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VECTOR pre release leaks and info

GreenMachineX said:
So 2 more months until those labs?
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If my sudden possible strength increase turns out to be real and possibly from Vector, I will take it for 12 weeks as I originally anticipated and get labs done after (end of June).

I'm anticipating my labs just as much as everyone else likely is. For now, here's a post of my "pre-Vector" lab report: Invalid Link Removed

I continued "bulking" to about 205 until just a couple days ago when I decided to recomp, so if Vector can maintain my strength AND help shed some body fat, I'm all for it. I have tons of before pictures dating back to January/February of this year and will be taking after pictures at the end of the 2nd and 3rd tub.
 
FatAngel said:
You didn't need to as it was inferred. Not everything needs to be spelled out for people to understand what the underlying message is. Your message there was that no one can do what BLR does. That's just simply not true, and all I'm saying.
It'd be like Colgate saying, "No one can compete with our toothpaste's cleaning ability." Crest has the right to say, "Is your name Sarah Huckabee Sanders because you're the face of lies." Na mean? Just don't over-exaggerate when it's not needed.
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Youre giving a guy who reps a company grief for pumping up his company. buddy give your head a shake. your posts are very transparent. What should he say, we make decent products but others can do it better. lol
 
blongo804 said:
If my sudden possible strength increase turns out to be real and possibly from Vector, I will take it for 12 weeks as I originally anticipated and get labs done after (end of June).

I'm anticipating my labs just as much as everyone else likely is. For now, here's a post of my "pre-Vector" lab report: Invalid Link Removed

I continued "bulking" to about 205 until just a couple days ago when I decided to recomp, so if Vector can maintain my strength AND help shed some body fat, I'm all for it. I have tons of before pictures dating back to January/February of this year and will be taking after pictures at the end of the 2nd and 3rd tub.
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Very interested in this.

I will run some bloodwork next week. But I wish I had done something before taking Vector. Might do another test at the end of my run (almost two bottles in, will do another two bottles)
 
LardLungs said:
Gotcha. Most of them referenced berberine, but some also just said “GDAs” as if other GDAs weren’t necessarily excluded. Does it kind of make sense not to dose them directly post workout tho? If they have an effect of lowering blood sugar, would we want that right after a workout? Or would it be better w/ pre-workout meals and hours after your workout with food?
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We have to remember that Vector is not primarily a GDA. It has Gda effects yes but overall we want to keep blood levels of the product stable. Meaning frequent dosing. This means no matter what we do a dose will be near training. Maybe not right after but within 2hrs or so.
Either way it's going to be working as a gda Even if you don't dose post workout.
 
omega_spartan said:
Starting vector tomorrow morning for an 8 week run. Going to be stacking with viron and letrone. Going to be attempting a cut at ~300 below maintenance for the duration.

What’s the consensus on running 2 caps 3x per day over 3 caps 2x per day in a deficit?

What would be the ideal dosing times for vector, viron, and letrone? Workouts are first thing in the morning before work. I generally eat a meal ~30-45 min pre and take a shake post workout.
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Your going to really have to watch dose timing here.
This stuff causes your body to gobble up calories like nothing I've seen.
Even at maintenance it can be problematic.
My suggestion is to start the cut at maintenance. Get dosing dialed in week 1nand then progressively drop cals. 200 at a time. 200 per week with a 1 week adjustment will give you 7 weeks and a 1400cal drop.
 
LardLungs said:
So it’s my third day taking FD2 with Vector (which I’ve been on for a while). It’s my first time using FD2 so I’m not sure if that’s the reason for my body’s reaction or what... but I’ve been having some bad stomach pains and diarrhea the past two days. It’s intensified a few hours after FD2 dosing. Is this typical of a first time FD2 user? I read it may take your body some time to adjust? How long should I wait for things to change before I drop it? And is there anything I can do in the meantime besides only taking 1 or 2 pills / day?
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Dose only with food. 1 cap 3x daily with a meal.
 
mechka_grizli said:
So I'm going to say something and if it's frowned upon, then so be it. I've never run any hardcore aas or ph's. Hardest things i've run is the ANDRO's. 1 andro, 4 andro, and epi andro. Have run that triple stack 3 times and this stack of folli 2.o & vector is equal to that. Its the same feeling. Massive strength increases, leaning out, weight gain, aggression, muscle fullness, hunger increase, etc

Easily the best natural stack I have ever taken
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These posts make my day.
As you guys know I spend sometimes a year or more in development with these projects.
Sourcing the best plant materials, testing different extraction methods, different delivery methods, different ingredients etc etc etc.
By the time we launch I'm generally confident in the efficacy of our products but this one was hard to believe how well it worked. After over a year of tinkering we wound up with a product that's I think the best in class currently.
-Plant based natural Anabolic. This alone is an achievement. As you all know there are a lot of products that make this claim but how many actually deliver?
-builds muscle
-burns fat
-improves performance
Comparable or better than many of the pH and sarms currently available in terms of anabolic potential. I think I've succeeded with Vector.
I'm proud of my work.

I'm also super grateful for all of you guys. Having this community of like minded people is priceless. Being able to come here and have conversations about not just the products but also diet, training, recovery etc etc. It's invaluable. I appreciate all of you guys taking the time to post reports and reviews.

Our pride of lions is growing.
 
mbonheur said:
For those guys who are running it already like 8 weeks or more, do effects still get better?

I am adding weight to my lifts basically every workout by now. Kinda wonder where the limit is and where it will be diminishing returns, I am about 7 weeks in (a bit less). And it really started to shine from week 5 onwards.

Can you run this stuff forever or should you cycle it?
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Can use year round. I'll give you the formula for endless progress.
I have been suggesting that every week, every session, every exercise you increase.
Either weight or reps.
Obviously you can't do this endlessly. You will plateau, so, how do you continue to progress?

Exercise cycling.
Let's say your training triceps.
Your exercises should remain static. So example: your employing skull crushers, rope extensions and seated triceps extension machine.
You will continue to increase weight and rep until you cannot reasonably make progress for 2 sessions on any given exercise.

So say you plateau on skull crushers.
Note in your log book to keep your place.
Switch it out. Let's say for close grip bench. Now run this until you cannot reasonably make progress. Usually this is 8 to 12 weeks.
Switch it out again. Dips.
After 6 months or so you can go back to the skull crushers and you will be able to again begin making progress. You'll find that you have grown in strength (as long as you are progressively eating and resting well) because your body has grown in the 6 months.
I know of many guys who have gone from the 170-190 to 230 range training like this.
 
LardLungs said:
Interesting. I said before my beard weirdly feels like it hasn’t grown as quick on Vector and now that you mention it, decreased semen volume may also be happening. I know it’s not supposed to have an effect on test, but idk man. I’ve been loving Vector solely as a bodybuilding supplement. I’ve been a lot stronger and increased my lifts almost across the board. As far as outside the gym, lethargy and libido have been negatively impacted for me. It’s a trade off I choose to make tho... and I know many are getting the opposite effect of this which I’m envious of. I’m hoping the FD2 I just started helps with the lethargy.
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I don't think fd is gonna help with lethargy unless you mean you want more :)
These supps demand you consume more food than normal. We want products that work and both vector and Follidrone work very well, but, we can't treat it as though all is normal because it isn't. You have to eat more overall and progressively increase this as your weight increases because your base maintenance is going up.
And make sure to get enough carbs and don't be afraid to have some cheats and reload days. I do 1 day a week I let myself have pizza or something and I'll do chocolate or something I enjoy once a week or so.
 
FatAngel said:
"Nobody can do this" lol chill with the hyperbole bro. I'm intrigued by Vector but equally intrigued by K1ngs Slayer, and saying nobody else can do this is a slap in the face to OL and other great companies.
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Vector is exactly that. A slap in the face for our competitors.
And I agree with him. Nothing touches Vector currently. It just is what it is.
 
FatAngel said:
You didn't need to as it was inferred. Not everything needs to be spelled out for people to understand what the underlying message is. Your message there was that no one can do what BLR does. That's just simply not true, and all I'm saying.
It'd be like Colgate saying, "No one can compete with our toothpaste's cleaning ability." Crest has the right to say, "Is your name Sarah Huckabee Sanders because you're the face of lies." Na mean? Just don't over-exaggerate when it's not needed.
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I love these guys like gravyvampire and now this guy.
Gravyvampire joined the week vector launched and had 72posts total. 100%were negative posts in this thread...
And now this guy. 2 posts. Negative. In this thread. He even mentions another company which leads me to believe he's one of them.
Pretty transparent.

Keep it up and I'll ask admin to remove you as well.
 
FatAngel said:
lol no he doesn't need to say that. But like I originally said, no need to embellish to that extent. I guess I'm foolish in that I want to believe that company reps' role here is to help people out and support them when using products of their company. Not go all Trumpian and say "We have the greatest products. We get ingredients from GINA. The way other companies do it, SAD." I know he didn't say this lol but that's how it comes off when they over-hype their stuff with useless cliches such as "no other company can do this".
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I love these reps for competing brands who have nothing better to do that make fake accounts and post BS.
Joined on the 26th
100% of your posts are BS posts in this thread. Even mentioned the company you work for.
Shameless. Ive contacted admin in this regard.

If you guys notice any of these types of posts.
Less than 50 posts. All negative or argumentative. Please PM me or Admin so he can take care of it.
 
brundel said:
I love these reps for competing brands who have nothing better to do that make fake accounts and post BS.
Joined on the 26th
100% of your posts are BS posts in this thread. Even mentioned the company you work for.
Shameless. Ive contacted admin in this regard.

If you guys notice any of these types of posts.
Less than 50 posts. All negative or argumentative. Please PM me or Admin so he can take care of it.
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While you don’t outright say it, one of the posts you quote above from this guy mentioned OL. So, I’ll just go ahead and take the wind out of that sail. He does not work for OL. Please do not spread false information about OL in your company thread. If you have concerns about OL, feel free to reach out to me regarding your concerns. I have stayed out of the disputes, but this is going a bit too far.

Not a single rep or employee currently has the time to make a false account to bicker with you in this thread. Furthermore, that’s not even an effective method of advertising any product.
 
Woody said:
While you don’t outright say it, one of the posts you quote above from this guy mentioned OL. So, I’ll just go ahead and take the wind out of that sail. He does not work for OL. Please do not spread false information about OL in your company thread. If you have concerns about OL, feel free to reach out to me regarding your concerns. I have stayed out of the disputes, but this is going a bit too far.

Not a single rep or employee currently has the time to make a false account to bicker with you in this thread. Furthermore, that’s not even an effective method of advertising any product.
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Nobody mentioned OL from BLR. Odd.
Why are you here?
 
justhere4comm said:
Nobody mentioned OL from BLR. Odd.
Why are you here?
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I apologize. I thought I was clear enough, but perhaps I didn’t dumb it down enough for you. Here, maybe these screen shots will help. I’ve marked them up to help you understand.

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It sure does look like Brundel said it was pretty transparent someone was a OL rep. Odd. I’m here to correct the lies and false information about Olympus Labs in the last few posts.
 
Woody said:
I apologize. I thought I was clear enough, but perhaps I didn’t dumb it down enough for you. Here, maybe these screen shots will help. I’ve marked them up to help you understand.

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It sure does look like Brundel said it was pretty transparent someone was a OL rep. Odd. I’m here to correct the lies and false information about Olympus Labs in the last few posts.
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I don't know there broseph. OL seems to be monitoring this thread pretty tightly for some odd reason. You seemed to pop in here pretty fast. Kind of fishy if you ask me. Now you can look a my posts from the past and I like a lot of OL products. Especially epic unleashed and epilogue. But give props where it is due. Vector is an absolutely phenomenal mass builder. Ive been using it for almost 2 months and nothing natural I have used compares at the moment. So quit with th antics, it's not a good look. Peace
 
1 week in on vector 2 caps 3x is the current dose. I feel as though I’ve been getting headaches mostly around my left eye socket and temple. Might not be related maybe is. Other then that I feel pretty good overall. I’ve been doing a lot of lighter weight higher rep work so I can’t account much on anything yet seeing as though it’s only been a week. Man the hunger has been unreal I just had dinner and I’m craving all types of sweets
 
Woody said:
While you don’t outright say it, one of the posts you quote above from this guy mentioned OL. So, I’ll just go ahead and take the wind out of that sail. He does not work for OL. Please do not spread false information about OL in your company thread. If you have concerns about OL, feel free to reach out to me regarding your concerns. I have stayed out of the disputes, but this is going a bit too far.

Not a single rep or employee currently has the time to make a false account to bicker with you in this thread. Furthermore, that’s not even an effective method of advertising any product.
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Brundel never said it was an OL person, that guy did, whomever he is. Further more, you are making everyone think differently since you pooped in so quickly with your screen shots and chicken scratches. Take a midol.
 
ttortman78 said:
I don't know there broseph. OL seems to be monitoring this thread pretty tightly for some odd reason. You seemed to pop in here pretty fast. Kind of fishy if you ask me. Now you can look a my posts from the past and I like a lot of OL products. Especially epic unleashed and epilogue. But give props where it is due. Vector is an absolutely phenomenal mass builder. Ive been using it for almost 2 months and nothing natural I have used compares at the moment. So quit with th antics, it's not a good look. Peace
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Sure thing. The thread is called 'Leaks and Info' so of course all the competition is monitoring this thread. Lol. Some more than others, and some have pretty thin skin.

We put out a phenomenal product that is truly amazing, and will not be easy to copy. Le's face it, anyone who copies it won't have put the great efforts into it that BLR did. It would be a late to the party; cheap knockoff that requires you take 8 caps to get a decent dose of whatever they call it.

Cheers!
 
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with saying your product is a slap in the face to other companies. It’s what this business is all about. MAKE ME COME BACK FOR IT!

I can’t wait to hop on my vector, though I hate it when someone is comparing it to mild PHs. It’s kinda like a slap in the face to us natty fellows. You have strength and body composition gained from exogenous hormones or other drugs that you can’t gain from a natural herbal extract supplement, you sitting there telling me someone who hasn’t dabbled that it is like one. Your no better than someone like Simeon Panda or other false prophets.
 
Woody said:
While you don’t outright say it, one of the posts you quote above from this guy mentioned OL. So, I’ll just go ahead and take the wind out of that sail. He does not work for OL. Please do not spread false information about OL in your company thread. If you have concerns about OL, feel free to reach out to me regarding your concerns. I have stayed out of the disputes, but this is going a bit too far.

Not a single rep or employee currently has the time to make a false account to bicker with you in this thread. Furthermore, that’s not even an effective method of advertising any product.
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While I have purchased OL products and support them, its pretty odd that you popped in here when NO ONE @ an Olympus Labs rep. Which by default means the person was either an OL rep or you guys are checking this thread on a regular.
 
mechka_grizli said:
While I have purchased OL products and support them, its pretty odd that you popped in here when NO ONE @ an Olympus Labs rep. Which by default means the person was either an OL rep or you guys are checking this thread on a regular.
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well, thats called market research. Are you really surprised competitors check for feedback for "similar" products?
before i get attacked by anyone: i dont work for either company, i love both brands and i support both brands wirth my money..
 
I’ve been on this forum for about 4 years now so I know the companies that have been around for awhile and have stood the test of time due to putting out quality products. Although I rep for Black Lion Research, I also know that Olympus labs is committed to putting out the best products themselves. Can we all agree that BLR and OL are in the top % of companies represented here on AM? I sure think so. Let’s all get along and support each other. Innovation breeds more innovation and the consumer wins at the end of the day. Let’s all get it! Peace and Love you all!
 
mechka_grizli said:
While I have purchased OL products and support them, its pretty odd that you popped in here when NO ONE @ an Olympus Labs rep. Which by default means the person was either an OL rep or you guys are checking this thread on a regular.
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Given that you’ve supported OL in the past, you know that we value our integrity and reputation. We enjoy AM and have put a lot of effort and money into building goodwill with this community. When a competitor starts to make false allegations about OL that undermines these values, I take it seriously. I thought it prudent to quickly debunk any allegation that we are trying to sabotage our competitors. If you want to fault me for quickly taking action, that is your choice and I am sorry you feel that way.
 
Woody said:
Given that you’ve supported OL in the past, you know that we value our integrity and reputation. We enjoy AM and have put a lot of effort and money into building goodwill with this community. When a competitor starts to make false allegations about OL that undermines these values, I take it seriously. I thought it prudent to quickly debunk any allegation that we are trying to sabotage our competitors. If you want to fault me for quickly taking action, that is your choice and I am sorry you feel that way.
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I completely understand you defending your company and in fact applaud you for it. Problem though, is how did you even know something was being said about OL? No one @ anyone from OL, so the guy who was being negative was either a fake account, you guys are actively monitoring this thread, or someone alerted you that something was being said. Just seemed odd that you popped in right when the guy with 2 post in his history started to pimp OL in a BLR thread. Even if its not true, you have to understand how it looks.
 
mechka_grizli said:
I completely understand you defending your company and in fact applaud you for it. Problem though, is how did you even know something was being said about OL? No one @ anyone from OL, so the guy who was being negative was either a fake account, you guys are actively monitoring this thread, or someone alerted you that something was being said. Just seemed odd that you popped in right when the guy with 2 post in his history started to pimp OL in a BLR thread. Even if its not true, you have to understand how it looks.
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Its not all that hard to believe that he was scrolling on here and saw one of the comments and decided to check it out. Even if he has been watching the thread its not like hes breaking any rules to watch the thread is it? I just dont really think Woody would be making fake accounts and coming in here to hype OL. I think this is all being blown out of proportion. But hey what do i know?
 
rgenestr said:
1 week in on vector 2 caps 3x is the current dose. I feel as though I’ve been getting headaches mostly around my left eye socket and temple. Might not be related maybe is. Other then that I feel pretty good overall. I’ve been doing a lot of lighter weight higher rep work so I can’t account much on anything yet seeing as though it’s only been a week. Man the hunger has been unreal I just had dinner and I’m craving all types of sweets
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Hypoglycemia can cause headaches as can dehydration.
Try upping overall cals and increase carbs around training. In addition make sure to get at least 1 gal water per day. I do 1.5 current.
The added carbs will keep the muscles full and help keep blood glucose more stable.
 
resrch3d said:
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Order just came in, can't wait to get this started.
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That looks like a great stack.
Nootrol gives me a serious boost. Like I always feel well rested. I do cycles 1 month on 1 month off and I miss it when Im off.
 
ELROCK said:
It kicked up the hunger on day 2 or 3 for me too! Some I see mentioned it took a little longer.
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It really makes me hungry as well but I think for me this is a benefit.
I also think this is helping guys grow because they want to eat more. Ive just had to watch what im eating and increase cardio.....
 
Rockzilla said:
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with saying your product is a slap in the face to other companies. It’s what this business is all about. MAKE ME COME BACK FOR IT!

I can’t wait to hop on my vector, though I hate it when someone is comparing it to mild PHs. It’s kinda like a slap in the face to us natty fellows. You have strength and body composition gained from exogenous hormones or other drugs that you can’t gain from a natural herbal extract supplement, you sitting there telling me someone who hasn’t dabbled that it is like one. Your no better than someone like Simeon Panda or other false prophets.
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If its false then I would agree but the truth is Vector is as effective or more in some cases than more than a few PH I know of.
It also doesnt carry the suppression, liver strain, cardiac strain and other health issues PH/DS have.
I think be happy we have stuff that isnt an anabolic steroid that works so well. Give it a shot I think youll be surprised, especially if your natty because this is better than any natty product has ever been.
Currently I have 3 friends who are former aas users that are only running BLR stacks. No steroids. And they are making gains.
For example this guy. Former steroid user who has been clean for years. I think hes in pretty good shape. Nothing but BLR.
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mechka_grizli said:
I completely understand you defending your company and in fact applaud you for it. Problem though, is how did you even know something was being said about OL? No one @ anyone from OL, so the guy who was being negative was either a fake account, you guys are actively monitoring this thread, or someone alerted you that something was being said. Just seemed odd that you popped in right when the guy with 2 post in his history started to pimp OL in a BLR thread. Even if its not true, you have to understand how it looks.
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I am completely neutral here but you are more attacking and leaving out the option that possibly someone sent Woody a PM about it. Is it really that crazy for a rep to look at other threads?

Personally I feel like there is way too much effort being wasted on this fighting. I think BLR and OL are both highly respected companies.

Can’t we all just get along?!
 
brundel said:
If its false then I would agree but the truth is Vector is as effective or more in some cases than more than a few PH I know of.
It also doesnt carry the suppression, liver strain, cardiac strain and other health issues PH/DS have.
I think be happy we have stuff that isnt an anabolic steroid that works so well. Give it a shot I think youll be surprised, especially if your natty because this is better than any natty product has ever been.
Currently I have 3 friends who are former aas users that are only running BLR stacks. No steroids. And they are making gains.
For example this guy. Former steroid user who has been clean for years. I think hes in pretty good shape. Nothing but BLR.
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I’ll preface this comment by saying that I do think Vector is a solid product, and the feedback supports this, but I thought I should point out that even long after cessation of steroid use, beneficial changes in muscle fibers of steroid users persist, including an increased number of myonuclei per fiber as well as an increase in muscle fiber size. My point being that someone who has used steroids in the past still has a higher “ceiling” or potential than someone who has been natural their entire life, and isn’t exactly the best example of what is attainable using natural products. Anyway, good stuff, I’ll see myself out, just thought I’d point that out.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I’ll preface this comment by saying that I do think Vector is a solid product, and the feedback supports this, but I thought I should point out that even long after cessation of steroid use, beneficial changes in muscle fibers of steroid users persist, including an increased number of myonuclei per fiber as well as an increase in muscle fiber size. My point being that someone who has used steroids in the past still has a higher “ceiling” or potential than someone who has been natural their entire life, and isn’t exactly the best example of what is attainable using natural products. Anyway, good stuff, I’ll see myself out, just thought I’d point that out.
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I have been Natty my whole life. Advantages are that I don't lose my gains, or have to deal with side effects. Disadvantage is most of my buddies leave me behind when it comes to gains.

All I know is Vector did more for me in 8 weeks than any other supplement I have taken.
Note: When I was in my 20's the natural gains came pretty easy. for the last 25 years they come very slow and I mostly only maintain. It's a lifestyle for me.
 
Studhorse said:
I have been Natty my whole life. Advantages are that I don't lose my gains, or have to deal with side effects. Disadvantage is most of my buddies live me behind when it come to gains.

All I know is Vector did more for me in 8 weeks than any other supplement I have taken.
Note: When I was in my 20's the natural gains came pretty easy. for the last 25 years they come very slow and I mostly only maintain. It's a lifestyle for me.
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Yeah, if you're a lifetime natural, then your experience would be more indicative of what to expect IMO. I don't want to turn this into an analysis of natural vs assisted, only to point out that a "former AAS user" is in no way the same thing as a "lifetime natural," even if the former hasn't used anything in years. Showing a picture of someone who used to use steroids when talking about what a natural product can do is sort of sill IMO; your experience is much more useful IMO, so props to your for logging it.

Again, I'm not bashing the product at all, only clarifying something that is somewhat misleading.
 
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