pureburl
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Aromasin will be from a more trusted source this time so we'll see. I might wait a little before starting the asin and caber
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Simple Bulk Cycle
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Aromasin will be from a more trusted source this time so we'll see. I might wait a little before starting the asin and caber
Chados
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I am not 100% sure but I don't think you can completly crash your estrogen with aromasin. You can make it go low but arimidex will literally kill it. Don't quote me on this. Aromasin is just an overall better product in my opinion.
adammorrow36
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Oh you can definantly crash estro w aromasin ive done it a few times it sucks. And i have always run .25 caber on every pin day on my deca tren cycle i ran for 22 weeks never had a problem and great sex drive and i was runnin 750 on the deca.
Chados
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Yeah you're correct it's just harder to crash with aromasin and also I believe harder to recover if you manage to crash it
adammorrow36
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Man idk i personaly think its the strongest ai and it wad just one 12.5 dose of from being right for me to being to much where my joints hurt
FRITZFURY
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In my experienced opinion you should dose an AI as little as needed. You should never dose enough to crash your estro because it's bad but then it becomes a guessing game of fearing estro rebound and crashing it again. I like to have a mild OTC AI [that is cheap] and take a tab a day to keep from large swings then the day after I pin I will take 12.5 Asin but if I feel like my estro is still not creeping up then I'll wait till next pin [3 days]
Also unless your very gyno prone it is better for gains to have slightly elevated E2 so besides the side effects of low estro like lethargy, joints ect your not giving your body a good balance of hormones for muscle repair.
adammorrow36
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Oh yes i feel the same but im explaining from my first time using asin so it was a learnig game
Chados
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Nah it's not stronger than arimidex per mg but it's an overall more pleasant compound.
adammorrow36
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Ya per mg but asin i ever get gones in 25 or 12.5 mg and i gota cut it so heting it right is always a trick. But i hear ya
Bintherduntht
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Because it's expensive as fuk! And hard to find, so I've heard.
The thing with ancillaries is you shouldn't use them unless needed...
You wouldn't use a bandaid if there was no cut!
Bintherduntht
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Use ancillaries "as needed"
Bintherduntht
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I love to keep shet simple in life...
It just makes things more, simple!
I've dealt with big ol tits since a little boy. Yes it's funny, but not if your the one with them.
VERY estro sensitive/ gyno prone.
Had them from a boy until I did my first cycle of test (go figure) the test seemed to even everything out. I finally felt something I had been missing. Some boys just lack test. Plain and simple.
Never in the 7 years, hundreds of test shots, wet compounds like dbol m1t, etc have I used an AI.
Whenever gyno flared up, I used just a small dose of nolvadex, and the gyno disappeared.
I had lumps under my nips as a boy too.
Only use ancillaries as needed
pureburl
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I agree to a point. I don't think you should wait until you have milky boobs before you start lol. Personally, I would rather prevent side effects as much as possible. It makes it easier to have a starting time for ancillaries if you are getting regular blood work, but for the people that aren't doing that then why not run ancillaries at a low dose from the beginning? Aromasin for example has benefits of using it even if you aren't experiencing high estro symptoms. Whatever works best for you though, obviously you know your body and what works best
Bintherduntht
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I have NEVER NEEDED A DANG AI!
Too each their own?
I mean I've run dbol @50mg for 8 weeks, with 500mg test and even more...
Nolvadex was all I needed. That's me!
But with the deca I use caber for prolactin
Too each their own?
I mean I've run dbol @50mg for 8 weeks, with 500mg test and even more...
Nolvadex was all I needed. That's me!
But with the deca I use caber for prolactin
pureburl
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Lol bro you don't gotta get worked up. I'm giving my opinion and plainly stated that I'm not saying you're wrong. Some people don't need them. I for one do and would recommend that someone use an AI from the beginning if they dont have experience in aas use
Bintherduntht
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I'm not getting worked up! Lol I guess it's how I worded that made me seem so.
It's just confusing to me why other guys need AIs when I don't.
Weird right?
Bintherduntht
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Oh and dude I wouldn't run the caber from the beginning.
Main reason is you should feel the deca and hoe it's working before adding anything.
If you feel it's sides first, then add caber which works immediately, wouldn't that better help you understand why you needed to use it?
pureburl
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Yeah, I wish I didn't need one, but apparently I've pretty sensitive just off 500mg of test
pureburl
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I agree. I think you'd probably experience "deca d***" before having lactation issues, don't you? And that would be a good indication to go ahead and start your caber
Bintherduntht
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My dik has always worked on deca. Because I have test and nolva there.
When I was 20 this guy I knew decided to run deca only because it was "the safe steroid" I tried to tell him...
But he was just happy to be all puffy!
Until his GF left
Bintherduntht
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I think guys nowadays over do it with the ancillaries.
How about try these compounds first?
One at a time. Always with test. That's how I learned.
Cruising on test then I would try deca for the first time to feel it out. No caber no AI.
Then, after time off, test and Tren. And so on.
Nowadays I know how these compounds affect me, and I know which ancillary to take. Now I can stack and etc.
Bintherduntht
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The only time I have ever experienced lactation, was from oral tren. No gains just yellow pus shet from the nips. Never again.
pureburl
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Some people think deca dik is from not having your test high enough and if you aren't using test at all then I think that could be the case, but in most cases I believe it is the result of having high prolactin
Bintherduntht
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It's probably from prolactin.
But like I said, I would run deca and my dik would be fine.
But, that was with high test and nolvadex
pureburl
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You ran nolva at the same time as the deca?
Bintherduntht
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Yessir
pureburl
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I've always heard you're not supposed to with nandrolones. The study was done with women though I believe where nolva up regulated their prolactin
Chados
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Nah you don't need it if you have nolva but then you ask yourself Is it better than to run aromasin?. I think gyno is very hard to get for the average person. We can get lumps yes but for it to develop further it's quite hard, on top of that it's really easy to remove with nolva. Besides the bigger picture, let's think about the smaller, acne, bloat etc.. is that something we care about?. Personally I prefer running an ai low to prevent estrogen from being too high rather than to prevent estrogen from binding to the receptors.
Chados
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Yes it's been a long time rumour. It seems like it actually does the opposite. If you want to make sure just run an ai during cycle and nolva after the esters has cleared during pct.
pureburl
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Exactly, aromasin is a far better choice on cycle in most cases. I don't see a single situation where you shouldn't use it even if it's in conjunction with nolva. I just don't get why you wouldn't run an AI. Just because you aren't getting gyno doesn't mean you don't have high estro and high estro isn't a good thing. You don't have to crash it to control it.
Chados
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I also find estro being more bloat and acne than muscles. People think that with high estro I add much more weight (which you'll lose) and that it's gonna give me more muscles. If you crash it yeah you'll have a bad time in the gym but controlling it is not gonna hinder your gains. Why add unwanted weight?
pureburl
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That's how I feel. Why people want to bloat is beyond me. And why get all the other health risks of high estro if you don't have to just because you "feel fine". I'll never recommend not using an ai
Chados
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Yeah aromasin is even good to add during pct (with nolva). I always feel fine but I also wanna make sure my inside will be good. Its like drinking alcohol, You feel fine and maybe better than sober, but your liver doesn't.
pureburl
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Exactly bro. And I use asin in my pct too. Again, why would you want your estrogen (a suppressive hormone to test) high when your trying to recover. Even if it's not binding because of the nolva, it's still there.
Chados
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Yeah exactly to me it's just a risk not worth taking or adding maybe I should say.
Bintherduntht
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Dang you guys sure love your AIs!
As for bloat, puffy nips, high estro etc.
Nolva was all I needed.
When I run high test with wet compounds, I use primo or anavar which helps control estro.
I'm the guy that likes the fullness estrogen gives my muscles
You want water retention on cycle, it will make you lift more, building more muscle.
Then you use dry compounds to dice up
As for bloat, puffy nips, high estro etc.
Nolva was all I needed.
When I run high test with wet compounds, I use primo or anavar which helps control estro.
I'm the guy that likes the fullness estrogen gives my muscles
You want water retention on cycle, it will make you lift more, building more muscle.
Then you use dry compounds to dice up
pureburl
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Nolva doesn't lower estrogen. Just manipulates receptor sites
Bintherduntht
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Still never needed an AI
Newth
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You reminded me of my doctor 20 years ago, lol.
pureburl
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Just because you feel okay now doesn't mean you don't need one lol. Just because you feel okay doing an oral for 6 months doesn't mean you should
Bintherduntht
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Lol why?
Bintherduntht
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I know I see your point.
But I've been juicing pretty much nonstop for 7 years, last time bloods were done was december 17... Everything came back normal!
Bintherduntht
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Maybe some guys tolerate estro better? Their bodies cope with it better?
There are AAS that help lower estro like Primo which I take frequently
Bintherduntht
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So rethinking this cycle.
What would be better,
Sus 500mg
Deca 400mg
And adrol/dbol kickstart.
Or,
Sus 500mg
Tren E 200mg
And adrol/dbol kickstart?
What would be better,
Sus 500mg
Deca 400mg
And adrol/dbol kickstart.
Or,
Sus 500mg
Tren E 200mg
And adrol/dbol kickstart?
Bintherduntht
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Sorry must have not seen this. All orals I take, except Anavar, are 30 min pre workout.
I mean, that's when they matter the most! That's when you need them!
So if I'm on dbol, I will take my entire dose 30min preworkout, which is usually 50mg. Keep in mind my body is no stranger to dbol hence the dosage.
Adrol is the same. Entire days dosage 30min preworkout, 50mg.
I blow the fuk up. I workout around 6pm. I can feel the 50mg adrol/dbol still working the next day.
I pulse both
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Newth
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Test, deca and nolva(as per thread title, basic bulk cycle), if I wanted to run anything other than that he wanted a bloody good reason why.
He was an older guy then and had been around the ropes a few times, as far as he was concerned if you want size then that is it, maybe dbol for 2 weeks at the start to blow up water fast. He know how to build nandralone bodies (Arnie's days) really well.
He had ways with nolva that I still rarely see.
His basics were 350-500 test, 300-600 deca and nolva as needed. It took a good reason to introduce anything else.
The reason he liked wet bulks(good diet,not full dirty bulk) so much were after 3 months your body will get used to the added water weight then when you drop the water during pct you have the blood support systems to feed the new muscle and help keep the gains easier.
Unless your fat then drop weight first as you already can supply the weight.
This was his reasoning.
I know things have changed since then but this was as solid as it got then.
Bintherduntht
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Nice. Sometimes it's better to stick with the basics, the tried and true!
Sure, there are other ways I can achieve this exact bulking goal.
But I know for a fact test deca dbol will work.
You want that bloat, that water, that glycogen, because it will give you a surge in strength temporarily, where you try your hardest to gain as much as you can.
So when the cycle is over, and the water is gone, your on a nice cruise, eating maintenance calories, and keeping hopefully 70-80% of your gains!
That's why I'm not afraid of that added estro/bloat on cycle.
Newth
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Your lean, Im fat.....same thing except I need to do one step more.
His other main things were arimidex and LH.
This was getting bigger, leaner was different.
You said you like simple, thats simple.
Bintherduntht
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Then while you have weight, focus on using that weight to get bigger/stronger yea? Because either way you will lose the bf if you stay in the gym.
Focus on lean bulking for you?