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VECTOR pre release leaks and info

jt75 said:
At least I know that vector can absolutely be utilised on a cut
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This may not be the case with everyone, especially if stacked with FD2. If I’m not eating a big surplus of calories and carbs I feel like crap on Vector. I feel bad (no energy, bad mood) even on maintenance calories.

I don’t experience magical fat loss that some guys here seemingly get. Even with FD2 added, a surplus of about 500-800 daily cals for myself still results in some fat gain. Definitely less fat for sure though, so that’s great.
 
travbedaman said:
This may not be the case with everyone, especially if stacked with FD2. If I’m not eating a big surplus of calories and carbs I feel like crap on Vector. I feel bad (no energy, bad mood) even on maintenance calories.

I don’t experience magical fat loss that some guys here seemingly get. Even with FD2 added, a surplus of about 500-800 daily cals for myself still results in some fat gain. Definitely less fat for sure though, so that’s great.
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I feel like crap also, bad mood, little motivation to work out, crabby at home, others are saying they feel great, not getting that yet
 
jt75 said:
I feel like crap also, bad mood, little motivation to work out, crabby at home, others are saying they feel great, not getting that yet
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It’s possibly low blood sugar, some days (especially breakfast) I’ll eat first and then take vector and FD2 afterwards, otherwise my day can start off on the wrong foot.

The only time I feel a better mood or the increased sense of well being is if I did a little bit of cardio after my workout and the rest of the evening is pretty good, so it seems to enhance the endorphin aspect of cardiovascular activities somehow perhaps.
 
GravyVampire said:
Glad I’m not the only one who isn’t feeling these supposed well-being effects. I tried to be optimistic in my write-ups and state that there’s no sense of well-being improvement. However, I certainly do have moments of a diminished sense of well-being (much more likely to be irritable and have a short fuse). I’m in a caloric surplus and have been getting stronger, so it’s worth it for now. When I cut, there’s no way in hell I’ll be able to take it.
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Yeah I’ve even tried to take one cap of vector and half a cap of FD2 per meal on lower calories and it still is not good, this stack requires a super high amount of calories for myself to be worth it.
 
Been on vector for 3 days and have horrible gas and blotting. Only thing that changed was starting vector. Any suggestions
 
I think the mood enhancement benefits could vary from person to person. Vector definately as a positive effect on my mood. During normal activity it's just slight, but during and after workouts it's intense focus and just feel great. I do eat a lot of Protien and Carbs, especially waxy maize before workouts. The intensity helps with increased strength and endurance. Sometimes we have to fine tune a supplement for us.
A lot depends on so many chemicals in the brain, as well as other factors. An example is my wife loves L-Tyrosine and makes her feel great, but I don't feel anything from L-Tyrosine.
Vector has been a great supplement for me, but like I said sometimes we have to fine tune our complete program.
 
jt75 said:
Finished up my first tub of Vector today and weighed myself in work. Down 5 pounds, trying to put on mass and I've lost weight, most of this is from my midsection which is great but I've been eating myself into a coma on a high protein diet and wanted to gain weight, anyone got any suggestions? This is also the case when I use fd2.
Should I eat more calorie dense foods, full fat milk, peanut butter, nuts etc?
Feels like I'm back to square one again ️
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the reality is if youre not gaining mass your not eating enough.. and yes I suggest all of those things as well as some cheat meals if needed.. whats your calorie intake looking like atm?
 
paco23 said:
Been on vector for 3 days and have horrible gas and blotting. Only thing that changed was starting vector. Any suggestions
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there are some options.. are you taking a lot of water?? it will help keep things moving. also most users appear to lose this side effect about a week in. try some beano from the store. or gas-x
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
the reality is if youre not gaining mass your not eating enough.. and yes I suggest all of those things as well as some cheat meals if needed.. whats your calorie intake looking like atm?
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Totally agree!!! Even when you think you're eating enough. If your training for mass, and still loosing weight, eat more healthy calories. And as said earlier, if you are a hard gainer add more nuts and peanut butter.
 
Started Vector + Massmax XT yesterday evening. Since I'm following IF, I took morning doses fasted before cardio (30min walk with dogs). Been feeling slightly hypo so I think that from now on I'll dose during my feed window until I start my 3-week minibulk (and ditch the IF for a while) sunday next week.
 
So I am now 5 weeks in and weighted myself this morning. 89kg

I went up from 85kg to 89kg, which is crazy. My waist line is still the same (77cm and my height is 1m80) and my mesures using fat calipers remained also more or less the same. I see my abs at this weight, which is pretty crazy for me.
My strength stalled a little bit this week.

I did not up my calories significantly during those 5 weeks. I never went hypo and never had significant increases in hunger.

I have to say that I am really impressed with with the weight gain and I am very suspicious about these kind of things. Likewise, after 2 weeks I did not expect any results like this. Now I really hope that there are only the extracts in it which are on the label.

Actually I am now even wondering whether I also a order a third bottle.

The weight gain is pretty crazy, especially as the visual difference is not that significant in my opinion.
 
Been taking Vector for a week now, 3 caps pre workout and 3 later on day. Dont feel any side effects at all.. nothing to report yet.. i keep taking, wish i lose some stuborn belly fat! Lets see whet happens
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
the reality is if youre not gaining mass your not eating enough.. and yes I suggest all of those things as well as some cheat meals if needed.. whats your calorie intake looking like atm?
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I'm eating around 3000 calories but not tracking macros right now because of a busy lifestyle, think I need to eat more.... Lots more
 
start with adding another 500 calories until you see the scale move the direction you want. if your losing body fat, not loosing weight, then you are simultaneously adding body mass. (recomping)
 
it is true that in a few days I ate "less", it is also true that I am using other supplements (see Letrone, follidrone2 and Invictus), but the physique already I see it more dry ... still eating a lot!
Now ... you suggest however to eat "even more", but the fact is that I would like to get to "clean" the abdomen, and then go back with carbohydrates.
I am torn :D
However one thing is certain, I raise the volume of the workouts, more volume and more density ;)
 
paco23 said:
Been on vector for 3 days and have horrible gas and blotting. Only thing that changed was starting vector. Any suggestions
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Sounds like your bowel needs some help processing food. Vector needs a ton of water - especially it seems in the first 2-3 weeks.
 
Studhorse said:
I have heard that before! lmao.
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Before Vector, I've heard that, and I work in a room that's 6' x 25' and a closed environment like an airplane, but humidity and temperature controlled. You literally have to leave the room or if you don't make it good then make your exit...

I knew a guy who would put his butt against the wall and fart... loud and with a lot of vibrato. Sicko.
 
would anything in vector cause headaches? been monitoring my bp for the last two days and have had some pretty wicked headaches but bp checks out. water and food intake is also good
 
jt75 said:
Finished up my first tub of Vector today and weighed myself in work. Down 5 pounds, trying to put on mass and I've lost weight, most of this is from my midsection which is great but I've been eating myself into a coma on a high protein diet and wanted to gain weight, anyone got any suggestions? This is also the case when I use fd2.
Should I eat more calorie dense foods, full fat milk, peanut butter, nuts etc?
Feels like I'm back to square one again ️
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The answer to this is always more food.
When growing I aim for 6 meals. And progressive food increase.

Look at it like this.... Say you gain 2lbs muscle.... You weighed 100 and now 102. You have to eat at least 102 maintenance to stay 102 and more to gain. So if you keep eating for 100 lbs and you take an anabolic you will likely lose weight.
 
jt75 said:
I feel like crap also, bad mood, little motivation to work out, crabby at home, others are saying they feel great, not getting that yet
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So especially as a hard gainer. I promise you every guy who has ever told me they can't grow wasn't eating enough. Increase food intake by 25%. And not always clean. Your not cutting.
Have some pizza once in a while. Chocolate. Nuts etc.
Eat eat eat.
 
mbonheur said:
So I am now 5 weeks in and weighted myself this morning. 89kg

I went up from 85kg to 89kg, which is crazy. My waist line is still the same (77cm and my height is 1m80) and my mesures using fat calipers remained also more or less the same. I see my abs at this weight, which is pretty crazy for me.
My strength stalled a little bit this week.

I did not up my calories significantly during those 5 weeks. I never went hypo and never had significant increases in hunger.

I have to say that I am really impressed with with the weight gain and I am very suspicious about these kind of things. Likewise, after 2 weeks I did not expect any results like this. Now I really hope that there are only the extracts in it which are on the label.

Actually I am now even wondering whether I also a order a third bottle.

The weight gain is pretty crazy, especially as the visual difference is not that significant in my opinion.
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We would NEVER spike our products. Ever.
I own the company.
I source the raws myself and oversee everything.
I've also done all the R&D myself so I know how and why it works so well.
I will state again that I don't think there is anything available today (natural) that is Vectors equal. Not hype or marketing. Just is what it is. I'm proud of that.

And If I'm gonna be accused of something I want it to be my products work so good people can't believe it's not spiked with drugs
 
bb333 said:
it is true that in a few days I ate "less", it is also true that I am using other supplements (see Letrone, follidrone2 and Invictus), but the physique already I see it more dry ... still eating a lot!
Now ... you suggest however to eat "even more", but the fact is that I would like to get to "clean" the abdomen, and then go back with carbohydrates.
I am torn :D
However one thing is certain, I raise the volume of the workouts, more volume and more density ;)
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If you can't decide, eat more but mostly fat, protein and veggies. Tons.
 
rowz4broz said:
would anything in vector cause headaches? been monitoring my bp for the last two days and have had some pretty wicked headaches but bp checks out. water and food intake is also good
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Hypo. Get some Gatorade ornsome chocolate and eat when you feel headache
 
brundel said:
Hypo. Get some Gatorade ornsome chocolate and eat when you feel headache
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that is crazy to me as i am dosing it in the morning with breakfast which is usually a bowl of cereal paired with a proteinshakel and my lunch is usually around 60-80gs carbs which is when i take second dose

will try this tomorrow though
 
rowz4broz said:
First couple days on vector my farts smelled like death lol
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My fiancé and roommate were telling me that it smelled like something died in my ass. They opened all the windows and sprayed febreze every time. I would just sit back and laugh while waiting to realease the next one!
 
brundel said:
We would NEVER spike our products. Ever.
I own the company.
I source the raws myself and oversee everything.
I've also done all the R&D myself so I know how and why it works so well.
I will state again that I don't think there is anything available today (natural) that is Vectors equal. Not hype or marketing. Just is what it is. I'm proud of that.

And If I'm gonna be accused of something I want it to be my products work so good people can't believe it's not spiked with drugs
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Real talk right here! If the products didn’t work, then Black Lion Research wouldn’t be in business, especially with all the new BLR products that had came out!
 
rowz4broz said:
would anything in vector cause headaches? been monitoring my bp for the last two days and have had some pretty wicked headaches but bp checks out. water and food intake is also good
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I do when I don't eat enough breakfast. sometimes I get in a hurry and chug 50 grams of whey protein and head to work. I noticed I would get mild headaches in the morning at work. I would start digging into my almond stash at the office and was better in about 30 min. I was taking 1 advil before I tried just eating a snack. Funny thing is I don't always get a headache when I don't eat enough in the morning. I took them on an empty stomach, caught a flight and didn't eat for 4hrs and I was fine. Note: I have not tried taking 3 at a time. I have always done the 2/2/2 thing.
 
rowz4broz said:
that is crazy to me as i am dosing it in the morning with breakfast which is usually a bowl of cereal paired with a proteinshakel and my lunch is usually around 60-80gs carbs which is when i take second dose

will try this tomorrow though
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What do you estimate your overall daily calories are?
Vector changes the way your body uses these calories. It drives protein synthesis but also glucose uptake. So this means you really need to eat more than normal. So before Vector did you eat the same breakfast as your eating with Vector?
If so, thats the problem. Increase the volume of food overall.

I would also suggest getting in some slow burning foods to keep levels stable. I dont know what the rest of the diet looks like but cereal and a protein shake will spike and drop quickly leaving you vulnerable to hypoglycemia.
 
So vector is officially the GOAT

Here’s my blood work from Tuesday. I had not gotten checked since January. Which shows total test was 554.

I’ve been on vector apx 2 weeks and you can see my T is now at 993. I’ve been absolutely killing my workouts and my bedroom game. And the mirror is speaking for itself with regards to muscle fullness and vascularity. Fcking GOAT. I knew I felt GREAT, but these results are something special.



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bigsmall said:
brundel - You hit it out of the park with Vector. Which is supposed the lighter of the two anabolics you have slated for us. Tell us a bit about the next one.
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It looks like next will be the pre workout supplement.
We hit some snags with anabolic 2. 1 of the ingredients doesnt seem to work well in the real world so I canned it and the other caused unwanted side effects at viable doses. So while I will continue forward other projects will come to the forefront.
The pre has been in development for years. Its time for it to come into the light.
Will be featuring an anabolic vasodilator, A mild opiate like stimulant and a number of VERY interesting ingredients.
 
brundel said:
It looks like next will be the pre workout supplement.
We hit some snags with anabolic 2. 1 of the ingredients doesnt seem to work well in the real world so I canned it and the other caused unwanted side effects at viable doses. So while I will continue forward other projects will come to the forefront.
The pre has been in development for years. Its time for it to come into the light.
Will be featuring an anabolic vasodilator, A mild opiate like stimulant and a number of VERY interesting ingredients.
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You have any sort of timeframe on the pre? I need to restock soon, and would rather go with another BLR product.
 
chedapalooza said:
So vector is officially the GOAT

Here’s my blood work from Tuesday. I had not gotten checked since January. Which shows total test was 554.

I’ve been on vector apx 2 weeks and you can see my T is now at 993. I’ve been absolutely killing my workouts and my bedroom game. And the mirror is speaking for itself with regards to muscle fullness and vascularity. Fcking GOAT. I knew I felt GREAT, but these results are something special.
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Holy *(&^*&!
Thats nearly a 100% increase in test.
This is the second labs Ive seen with test increase like this.
I didnt want to promote this until I had seen more evidence. Now Ill say it. Vector raises test levels.
I also want to mention that to see a nearly 100% rise is more than I have seen from any test booster. I can show you labs from a major brand marketing their test booster and there was a 57 point rise in the total test. This is 10x more than that.

If Vector didnt look like the king of the hill before......Itll be hard to deny now.
 
chedapalooza said:
So vector is officially the GOAT

Here’s my blood work from Tuesday. I had not gotten checked since January. Which shows total test was 554.

I’ve been on vector apx 2 weeks and you can see my T is now at 993. I’ve been absolutely killing my workouts and my bedroom game. And the mirror is speaking for itself with regards to muscle fullness and vascularity. Fcking GOAT. I knew I felt GREAT, but these results are something special.


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That is really impressive. I knew I had been feeling great on Vector and FD2 ( Pumps, Strength, Lean Mass, Energy ), but this blood work shows it may be doing more than I thought.
 
gphagan1 said:
That is really impressive. I knew I had been feeling great on Vector and FD2 ( Pumps, Strength, Lean Mass, Energy ), but this blood work shows it may be doing more than I thought.
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THis is way more than I had expected though. I was hinting that there might be some modest increase just because I wasnt certain and I didnt want to lie to people about efficacy. This proves my theory. I dont think Ive ever seen a test booster than can raise test levels 100% in someone with a normal test level. Even the best of them. Pretty amazing.
 
chedapalooza said:
So vector is officially the GOAT

Here’s my blood work from Tuesday. I had not gotten checked since January. Which shows total test was 554.

I’ve been on vector apx 2 weeks and you can see my T is now at 993. I’ve been absolutely killing my workouts and my bedroom game. And the mirror is speaking for itself with regards to muscle fullness and vascularity. Fcking GOAT. I knew I felt GREAT, but these results are something special.



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What's everything your taking at this moment.
 
chedapalooza said:
So vector is officially the GOAT

Here’s my blood work from Tuesday. I had not gotten checked since January. Which shows total test was 554.

I’ve been on vector apx 2 weeks and you can see my T is now at 993. I’ve been absolutely killing my workouts and my bedroom game. And the mirror is speaking for itself with regards to muscle fullness and vascularity. Fcking GOAT. I knew I felt GREAT, but these results are something special.



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Holy. ****.
 
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