Starting my cruise today by pre-loading 400mg test/e.
Cruise will be: 200mg test/e per week and 20mg/d anavar, for at least 8 weeks.
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hairygrandpa said:
We discovered that methyl-estro has a longer half life than estrogen, That may be a reason too.
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I came back from vacation and I think my subscription jumped me ahead a bunch in the thread. I went back to page 61 and still could not find the details. So how did you "handle trest appropriately"? At 32.5mg/d (I saw that in one of the posts) that comes out to just over 227mg/wk. How did it treat you? Any sides to speak of?

Thanks!
 
Sparkss said:
I came back from vacation and I think my subscription jumped me ahead a bunch in the thread. I went back to page 61 and still could not find the details. So how did you "handle trest appropriately"? At 32.5mg/d (I saw that in one of the posts) that comes out to just over 227mg/wk. How did it treat you? Any sides to speak of?

Thanks!
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No Test, Trest 32.5mg/d, 0.25mg/d caber and 0.5mg adex/d was the working formula. I lowered adex to 0.5mg eod -worked the same. Slight nipple sensitivity -but no gyno symptoms as before. Conclusion, guys who get nipple trouble on trest are most likely prolactin sensitive and caber (or prami) does the trick. The day I use NPP again (gave me the same trouble) I'll do it with caber, betting both of my nuts that it will work.

Now....problem is, methyl estro from trest has a longer half life than regular estro. When starting my test TRT regime, I did not use an AI for the first week...probably will go for at least 2 weeks without AI. Reasoning is: already existing methyl estro in my blood can not be lowered by AI. When it is gone, I have no estro left, because I went without Testosterone. Test-E has a long HL and needs time to form estro - hence NO AI for 2 weeks when restarting test.
 
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Well, not really convincing....only rat studies, partly extracts used with very high dosages and marginal toxicity. No indication of toxicity for consumption in humans -but interesting anyway.
My guess is, if you would give those rats a ultra high dosage of strawberry extract, it may do the same -but never was studied.
 
Good news

Trest bloat is going away and my scale said: 98kg (216lbs).
Weight after cycle (a week ago): 103.5kg (228lbs)

12lbs lost in a week. I like what the mirror is showing. Will keep my IF regime and see how it ends.
 
hairygrandpa said:
No Test, Trest 32.5mg/d, 0.25mg/d caber and 0.5mg adex/d was the working formula. I lowered adex to 0.5mg eod -worked the same. Slight nipple sensitivity -but no gyno symptoms as before. Conclusion, guys who get nipple trouble on trest are most likely prolactin sensitive and caber (or prami) does the trick. The day I use NPP again (gave me the same trouble) I'll do it with caber, betting both of my nuts that it will work.

Now....problem is, methyl estro from trest has a longer half life than regular estro. When starting my test TRT regime, I did not use an AI for the first week...probably will go for at least 2 weeks without AI. Reasoning is: already existing methyl estro in my blood can not be lowered by AI. When it is gone, I have no estro left, because I went without Testosterone. Test-E has a long HL and needs time to form estro - hence NO AI for 2 weeks when restarting test.
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Thank you for taking the risk again to figure out how to make Trest work for us gyno-sensitive guys. I have stayed away from it since it has been so notoriously inconsistent for guys to agree on how to control it - but you have shown that prolactin control really seems to be what is contributing to issues for the guys who have them. Well that and just taking more than the dopamine agonists can control, obviously.
 
Hyde said:
Thank you for taking the risk again to figure out how to make Trest work for us gyno-sensitive guys. I have stayed away from it since it has been so notoriously inconsistent for guys to agree on how to control it - but you have shown that prolactin control really seems to be what is contributing to issues for the guys who have them. Well that and just taking more than the dopamine agonists can control, obviously.
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The consensus was always: "Control estrogen and this keeps prolactin in check." Well, since trest does not use the aromatase enzyme to convert to estrogen, AI's wont work = no estrogen control, hence prolactin has to be controlled.
I'm also glad to have figured that out -but it was with the help of some members here, who found the interesting studies.
 
Just adding a thanks again for the magnesium advice.
Nearly one full week and no issues since.
Low carb and nearly a 70 hour work week and I've felt great. A little ECA has helped also.

After playing with a few little extra ideas I have nutted it down to to much water.
HGP's glycerol trick is working well to help keep water in me and the electrolytes levels up.
 
MrKleen73 and Whisky.
What range of doses of CJC DAC have you guys run with MK and where do you feel the minimum dose would start?

Im really thinking of adding it to the second half of my cycle.
 
Newth said:
MrKleen73 and @Wisky.
What range of doses of CJC DAC have you guys run with MK and where do you feel the minimum dose would start?

Im really thinking of adding it to the second half of my cycle.
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I started at 2mg a week and increased to 4 a week around 3 weeks ago. Mk at 30 ed (would do 25 but caps are 10’s).

I increased to 4 ew on the cjc after another forum member posted graphs showing the optimum dosing for igf increases (starts to be a diminishing return high than 4 basically)
 
Whisky said:
I started at 2mg a week and increased to 4 a week around 3 weeks ago. Mk at 30 ed (would do 25 but caps are 10’s).

I increased to 4 ew on the cjc after another forum member posted graphs showing the optimum dosing for igf increases (starts to be a diminishing return high than 4 basically)
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Do you think 2 was worth while?
 
Newth said:
Do you think 2 was worth while?
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For sure, recovery and joints feel immense. I’m leaner than I’ve ever been but I have been running clen and eca for the first time (with a tight diet) so I can’t say that’s down to the cjc mk. However, I have noticed much less drop off in strength than my previous cuts (pulled 396 for 5 tonight at bw 198, same as my best 5 rep 20lbs heavier)
 
Whisky said:
For sure, recovery and joints feel immense. I’m leaner than I’ve ever been but I have been running clen and eca for the first time (with a tight diet) so I can’t say that’s down to the cjc mk. However, I have noticed much less drop off in strength than my previous cuts (pulled 396 for 5 tonight at bw 198, same as my best 5 rep 20lbs heavier)
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Cool.
I'm on ECA atm and after two weeks of calorie deficit trying to hold water I finally got the scale to budge down this morning, a three kg drop.
I will be starting S4 next week so I'm hoping strength should be kicking in before YK two weeks later.
 
30 minutes leg session
-very short pauses between sets and exercises

Smith squat
225 x15/14 rp 6

leg press
500 x14/12 rp 4

unilateral leg curls
55lbs x11/10 rp 3

Leg extensions
160lbs x10/10/10/10/10/ 8+2
 
Get the wheel chair out for today!!
 
Newth said:
Do you think 2 was worth while?
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When I went above 2mg per week it raised my BP about the same as an oral does. That was with split doses. So for me anything more than 1mg per dose would significantly raise my BP. Although a lot of people run it at 4 (or higher). Just watch your BP.
 
Hyde said:
Thank you for taking the risk again to figure out how to make Trest work for us gyno-sensitive guys. I have stayed away from it since it has been so notoriously inconsistent for guys to agree on how to control it - but you have shown that prolactin control really seems to be what is contributing to issues for the guys who have them. Well that and just taking more than the dopamine agonists can control, obviously.
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This, I have been contemplating an IM run of trest but that darn nipple stuff just gets me every time and I don't end up doing it.
Newth said:
MrKleen73 and Whisky.
What range of doses of CJC DAC have you guys run with MK and where do you feel the minimum dose would start?

Im really thinking of adding it to the second half of my cycle.
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None, I have run both separately. I have gone as high as 30mg on the Mk and that had me retaining so much water it was like edema. I could press into it and it would leave a pit where I pressed into it for a little bit. I have run DAC @ 2, and 3 a week and have wanted to try 4 but it is too expensive to run that dose for legit DAC. I could likely find some decent generic HGH for the cost of that. I noticed increased recovery and fat loss at 2mg and that increased recovery and fat loss by what I would expect it to on the next one with 3mg a week.

hairygrandpa said:
30 minutes leg session
-very short pauses between sets and exercises

Smith squat
225 x15/14 rp 6

leg press
500 x14/12 rp 4

unilateral leg curls
55lbs x11/10 rp 3

Leg extensions
160lbs x10/10/10/10/10/ 8+2
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Nice work, a fast paced DC type lift. Looks fun! I like DC with the old man set up too. I am going to have to revisit at some point with the higher reps.
 
Got an email yesterday from 0 flucks saying they don’t have a supplier for Trest Ace raws, don’t have one in site, and are considering discontinuing the product.

A lot of the American RC sites are likely in bed with the same suppliers so if you are really wanting Ace might be a good time to snatch it up, in case there’s a long dry spell coming.
 
Hyde said:
Got an email yesterday from 0 flucks saying they don’t have a supplier for Trest Ace raws, don’t have one in site, and are considering discontinuing the product.

A lot of the American RC sites are likely in bed with the same suppliers so if you are really wanting Ace might be a good time to snatch it up, in case there’s a long dry spell coming.
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its truly a shame.. I wish I had gotten theirs ... @ 100mg per ML it was likely the best option.. not to mention it gets tested before it goes into production.. also strange is the fact that everyone seemed to have stocked up before they put this offering out. thus leaving a dust collector to their line up. you wouldn't think it could happen, yet it did.
 
Shoulder/Arms - HGP style

Bradford press (olympic bar) /SS/ DB side lateral 2x20lbs/ SS/ one armed kettlebell side laterals 15lbs
B:45
DB:18
K:16
B:28
DB:15
K:14
B:22
DB:12
K:10
B:22
DB:10
K:10
B:18
DB:9
K:10

Cable bent over low pulley
30lbs x16/12/14/10

reverse pec dec
130lbs different grips x 14/13/15/9/8

Pull ups neutral grip /ss/ triceps v-handle push downs
P: 15
tri: 110lbs (whole stack) x13
P: 12
tri 110lbs x 12
P: 10
tri 110lbs x 12

Dips/ss/cable one armed biceps curl

D: 36
C 35lbs x15
D: 28
C 35lbs x 12
D: 18
C: 35lbs x11
D: 16
C 35lbs x10
D: 11
C 35lbs x8

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Leaning out....
 
hairygrandpa said:
Shoulder/Arms - HGP style

Bradford press (olympic bar) /SS/ DB side lateral 2x20lbs/ SS/ one armed kettlebell side laterals 15lbs
B:45
DB:18
K:16
B:28
DB:15
K:14
B:22
DB:12
K:10
B:22
DB:10
K:10
B:18
DB:9
K:10

Cable bent over low pulley
30lbs x16/12/14/10

reverse pec dec
130lbs different grips x 14/13/15/9/8

Pull ups neutral grip /ss/ triceps v-handle push downs
P: 15
tri: 110lbs (whole stack) x13
P: 12
tri 110lbs x 12
P: 10
tri 110lbs x 12

Dips/ss/cable one armed biceps curl

D: 36
C 35lbs x15
D: 28
C 35lbs x 12
D: 18
C: 35lbs x11
D: 16
C 35lbs x10
D: 11
C 35lbs x8

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Leaning out....
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One hell of a session that !
 
hairygrandpa said:
Shoulder/Arms - HGP style

Bradford press (olympic bar) /SS/ DB side lateral 2x20lbs/ SS/ one armed kettlebell side laterals 15lbs
B:45
DB:18
K:16
B:28
DB:15
K:14
B:22
DB:12
K:10
B:22
DB:10
K:10
B:18
DB:9
K:10

Cable bent over low pulley
30lbs x16/12/14/10

reverse pec dec
130lbs different grips x 14/13/15/9/8

Pull ups neutral grip /ss/ triceps v-handle push downs
P: 15
tri: 110lbs (whole stack) x13
P: 12
tri 110lbs x 12
P: 10
tri 110lbs x 12

Dips/ss/cable one armed biceps curl

D: 36
C 35lbs x15
D: 28
C 35lbs x 12
D: 18
C: 35lbs x11
D: 16
C 35lbs x10
D: 11
C 35lbs x8

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Leaning out....
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Hey horny old cünt are those abs i am starting to see?



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version for hairygrandpa and DemntedCowboy


hey geile alte fotze bin diese abs ich fange an zu sehen
 
Inspirational HG!! Looking swole brother!!
 
Looking good HGP.
Chest, shoulder and trap definition are coming through nicely too.
 
Banana Land Sure Looks Pretty !!
 
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