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VECTOR pre release leaks and info

Oconns28 said:
I am completely neutral here but you are more attacking and leaving out the option that possibly someone sent Woody a PM about it. Is it really that crazy for a rep to look at other threads?

Personally I feel like there is way too much effort being wasted on this fighting. I think BLR and OL are both highly respected companies.

Can’t we all just get along?!
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Pretty sure if you read what I said, I said someone could have alerted him.
 
Studhorse said:
I have been Natty my whole life. Advantages are that I don't lose my gains, or have to deal with side effects. Disadvantage is most of my buddies leave me behind when it comes to gains.

All I know is Vector did more for me in 8 weeks than any other supplement I have taken.
Note: When I was in my 20's the natural gains came pretty easy. for the last 25 years they come very slow and I mostly only maintain. It's a lifestyle for me.
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Feel you there bro. Not losing is winning when you're growing older, and we'd be lucky to be gaining.
Looking good!
 
Seriously thinking of a particular Mass builder with Vector at the core!
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I’ll preface this comment by saying that I do think Vector is a solid product, and the feedback supports this, but I thought I should point out that even long after cessation of steroid use, beneficial changes in muscle fibers of steroid users persist, including an increased number of myonuclei per fiber as well as an increase in muscle fiber size. My point being that someone who has used steroids in the past still has a higher “ceiling” or potential than someone who has been natural their entire life, and isn’t exactly the best example of what is attainable using natural products. Anyway, good stuff, I’ll see myself out, just thought I’d point that out.
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Truth

Could care less if they’re not using anything now lol. You have stilled dabbled and the effects still linger, the body that guy attained was due to AAS.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Yeah, if you're a lifetime natural, then your experience would be more indicative of what to expect IMO. I don't want to turn this into an analysis of natural vs assisted, only to point out that a "former AAS user" is in no way the same thing as a "lifetime natural," even if the former hasn't used anything in years. Showing a picture of someone who used to use steroids when talking about what a natural product can do is sort of sill IMO; your experience is much more useful IMO, so props to your for logging it.

Again, I'm not bashing the product at all, only clarifying something that is somewhat misleading.
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I'm perfect fitting with you! and it's not just a theory like that, but there are studies that say it !!!

But do not worry !!! I'll take care of this situation !!!

I chose to remove all the supplements I used before (I'm talking about technical supplements), and I decided to run with Vector and Follidrone2 ...
I'm at the fourth bottle of follidrone2 no stop, short (in 1 week) I go to the second bottle of Vector!
I will keep you updated on everything!
I have the goal of getting 4 bottles of vector after another (always together with follidrone2).
IF I did not have to see a changed physical, if I did not have any "tangible" change, then I would have thrown only money into the toilet !!! and I will not buy anything anymore !!!
WARNING! maybe someone knows me as the one who "can not speak and write well in English" ... or "the stranger" ... but I am a respectable and meticulous user in this discipline !!! I am a personal trainer and I intend to feed (in my small way) thanks to personal experiences and teachings received from the "big guri" ... so I am not naive or neophyte ... (as some may seem ...).
I've always been honest here, and I'll always be!

So I want to give a chance to these products of the house "black lion research", which certainly does not cost me a little ... are technical and expensive products (high cost) ... but if I had to do "physical change", I will be happy to spend more money for the future.
So stay tuned ... already my diet is great ... my training too, no other kind of problem ...

See you soon!
 
my third (and last) tub will arrive tomorrow. i began Vector the first week it came out in preparation for a vacation I have this coming Monday. strength, size, endurance, etc have all gone up thanks to Vector. though the best thing i liked about it was the 'sense of well-being'. it has trickled off over the last month or so and i wish it could have been more sustained. not only did it help with aggression in the gym but it made each day better in general.

i'll be bringing the tub with me as this will be an 'active' vacation. it'll consist of surfing, boxing, and bootcamp style workouts along with 30something other people. and of course their will be booze ; )
 
cbr1000rr said:
my third (and last) tub will arrive tomorrow. i began Vector the first week it came out in preparation for a vacation I have this coming Monday. strength, size, endurance, etc have all gone up thanks to Vector. though the best thing i liked about it was the 'sense of well-being'. it has trickled off over the last month or so and i wish it could have been more sustained. not only did it help with aggression in the gym but it made each day better in general.

i'll be bringing the tub with me as this will be an 'active' vacation. it'll consist of surfing, boxing, and bootcamp style workouts along with 30something other people. and of course their will be booze ; )
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My man, that's great news. I've experienced the same with my first tub, and into my second now.
BTW: My cousin was an avid CBR1100xx Blackbird rider. His handle was 'motobeagle'.

He used to say: "Illinois may be flat and cold but at least it's ugly."
 
This seems like an awesome product.. been out of the support game a few years and I'm sad to see pes goin down hill so far.. never tried black lion before but all these logs and experiences make me want to try it.. will it go down in price any after the 6th?.. or are there coupons possibly?.. I only have 50 in the budget for supposed per check..
 
D3x said:
This seems like an awesome product.. been out of the support game a few years and I'm sad to see pes goin down hill so far.. never tried black lion before but all these logs and experiences make me want to try it.. will it go down in price any after the 6th?.. or are there coupons possibly?.. I only have 50 in the budget for supposed per check..
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What makes you think PES is going down hill?
 
Alpha t-2 got discontinued.. erase lost it's key ingredient.. pressure from gnc and other partners on ingredient profiles has stunted their ability to innovate like they used to.. erase used to be strong enough to use as a cycle ai.. now it's made from things Dr Oz would be proud of.. if vector is as good as things have been showing let's hope black lion has better integrity.. let's not take away from their product thread tho..
 
D3x said:
Alpha t-2 got discontinued.. erase lost it's key ingredient.. pressure from gnc and other partners on ingredient profiles has stunted their ability to innovate like they used to.. erase used to be strong enough to use as a cycle ai.. now it's made from things Dr Oz would be proud of.. if vector is as good as things have been showing let's hope black lion has better integrity.. let's not take away from their product thread tho..
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I was just curious why you stated PES was going down hill? I'm not an expert about supplement companies. I doubt it has made them do down hill? I'm sure they are making plenty of money.

Oh Vector is good stuff!
 
Studhorse said:
I was just curious why you stated PES was going down hill? I'm not an expert about supplement companies. I doubt it has made them do down hill? I'm sure they are making plenty of money.

Oh Vector is good stuff!
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Downhill from the point of view of a natty anabolic user I guess. I used to buy a lot of stuff by PES, but now there is nothing left which is worth it.

But back to BLR, vector is really a great product for my purposes. And that comes from a guy who had relatively underwhelming results with FD2
 
LardLungs said:
Completely agree on PES going downhill. OG Erase, Erase Pro, Anabeta and Amino IV were the ish. Even Anabeta Elite is disappearing. Shift seems to be less available. And don’t even get me started on Alphamine and Norcodrene essentially being replaced with a cup of coffee. Those new versions are pathetic. I’m glad we have other companies to keep the industry moving forward.
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PES still has ergonine undeniably the best cutting/recomping ergogenic aid available that WAS next to Tr1umph being the best bulking/recomping ergogenic aid.
Plus their proteins taste bomb, also you get good bang for your buck. Casein being more expensive than whey, it’s amazing that’d you’d get both considering studies show whey and casein to be better than just whey. Also with high volume being a sick pump product and prolific being a not so bad stim.

Really they just need to release a new muscle builder. Hopefully something with either as powerful an extract of AC used in their past products or it doesn’t even have to be some new ingredient just some combination that’s really nice.
 
Could we please discontinue the current trend naming other companies, and redirect towards Vector.
 
Rockzilla said:
PES still has ergonine undeniably the best cutting/recomping ergogenic aid available that WAS next to Tr1umph being the best bulking/recomping ergogenic aid.
Plus their proteins taste bomb, also you get good bang for your buck. Casein being more expensive than whey, it’s amazing that’d you’d get both considering studies show whey and casein to be better than just whey. Also with high volume being a sick pump product and prolific being a not so bad stim.

Really they just need to release a new muscle builder. Hopefully something with either as powerful an extract of AC used in their past products or it doesn’t even have to be some new ingredient just some combination that’s really nice.
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Ergonine is a staple of mine and its wide variety of benefits to support about any type of goal or program. The flavors are delightful as well in my opinion. It's one product that I consistently keep stocked in the cupboard at all times.

Selects profile is hard to be topped and if you shop around or stock up during insiders it would be difficult to beat the price per serving for such a superior blend. Once again the flavoring is incredibly tasty all without having to add extra sugar.

Thanks for your support and post. So many people focus on their dissatisfaction towards our formula changes that they really miss out on the other products we offer which would benefit them greatly over a majority of the products they are using currently. Not just speaking on the formula or ingredient panel of said products but also financially and from a quality perspective.

Josh has flirted with the idea of a muscle buiding product but from my understanding he doesn't want to concentrate on releasing a product with ingredients that are already flooding the market. That could change but I love that Josh isn't afraid to make some unpopular choices on ingredients. To the average Joe it may seem crazy but I know just how much research is done on each ingredient and product we release before it ever sees a shelf or even testing. The industry is lucky to have company owners and R&D teams going against the grain when formulating as just like in so many other fields thats how we make progress and breakthroughs while also weeding out ingredients that were all hype over results.
 
LardLungs said:
So let me get this straight. Doing things such as removing HICA, Eucommia Ulmoides Leaf, Olea Europaea Leaf, Higenamine HCL, SA2-A, and 2-hydroxy-2-p-methoxyphenylethyl benzamide from Alphamine and replacing them with Leucine, LCLT, and L-Theanine is “progress and a breakthrough” and “weeding out ingredients that are over-hyped”. Please. PES soldout to become more mainstream. Nothing wrong with that. Happens to bands all the time. You want to appeal to a broader audience and make more money. But spare me the “progress and breakthrough” crap.

Sorry, had to get that off my chest after reading that comment. Okay, back to Vector.
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LiveToLift said:
Ergonine is a staple of mine and its wide variety of benefits to support about any type of goal or program. The flavors are delightful as well in my opinion. It's one product that I consistently keep stocked in the cupboard at all times.

Selects profile is hard to be topped and if you shop around or stock up during insiders it would be difficult to beat the price per serving for such a superior blend. Once again the flavoring is incredibly tasty all without having to add extra sugar.

Thanks for your support and post. So many people focus on their dissatisfaction towards our formula changes that they really miss out on the other products we offer which would benefit them greatly over a majority of the products they are using currently. Not just speaking on the formula or ingredient panel of said products but also financially and from a quality perspective.

Josh has flirted with the idea of a muscle buiding product but from my understanding he doesn't want to concentrate on releasing a product with ingredients that are already flooding the market. That could change but I love that Josh isn't afraid to make some unpopular choices on ingredients. To the average Joe it may seem crazy but I know just how much research is done on each ingredient and product we release before it ever sees a shelf or even testing. The industry is lucky to have company owners and R&D teams going against the grain when formulating as just like in so many other fields thats how we make progress and breakthroughs while also weeding out ingredients that were all hype over results.
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This is the BLR company sub thread. Not the place for this conversation
 
LardLungs said:
So let me get this straight. Doing things such as removing HICA, Eucommia Ulmoides Leaf, Olea Europaea Leaf, Higenamine HCL, SA2-A, and 2-hydroxy-2-p-methoxyphenylethyl benzamide from Alphamine and replacing them with Leucine, LCLT, and L-Theanine is “progress and a breakthrough” and “weeding out ingredients that are over-hyped”. Please. PES soldout to become more mainstream. Nothing wrong with that. Happens to bands all the time. You want to appeal to a broader audience and make more money. But spare me the “progress and breakthrough” crap.

Sorry, had to get that off my chest after reading that comment. Okay, back to Vector.
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Bud its obvious you have an agenda here but by saying weeding out over hyped I was speaking on the industry changing over the last decade. Ingredients that were swore by back in the golden era or body building aren't even being looked at now. I can fully understand how you could pick apart my post to make it seem I was justifying changes we made with our products but that comment had nothing to do with any reformulations we made. It was supporting the fact that innovation has helped the entire industry evolve as a whole so decisions made on new ingredients can often times lead to breakthroughs in an industry of people desperately looking for that new god like product to get ripped quick.

I for one loved all of the original formulations we had with the exception of a few ingredients that I either started to get fully immune to or had some adverse reactions to but I also enjoy the new formulas as well.

I challenge you to read over my last post again as you will understand fully what I'm saying unless you are new to this industry. I flirted with "natural" supplements for the good portion of a decade up until going on TRT and to anyone with that type of experience you know that most of the holy grail products and ingredients on the market 10-15 years ago aren't even on the market any longer and if they are they are no where near as hyped as they once were.


Matter of fact I just read over my comment again and it clearly states my point of weeding out ingredients in the discussion of us possibly releasing a new muscle building product so apparently the agenda is strong to get as confused as you show to be.
 
justhere4comm said:
Could we please discontinue the current trend naming other companies, and redirect towards Vector.
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mechka_grizli said:
This is the BLR company sub thread. Not the place for this conversation
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Sorry about that guys. I overlooked where this thread was located in the forum and somehow it popped up under my notifications in which I read a comment aimed towards PES. Apologize again.
 
Okay Muscletech let it die and return the thread to Vector which is an actual innovative product.. so tomorrow is the 6th.. Where can we expect to see vector?.. nutraplanet for sure, but will the other venders be listed on Facebook​ or?
 
In any case now I'm intrigued by this Vector product so I'll be checking it out. We can chop this up as a win since I'm now intrigued by a product I've never heard of before.
 
D3x said:
This seems like an awesome product.. been out of the support game a few years and I'm sad to see pes goin down hill so far.. never tried black lion before but all these logs and experiences make me want to try it.. will it go down in price any after the 6th?.. or are there coupons possibly?.. I only have 50 in the budget for supposed per check..
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Its hard to judge. Generally a product that sells so briskly at full price doesnt get discounted often but you can find coupon codes and the like for certain sites. For example our reps have codes that give a discount on our site. At the end of the day if you can only buy one product Vector is a great choice.
Great for muscle growth
Great for performance enhancement
Great for fat loss.
 
brundel said:
Its hard to judge. Generally a product that sells so briskly at full price doesnt get discounted often but you can find coupon codes and the like for certain sites. For example our reps have codes that give a discount on our site. At the end of the day if you can only buy one product Vector is a great choice.
Great for muscle growth
Great for performance enhancement
Great for fat loss.
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"Great for muscle growth
Great for performance enhancement
Great for fat loss."

Well that sounds like everything everyone on this forum can benefit from!
 
D3x said:
Okay Muscletech let it die and return the thread to Vector which is an actual innovative product.. so tomorrow is the 6th.. Where can we expect to see vector?.. nutraplanet for sure, but will the other venders be listed on Facebook​ or?
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Will be available on our site as well as our other retailers.
Might be some new retailers as well. Ill post on FB and possibly on our newsletter so if your not signed up for the newsletter get in there and sign up.

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LiveToLift said:
"Great for muscle growth
Great for performance enhancement
Great for fat loss."

Well that sounds like everything everyone on this forum can benefit from!
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Its surprisingly good. At first it was hard to believe it was working as well as it was but there were about 10 people running it, most of who did not know what they were taking. Everyone had similar results. 10ish lbs in weight shift. Some more, some less but 10 average.
Strength. Fat loss.
More than one complained that I had given them a steroid and were upset because they didnt want to be suppressed. But its not a steroid.
Try it bro you wont be disappointed.
 
brundel said:
Its surprisingly good. At first it was hard to believe it was working as well as it was but there were about 10 people running it, most of who did not know what they were taking. Everyone had similar results. 10ish lbs in weight shift. Some more, some less but 10 average.
Strength. Fat loss.
More than one complained that I had given them a steroid and were upset because they didnt want to be suppressed. But its not a steroid.
Try it bro you wont be disappointed.
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That is very impressive for a natural product. Out of curiosity were these testers dedicated lifters or were they new to supplementation and not as dedicated. Do you have any bloodwork done from anyone who has used it? If be curious to look more into this for sure. Thanks for the info sir.
 
brundel said:
Its surprisingly good. At first it was hard to believe it was working as well as it was but there were about 10 people running it, most of who did not know what they were taking. Everyone had similar results. 10ish lbs in weight shift. Some more, some less but 10 average.
Strength. Fat loss.
More than one complained that I had given them a steroid and were upset because they didnt want to be suppressed. But its not a steroid.
Try it bro you wont be disappointed.
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I think i've got to see this for myself.. Looks like i'll be grabbing a few bottles.. Im a skeptic when it comes to claims like the one's made here, but i sure hope that Vector makes me a believer!
 
Well, I'm convinced. Gonna give this a go. Ordered 2 bottles. Assuming the mail treats me right, I'll start in just over a week.
 
I am ready to pick up a couple more bottles if there are any deals, $50 is still alot for me. I remember not too long ago $30 was the go to price for a 30-day supplement. Please post of stores selling.
 
mase1 said:
I am ready to pick up a couple more bottles if there are any deals, $50 is still alot for me. I remember not too long ago $30 was the go to price for a 30-day supplement. Please post of stores selling.
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Pretty sure there won't be any sales of this. One its a very new product and two it simply sells too good for it to be reduced. Just save up more money
 
mase1 said:
Got to have patience. Everything goes on sale. Even get fd2 bogo now.
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You do realize folli 2.0 came out almost 2 years ago and this has been out for about 2 months. STRONG can barely keep stock and you think the smart thing to do for business is discount it????
 
In terms of Vector being discounted, use JG15 on the BLR site for 15% off the total of any order.
 
Rockzilla said:
Would kill to see a vector log only taking stuff you’d consider a staple and not add in anything else lol. Like a stim/pump product they have been taking and either Ergonine or the constitutes that lie in and a protein powder, that’s it...
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Im running it solo, actually along side Ergonine which I've been running for months.

What do you wanna know?
 
jgntyce said:
Danes protocol? Hehehe jk brother!
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No problem brother :D
Vector is not Toxic nor it would be harmful doubledosing it. So I mean people who dont feel much from 6 caps would maybe love 12 :)or people who love it at recommended dose would love it even more at 12 at day
 
Danes said:
No problem brother :D
Vector is not Toxic nor it would be harmful doubledosing it. So I mean people who dont feel much from 6 caps would maybe love 12 :)or people who love it at recommended dose would love it even more at 12 at day
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You beast. Lol
 
Ok so bloodwork got pushed out to October, and I go on Vacation in December so my next big run wont be till January. So what did I do I picked up Vector, and FD2.0 to keep me going. Is there any issues running these with Radiate?
 
LiveToLift said:
That is very impressive for a natural product. Out of curiosity were these testers dedicated lifters or were they new to supplementation and not as dedicated. Do you have any bloodwork done from anyone who has used it? If be curious to look more into this for sure. Thanks for the info sir.
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Most of the initial testers were experienced. 10 years plus.
One is a world record holding powerlifter. A few guys in the 40-50year range. Some were our reps. I tried to have some variation so we can see how it works in different kinds of trainers.
Ive seen a few labs. No indications of stress or toxicity. Interestingly those that tested hormones have shown significant elevations in testosterone.
 
DA_MOSS said:
I think i've got to see this for myself.. Looks like i'll be grabbing a few bottles.. Im a skeptic when it comes to claims like the one's made here, but i sure hope that Vector makes me a believer!
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I dont blame you. I remember when I started using supplements and I bought all the products that claimed to deliver results.
For the most part I was disappointed. I dont think I can remember one product that actually worked as described. Creatine was ok.
But this is why I made it our primary goal to make innovative products that work. This way when someone buys a BLR product they are not disappointed.
If any product is gonna make you a believer.....Vector will be the one.
 
mase1 said:
Got to have patience. Everything goes on sale. Even get fd2 bogo now.
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Where are you getting FD2 BOGO. This is false. Even follidrone doesnt really go on sale. Can barely keep it in stock at full price. Maybe Nutriverse sold off stock at discount on their way down the drain but even then it wasnt BOGO and they are no longer in business.
If your waiting for Vector to be 30$ youll be waiting forever. It costs more than 30$ wholesale.
If anything product prices are rising as, over time, would be expected. If you look there are lots of competing products that are in the 60-70$ range.
Many of which dont even compare to Vector in terms of raw anabolic power.
 
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