Strong Supplements Locker Room Talk

SteaknTaters said:
How is this product both a cutter and bulker? Androgenic and anabolic? Just a bit confused.
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It’s not androgenic, it just supports natural test levels. Most natty anabolics can be used during a bulk or cut. Such results will ultimately just depend upon your diet, training, and overall goals at the time.
 
Ricky10 said:
It’s not androgenic, it just supports natural test levels. Most natty anabolics can be used during a bulk or cut. Such results will ultimately just depend upon your diet, training, and overall goals at the time.
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Still a bit unclear to me. So when you are bulking the fat burning effects stop and when you are cutting the bulking effects stop?

In general, everyone in fitness is trying to either get bigger or lose weight but I haven't really come across a supp that supports both goals. Claiming that it can do a bit of everything is very strange to me without it being a steroid or ph so it has made me skeptical.

I am more than likely going to give the product a shot a just don't want to get lost in the hype. So many guys here love this brand and product that it's hard to decipher how good it actually is.

Sorry if I am coming off a bit thick-headed, I am just looking for clarity because I have bought a lot of over-hyped crap in the past so I now need to be skeptical.
 
SteaknTaters said:
Still a bit unclear to me. So when you are bulking the fat burning effects stop and when you are cutting the bulking effects stop?

In general, everyone in fitness is trying to either get bigger or lose weight but I haven't really come across a supp that supports both goals. Claiming that it can do a bit of everything is very strange to me without it being a steroid or ph so it has made me skeptical.

I am more than likely going to give the product a shot a just don't want to get lost in the hype. So many guys here love this brand and product that it's hard to decipher how good it actually is.

Sorry if I am coming off a bit thick-headed, I am just looking for clarity because I have bought a lot of over-hyped crap in the past so I now need to be skeptical.
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I agree 100%
 
SteaknTaters said:
Still a bit unclear to me. So when you are bulking the fat burning effects stop and when you are cutting the bulking effects stop?

In general, everyone in fitness is trying to either get bigger or lose weight but I haven't really come across a supp that supports both goals. Claiming that it can do a bit of everything is very strange to me without it being a steroid or ph so it has made me skeptical.

I am more than likely going to give the product a shot a just don't want to get lost in the hype. So many guys here love this brand and product that it's hard to decipher how good it actually is.

Sorry if I am coming off a bit thick-headed, I am just looking for clarity because I have bought a lot of over-hyped crap in the past so I now need to be skeptical.
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Let me try to explain as a tester for VECTOR:

When I went 300-500 cals over maintenance I packed on the size with hardly any fat gain. (I would call this a recomp)
When I went about 100 cals under (I tried for more but VECTOR makes me crave fuel) even with only 9 days under I dropped weight.

If you wanted to bulk on Vector it would be easy. Just like your name, [Balot[/B] of SteaknTaters!

I don't think I have the will power to truly stick with a cut on VECTOR. your body craves nurishment!

Note: like with any supplement you still need to have your Diet and Workouts in check!

All I can say is I need some more! Being Natty this is one of if not the best natty supp I have ever taken.
 
Studhorse said:
Let me try to explain as a tester for VECTOR:

When I went 300-500 cals over maintenance I packed on the size with hardly any fat gain. (I would call this a recomp)
When I went about 100 cals under (I tried for more but VECTOR makes me crave fuel) even with only 9 days under I dropped weight.

If you wanted to bulk on Vector it would be easy. Just like your name, [Balot[/B] of SteaknTaters!

I don't think I have the will power to truly stick with a cut on VECTOR. your body craves nurishment!

Note: like with any supplement you still need to have your Diet and Workouts in check!

All I can say is I need some more! Being Natty this is one of if not the best natty supp I have ever taken.
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Curious to hear what brundel has to say about this.

You mind linking your log?
 
Studhorse said:
Let me try to explain as a tester for VECTOR:

When I went 300-500 cals over maintenance I packed on the size with hardly any fat gain. (I would call this a recomp)
When I went about 100 cals under (I tried for more but VECTOR makes me crave fuel) even with only 9 days under I dropped weight.

If you wanted to bulk on Vector it would be easy. Just like your name, [Balot[/B] of SteaknTaters!

I don't think I have the will power to truly stick with a cut on VECTOR. your body craves nurishment!

Note: like with any supplement you still need to have your Diet and Workouts in check!

All I can say is I need some more! Being Natty this is one of if not the best natty supp I have ever taken.
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Sounds good. Natty Bulking....I like. So for the cutting option on a caloric deficit, is it to hard as Vector increases appetite significantly?
 
Ricky10 said:
It’s not androgenic, it just supports natural test levels. Most natty anabolics can be used during a bulk or cut. Such results will ultimately just depend upon your diet, training, and overall goals at the time.
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Supports natural test levels? You have bloodwork to prove it? If not, be careful about making claims like that. Vector might be anabolic (i.e. supports lean mass growth), but anabolism is not synonymous with higher testosterone levels.
 
GoDeacs said:
I’m not sure about the true shred either
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As subjective as my feedback may be, I ran it and I would have to disagree. Strength, aggression, libido boost, and my overall mood/feeling felt like a for sure test increase. I am just one guy though. But I would for sure run it again, and longer.
 
Joepower said:
As subjective as my feedback may be, I ran it and I would have to disagree. Strength, aggression, libido boost, and my overall mood/feeling felt like a for sure test increase. I am just one guy though. But I would for sure run it again, and longer.
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Fat loss?
 
GoDeacs said:
I’m not sure about the true shred either
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All the ingredients have been studied and you have full disclosure of amounts. It’s a very solid product :)
 
Afi140 said:
All the ingredients have been studied and you have full disclosure of amounts. It’s a very solid product :)
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Agreed with this..

Also check out the logs on it and ask the loggers how their progress is going. They all seem to be getting good results so far.
 
Joepower said:
As subjective as my feedback may be, I ran it and I would have to disagree. Strength, aggression, libido boost, and my overall mood/feeling felt like a for sure test increase. I am just one guy though. But I would for sure run it again, and longer.
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A little more than a quarter into my run and I am seeing the same results so far. Strength and endurance have significantly increased. My mood and libido have been very noticeably improved. I was losing weight then I started FD2 and although I’ve run it before I noticed that I was starting to gain some of the weight back so I have stopped the FD2 for now. Overall very happy with True Shred.
 
sg138769 said:
A little more than a quarter into my run and I am seeing the same results so far. Strength and endurance have significantly increased. My mood and libido have been very noticeably improved. I was losing weight then I started FD2 and although I’ve run it before I noticed that I was starting to gain some of the weight back so I have stopped the FD2 for now. Overall very happy with True Shred.
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Just don’t understand how it would boost libido if there is nothing hormonal about it.
 
GoDeacs said:
Just don’t understand how it would boost libido if there is nothing hormonal about it.
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Porn Boost's my libido and there is nothing hormonal about it.

Maybe "Whore Moaning"
 
SteaknTaters said:
How is this product both a cutter and bulker? Androgenic and anabolic? Just a bit confused.
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This is an interesting question.
LOTS of things are anabolic and androgenic. AAS= anabolic androgenic steroids. BEcause they are both anabolic and androgenic.
Anabolic means, generally speaking that it increases muscle growth, protein synthesis etc.
Androgenic means, generally increases androgenic effects like libido, strength and of course androgenic sides if the androgenic part is high.
Anabolic and androgenic are frequently co existing.

For example testosterone is anabolic and androgenic as are most steroids.
Some things are anabolic and not androgenic.
And some things are androgenic and not anabolic.

How is it a cutter and a bulker?
Within the 3 plant extracts are dozens of chemicals. Each of these has specific effects.
Some of them are really solid muscle mass builders.
Some of them are really solid fat burners.
Some are really solid performance enhancers.

If you took them all apart you would have several different products. But VECTOR has them all together.
So its very versatile.
 
Finally got VECTOR ingredient 3 writeup out.
Check out all 3-
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unitas27 said:
Supports natural test levels? You have bloodwork to prove it? If not, be careful about making claims like that. Vector might be anabolic (i.e. supports lean mass growth), but anabolism is not synonymous with higher testosterone levels.
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I have never used Vector, or any of its individual extracts so I certainly don’t have any bloodwork to prove this. I suspect there may have been some with the beta testers? KME is the extract being proposed to have beneficial effects on the HPTA.

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However, the anabolic benefits of Vector are not proposed to be achieved through hormonal pathways. You may want to read over the ingredient write ups. Or I am sure brundel would be happy to further clarify things for you.
 
Yah test boosting is just a benefit. It is not the way in which Vector builds muscle or burns fat.
It doesnt hurt ;) but we are not relying on this.
What it does mean is you can use Vector during PCT or stacked with test boosters etc etc and that its not suppressive in spite of being really anabolic
 
I have never tried Vector, but everything from brundel I have tried has worked very well, I Trust This Man and His Science !!
 
brundel said:
Yah test boosting is just a benefit. It is not the way in which Vector builds muscle or burns fat.
It doesnt hurt ;) but we are not relying on this.
What it does mean is you can use Vector during PCT or stacked with test boosters etc etc and that its not suppressive in spite of being really anabolic
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All of this = winning. Really can’t wait for this. Running a decent amount of fat burners atm (both stim and non-stim) but probably going to stop and try this as soon as I can.
 
Afi140 said:
All of this = winning. Really can’t wait for this. Running a decent amount of fat burners atm (both stim and non-stim) but probably going to stop and try this as soon as I can.
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Yah one of the great things is because Vector is not a CNS stim you can run it with other fat burners.
In fact you could run fat burners with stims plus Vector, Foll, Exotherm and still not conflict with the stims. Pretty awesome.
Shred city.
 
I guess I need to but Vector on my list of Supplements I need to try !!
 
I think I'm going to grab some of this Vector. I was disappointed with some of the recent "Natty" anabolics from another company but this looks like it's worth a shot.
 
unitas27 said:
I think I'm going to grab some of this Vector. I was disappointed with some of the recent "Natty" anabolics from another company but this looks like it's worth a shot.
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I have never been disappointed with a BLACK LION RESEARCH Product!!
 
Rocket3015 said:
I have never been disappointed with a BLACK LION RESEARCH Product!!
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I hear yah. Some of it looks so basic but they all work. must be the quality of the products he uses. Like Viron. I have used other LJ products with more LJ in it but Viron performs so much better for me.
 
Studhorse said:
I hear yah. Some of it looks so basic but they all work. must be the quality of the products he uses. Like Viron. I have used other LJ products with more LJ in it but Viron performs so much better for me.
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Yah its all about the extract.
We dont use LJ100 and frequently we use extracts that others dont. Or vastly stronger than whats available.
 
Rocket3015 said:
I have never been disappointed with a BLACK LION RESEARCH Product!!
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Agreed. BLR products have gotten me good results I was looking for and based on logs on here they seem to be working for most.
 
Is there a code we need for vector pre sale or is the discount automatic? Also is am5 able to be used aswell
 
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